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1.Users
Users are somewhat respectful at times but I have seen that this site promotes toxicity for users to promote. Users rarely ever acknowledge to what they did wrong. At times you can feel uncomfortable talking to people like this. In duels judges don't really do much but the issue that is in the duel judges take long. I will say judges usually have some difficulty resolving the issue but most of the time the issue is not even resolved. Calling judges can take 30 minutes this not only waste the users time but get the angry. Users on DB are pretty toxic and it is difficult trying to deal with this. Overall I don't have a huge problem with users on this site but some.

2. Judges.

I did give some credit to the judges in my previous paragraph but after doing research and experiences. I have some serious issues with judges on this site. They are really bias and most of the times they don't resolve the issue correctly or handle horribly. The judges consistently avoid questions or answers and don't acknowledge the players point and don't give valid responses or they just give response that don't fully reply. The judge lack context as they came right in the duel or don't listen to what the player has to say. The judges are quite uncomfortable to talk to as they always feel they have this sense of superiority over others. You have private messages with them and they are quite rude. This site asks for respect but how can respe t if there is no respect between users and players. As long as everyone get a long with each other and judges don't ignore what another user is saying this site would not have so many issues. One more thing is how judges are inactive this gives the opportunity for trolls to get wins illegitimately or get rating easily. I assume that DB prefer not to give volunteers schedules as they are volunteering but from what I have read and researched they are many volunteers who have schedules so this is not a good enough reason. The purpose of volunteering offers the chance to give something back to the community or make a difference to the people around them. For others it provides an opportunity to develop new skills or build on existing experience and knowledge. Most of these are 25+ years of age but if you can not be active consistently you should not volunteering judges need to be more active. Plus the judges take no accountability for their mistakes whatsoever but they players to take accountability for a player mistake. It has to be fair.

3. Rules
The rules are extremely inconsistent. The ban/freeze changes constantly with no explanation. For example, if AFK you can get frozen for 3 days but if you do it again you can get frozen for 6 days so what was the point in putting in the rules 3 days for AFK? This constant rule changing is what makes users angry and fed up with this site except sticking with what you have said. If DB are going to change the rules consistently then there is clearly no point in having rules. I suggest you get rid of time length altogether on the rules say "the more strikes you get the longer your ban/ freeze length.

4.Dueling Book as a whole
My issues with DB that it is vey slow in duels. Db attempts at replicating in real life duels but this game is extremely flawed. Db is slow it can take up to 60 minutes to just finish one duel. The judges can take 30 minutes to come. When speaking to users a lot time they pressure to ake your next move when you are thinking this can make the opponent angry and result in both player being toxic. My biggest issue though that DB is very slow.



4.The Downfall I believe these reasons will result in the downfall of DB my research has brought me to this conclusion. Perhaps these issues will be fixed but I doubt it.

*Makes bunch of random claims with no proof*
*Follows it up with evidence they don't know the rules*

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3. Rules
The rules are extremely inconsistent. The ban/freeze changes constantly with no explanation. For example, if AFK you can get frozen for 3 days but if you do it again you can get frozen for 6 days so what was the point in putting in the rules 3 days for AFK? This constant rule changing is what makes users angry and fed up with this site except sticking with what you have said. If DB are going to change the rules consistently then there is clearly no point in having rules. I suggest you get rid of time length altogether on the rules say "the more strikes you get the longer your ban/ freeze length. [/quote:331ftqj3]

https://www.duelingbook.com/rules Here is a secret document that goes over the rules of DB. They put it on the front page, in green saying rules. Within this document contains the secrets of how the strike count relates to the freeze length, in the fourth bulleted option at the top.

Frozen status is calculated by the listed amount of days, multiplied by the number of strikes that user has accumulated.

For those versed in the advanced mathematics of multiplication, a pattern emerges. When the strike count increases, somehow the multiplication results in the number getting bigger! I'll take a wild guess that the third time you get frozen, if it was for mal AFK, that somehow it will be for 9 days! Should you have the ability to multiple 3 by 3, you too can deduce this!

Duelingbook has problems, but at the rate your research is going, you're never going to figure them out.

Oh time to rip Ingeneiro a new asshole again. (viewtopic.php?f=21&t=16070&start=100 GenexWrecker confirms Sound4 is Ingeneiro in this thread).

"Users are somewhat respectful at times but I have seen that this site promotes toxicity for users to promote. Users rarely ever acknowledge to what they did wrong."

Meanwhile, you refused to admit what you did was wrong in that duel here: https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=454834-29350296 especially when you know damn well you were stalling your opponent deliberately for over a half hour...Which is frankly, really toxic of you.

"They are really bias and most of the times they don't resolve the issue correctly or handle horribly."

You only provided 1 replay in which all 3 judges screwed up (in my opinion) which was 2 weeks after proof was asked for in the thread by Christen57. Which shows that they aren't as bias or resolve issues incorrectly as you make it out to be. Especially since you didn't have proof prior, and that isn't getting into the fact it took you 2 WEEKS to get ANY proof.

"The judges are quite uncomfortable to talk to as they always feel they have this sense of superiority over others. You have private messages with them and they are quite rude. " This is all your opinion.

"This site asks for respect but how can respe t if there is no respect between users and players. " Respect is earned, not a right first off, second of all just don't be an ass and you won't have any issues. Like you were in that replay I linked.

"As long as everyone get a long with each other and judges don't ignore what another user is saying this site would not have so many issues." You literally created the situation in which you were in a duel for over 80 minutes...You don't have a right to complain about this.

"One more thing is how judges are inactive this gives the opportunity for trolls to get wins illegitimately or get rating easily." You mean just like how you won your duel illegitimately in the replay I provided?

"Most of these are 25+ years of age but if you can not be active consistently you should not volunteering judges need to be more active." As much as I want to rail on you for this, I actually do wish judges were active more. Or even just have a schedule, but then again I won't rehash that as GenexWrecker knows my arguments regarding this issue.

"Plus the judges take no accountability for their mistakes whatsoever but they players to take accountability for a player mistake." Sorry, you have 0 proof of this claim. So I'm more likely to believe you are making shit up.

"The rules are extremely inconsistent." No they're not. The rules that are listed are a general guideline. When something hits a grey area, admins react accordingly. Just because a specific rule isn't listed, doesn't mean it is part of the ruleset, otherwise you'd have a giant list of rules and no one reads through that shit.

" This constant rule changing is what makes users angry and fed up with this site except sticking with what you have said" You have no idea what you're talking about here. Here's the thing, go read on how punishments are given here: https://www.duelingbook.com/rules then look at the 4th bullet.

"I suggest you get rid of time length altogether on the rules say "the more strikes you get the longer your ban/ freeze length." They already do, which I addressed above...Just shows you did 0 research...

"My issues with DB that it is vey slow in duels." Didn't I just go over this? In the replay provided, YOU CHOSE to make a duel that shouldn't had lasted for more than 20 minutes to go to 80+ minutes.

I’ll have to admit that this thread picked my interest, so let me leave my opinions and thoughts, about the 5 points made here.

1) The site by no means promotes toxicity, there are punishments about toxic behavior (those punishments are stated in the rules). Only a minority of the player base is actually disrespectful and while you may actually get paired against such an individual, most of your time here will be devoid of such an occurrence. However if you do end up meeting them, you should call a judge if you are playing rated, while progressing the game state (or just quit if playing unrated) and if a judge doesn’t end up handling the issue, you should report them in the forums in the following link providing a link to that replay and action will be taken against them ( posting.php?mode=post&f=7 )

2) Two points were made about judges, the first being about them not acting properly. That is not the case since judges on this site act professionally. What you are describing there is probably one of your own experiences where you believe you have been mistreated by a judge (if that is the case you should report them with the appropriate evidence in the link given above, if they have indeed acted in a wrong way, action against them will be taken). The second point made was about fact that there won’t always be a judge online to take your call. The reason for that is that there are few who volunteer to be a judge on db that actually have the right qualifications for that. To add to that, you propose that, I quote “if you can not be active consistently you should not volunteering judges need to be more active.”. If people that couldn’t always be activate didn’t volunteer for this position then there would be even less judges online to take your call, meaning more waiting time for a judge. The advice I can offer here is what I personally do and I have to say it works. Always communicate with your opponent, the majority of judge calls that take a long time to solve stem from miscommunication.

3) This should be covered in the first few lines here: https://www.duelingbook.com/rules

4) Duel in DB and in real life do take a lot of time sometimes, that is something that can happen in this game. However the average amount of time it takes for a judge to take/handle your call is far less than the mentioned 30 minutes.

5) The downfall: Regardless if the aforementioned are true or not, DB doesn’t seem to be in decline, I would say that in fact the opposite could be said here, the average player number is above what it was a year ago. Even if the whole pandemic helped boost the player base number, those players won’t just abandon the site when it is over. The downfall of DB may come on day, but it won’t be anytime soon.
(Also I would like to see the research you mentioned about this whole thing, what is the proof that the site is in decline or in a highway towards it’s impending doom?)

I am aware that there are others that responding before me leaving their own thoughts and criticism in the thread but wanted to leave mine as well.

Don’t know what to write as closure to this whole thing, so I’ll just wish you have a nice day/night.

Well, now they're ban evading

I think you are mixing moonsamurai and Ingeniero mixed up. (unless Ingeniero was also banned)

1.) The userbase itself is very healthy and a good representation of the yugioh community as a whole. While yes there are very toxic users that are just around to troll we dont do anything because they cause 0 harm if people just ignore them. We have given users the tools to deal with all trolls themselves. The problem is people dont ignore the trolls then take offense when they are baited into their toxic regime and the judge wont do anything about it. Most judge calls take 2 minutes to resolve. It is when cases especially like yours where you stalled the game where they might take longer due to needing to investigate the entire gamestate leading up to that moment and possibly appeals.

2.) These are simply your opinions and frankly your opinions hold very little value in this discussion considering you are constantly breaking the terms of service and very blatantly might I add. Any judges who act with bias are promptly removed from the judge team. We removed a few judges that had acted this way since we started hiring. There is always a bad apple in a batch of good ones but 99 times out of 100 the judges are acting accordingly or to the best of their ability. We are taking calls when available this entire site is run by volunteers none of us get paid and even the owner of the site itself rarely is able to be active and provide work on it along with head administrators The resource judges which are green are the most available staff and the easiest to approach and contact. If you do not like a free service you pay nothing for that we provide out of the good of our hearts you are not required to use it as is with any product or service you would use irl. As for judges not being approachable many of them are and in fact we encourage you to approach us with anything appropriate. I myself have made massive efforts over the years to communicate with the userbase the most while in judge mode and just have fun and a good time with the users. I'll even play along with users in unrated if the calls are taken care of and they have invited me.

3.) The rules are actually extremely consistant. Yes the rules can change at anytime but that is also disclosed in our terms of service and it is your responsibility to stay up to date. Similarly to laws they can change at a moments notice without your knowledge and it is your responsibility to know the laws and to follow them. As for the length being inconsistant that is also not true as you have not read the rules page many have provided above or you just did not piece the 2 together. Freezes are equal to the length given multiplied by the number of repeat offenses(strikes). This is to deter repeat behavior as consistantly breaking our terms of service can lead to weeks sometimes months of being removed from the site. as for when we apply penalties that is entirely up to the judge in the game. Our goal is to resolve a situation. If a situation can be resolved without freezing even if We "could" apply the penalty then you shouldnt freeze and that would be the best resolution.

4.) Yugioh is a slow/fast paced game. The plays are fast but turns can last 10-20 minutes and that is very normal both on db and irl.

5.) Db is not in any sort of downfall I dont know if you look at numbers or statistics but our userbase has skyrocketed over the past 3 years. When I started as staff here we had no judge exam and did not hire judges the judges were merely recruited by the owner. The userbase barely got to 6 or 700 every day. overtime the users approached 800 and 900 at a time and then we conistantly broke 1000 in 2019 in 2020 we were always able to get around 11-1300 users online at once and now we currently are usually at around 1200-1700 users at any given time except late in the night central standard time. Db is thriving and more people are getting into the game than ever before.

I'm not sure what drove you to post this but your views are very skewed as you only have negative experiences on duelingbook because you keep breaking the rules or are constantly very disrespectful to users on the site resulting in them not treating you with respect or trolling you.

I don't see a downfall.
This is just negativity bias and hyperbole.

Genexwrecker I am going to be honest with you this reply is not good and can get debunked easily. Also I am not igneiro alt account this is an alt account but not for igneiro.

1.I clearly said that users are somewhat respectful but this site promotes toxicity. I am not talking about the yugioh community just DB. I don't know what tools you are talking about but trolling has not got any better from the start of dB it is still alive and well. I don't know you know how difficult to ignore trolls especially on rated and judges are not active. Users are competive and trying to get to get better but with trolls this results in the opponent also get angry and frustrated. Plus the fact you said troll cause 0 harm it damages the sites reputation.

2) Where is your proof of judges being fired for being bias? Here is a n example of judge not handling the duel correctly and being bias and awful.
https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event= ... 0W1MN-4WJ0
You asked proof here it is
I understand this site is being run by volunteers but that is not a good enough excuse. Whether you are getting paid or not you need to put 100% effort to make this site running and a great experience. They need active as possible this is not difficult to understand. Yes judges ask them if you help with a problem in the game but from what I have from the forums they don't listen to what you say or give bad responses. You know there is a reason why people complain about how the responses are not to justify a punishment of some sort.

3. The rules are inconsistent you even admit that they can change. Also you said that they can change this is disclosed in Terms of service no users have access to that. The rules are the best source we can refer to but if you change the rules then there is clearly no point in having rules. The law comparison is not at least they say publicly that the law has changed but you staff don't you change stuff without notice. I will say that my point on ban/freezes was not the best I will credit you there Genexwrecker. Let me reword what I meant is that some of sense are worse than others but the less worse offense gets penalised more. How is that fair?

4. You don't really answer what I said here. Yugioh at most take 13 minutes per round look on google and yu gi oh site. A game (or “Duel”) takes around 10 minutes to complete, making it a fast and enjoyable experience for players of all ages and skill levels. With Skill Cards putting players in the shoes of their favourite Yu-Gi-Oh!29. You are not only wrong but you also lied.

5. My proof on why I believe this believe the downfall of https://www.reddit.com/r/yugioh/comment ... t_popular/
Also there are two specific reasons why people play this game. One is this game is very easy to troll and the pandemic so more people playing as they are at home.

I provided proof this time on my claims.

Renji Asuka I am going to be honest with you this reply is not good and can get debunked easily. Also I am not igneiro alt account this is an alt account but not for igneiro.

1.I clearly said that users are somewhat respectful but this site promotes toxicity. I am not talking about the yugioh community just DB. I don't know what tools you are talking about but trolling has not got any better from the start of dB it is still alive and well. I don't know you know how difficult to ignore trolls especially on rated and judges are not active. Users are competive and trying to get to get better but with trolls this results in the opponent also get angry and frustrated. Plus the fact you said troll cause 0 harm it damages the sites reputation.

2) Where is your proof of judges being fired for being bias? Here is a n example of judge not handling the duel correctly and being bias and awful.
https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event= ... 0W1MN-4WJ0
You asked proof here it is
I understand this site is being run by volunteers but that is not a good enough excuse. Whether you are getting paid or not you need to put 100% effort to make this site running and a great experience. They need active as possible this is not difficult to understand. Yes judges ask them if you help with a problem in the game but from what I have from the forums they don't listen to what you say or give bad responses. You know there is a reason why people complain about how the responses are not to justify a punishment of some sort.

3. The rules are inconsistent you even admit that they can change. Also you said that they can change this is disclosed in Terms of service no users have access to that. The rules are the best source we can refer to but if you change the rules then there is clearly no point in having rules. The law comparison is not at least they say publicly that the law has changed but you staff don't you change stuff without notice. I will say that my point on ban/freezes was not the best I will credit you there Genexwrecker. Let me reword what I meant is that some of sense are worse than others but the less worse offense gets penalised more. How is that fair?

4. You don't really answer what I said here. Yugioh at most take 13 minutes per round look on google and yu gi oh site. A game (or “Duel”) takes around 10 minutes to complete, making it a fast and enjoyable experience for players of all ages and skill levels. With Skill Cards putting players in the shoes of their favourite Yu-Gi-Oh!29. You are not only wrong but you also lied.

5. My proof on why I believe this believe the downfall of dbdbhttps://www.reddit.com/r/yugioh/com ... t_popular/
Also there are two specific reasons why people play this game. One is this game is very easy to troll and the pandemic so more people playing as they are at home.

I provided proof this time on my claims.
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[quote="Sound4":mkhhxd72]I am not igneiro alt account this is an alt account but not for igneiro.[/quote:mkhhxd72]
Mods already said that your account and ingeniero's are joined together.

Lull Odman how seriously this is not igneiro alt account I only replied to igneiro because I watch farfa from time to time and I know he cheats. Also Genexwrecker provided no proof of what he was saying.

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5. My proof on why I believe this believe the downfall of dbdbhttps://www.reddit.com/r/yugioh/com ... t_popular/
Also there are two specific reasons why people play this game. One is this game is very easy to troll and the pandemic so more people playing as they are at home.

Quick Reply[/quote:mk5h89os]
I called it! You ARE a redditor! While I'm not at all surprised that you lied, I am still disappointed that you weren't honest with me. Also, the links are broken, you need to fix that.

I'm not going to dox your info to prove anything dude.
and you have no need to know which judges were removed for being biased that is none of your concern You have been informed judges are fired for inappropriate behavior and have been fired. stop demanding sacrifices on a silver platter to make an example out of them.
You also need to stop treating us like a business. We provide the website for fun. The owner provides it for fun. We are not trying to run a company here stop trying to treat it like we have quotas to meet.


You yourself clearly hate the site so if it is something you do not find fun you are free to not use it.

Genexwrecker you say that it is none of my business but why mention it in the first place? I am asking for proof so your claim can be proven. You are not acknowledging any of my points and taking no accountability whatsoever. When did ever treat like a business? I clearly said that whether you are paid or not it is essential to put 100% effort if you think I am lying go on google and see for yourself. What is your problem writing something out of nowhere except trying to be respectful about. I never expected staff to be this rude. I never said I hate the site I said it has its flaws and provided and reasons why I came to this conclusions. I came to this conclusion from research which you also ignored.

Have a nice day.

[quote="Sound4":3caic77a]Genexwrecker you say that it is none of my business but why mention it in the first place? I am asking for proof so your claim can be proven. You are not acknowledging any of my points and taking no accountability whatsoever. When did ever treat like a business? I clearly said that whether you are paid or not it is essential to put 100% effort if you think I am lying go on google and see for yourself. What is your problem writing something out of nowhere except trying to be respectful about. I never expected staff to be this rude. I never said I hate the site I said it has its flaws and provided and reasons why I came to this conclusions. I came to this conclusion from research which you also ignored.

Have a nice day.[/quote:3caic77a]

Wait what else needs to be proven?

and we put 100% of our effort into the site. Very disrespectful of you to say we arent

OP got wrecked so hard by me they can't even reply to it, lel.

It should be telling their description of their own replies are "I am going to be honest with you this reply is not good and can get debunked easily." They post links that don't work and dodge things too difficult for them to reply to. Their replies are low quality garbage and their research varies from nonexistent to incompetent.

Perhaps one day someone will make a thread about the actual problems of Duelingbook, but it one failed spectacularly. It completely avoided the actual problems, instead choosing to post meaningless garbage. If anything the only thing it managed to succeed it was highlighting some of the strong suits of the site.

im to lazy to read all of this only the first few comments and the first post most of this is just rambling honestly now i think the rules should be a bit tight because I've seen judges react differently to similar situations but yea different people but rules are rules plus i don't know the strikes on the account and people should be told of what they did to properly defend themself if they got punished unfairly and the only sense of superiority i got was from darkpheonix

oh yea my biggest gripe with this site is trolls in unrated so your pretty much forced to quit the duel and feed their ego and shit

[quote="Sound4":2v282zf9]Genexwrecker I am going to be honest with you this reply is not good and can get debunked easily. Also I am not igneiro alt account this is an alt account but not for igneiro.

1.I clearly said that users are somewhat respectful but this site promotes toxicity. I am not talking about the yugioh community just DB. I don't know what tools you are talking about but trolling has not got any better from the start of dB it is still alive and well. I don't know you know how difficult to ignore trolls especially on rated and judges are not active. Users are competive and trying to get to get better but with trolls this results in the opponent also get angry and frustrated. Plus the fact you said troll cause 0 harm it damages the sites reputation.

2) Where is your proof of judges being fired for being bias? Here is a n example of judge not handling the duel correctly and being bias and awful.
https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event= ... 0W1MN-4WJ0
You asked proof here it is
I understand this site is being run by volunteers but that is not a good enough excuse. Whether you are getting paid or not you need to put 100% effort to make this site running and a great experience. They need active as possible this is not difficult to understand. Yes judges ask them if you help with a problem in the game but from what I have from the forums they don't listen to what you say or give bad responses. You know there is a reason why people complain about how the responses are not to justify a punishment of some sort.

3. The rules are inconsistent you even admit that they can change. Also you said that they can change this is disclosed in Terms of service no users have access to that. The rules are the best source we can refer to but if you change the rules then there is clearly no point in having rules. The law comparison is not at least they say publicly that the law has changed but you staff don't you change stuff without notice. I will say that my point on ban/freezes was not the best I will credit you there Genexwrecker. Let me reword what I meant is that some of sense are worse than others but the less worse offense gets penalised more. How is that fair?

4. You don't really answer what I said here. Yugioh at most take 13 minutes per round look on google and yu gi oh site. A game (or “Duel”) takes around 10 minutes to complete, making it a fast and enjoyable experience for players of all ages and skill levels. With Skill Cards putting players in the shoes of their favourite Yu-Gi-Oh!29. You are not only wrong but you also lied.

5. My proof on why I believe this believe the downfall of dbdbhttps://www.reddit.com/r/yugioh/com ... t_popular/
Also there are two specific reasons why people play this game. One is this game is very easy to troll and the pandemic so more people playing as they are at home.

I provided proof this time on my claims.[/quote:2v282zf9]
WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH
A game (or “Duel”) takes around 10 minutes to complete, making it a fast and enjoyable experience for players of all ages and skill levels. With Skill Cards putting players in the shoes of their favourite Yu-Gi-Oh!29. You are not only wrong but you also lied.
where the fuck did you get that quote we don't have skill cards and ten min is fucking retarded you looked at info on speed duels dipshit

[quote="Genexwrecker":2r0pvkgh]and we put 100% of our effort into the site. Very disrespectful of you to say we arent[/quote:2r0pvkgh]
dbycs6? team wars? lives that arent cringe? new formats?

10/10 efforts very op

@PENMASTER look on google and yugioh sites I am not talking about speed duels. I am talking about regular duels. I am not even lying look yourself. I don't know why you are throwing insults.

[quote="Sound4":cj3c5evc]@PENMASTER look on google and yugioh sites I am not talking about speed duels. I am talking about regular duels. I am not even lying look yourself. I don't know why you are throwing insults.[/quote:cj3c5evc]
So you have no sources of evidence. The burden of proof is on you.

[quote="Genexwrecker":bt51pxsn]and we put 100% of our effort into the site. Very disrespectful of you to say we arent[/quote:bt51pxsn]
Is that so? Interesting

[quote="Renji Asuka":1gzzza0q][quote="Sound4":1gzzza0q]@PENMASTER look on google and yugioh sites I am not talking about speed duels. I am talking about regular duels. I am not even lying look yourself. I don't know why you are throwing insults.[/quote:1gzzza0q]
So you have no sources of evidence. The burden of proof is on you.[/quote:1gzzza0q]
I provided proof the quote.

[quote="Sound4":2p70dmac][quote="Renji Asuka":2p70dmac][quote="Sound4":2p70dmac]@PENMASTER look on google and yugioh sites I am not talking about speed duels. I am talking about regular duels. I am not even lying look yourself. I don't know why you are throwing insults.[/quote:2p70dmac]
So you have no sources of evidence. The burden of proof is on you.[/quote:2p70dmac]
I provided proof the quote.[/quote:2p70dmac]
If you did, you would had provided websites, you didn't. Stop claiming you provided proof when you haven't. All you did was claim.

[quote="Renji Asuka":29uwi1ke][quote="Sound4":29uwi1ke][quote="Renji Asuka":29uwi1ke]
So you have no sources of evidence. The burden of proof is on you.[/quote:29uwi1ke]
I provided proof the quote.[/quote:29uwi1ke]
If you did, you would had provided websites, you didn't. Stop claiming you provided proof when you haven't. All you did was claim.[/quote:29uwi1ke]
Litterally type"how long does a yugioh duel take? " I can't provide the link as there is no option for a link unless you go on the website. Also more proof is In official tournaments, the rulings indicate that rounds have a 40 minutes duration. Each round is played in a best-of-three Duels, meaning that you have about 10-13 minutes per game.

[quote="Sound4":2ggn676d][quote="Renji Asuka":2ggn676d][quote="Sound4":2ggn676d]
I provided proof the quote.[/quote:2ggn676d]
If you did, you would had provided websites, you didn't. Stop claiming you provided proof when you haven't. All you did was claim.[/quote:2ggn676d]
Litterally type"how long does a yugioh duel take? " I can't provide the link as there is no option for a link unless you go on the website. Also more proof is In official tournaments, the rulings indicate that rounds have a 40 minutes duration. Each round is played in a best-of-three Duels, meaning that you have about 10-13 minutes per game.[/quote:2ggn676d]

Very helpful

[quote="Sound4":2e8p9goh][quote="Renji Asuka":2e8p9goh][quote="Sound4":2e8p9goh]
I provided proof the quote.[/quote:2e8p9goh]
If you did, you would had provided websites, you didn't. Stop claiming you provided proof when you haven't. All you did was claim.[/quote:2e8p9goh]
Litterally type"how long does a yugioh duel take? " I can't provide the link as there is no option for a link unless you go on the website. Also more proof is In official tournaments, the rulings indicate that rounds have a 40 minutes duration. Each round is played in a best-of-three Duels, meaning that you have about 10-13 minutes per game.[/quote:2e8p9goh]
As shown by greg, just saying to "Google it" isn't providing any source. But hey, glad to know you have no source for your claim, which can be safely assumed that you're lying.

[quote="Sound4":elyjvc7z][quote="Renji Asuka":elyjvc7z][quote="Sound4":elyjvc7z]
I provided proof the quote.[/quote:elyjvc7z]
If you did, you would had provided websites, you didn't. Stop claiming you provided proof when you haven't. All you did was claim.[/quote:elyjvc7z]
Litterally type"how long does a yugioh duel take? " I can't provide the link as there is no option for a link unless you go on the website. Also more proof is In official tournaments, the rulings indicate that rounds have a 40 minutes duration. Each round is played in a best-of-three Duels, meaning that you have about 10-13 minutes per game.[/quote:elyjvc7z]

You use the [url] tag to link stuff.

[quote="Sound4":2eszdprc]@PENMASTER look on google and yugioh sites I am not talking about speed duels. I am talking about regular duels. I am not even lying look yourself. I don't know why you are throwing insults.[/quote:2eszdprc]
if you were talking about normal duels there wouldn't be the character skill thing that's only in duel links or speed duels dude your just copy-pasting off google bro and games can take however long there really isn't an average these days with 30 min combos and control taking 30 min to kill

[quote="PENMASTER":y9q7ptuf][quote="Sound4":y9q7ptuf]@PENMASTER look on google and yugioh sites I am not talking about speed duels. I am talking about regular duels. I am not even lying look yourself. I don't know why you are throwing insults.[/quote:y9q7ptuf]
if you were talking about normal duels there wouldn't be the character skill thing that's only in duel links or speed duels dude your just copy-pasting off google bro and games can take however long there really isn't an average these days with 30 min combos and control taking 30 min to kill[/quote:y9q7ptuf]
Like I said earlier this was from Google and provided more evidence in my later posts. Also duels should take no more than 15 minutes but one diel can take up 40 minutes to add on that people are wasting time calling over nothing.

[quote="Sound4":35lm9a6k][quote="PENMASTER":35lm9a6k][quote="Sound4":35lm9a6k]@PENMASTER look on google and yugioh sites I am not talking about speed duels. I am talking about regular duels. I am not even lying look yourself. I don't know why you are throwing insults.[/quote:35lm9a6k]
if you were talking about normal duels there wouldn't be the character skill thing that's only in duel links or speed duels dude your just copy-pasting off google bro and games can take however long there really isn't an average these days with 30 min combos and control taking 30 min to kill[/quote:35lm9a6k]
Like I said earlier this was from Google and provided more evidence in my later posts. Also duels should take no more than 15 minutes but one diel can take up 40 minutes to add on that people are wasting time calling over nothing.[/quote:35lm9a6k]
Use the [url] tag so we can see where you got this bad take from

[quote="Sound4":xjjjwbr6]
provided more evidence in my later posts. [/quote:xjjjwbr6]

I know I'm not the only person to point this out, but the links you provided in your previous replies are STILL BROKEN after all this time. And no, "just google it yourself" is not an appropriate response. That just shows that you're too lazy to actually cite and proofread your own posts/source.

[quote="Sound4":18xzyvrr][quote="PENMASTER":18xzyvrr][quote="Sound4":18xzyvrr]@PENMASTER look on google and yugioh sites I am not talking about speed duels. I am talking about regular duels. I am not even lying look yourself. I don't know why you are throwing insults.[/quote:18xzyvrr]
if you were talking about normal duels there wouldn't be the character skill thing that's only in duel links or speed duels dude your just copy-pasting off google bro and games can take however long there really isn't an average these days with 30 min combos and control taking 30 min to kill[/quote:18xzyvrr]
Like I said earlier this was from Google and provided more evidence in my later posts. Also duels should take no more than 15 minutes but one diel can take up 40 minutes to add on that people are wasting time calling over nothing.[/quote:18xzyvrr]
you have no proof dude you posted a google search that is as good an anti vaxxers proof duels have no real defined time and in a tournament setting its always under 40 min plus the character skill quote removes any care i give about what your "proof" is given you post something as stupid as that and not even reading it

[quote="troglyte":2t1np73b][quote="Sound4":2t1np73b]
provided more evidence in my later posts. [/quote:2t1np73b]

I know I'm not the only person to point this out, but the links you provided in your previous replies are STILL BROKEN after all this time. And no, "just google it yourself" is not an appropriate response. That just shows that you're too lazy to actually cite and proofread your own posts/source.[/quote:2t1np73b]
I have fixed the links I don't know why they were not working before.

[quote="PENMASTER":z9fwq335][quote="Sound4":z9fwq335][quote="PENMASTER":z9fwq335]
if you were talking about normal duels there wouldn't be the character skill thing that's only in duel links or speed duels dude your just copy-pasting off google bro and games can take however long there really isn't an average these days with 30 min combos and control taking 30 min to kill[/quote:z9fwq335]
Like I said earlier this was from Google and provided more evidence in my later posts. Also duels should take no more than 15 minutes but one diel can take up 40 minutes to add on that people are wasting time calling over nothing.[/quote:z9fwq335]
you have no proof dude you posted a google search that is as good an anti vaxxers proof duels have no real defined time and in a tournament setting its always under 40 min plus the character skill quote removes any care i give about what your "proof" is given you post something as stupid as that and not even reading it[/quote:z9fwq335]
I see maybe you can reconsider

[quote="greg503":s5gdzp2a][quote="Sound4":s5gdzp2a][quote="Renji Asuka":s5gdzp2a]
If you did, you would had provided websites, you didn't. Stop claiming you provided proof when you haven't. All you did was claim.[/quote:s5gdzp2a]
Litterally type"how long does a yugioh duel take? " I can't provide the link as there is no option for a link unless you go on the website. Also more proof is In official tournaments, the rulings indicate that rounds have a 40 minutes duration. Each round is played in a best-of-three Duels, meaning that you have about 10-13 minutes per game.[/quote:s5gdzp2a]

Very helpful[/quote:s5gdzp2a]
Without the question mark

[quote="Sound4":1l0hta8g][quote="PENMASTER":1l0hta8g][quote="Sound4":1l0hta8g]
Like I said earlier this was from Google and provided more evidence in my later posts. Also duels should take no more than 15 minutes but one diel can take up 40 minutes to add on that people are wasting time calling over nothing.[/quote:1l0hta8g]
you have no proof dude you posted a google search that is as good an anti vaxxers proof duels have no real defined time and in a tournament setting its always under 40 min plus the character skill quote removes any care i give about what your "proof" is given you post something as stupid as that and not even reading it[/quote:1l0hta8g]
I see maybe you can reconsider[/quote:1l0hta8g]
looking at the links there isn't any proof present for the claim about duel length and the character skill thing and the reddit and replay you had linked just show people bitching and a toxic duel i mean its part of db its fucking humanity dude plus have you ever heard of a negativity bias and the loud minority which this seems to be a case of in the terms of people bitching on reddit of all things we all hate toxic people and the things they talked about are a problem but it isn't a big one by any means also the reddit thing was from 2 years ago btw its a bit aged

I am literally a brand new player created this account to practice for my regional a year ago which sadly got cancelled due to carona, and what this player is saying about your platform is true, in my first 2 days playing ranked I have experienced 2 players trying to take advantage of the fact I am newer by 1; not calling chains and eff, or 2; advancing the game state without allowing me a chance to respond. The first time the judge was great came in read everything and determined the player was SHARKING me whatever that means, and so day 2 i play another duel and notice this drytron player was doing the same thing, so after he gets aggressive with me in the chat after i drop an effect veiler that he switched his chain links so he can avoid it (because thats not cheating or anything) I get a judge to finally come in after the match is over and i'm at 0 LP ( BECAUSE THE JUDGE THJE DAY BEFORE SAID YOU CANNOT PAUSE PLAY TO WAIT FOR A JUDGE YOU HAVE TO FINSIH THE DUEL AND WAIT FOR A RULING) So i did, I told the other player that i believe he cheated, that he was being aggressive over the game he won (like just a behavioral note he wouldn't be getting so mad if he did nothing wrong he knew he fucked up and didn't want me to get a judge before he got his W in case the gave him a loss for cheating.) Then as soon as the judge gets in its like a political warfare like why the fuck can't the judge just read the LOG and make a determination. I STREAMED ALL OF THE DUELS AND THEN WHEN THE JUDGE FINALLY COMES IN AND MAKES A DECISION, I GOT A BAN FOR STALLING WHEN THE MATCH WAS OVER I JUST WANTED A JUDGE TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW THIS PLAYER TOOK ADVANTAGE OF SOMEONE ON THEIR 16th DUEL USING THE PLATFORM, THE PLAYER I PLAYED AGAINST HAD CLOSE TO 1000, AND I WILL LEAVE YOU WITH THIS!!!

THE DOWNFALL OF ANY HOBBY IS WHEN THE VETERANS DO NOT EMBRACE THE NEWBIES, IF YOU WANT ALL THE NEWER PLAYERS TO GET ALIENATED FROM THE GAME, THEN KEEP THINKING THAT PERSONAL CONDUCT WITH-IN THE DUELS IS LESS IMPORTANT THAN THE DUEL ITSELF BECAUSE IN A TOURNAMENT AND MOST IMPORTANTLY IN LIFE YOU CAN BE THE GREATEST OUT THERE BUT ALL IT TAKES IS ONE QUOTE OF SOME DUMB SHIT YOU SAID THAT CAN KILL A CAREER OR OTHERWISE GET THEM CANCELLED.

[quote="supasp":10ardcm1]I am literally a brand new player created this account to practice for my regional a year ago which sadly got cancelled due to carona, and what this player is saying about your platform is true, in my first 2 days playing ranked I have experienced 2 players trying to take advantage of the fact I am newer by 1; not calling chains and eff, or 2; advancing the game state without allowing me a chance to respond. The first time the judge was great came in read everything and determined the player was SHARKING me whatever that means, and so day 2 i play another duel and notice this drytron player was doing the same thing, so after he gets aggressive with me in the chat after i drop an effect veiler that he switched his chain links so he can avoid it (because thats not cheating or anything) I get a judge to finally come in after the match is over and i'm at 0 LP ( BECAUSE THE JUDGE THJE DAY BEFORE SAID YOU CANNOT PAUSE PLAY TO WAIT FOR A JUDGE YOU HAVE TO FINSIH THE DUEL AND WAIT FOR A RULING) So i did, I told the other player that i believe he cheated, that he was being aggressive over the game he won (like just a behavioral note he wouldn't be getting so mad if he did nothing wrong he knew he fucked up and didn't want me to get a judge before he got his W in case the gave him a loss for cheating.) Then as soon as the judge gets in its like a political warfare like why the fuck can't the judge just read the LOG and make a determination. I STREAMED ALL OF THE DUELS AND THEN WHEN THE JUDGE FINALLY COMES IN AND MAKES A DECISION, I GOT A BAN FOR STALLING WHEN THE MATCH WAS OVER I JUST WANTED A JUDGE TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW THIS PLAYER TOOK ADVANTAGE OF SOMEONE ON THEIR 16th DUEL USING THE PLATFORM, THE PLAYER I PLAYED AGAINST HAD CLOSE TO 1000, AND I WILL LEAVE YOU WITH THIS!!!

THE DOWNFALL OF ANY HOBBY IS WHEN THE VETERANS DO NOT EMBRACE THE NEWBIES, IF YOU WANT ALL THE NEWER PLAYERS TO GET ALIENATED FROM THE GAME, THEN KEEP THINKING THAT PERSONAL CONDUCT WITH-IN THE DUELS IS LESS IMPORTANT THAN THE DUEL ITSELF BECAUSE IN A TOURNAMENT AND MOST IMPORTANTLY IN LIFE YOU CAN BE THE GREATEST OUT THERE BUT ALL IT TAKES IS ONE QUOTE OF SOME DUMB SHIT YOU SAID THAT CAN KILL A CAREER OR OTHERWISE GET THEM CANCELLED.[/quote:10ardcm1]
https://imgur.com/uLkoyxX
https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=30070149
you were actually responding and okaying all of their effects and then you decided only at the moment where your herald of ultimateness got shuffled into the deck by knightmare unicorn that you were going to stall the game when you clearly lost and only had area zero on the field and multirole in hand. that unicorn had 2200 atk and you had 1700 life points. you were not treated unfairly you stalled when you lost.

LMFAOOOO SO EXPLAIN TO ME FROM THE START OF THAT DUEL WHERE I WAS EVEN GIVEN RESPONSE TIME OR ALLOWED TO CONTEST HIS # ACTIVATIONS THROUGH THE LAG AND MOST IMPORTANTLY AFTER HE's ALLREADY SHUFFLED HIS HAND AFTER ADDING ZETA??????????????
like LOOK AT THE LOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WANTED A JUDGE PLAYED THE MATCH OUT TO 0LP AND WAITED FOR A RULING, HOW THE FUCK IS WAITING FOR A RULING STALLING AND SLOW PLAY FOR A GAME THAT IS ALLREADY OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS LITTERALLY MAKING NO SENSE TO ME THAT I GOT PUNISHED FOR FUCKING NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://imgur.com/a/tgIBpN3

[quote="supasp":inwsqxy7]I am literally a brand new player created this account to practice for my regional a year ago which sadly got cancelled due to carona, and what this player is saying about your platform is true, in my first 2 days playing ranked I have experienced 2 players trying to take advantage of the fact I am newer by 1; not calling chains and eff, or 2; advancing the game state without allowing me a chance to respond. The first time the judge was great came in read everything and determined the player was SHARKING me whatever that means, and so day 2 i play another duel and notice this drytron player was doing the same thing, so after he gets aggressive with me in the chat after i drop an effect veiler that he switched his chain links so he can avoid it (because thats not cheating or anything) I get a judge to finally come in after the match is over and i'm at 0 LP ( BECAUSE THE JUDGE THJE DAY BEFORE SAID YOU CANNOT PAUSE PLAY TO WAIT FOR A JUDGE YOU HAVE TO FINSIH THE DUEL AND WAIT FOR A RULING) So i did, I told the other player that i believe he cheated, that he was being aggressive over the game he won (like just a behavioral note he wouldn't be getting so mad if he did nothing wrong he knew he fucked up and didn't want me to get a judge before he got his W in case the gave him a loss for cheating.) Then as soon as the judge gets in its like a political warfare like why the fuck can't the judge just read the LOG and make a determination. I STREAMED ALL OF THE DUELS AND THEN WHEN THE JUDGE FINALLY COMES IN AND MAKES A DECISION, I GOT A BAN FOR STALLING WHEN THE MATCH WAS OVER I JUST WANTED A JUDGE TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW THIS PLAYER TOOK ADVANTAGE OF SOMEONE ON THEIR 16th DUEL USING THE PLATFORM, THE PLAYER I PLAYED AGAINST HAD CLOSE TO 1000, AND I WILL LEAVE YOU WITH THIS!!!

THE DOWNFALL OF ANY HOBBY IS WHEN THE VETERANS DO NOT EMBRACE THE NEWBIES, IF YOU WANT ALL THE NEWER PLAYERS TO GET ALIENATED FROM THE GAME, THEN KEEP THINKING THAT PERSONAL CONDUCT WITH-IN THE DUELS IS LESS IMPORTANT THAN THE DUEL ITSELF BECAUSE IN A TOURNAMENT AND MOST IMPORTANTLY IN LIFE YOU CAN BE THE GREATEST OUT THERE BUT ALL IT TAKES IS ONE QUOTE OF SOME DUMB SHIT YOU SAID THAT CAN KILL A CAREER OR OTHERWISE GET THEM CANCELLED.[/quote:inwsqxy7]
dude you honestly deserved this your newer and went strait into rated I'm assuming which is dumb you don't even know what sharking means and combo players here go pretty fast and don't declare chains most of the time cause its combo and you can always ask that and about the cannot pause for a ruling thing that's not true you didn't pay attention to the judge you don't pause for things like harassment sharking and other non gameplay-related things but you should of paused with the drytron player because switching chains after your opp responds to the chain already clear is cheating dude your just salty you got destroyed for jumping into rated and not knowing anything

i also forgot to mention if you arent doing anything they have a right to play a bit faster just because you don't say no ht and just say k doesn't mean its gonna be like that the whole game

Thats the thing I didn't pause for a ruling my opponent paused the game, my opponent started freaking out when i started questioning him in chat, and honestly man i am salty that I am trying to learn a new program to practice and not rely on the automation of edo or ygo pro and YOU AND PROVING YOUR OWN POINT YOU SAY THAT DB IS DYING BECAUSE OF TOXICITY AND HERE YOU ARE BEING TOXIC TO A NEWER PLAYER TRYING TO JOIN THE COMMUNITY!!!!!!!!!! LOOK IN THE MIRROR BRO!!!!!!!! YOU LITTERALLY ARE MAD ABOIUT THE THINGS YOU ARE DOIJNHG TO OTHER PLAYERS THAT MAKES YOU A HYPOCRIT, WHICH IS HILARIOUS BECUASE I CAME IN HERE KNOWING I WOULD GET A FASTER RESPONSE ON A SPICY THREAD BETWEEN THE ARGUMENT OF A PLAYER AND A JUDGE THAN I WOULD JUST PUTTING MY APEAL THROUGH!!!!!!! I COMMUNICATED MY GREIVANCES TO THE OPP PLAYER, I PLAYED THE DUEL OUT TO MATCH AND THEN WAITED FOT THE JUDGE, WE PROBABLY WAITED LIKE 10 MINUTES AT MAX HOW IS IT SLOW PLAY AND STALLING IF THE DUEL IS ALLREADY OVER AND I WAS WAITING ON A JUDGE TO RULE WHETHER HE CHEATED OR NOT I TRUELY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE POINT OF HAVING A JUDGE CALL OPTION FOR CHEATING IF ITS APPEARENTLY NOT AN OPTION!!!!!!!!

out of around 20 duels only 2 have been with opp players like this man, its not everyone some people just want to cheat, every DB video ive seen on YT or in general HIGHER ELOS CALL EVERY EFF
they are saying think or k? or EFF in the chat
and declaring in the chat so that their opp knows what is going on and they are not advancing the game state so rapidly
this is a card game yes but its also a browser based program that just like everything can suffer from connectivity issues or bugs, or just because its relevant misclicks happen through lag so like dude chill out a bit and honestly if this is how all of DB is then I'll just head out now because honestly i don't know why i hopped onto this point when the OP ends up being the same type of person they were bitching about. PCE

[quote="supasp":1wrd2t21]out of around 20 duels only 2 have been with opp players like this man, its not everyone some people just want to cheat, every DB video ive seen on YT or in general HIGHER ELOS CALL EVERY EFF
they are saying think or k? or EFF in the chat
and declaring in the chat so that their opp knows what is going on and they are not advancing the game state so rapidly
this is a card game yes but its also a browser based program that just like everything can suffer from connectivity issues or bugs, or just because its relevant misclicks happen through lag so like dude chill out a bit and honestly if this is how all of DB is then I'll just head out now because honestly i don't know why i hopped onto this point when the OP ends up being the same type of person they were bitching about. PCE[/quote:1wrd2t21]

yea everyone declares effecs and they should just not everyone asks and declares chains and there's a good reason for that if you don't have a response for awile they will play faster and after long enough stop asking and lag in on the player no one else to bad and this isn't all of db its just you going batshit insane for one dude sharking and you getting salty and stalling when yu lost the second time and you got frozen for it and everyone knows people in rated can be bad like i said you jumped into rated and you didn't know anything about the site you cant say op was right in your last post if you don't know anything about the site and one thing about db is people love to jump into threads where people don't know what their talking about like op and you

[quote="supasp":296ddrzo]Thats the thing I didn't pause for a ruling my opponent paused the game, my opponent started freaking out when i started questioning him in chat, and honestly man i am salty that I am trying to learn a new program to practice and not rely on the automation of edo or ygo pro and YOU AND PROVING YOUR OWN POINT YOU SAY THAT DB IS DYING BECAUSE OF TOXICITY AND HERE YOU ARE BEING TOXIC TO A NEWER PLAYER TRYING TO JOIN THE COMMUNITY!!!!!!!!!! LOOK IN THE MIRROR BRO!!!!!!!! YOU LITTERALLY ARE MAD ABOIUT THE THINGS YOU ARE DOIJNHG TO OTHER PLAYERS THAT MAKES YOU A HYPOCRIT, WHICH IS HILARIOUS BECUASE I CAME IN HERE KNOWING I WOULD GET A FASTER RESPONSE ON A SPICY THREAD BETWEEN THE ARGUMENT OF A PLAYER AND A JUDGE THAN I WOULD JUST PUTTING MY APEAL THROUGH!!!!!!! I COMMUNICATED MY GREIVANCES TO THE OPP PLAYER, I PLAYED THE DUEL OUT TO MATCH AND THEN WAITED FOT THE JUDGE, WE PROBABLY WAITED LIKE 10 MINUTES AT MAX HOW IS IT SLOW PLAY AND STALLING IF THE DUEL IS ALLREADY OVER AND I WAS WAITING ON A JUDGE TO RULE WHETHER HE CHEATED OR NOT I TRUELY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE POINT OF HAVING A JUDGE CALL OPTION FOR CHEATING IF ITS APPEARENTLY NOT AN OPTION!!!!!!!![/quote:296ddrzo]
almost forgot to read this one this is funny and sad just because your new doesn't mean you can jump into rated where newbies should not be that's why we have people set to beginner and your calling me toxic your the one that stalled and is screaming in chat db isn't dying its getting better every day I'm simply telling you you brought everything onto yourself and your having a bitchfit new or not
and on a final note nice grammar bro

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