SHIFTY786 wrote:Yeah exactly and whatever monster I would have searched would have been more than 200atk points. Lol
itsmetristan wrote:Christen57 wrote:itsmetristan wrote:
This special battle phase will NOT occur, because Jowgen is on the field.
I apologize, but Shifty786 would still end up losing because Last Turn doesn't care if the special battle ends up happening or not, only which player has a monster remaining at the end phase, right?
Well if they searched a monster and attacked over Jowgen, they would deal enough damage to reduce the opponent's LP to 0. The judgment is an interesting point. I can't say for sure if this would have changed the outcome, because they may have used the last turn immediately after the first action in the main phase and not waited for a normal.
I'll be investigating further for the stalling issue. Let's drop the topic here.
I'll drop it, but seeing how there's now a risk that a judge could get fired over this misunderstanding, I do feel that this should be cleared up and that we should have all the facts, at least before any further action against this judge or against Shifty786 is taken. It wouldn't feel right to me dropping this just yet when a judge's job is on the line.
While I wasn't entirely correct about how
Last Turn worked, the fact remains that Shifty786 would've still lost, whether or not he would've searched with Sangan's effect and whether or not the special battle phase would've happened. Let me explain.
During Shifty786's standby phase, Shifty786 activates
Mystical Space Typhoon, targeting his opponent's set card.
Said opponent chains
Magic Jammer to negate the Mystical Space Typhoon. They can do this since they have the required card(s) to discard for Magic Jammer's cost.
Afterwards, Shifty786's opponent could simply activate their set
Wall of Revealing Light and pay 7000 life points so that, unless Shifty786 somehow could get out a monster with over 7000 ATK, Shifty786 wouldn't be able to attack Jowgen. The opponent would be able to get away with paying this much since they had 8000 life points, so losing 7000 of it wouldn't be an issue.
Since Shifty786 now has no other spells/effects in his hand he could activate that turn, and wouldn't be able to attack, his only options would be to either normal summon/set something or end his turn. Whichever of these options Shifty786 chose, the opponent would still win.
If Shifty786 normal summons something, his opponent could shut that down with Solemn Judgment. Then, since Shifty786 has no options left, he would have to end his turn. Then, during the end phase, Shifty786's opponent could play Last Turn, get rid of everything except the Jowgen, and then the Jowgen will be the only monster remaining at the end of the turn, so Shifty786 loses due to the opponent being the only one controlling a monster.
If Shifty786 doesn't normal summon and instead just goes straight to the end phase, then, again, Shifty786's opponent could play Last Turn during that end phase, everything goes to the graveyard except for the Jowgen, no monster is special summoned because Jowgen's effect disallows that, no special battle phase happens because there was no special summon, and then because you can't normal summon in the end phase, Shifty786 won't be able to bring any more monsters out, so then the turn would end, and again, Shifty786 would lose due to his opponent being the only one controlling a monster.
If this is all true (how Shifty786's loss was inevitable and that Shifty786 was simply delaying the inevitable), then that would mean that Shifty786 really did maliciously stall, in that judge's eyes at least.