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[quote="Cromat":3hcooz24]Q: Opponent activated "Performapal Odd-Eyes Dissolver" on their Pendulum Zone, then activated its Pendulum Effect. I activated the "Paleozoic Dinomischus" by targeting the face-up "Performapal Odd-Eyes Dissolver". Effect of "Performapal Odd-Eyes Dissolver" gonna resolves or not?

https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-36088277[/quote:3hcooz24]
No, because like Continuous Spells/Traps, Pendulum Scales need to be on the field to resolve their effects as well. (Not like Vortex helped them that game anyway)

[quote="greg503":11s8kajd][quote="Cromat":11s8kajd]Q: Opponent activated "Performapal Odd-Eyes Dissolver" on their Pendulum Zone, then activated its Pendulum Effect. I activated the "Paleozoic Dinomischus" by targeting the face-up "Performapal Odd-Eyes Dissolver". Effect of "Performapal Odd-Eyes Dissolver" gonna resolves or not?

https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-36088277[/quote:11s8kajd]
No, because like Continuous Spells/Traps, Pendulum Scales need to be on the field to resolve their effects as well. (Not like Vortex helped them that game anyway)[/quote:11s8kajd]
can confirm as the penmaster

Q (#2): During my opponent's Main Phase: They activated effect of "Wave-Motion Cannon" by sending it to GY for damage to my LP. I activated "Macro Cosmos". That Spell can damage to my LP by banishing instead of sent to GY or while that Spell's effect resolves, that'll not be sent to GY because of "Macro Cosmos"? (I think we did somethings wrong during the Duel.)

https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-36104981

[quote="Cromat":blzl8nsa]Q (#2): During my opponent's Main Phase: They activated effect of "Wave-Motion Cannon" by sending it to GY for damage to my LP. I activated "Macro Cosmos". That Spell can damage to my LP by banishing instead of sent to GY or while that Spell's effect resolves, that'll not be sent to GY because of "Macro Cosmos"? (I think we did somethings wrong during the Duel.)

https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-36104981 [/quote:blzl8nsa]
from reading wave motion cannon it send to gy as cost so you chaining macro cant banish it and then you still would take dmg but it you activated it before wave motion cannons effect was activated he couldn't activate it then and you would save yourself

[quote="Cromat":24drqzsl]Q: Opponent activated "Performapal Odd-Eyes Dissolver" on their Pendulum Zone, then activated its Pendulum Effect. I activated the "Paleozoic Dinomischus" by targeting the face-up "Performapal Odd-Eyes Dissolver". Effect of "Performapal Odd-Eyes Dissolver" gonna resolves or not?

https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-36088277[/quote:24drqzsl]

Sure, it will resolve. It not doing anything when it resolves due to being a pendulum scale and no longer on the field doesn't mean it won't resolve.

[quote="Cromat":1g83kv73]Q (#2): During my opponent's Main Phase: They activated effect of "Wave-Motion Cannon" by sending it to GY for damage to my LP. I activated "Macro Cosmos". That Spell can damage to my LP by banishing instead of sent to GY or while that Spell's effect resolves, that'll not be sent to GY because of "Macro Cosmos"? (I think we did somethings wrong during the Duel.)

https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-36104981 [/quote:1g83kv73]

They sent Wave Motion Cannot to the GY when activating its effect. Macro Cosmos just makes it so that any cards sent to the GY while its effect is applying is banished instead, it doesn't banish cards already in the GY. You chaining Macro Cosmos to the effect to inflict damage won't do anything. Them banishing Wave Motion from the GY did not make any sense at all.

BTW can this be moved to the Ruling Q&A section, because that's what this is

[quote="greg503":3ulzbqer]BTW can this be moved to the Ruling Q&A section, because that's what this is[/quote:3ulzbqer]

Hello

Yes, that can be like that. So I can get correct answer faster with this way perhaps. One of the moderators can move this topic there if they wish; if it will help more to get the correct answers to my questions.

(So I can continue asking my questions from there.)

[quote="Cromat":7avacyzn]If opponent activate of "Ojama Trio" and Summons 3 "Ojama Tokens" with it on the field of my side, can they activate that same turn of "Pot of Duality"?

https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-36152158 [/quote:7avacyzn]

No because Pot of Duality's restriction must be obeyed the turn you activate it, so if you previously special summoned that turn, you can't activate Pot of Duality.

Hello there, it's me (again).

[Question #4]
Chain Link 1 as activated "Conquistador of the Golden Land", Chain Link 2 as "There Can Be Only One", Chain Link 3 as "Golden Land Forever!". They do not have to tribute of their "Eldlich the Golden Lord"? They attempted to tribute of "Conquistador of the Golden Land" from their Spell/Trap Zone, is that possible? (Server just kicked me due to inactivity while waiting of Judge(s) arrives after I called them.)

[*Do not forget to check the replay for understood the issue and the question as clear.*]
https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-36161560

[quote="Cromat":352aumif]Hello there, it's me (again).

[Question #4]
Chain Link 1 as activated "Conquistador of the Golden Land", Chain Link 2 as "There Can Be Only One", Chain Link 3 as "Golden Land Forever!". They do not have to tribute of their "Eldlich the Golden Lord"? They attempted to tribute of "Conquistador of the Golden Land" from their Spell/Trap Zone, is that possible? (Server just kicked me due to inactivity while waiting of Judge(s) arrives after I called them.)

[*Do not forget to check the replay for understood the issue and the question as clear.*]
https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-36161560 [/quote:352aumif]

No it's not, because Conquistador hasn't turned into a monster yet, and "Golden Land Forever!" requires you to tribute a monster specifically as a cost. Conquistador is still treated as just a spell/trap until it's activation resolves, giving you the option to then turn it into a monster for you to be able to tribute it to activate that counter trap.

Also, instead of saying:
[code:352aumif][u]Conquistador of the Golden Land[/u][/code:352aumif]
Try saying:
[code:352aumif][url=https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Conquistador_of_the_Golden_Land]Conquistador of the Golden Land[/url][/code:352aumif]

So instead of:
Conquistador of the Golden Land
You get:
Conquistador of the Golden Land

That way, we can immediately go to the yugipedia page of the card you're referring to to read the card's effect(s) in question.

[quote="Cromat":256p1j9e]Q: Opponent activated "Performapal Odd-Eyes Dissolver" on their Pendulum Zone, then activated its Pendulum Effect. I activated the "Paleozoic Dinomischus" by targeting the face-up "Performapal Odd-Eyes Dissolver". Effect of "Performapal Odd-Eyes Dissolver" gonna resolves or not?

https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-36088277[/quote:256p1j9e]
odd-eyes dissolver and most of the pendulum monsters must remain in the pendulum zone to resolve their pendulum effect properly. if odd-eyes dissolver is banished at cl2 then it will not perform a fusion summon.

[quote="Cromat":1dwseshg]Q (#2): During my opponent's Main Phase: They activated effect of "Wave-Motion Cannon" by sending it to GY for damage to my LP. I activated "Macro Cosmos". That Spell can damage to my LP by banishing instead of sent to GY or while that Spell's effect resolves, that'll not be sent to GY because of "Macro Cosmos"? (I think we did somethings wrong during the Duel.)

https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-36104981 [/quote:1dwseshg]
so the chain there is cl1 wave motion cannon sending itself to the gy as a cost and cl2 is macro cosmos. since wave motion is already in the gy macro cosmos has no interraction with the effect and will resolve normally inflicting damage times the number of standby phases it was on the field.

[quote="Genexwrecker":1pz18n1b][quote="Cromat":1pz18n1b]Q (#2): During my opponent's Main Phase: They activated effect of "Wave-Motion Cannon" by sending it to GY for damage to my LP. I activated "Macro Cosmos". That Spell can damage to my LP by banishing instead of sent to GY or while that Spell's effect resolves, that'll not be sent to GY because of "Macro Cosmos"? (I think we did somethings wrong during the Duel.)

https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-36104981 [/quote:1pz18n1b]
so the chain there is cl1 wave motion cannon sending itself to the gy as a cost and cl2 is macro cosmos. since wave motion is already in the gy macro cosmos has no interraction with the effect and will resolve normally inflicting damage times the number of standby phases it was on the field.[/quote:1pz18n1b][quote="Genexwrecker":1pz18n1b][quote="Cromat":1pz18n1b]Q: Opponent activated "Performapal Odd-Eyes Dissolver" on their Pendulum Zone, then activated its Pendulum Effect. I activated the "Paleozoic Dinomischus" by targeting the face-up "Performapal Odd-Eyes Dissolver". Effect of "Performapal Odd-Eyes Dissolver" gonna resolves or not?

https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-36088277[/quote:1pz18n1b]
odd-eyes dissolver and most of the pendulum monsters must remain in the pendulum zone to resolve their pendulum effect properly. if odd-eyes dissolver is banished at cl2 then it will not perform a fusion summon.[/quote:1pz18n1b]

Hello Genexwrecker,
Thank you for your explanations. I know that I can trust those answers.

Hello there
It's me again, the handsome person at this Forum.


CL [1] Link Summoned "Knightmare Phoenix": Activating its effect when Summoned.
CL [2] Activated "Skill Drain" to negate effect of that Link monster.
CL [3] Activating "Torrential Tribute" when opponent see that I activated "Skill Drain".
CL [4] Activated effect of "Red-Eyes Dark Dragoon" for negate to opponent's "Torrential Tribute".

Question #5:
'Chain Link 4' is OK here?

[quote="Cromat":1y2qu1ps]Hello there
It's me again, the handsome person at this Forum.


CL [1] Link Summoned "Knightmare Phoenix": Activating its effect when Summoned.
CL [2] Activated "Skill Drain" to negate effect of that Link monster.
CL [3] Activating "Torrential Tribute" when opponent see that I activated "Skill Drain".
CL [4] Activated effect of "Red-Eyes Dark Dragoon" for negate to opponent's "Torrential Tribute".

Question #5:
'Chain Link 4' is OK here?[/quote:1y2qu1ps]

Skill Drain doesn't negate anything until it has actually resolved, so you can respond to it with monster effects while it hasn't yet resolved.

Hi there, it's me you know who is it.

Question #6:

During their Main Phase 1: Opponent is Special Summoned of their "Silent Wobby" in Attack Position on my side of the field, while I have 5 cards. So, I have to discard 2 of them to the Graveyard that moment or I don't have to do that until my End Phase is come?

[quote="Cromat":6z0fh7nj]Hi there, it's me you know who is it.

Question #6:

During their Main Phase 1: Opponent is Special Summoned of their "Silent Wobby" in Attack Position on my side of the field, while I have 5 cards. So, I have to discard 2 of them to the Graveyard that moment or I don't have to do that until my End Phase is come?[/quote:6z0fh7nj]

You discard during the end phase.

Discarding to hand size happens during your End Phase

[quote="Cromat":p08pwxja]Question #7:

Portion 1:
I am activated "De-Fusion" by targetting "Destiny HERO - Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer" which is under control of my opponent; they activated that Fusion's effect for destroy I just activated Spell (and also itself).

Portion 2:
I am activating "Raigeki" while opponent has "Destiny HERO - Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer" as face-up; they activating its effect for destroy my Spell (and also itself).

Portion 3:
Those are destroying my Spells, really; or this game is reached to being sucks as far as it can?[/quote:p08pwxja]
Yes, they can chain DPE to destroy spells you activate, since the two you mentioned aren't continuous they will then resolve. De-Fusion (I forget whether the real version lets you target your opponents cards but I will assume it does) resolves without effect since the target left the field, while Raigeki will destroy their other monsters, then in a new chain, the can activate DPE's other effect.

[quote="greg503":ul7apr4u][quote="Cromat":ul7apr4u]Question #7:

Portion 1:
I am activated "De-Fusion" by targetting "Destiny HERO - Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer" which is under control of my opponent; they activated that Fusion's effect for destroy I just activated Spell (and also itself).

Portion 2:
I am activating "Raigeki" while opponent has "Destiny HERO - Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer" as face-up; they activating its effect for destroy my Spell (and also itself).

Portion 3:
Those are destroying my Spells, really; or this game is reached to being sucks as far as it can?[/quote:ul7apr4u]
Yes, they can chain DPE to destroy spells you activate, since the two you mentioned aren't continuous they will then resolve. De-Fusion (I forget whether the real version lets you target your opponents cards but I will assume it does) resolves without effect since the target left the field, while Raigeki will destroy their other monsters, then in a new chain, the can activate DPE's other effect.[/quote:ul7apr4u]

So, you are saying that when I activate De-Fusion, Raigeki, Lightning Storm and/or Dark Hole while no card on the field at that moment but Destiny HERO - Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer, that Fusion Monster can destroy itself and I just activated Spell, thus it can make my card trash? Have I understood clear?

Yes.

[quote="Lil Oldman":fofwnrq8]Yes.[/quote:fofwnrq8]

Well, tell them then that don't call Judges when they activated Dark Hole, Lightning Storm and/or Harpie's Feather Duster and I responded with Mystical Space Typhoon. Because I will destroy their Spells too.

[quote="Cromat":2ot0cwll][quote="Lil Oldman":2ot0cwll]Yes.[/quote:2ot0cwll]

Well, tell them then that don't call Judges when they activated Dark Hole, Lightning Storm and/or Harpie's Feather Duster and I responded with Mystical Space Typhoon. Because I will destroy their Spells too.[/quote:2ot0cwll]
I don't get what you mean. The scenarios you are describing are different.

[quote="Cromat":3o6sam1n]
Question #8

(a)
While ATK of "Gren Maju Da Eiza" was 6400, "Number 61: Volcasaurus" is destroyed that Effect Monster by using its effect. Opponent will take 6400 damage or taken no damage?

(b)
While ATK of "Eater of Millions" was 1600, "Red-Eyes Dark Dragoon" used its effect for destroy "Eater of Millions", opponent will take 1600 damage or not?
[/quote:3o6sam1n]

[url:3o6sam1n]https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Number_61:_Volcasaurus[/url:3o6sam1n]

Monster whose original ATK is 0 or ?: The targeted monster is destroyed, but the opponent takes no damage.

Question #9:

● Chain Link 1: Opponent activating effect of their "Accesscode Talker" by banishing 1 Link Monster from their graveyard.
● Chain Link 2: I am chaining my Trap card; the "Ice Dragon's Prison" by targeting opponent's Link Monster that in graveyard of my opponent. (Opponent has only 1 Link Monster to banish in their graveyard that moment.)
● Chain Link 3: Opponent chaining effect of "Borreload Savage Dragon" which is on opponent's field as face-up, that for negate my activated Trap.
● Chain Link 4: Last link of the chain is: Activated by me the "Paleozoic Dinomischus" by targeting opponent's Synchro Monster (the Borreload Savage Dragon).

> Chain Link will be resolved normally as "Borreload Savage Dragon" will negate of "Ice Dragon's Prison" or it will not do it because of "Paleozoic Dinomischus"; that means it banished that Synchro Monster thus that won't be able to negate of that Trap (the "Ice Dragon's Prison") and I can Summon opponent's graveyard to that Link Monster before they banished it which is attempted to banish for effect of "Borreload Savage Dragon"? <



(I was really tired while typing that question.)

[quote="Cromat":3spqorhn]Question #9:

● Chain Link 1: Opponent activating effect of their "Accesscode Talker" by banishing 1 Link Monster from their graveyard.
● Chain Link 2: I am chaining my Trap card; the "Ice Dragon's Prison" by targeting opponent's Link Monster that in graveyard of my opponent. (Opponent has only 1 Link Monster to banish in their graveyard that moment.)
● Chain Link 3: Opponent chaining effect of "Borreload Savage Dragon" which is on opponent's field as face-up, that for negate my activated Trap.
● Chain Link 4: Last link of the chain is: Activated by me the "Paleozoic Dinomischus" by targeting opponent's Synchro Monster (the Borreload Savage Dragon).

> Chain Link will be resolved normally as "Borreload Savage Dragon" will negate of "Ice Dragon's Prison" or it will not do it because of "Paleozoic Dinomischus"; that means it banished that Synchro Monster thus that won't be able to negate of that Trap (the "Ice Dragon's Prison") and I can Summon opponent's graveyard to that Link Monster before they banished it which is attempted to banish for effect of "Borreload Savage Dragon"? <



(I was really tired while typing that question.)[/quote:3spqorhn]
A) Acesscode banishing is cost, so you cannot activate nothing until the thing banishes.
B) Savege, to my understanding, doesn't need to be on the field to activate, only needs to remove the counter. (As cost too.)
C)Dinomischus doesn't negate, so Borreload leaving the field does nothing on the chain.

[quote="Cromat":2nteghbf]Question #9:

● Chain Link 1: Opponent activating effect of their "Accesscode Talker" by banishing 1 Link Monster from their graveyard.
● Chain Link 2: I am chaining my Trap card; the "Ice Dragon's Prison" by targeting opponent's Link Monster that in graveyard of my opponent. (Opponent has only 1 Link Monster to banish in their graveyard that moment.)
● Chain Link 3: Opponent chaining effect of "Borreload Savage Dragon" which is on opponent's field as face-up, that for negate my activated Trap.
● Chain Link 4: Last link of the chain is: Activated by me the "Paleozoic Dinomischus" by targeting opponent's Synchro Monster (the Borreload Savage Dragon).

> Chain Link will be resolved normally as "Borreload Savage Dragon" will negate of "Ice Dragon's Prison" or it will not do it because of "Paleozoic Dinomischus"; that means it banished that Synchro Monster thus that won't be able to negate of that Trap (the "Ice Dragon's Prison") and I can Summon opponent's graveyard to that Link Monster before they banished it which is attempted to banish for effect of "Borreload Savage Dragon"? <



(I was really tired while typing that question.)[/quote:2nteghbf]
You can't chain to Accesscode lmao

All this work with chaining with an effect that can’t be responded to. Accesscode Talker: Your opponent cannot activate cards or effects in response to this card's effect activations.

How does a deck check work if you've started a tournament on DB?

[quote="Danobious17":2mgusbzx]How does a deck check work if you've started a tournament on DB?[/quote:2mgusbzx]

The system automatically checks your deck and lets you know if it's compatible with the banlist and everything. There's no need for a third party to verify your deck.

[quote="Christen57":1i387izj][quote="Danobious17":1i387izj]How does a deck check work if you've started a tournament on DB?[/quote:1i387izj]

The system automatically checks your deck and lets you know if it's compatible with the banlist and everything. There's no need for a third party to verify your deck.[/quote:1i387izj]
Unless of course, you're not playing a format that DB supports

[quote="greg503":pc6bhyqt][quote="Christen57":pc6bhyqt][quote="Danobious17":pc6bhyqt]How does a deck check work if you've started a tournament on DB?[/quote:pc6bhyqt]

The system automatically checks your deck and lets you know if it's compatible with the banlist and everything. There's no need for a third party to verify your deck.[/quote:pc6bhyqt]
Unless of course, you're not playing a format that DB supports[/quote:pc6bhyqt]

He was asking about tournaments — a format that duelingbook does support.

[quote="Christen57":13uh9w0w][quote="greg503":13uh9w0w][quote="Christen57":13uh9w0w]

The system automatically checks your deck and lets you know if it's compatible with the banlist and everything. There's no need for a third party to verify your deck.[/quote:13uh9w0w]
Unless of course, you're not playing a format that DB supports[/quote:13uh9w0w]

He was asking about tournaments — a format that duelingbook does support.[/quote:13uh9w0w]
Tournaments are not a format in and of themselves, if I wanted to host an Edison tournament I would need to make sure they were using decks of that format

[quote="greg503":i29gihef][quote="Christen57":i29gihef][quote="greg503":i29gihef]
Unless of course, you're not playing a format that DB supports[/quote:i29gihef]

He was asking about tournaments — a format that duelingbook does support.[/quote:i29gihef]
Tournaments are not a format in and of themselves, if I wanted to host an Edison tournament I would need to make sure they were using decks of that format[/quote:i29gihef]

I thought he meant regular advanced format tournaments.

[quote="Christen57":wcvvkuxy][quote="greg503":wcvvkuxy][quote="Christen57":wcvvkuxy]

He was asking about tournaments — a format that duelingbook does support.[/quote:wcvvkuxy]
Tournaments are not a format in and of themselves, if I wanted to host an Edison tournament I would need to make sure they were using decks of that format[/quote:wcvvkuxy]

I thought he meant regular advanced format tournaments.[/quote:wcvvkuxy]
I know, and it's fine if that is, which is why I mentioned other formats

Question #10:

● Opponent activated their effect of "Predaplant Verte Anaconda" by paying 2000 LP and sending 1 "Red-Eyes Fusion".
● I am responded it by sending "Ghost Ogre & Snow Rabbit" of my GY.
● Then opponent sent their Link Monster to their GY, after that, they sent to GY from their Main Deck of "Dark Magician" and sent from hand to GY of "Red-Eyes Black Dragon".
● Opponent Summoned their "Red-Eyes Dark Dragoon". (Opponent is insisting about it that they can still Summon of "Red-Eyes Dark Dragoon".)

Their Link Monster should destroyed and it cannot Summon that Fusion Monster or still Link Monster is destroyed and the Fusion Monster can be Summoned as successfully?



(State your opinion on the subject, please. Replay link: https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-37097180)

If I am not mistaken, only continous, equip and field spells are required to be face-up on the field to resolve their effects.

[quote="Cromat":1mss5hfj]Question #10:

● Opponent activated their effect of "Predaplant Verte Anaconda" by paying 2000 LP and sending 1 "Red-Eyes Fusion".
● I am responded it by sending "Ghost Ogre & Snow Rabbit" of my GY.
● Then opponent sent their Link Monster to their GY, after that, they sent to GY from their Main Deck of "Dark Magician" and sent from hand to GY of "Red-Eyes Black Dragon".
● Opponent Summoned their "Red-Eyes Dark Dragoon". (Opponent is insisting about it that they can still Summon of "Red-Eyes Dark Dragoon".)

Their Link Monster should destroyed and it cannot Summon that Fusion Monster or still Link Monster is destroyed and the Fusion Monster can be Summoned as successfully?



(State your opinion on the subject, please. Replay link: https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-37097180)[/quote:1mss5hfj]
Monsters that activate their effect can be destroyed and the effect will still resolve unless stated otherwise on the card

[quote="Cromat":6mh9e73r] Extra Section

(Question #11):

I entered my Draw Phase and drew a card for my normal Draw Phase, then to Standby Phase, then finally arrived to my Main Phase 1. Opponent activated effect of their "Galatea, the Orcust Automaton", thence I activated "Triple Tactics Talent" for to draw 2 card by its effect. After that, opponent started to typing me as "Hey, in SP, I mean to activate it you entered your Main Phase so quickly" which as too sneaky. Thus I realized how people getting higher rank and getting that much rating point. To justify their sneaky behavior, they began to write the paragraphs that were asked in the university exam. Even furthermore, they immediately copied/pasted log record to cover up their own behavior. And says "Look to log, log is clear you did it same second and gave me no time to activate monster's effect at your SP." I asked my opponent that what would them do if their opponent had made same kind behavior to you? Because I advocate that you activated your monster's effect during my Main Phase, so I can activate my Spell, that's it. Opponent advocates as denied to act like that and show me to log record by copy/paste them for to justify their behavior. And says to me that you have to get my permission before do anything as clearly.

Replay link: https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-37302912


Me..? Of course I did call to Judge, what would you do if you were in same situation? (Please explain yourself..)[/quote:6mh9e73r] Quite simply put you clicked on Standby Phase without giving your opponent to react or to do anythin. Standby Phase is quite relevant in this scenario since you also have Cauldron of the Old Man in play. You could had easily when you clicked on Standby Phase and asked if they have anything to play before proceeding to the next phase.

[quote="Cromat":47khci4z] Extra Section

(Question #11):

I entered my Draw Phase and drew a card for my normal Draw Phase, then to Standby Phase, then finally arrived to my Main Phase 1. Opponent activated effect of their "Galatea, the Orcust Automaton", thence I activated "Triple Tactics Talent" for to draw 2 card by its effect. After that, opponent started to typing me as "Hey, in SP, I mean to activate it you entered your Main Phase so quickly" which as too sneaky. Thus I realized how people getting higher rank and getting that much rating point. To justify their sneaky behavior, they began to write the paragraphs that were asked in the university exam. Even furthermore, they immediately copied/pasted log record to cover up their own behavior. And says "Look to log, log is clear you did it same second and gave me no time to activate monster's effect at your SP." I asked my opponent that what would them do if their opponent had made same kind behavior to you? Because I advocate that you activated your monster's effect during my Main Phase, so I can activate my Spell, that's it. Opponent advocates as denied to act like that and show me to log record by copy/paste them for to justify their behavior. And says to me that you have to get my permission before do anything as clearly.

Replay link: https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-37302912


Me..? Of course I did call to Judge, what would you do if you were in same situation? (Please explain yourself..)[/quote:47khci4z]the galatea was illegal and so was your talents if we assume its m1 they activated galatea the very second you tried to move to m1 so its very reasonable to know it is being used in sp as its illegal to use it in m1 here. I would rewind to sp not allow the talents and give you a warning for sharking.

[quote="Genexwrecker":3b06pxcy][quote="Cromat":3b06pxcy] Extra Section

(Question #11):

I entered my Draw Phase and drew a card for my normal Draw Phase, then to Standby Phase, then finally arrived to my Main Phase 1. Opponent activated effect of their "Galatea, the Orcust Automaton", thence I activated "Triple Tactics Talent" for to draw 2 card by its effect. After that, opponent started to typing me as "Hey, in SP, I mean to activate it you entered your Main Phase so quickly" which as too sneaky. Thus I realized how people getting higher rank and getting that much rating point. To justify their sneaky behavior, they began to write the paragraphs that were asked in the university exam. Even furthermore, they immediately copied/pasted log record to cover up their own behavior. And says "Look to log, log is clear you did it same second and gave me no time to activate monster's effect at your SP." I asked my opponent that what would them do if their opponent had made same kind behavior to you? Because I advocate that you activated your monster's effect during my Main Phase, so I can activate my Spell, that's it. Opponent advocates as denied to act like that and show me to log record by copy/paste them for to justify their behavior. And says to me that you have to get my permission before do anything as clearly.

Replay link: https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-37302912


Me..? Of course I did call to Judge, what would you do if you were in same situation? (Please explain yourself..)[/quote:3b06pxcy]the galatea was illegal and so was your talents if we assume its m1 they activated galatea the very second you tried to move to m1 so its very reasonable to know it is being used in sp as its illegal to use it in m1 here. I would rewind to sp not allow the talents and give you a warning for sharking.[/quote:3b06pxcy]


[1] I entered my phases as normal, it is OK. There is no problem.
[2] Opponent activated effect of "Galatea, the Orcust Automaton"; put to top of their Main Deck to "Orcust Cymbal Skeleton", then Set face-down of "Orcustrated Return" from their Main Deck directly.
[3] After that, I activated "Triple Tactics Talent"; declared its effect.
[4] Opponent saw that; and suddenly decided say it: "in sp".



● We did rewind the game already. I didn't attempt to sharking. The point I want to focus on is they saw my Spell and changed their decision; thus, they tried to prevent me from drawing cards. But I understand you. It's your job to decide against me, I know. Why don't you get online when I called the Judge next time, herewith you can give a Warning that moment. (Also appealing I am to your decision which you wanted to give me a warning.)

Did we understand each other, Genexwrecker?
Sincerely.
(Genexwrecker is the best Judge!)

[quote="Cromat":1gluceu4][quote="Genexwrecker":1gluceu4][quote="Cromat":1gluceu4] Extra Section

(Question #11):

I entered my Draw Phase and drew a card for my normal Draw Phase, then to Standby Phase, then finally arrived to my Main Phase 1. Opponent activated effect of their "Galatea, the Orcust Automaton", thence I activated "Triple Tactics Talent" for to draw 2 card by its effect. After that, opponent started to typing me as "Hey, in SP, I mean to activate it you entered your Main Phase so quickly" which as too sneaky. Thus I realized how people getting higher rank and getting that much rating point. To justify their sneaky behavior, they began to write the paragraphs that were asked in the university exam. Even furthermore, they immediately copied/pasted log record to cover up their own behavior. And says "Look to log, log is clear you did it same second and gave me no time to activate monster's effect at your SP." I asked my opponent that what would them do if their opponent had made same kind behavior to you? Because I advocate that you activated your monster's effect during my Main Phase, so I can activate my Spell, that's it. Opponent advocates as denied to act like that and show me to log record by copy/paste them for to justify their behavior. And says to me that you have to get my permission before do anything as clearly.

Replay link: https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-37302912


Me..? Of course I did call to Judge, what would you do if you were in same situation? (Please explain yourself..)[/quote:1gluceu4]the galatea was illegal and so was your talents if we assume its m1 they activated galatea the very second you tried to move to m1 so its very reasonable to know it is being used in sp as its illegal to use it in m1 here. I would rewind to sp not allow the talents and give you a warning for sharking.[/quote:1gluceu4]


[1] I entered my phases as normal, it is OK. There is no problem.
[2] Opponent activated effect of "Galatea, the Orcust Automaton"; put to top of their Main Deck to "Orcust Cymbal Skeleton", then Set face-down of "Orcustrated Return" from their Main Deck directly.
[3] After that, I activated "Triple Tactics Talent"; declared its effect.
[4] Opponent saw that; and suddenly decided say it: "in sp".



● We did rewind the game already. I didn't attempt to sharking. The point I want to focus on is they saw my Spell and changed their decision; thus, they tried to prevent me from drawing cards. But I understand you. It's your job to decide against me, I know. Why don't you get online when I called the Judge next time, herewith you can give a Warning that moment. (Also appealing I am to your decision which you wanted to give me a warning.)

Did we understand each other, Genexwrecker?
Sincerely.
(Genexwrecker is the best Judge!)[/quote:1gluceu4]ur trying to make this about cheating or take backs when it isnt. The effect literally cannot be user except in sp or dp here. The players are expected to know this. Therefore it should have been obvious that their effect was in sp when you attempted to switch to m1 so the opp didnt feel a need to clarify especially since both actions happened at once. They only said something when you tried to use an illegal effect. This is not about them trying to take back plays this is about you trying to make your own rules for the situation that was not complicated. You tried to move to m1 they activated a fast effect in response to that reuest to move phases meaning it is still sp no matter what your phase marker says. The turn is not m1 simple becausecyou hit the phase marker for it. The marker is a request not the qctuql phase. These are core gameplay elements everyone is expected to know and coverer by fast effect timing.

[quote="Cromat":3orlvif1]● Actually I explained why I did it.
● I never tried to cheat.
● I didn't try to make my own rules.
● I called Judge already for that.
● I already said that I will move the topic to the Forum, at the chat of Duel.
● So, I took it back as my opponent said and continued the game.
● I raised the issue in the Forum.
● I got my answer and got my warning from you.

Even if we don't get agreed each other some point about the issue, don't talk like you're angry with me. Thank you for your help and thoughtful behavior.


Best regards..
(Genexwrecker is the best Judge!)[/quote:3orlvif1]you quoted me making a debate about “them changing their mind after seeing x” so i replied with how I would evaluate that as well as what you should consider for the situation moving forward. Also you dint have any warnings lol remember Im merely telling you how I would break this down and handle it in a call ur good dude dont worry.

[quote="Cromat":1w7vzdtr]● Opponent activated "Dracoback, the Rideable Dragon" by equipping their "Adventurer Token".
● I responded with "Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell".

Does opponent re-equip of "Dracoback, the Rideable Dragon" to the Token from their GY at that moment?[/quote:1w7vzdtr]
Yes, they are activating the effect of the Spell and not the Spell itself

Question #13:

[1] Opponent has 1 "Macro Cosmos" on their field as face-up and when they entered their Main Phase 1: They're activating "Pot of Extravagance".
[2] I am responded its activation by activating of "Blizzard".


What will happen of opponent activated "Pot of Extravagance"?

(Replay link: https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-37427362)

I hate konami

[quote="Cromat":24etkdn0]Question #13:

[1] Opponent has 1 "Macro Cosmos" on their field as face-up and when they entered their Main Phase 1: They're activating "Pot of Extravagance".
[2] I am responded its activation by activating of "Blizzard".


What will happen of opponent activated "Pot of Extravagance"?

(Replay link: https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-37427362)[/quote:24etkdn0]

Pot of Extravagance should be banished in this scenario. There was a special ruling put in place saying basically that Macro Cosmos's "banish instead" effect gets prioritized over Blizzard's "return to hand instead" effect: [url:24etkdn0]https://ygorganization.com/ocg-05-14-20-rulings-update/[/url:24etkdn0]

Q: Macro Cosmos is face-up in my Spell & Trap Zone. In this situation, when my opponent activates Twin Twisters, but I chain Blizzard and target that Twin Twisters, what happens?
A: In this scenario, the effect of Twin Twisters is negated by the effect of the chained Blizzard. After the Chain is finished resolving, Twin Twisters is banished by the effect of Macro Cosmos instead of being sent to the Graveyard. (It is not returned to your opponent’s hand by the effect of Blizzard.)

[quote="Genexwrecker":24etkdn0]its effect gets negated and then after the chain has finished resolving it returns to the hand[/quote:24etkdn0]

The source I linked to says the spell should be banished in such a scenario, not returned to the hand.

[quote="Christen57":1fb6yah0][quote="Cromat":1fb6yah0]Question #13:

[1] Opponent has 1 "Macro Cosmos" on their field as face-up and when they entered their Main Phase 1: They're activating "Pot of Extravagance".
[2] I am responded its activation by activating of "Blizzard".


What will happen of opponent activated "Pot of Extravagance"?

(Replay link: https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-37427362)[/quote:1fb6yah0]

Pot of Extravagance should be banished in this scenario. There was a special ruling put in place saying basically that Macro Cosmos's "banish instead" effect gets prioritized over Blizzard's "return to hand instead" effect: [url:1fb6yah0]https://ygorganization.com/ocg-05-14-20-rulings-update/[/url:1fb6yah0]

Q: Macro Cosmos is face-up in my Spell & Trap Zone. In this situation, when my opponent activates Twin Twisters, but I chain Blizzard and target that Twin Twisters, what happens?
A: In this scenario, the effect of Twin Twisters is negated by the effect of the chained Blizzard. After the Chain is finished resolving, Twin Twisters is banished by the effect of Macro Cosmos instead of being sent to the Graveyard. (It is not returned to your opponent’s hand by the effect of Blizzard.)

[quote="Genexwrecker":1fb6yah0]its effect gets negated and then after the chain has finished resolving it returns to the hand[/quote:1fb6yah0]

The source I linked to says the spell should be banished in such a scenario, not returned to the hand.[/quote:1fb6yah0]



(How dare you, Christen57; don't you know that Genexwrecker is the best Judge!)

[quote="Cromat":26z5llzg][quote="Christen57":26z5llzg][quote="Cromat":26z5llzg]Question #13:

[1] Opponent has 1 "Macro Cosmos" on their field as face-up and when they entered their Main Phase 1: They're activating "Pot of Extravagance".
[2] I am responded its activation by activating of "Blizzard".


What will happen of opponent activated "Pot of Extravagance"?

(Replay link: https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-37427362)[/quote:26z5llzg]

Pot of Extravagance should be banished in this scenario. There was a special ruling put in place saying basically that Macro Cosmos's "banish instead" effect gets prioritized over Blizzard's "return to hand instead" effect: [url:26z5llzg]https://ygorganization.com/ocg-05-14-20-rulings-update/[/url:26z5llzg]

Q: Macro Cosmos is face-up in my Spell & Trap Zone. In this situation, when my opponent activates Twin Twisters, but I chain Blizzard and target that Twin Twisters, what happens?
A: In this scenario, the effect of Twin Twisters is negated by the effect of the chained Blizzard. After the Chain is finished resolving, Twin Twisters is banished by the effect of Macro Cosmos instead of being sent to the Graveyard. (It is not returned to your opponent’s hand by the effect of Blizzard.)

[quote="Genexwrecker":26z5llzg]its effect gets negated and then after the chain has finished resolving it returns to the hand[/quote:26z5llzg]

The source I linked to says the spell should be banished in such a scenario, not returned to the hand.[/quote:26z5llzg]



(How dare you, Christen57; don't you know that Genexwrecker is the best Judge!)[/quote:26z5llzg]

How dare I what?

[quote="Christen57":3vib8t2z]How dare I what?[/quote:3vib8t2z]

Nothing, you just do not understood of the joke. Also according to your post that Genexwrecker is wrong.

[quote="Cromat":3km9lnyv][quote="Christen57":3km9lnyv]How dare I what?[/quote:3km9lnyv]

Nothing, you just do not understood of the joke. Also according to your post that Genexwrecker is wrong.[/quote:3km9lnyv]
Judges are not infallible

[quote="Christen57":3jayq235][quote="Cromat":3jayq235]Question #13:

[1] Opponent has 1 "Macro Cosmos" on their field as face-up and when they entered their Main Phase 1: They're activating "Pot of Extravagance".
[2] I am responded its activation by activating of "Blizzard".


What will happen of opponent activated "Pot of Extravagance"?

(Replay link: https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-37427362)[/quote:3jayq235]

Pot of Extravagance should be banished in this scenario. There was a special ruling put in place saying basically that Macro Cosmos's "banish instead" effect gets prioritized over Blizzard's "return to hand instead" effect: [url:3jayq235]https://ygorganization.com/ocg-05-14-20-rulings-update/[/url:3jayq235]

Q: Macro Cosmos is face-up in my Spell & Trap Zone. In this situation, when my opponent activates Twin Twisters, but I chain Blizzard and target that Twin Twisters, what happens?
A: In this scenario, the effect of Twin Twisters is negated by the effect of the chained Blizzard. After the Chain is finished resolving, Twin Twisters is banished by the effect of Macro Cosmos instead of being sent to the Graveyard. (It is not returned to your opponent’s hand by the effect of Blizzard.)

[quote="Genexwrecker":3jayq235]its effect gets negated and then after the chain has finished resolving it returns to the hand[/quote:3jayq235]

The source I linked to says the spell should be banished in such a scenario, not returned to the hand.[/quote:3jayq235]oh so this is one of those stupid ones nice to know I cant apply the game mechanics and effects normally here. good job.(for all intents and purposes it should be the other way around but konami do what konami do smh)

Isn't this the same scenario with pendulums? Just changing up where they go when they leave the field

[quote="Genexwrecker":l63z6rfj][quote="Christen57":l63z6rfj][quote="Cromat":l63z6rfj]Question #13:

[1] Opponent has 1 "Macro Cosmos" on their field as face-up and when they entered their Main Phase 1: They're activating "Pot of Extravagance".
[2] I am responded its activation by activating of "Blizzard".


What will happen of opponent activated "Pot of Extravagance"?

(Replay link: https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-37427362)[/quote:l63z6rfj]

Pot of Extravagance should be banished in this scenario. There was a special ruling put in place saying basically that Macro Cosmos's "banish instead" effect gets prioritized over Blizzard's "return to hand instead" effect: [url:l63z6rfj]https://ygorganization.com/ocg-05-14-20-rulings-update/[/url:l63z6rfj]

Q: Macro Cosmos is face-up in my Spell & Trap Zone. In this situation, when my opponent activates Twin Twisters, but I chain Blizzard and target that Twin Twisters, what happens?
A: In this scenario, the effect of Twin Twisters is negated by the effect of the chained Blizzard. After the Chain is finished resolving, Twin Twisters is banished by the effect of Macro Cosmos instead of being sent to the Graveyard. (It is not returned to your opponent’s hand by the effect of Blizzard.)

[quote="Genexwrecker":l63z6rfj]its effect gets negated and then after the chain has finished resolving it returns to the hand[/quote:l63z6rfj]

The source I linked to says the spell should be banished in such a scenario, not returned to the hand.[/quote:l63z6rfj]oh so this is one of those stupid ones nice to know I cant apply the game mechanics and effects normally here. good job.(for all intents and purposes it should be the other way around but konami do what konami do smh)[/quote:l63z6rfj]

Yeah, this ruling confused me too since the opposite ruling was given for Fantastic Striborg: [url:l63z6rfj]https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Fantastic_Striborg[/url:l63z6rfj]

For Fantastic Striborg, it's ruled that the tributed monster would indeed return to the hand instead of going to the graveyard, but in the case of Blizzard, it's ruled that the spell is banished instead of going to the graveyard.

[quote="Lil Oldman":3qrsk0b9]Isn't this the same scenario with pendulums? Just changing up where they go when they leave the field[/quote:3qrsk0b9]

That ruling is that, effects that would cause a pendulum to get banished instead of being sent to the graveyard will override the pendulum's mechanic of going to the extra deck instead of the graveyard.

[quote="greg503":1kops79b][quote="Cromat":1kops79b][quote="Christen57":1kops79b]How dare I what?[/quote:1kops79b]

Nothing, you just do not understood of the joke. Also according to your post that Genexwrecker is wrong.[/quote:1kops79b]
Judges are not infallible[/quote:1kops79b]
to be fair I was and am correct on the mechanic. konami just happens to have a giant fuck u installed here.

[quote="Genexwrecker":3kz9bruq][quote="greg503":3kz9bruq][quote="Cromat":3kz9bruq]

Nothing, you just do not understood of the joke. Also according to your post that Genexwrecker is wrong.[/quote:3kz9bruq]
Judges are not infallible[/quote:3kz9bruq]
to be fair I was and am correct on the mechanic. konami just happens to have a giant fuck u installed here.[/quote:3kz9bruq]
Exactly, just like with that silly Babycerasaurus ruling

Question #14:
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[1] Opponent paid 2000 LP and send of "Fusion Destiny" from their Main Deck to their GY after they Link Summoned of "Predaplant Verte Anaconda".
[2] After that, I sent of "Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring" from my hand to my GY for to prevent the opponent from using Fusion Materials.
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After all this, can the opponent Summon of "Destiny HERO - Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer" from their Extra Deck?

[quote="Cromat":1i8bne4a]Question #14:
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[1] Opponent paid 2000 LP and send of "Fusion Destiny" from their Main Deck to their GY after they Link Summoned of "Predaplant Verte Anaconda".
[2] After that, I sent of "Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring" from my hand to my GY for to prevent the opponent from using Fusion Materials.
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After all this, can the opponent Summon of "Destiny HERO - Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer" from their Extra Deck?[/quote:1i8bne4a]

Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring can't be chained to either of Predaplant Verte Anaconda's effects. [url:1i8bne4a]https://www.reddit.com/r/Yugioh101/comments/dsmx5p/question_can_be_predaplant_verte_anaconda_using/[/url:1i8bne4a]

[quote="Genexwrecker":uthao8mt][quote="greg503":uthao8mt][quote="Cromat":uthao8mt]

Nothing, you just do not understood of the joke. Also according to your post that Genexwrecker is wrong.[/quote:uthao8mt]
Judges are not infallible[/quote:uthao8mt]
to be fair I was and am correct on the mechanic. konami just happens to have a giant fuck u installed here.[/quote:uthao8mt]

I have a ruling question of my own. Can the new Mysterune spells that say "skip your next Battle Phase after this card resolves" be activated on the first turn of the duel, allowing me to bypass the "no attacking on the first turn" rule?

[1][quote="Christen57":3dvdwa8b]
Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring can't be chained to either of Predaplant Verte Anaconda's effects. [url:3dvdwa8b]https://www.reddit.com/r/Yugioh101/comments/dsmx5p/question_can_be_predaplant_verte_anaconda_using/[/url:3dvdwa8b][/quote:3dvdwa8b]
I know it, I read it before. But text of Fusion Destiny card says "using monsters from your hand or Deck as Fusion Material". I am wanted to prevent to send their Fusion Materials from their Main Deck to GY. When it happens, why Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring cannot be used here? I do not want to prevent the opponent from send their Spell to GY.


[2][quote="Christen57":3dvdwa8b]I have a ruling question of my own. Can the new Mysterune spells that say "skip your next Battle Phase after this card resolves" be activated on the first turn of the duel, allowing me to bypass the "no attacking on the first turn" rule?[/quote:3dvdwa8b]
If so when the Duel starts I drew of "Palladium Oracle Mahad" during the first turn of the Duel. Can I reveal it; and Special Summon from my hand?

[quote="Christen57":2m64fad3][quote="Genexwrecker":2m64fad3][quote="greg503":2m64fad3]
Judges are not infallible[/quote:2m64fad3]
to be fair I was and am correct on the mechanic. konami just happens to have a giant fuck u installed here.[/quote:2m64fad3]

I have a ruling question of my own. Can the new Mysterune spells that say "skip your next Battle Phase after this card resolves" be activated on the first turn of the duel, allowing me to bypass the "no attacking on the first turn" rule?[/quote:2m64fad3]
It will skip the battle phase of your next turn or the next possible turn that you have your battle phase.

[quote="Cromat":3sp4ms6p][1][quote="Christen57":3sp4ms6p]
Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring can't be chained to either of Predaplant Verte Anaconda's effects. [url:3sp4ms6p]https://www.reddit.com/r/Yugioh101/comments/dsmx5p/question_can_be_predaplant_verte_anaconda_using/[/url:3sp4ms6p][/quote:3sp4ms6p]
I know it, I read it before. But text of Fusion Destiny card says "using monsters from your hand or Deck as Fusion Material". I am wanted to prevent to send their Fusion Materials from their Main Deck to GY. When it happens, why Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring cannot be used here? I do not want to prevent the opponent from send their Spell to GY.


[2][quote="Christen57":3sp4ms6p]I have a ruling question of my own. Can the new Mysterune spells that say "skip your next Battle Phase after this card resolves" be activated on the first turn of the duel, allowing me to bypass the "no attacking on the first turn" rule?[/quote:3sp4ms6p]
If so when the Duel starts I drew of "Palladium Oracle Mahad" during the first turn of the Duel. Can I reveal it; and Special Summon from my hand? [/quote:3sp4ms6p]


Well, it seems that the answers to portion [1] and [2] are the same: "No."

[quote="Christen57":9frv7clo][quote="Genexwrecker":9frv7clo][quote="greg503":9frv7clo]
Judges are not infallible[/quote:9frv7clo]
to be fair I was and am correct on the mechanic. konami just happens to have a giant fuck u installed here.[/quote:9frv7clo]

I have a ruling question of my own. Can the new Mysterune spells that say "skip your next Battle Phase after this card resolves" be activated on the first turn of the duel, allowing me to bypass the "no attacking on the first turn" rule?[/quote:9frv7clo]
Yes, that is how they work, since you have a "next battle phase" on turn 3

[quote="Cromat":2iyhxv5b][1][quote="Christen57":2iyhxv5b]
Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring can't be chained to either of Predaplant Verte Anaconda's effects. [url:2iyhxv5b]https://www.reddit.com/r/Yugioh101/comments/dsmx5p/question_can_be_predaplant_verte_anaconda_using/[/url:2iyhxv5b][/quote:2iyhxv5b]
I know it, I read it before. But text of Fusion Destiny card says "using monsters from your hand or Deck as Fusion Material". I am wanted to prevent to send their Fusion Materials from their Main Deck to GY. When it happens, why Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring cannot be used here? I do not want to prevent the opponent from send their Spell to GY.[/quote:2iyhxv5b]

Predaplant Verte Anaconda sends the spell to the graveyard as a cost, not as part of the effect. Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring doesn't negate effects that send to the graveyard as a cost. It does negate effects that send to the graveyard as part of the effect, such as Foolish Burial.

Predaplant Verte Anaconda's effect isn't to add to the hand, send to the graveyard, or special summon, a card from the deck. Predaplant Verte Anaconda's effect is to simply copy another spell's effect. The fact that the spell being copied includes an effect that sends from the deck to the graveyard is irrelevant. Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring can only be chained to an effect that would directly add to the hand, send to the graveyard, or special summon, from the deck, not an effect that would only copy a separate effect that would do such things.

If so when the Duel starts I drew of "Palladium Oracle Mahad" during the first turn of the Duel. Can I reveal it; and Special Summon from my hand?

Drawing cards for your opening hand won't trigger any effects like Palladium Oracle Mahad's. You won't get to use that effect in such a scenario. The same is true for Lappis Dragon, a card with a similar effect. [url:2iyhxv5b]https://www.reddit.com/r/Yugioh101/comments/apojyt/lappis_dragon/[/url:2iyhxv5b]

[quote="Christen57":2drp7x1x]

If so when the Duel starts I drew of "Palladium Oracle Mahad" during the first turn of the Duel. Can I reveal it; and Special Summon from my hand?

Drawing cards for your opening hand won't trigger any effects like Palladium Oracle Mahad's. You won't get to use that effect in such a scenario. The same is true for Lappis Dragon, a card with a similar effect. [url:2drp7x1x]https://www.reddit.com/r/Yugioh101/comments/apojyt/lappis_dragon/[/url:2drp7x1x][/quote:2drp7x1x]

Reddit isn't a source. That link says Lappis doesn't trigger off of being drawn at all, opening hand or not.

While I don't think anything specifically says they don't trigger, given you draw your opening hand before the game begins good chance you won't trigger those effects by opening with those cards.

[quote="Christen57":1vagrdpr][quote="Cromat":1vagrdpr]Question #14:
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[1] Opponent paid 2000 LP and send of "Fusion Destiny" from their Main Deck to their GY after they Link Summoned of "Predaplant Verte Anaconda".
[2] After that, I sent of "Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring" from my hand to my GY for to prevent the opponent from using Fusion Materials.
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After all this, can the opponent Summon of "Destiny HERO - Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer" from their Extra Deck?[/quote:1vagrdpr]

Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring can't be chained to either of Predaplant Verte Anaconda's effects. [url:1vagrdpr]https://www.reddit.com/r/Yugioh101/comments/dsmx5p/question_can_be_predaplant_verte_anaconda_using/[/url:1vagrdpr][/quote:1vagrdpr]
Please DO NOT ever use reddit as a source when answering ruling questions it is not a source.

Question #15:

Opponent drew 1 card from their Main Deck by effect of "Santa Claws" while I control a face-up "Mystic Mine", I told them that you cannot draw. They were drew of "Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring". They shuffled of "Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring" into their Main Deck and said to me go on to Duel. I said "Illegal drawn cards must be place to top of Deck and Deck shouldn't be shuffled." Therefore "Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring" must be stay to my opponent's hand, they must enter their Draw Phase without draw card, am I correct?

● Opponent shuffled of "Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring" into their Main Deck and wanted to continue to Duel with it.
● Replay link: https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-37579875


How do you assess the situation?

I reveal the ash blossom and have the player place it on top of the deck without shuffling. Infringing player gets procedural error minor warning

[quote="Cromat":qnrbqfx6]Question #15:

Opponent drew 1 card from their Main Deck by effect of "Santa Claws" while I control a face-up "Mystic Mine", I told them that you cannot draw. They were drew of "Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring". They shuffled of "Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring" into their Main Deck and said to me go on to Duel. I said "Illegal drawn cards must be place to top of Deck and Deck shouldn't be shuffled." Therefore "Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring" must be stay to my opponent's hand, they must enter their Draw Phase without draw card, am I correct?

● Opponent shuffled of "Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring" into their Main Deck and wanted to continue to Duel with it.
● Replay link: https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-37579875


How do you assess the situation?[/quote:qnrbqfx6]
That situation, don't apply

Question 16:

[1] Opponent Flip Summoned of "Krawler Axon" and activated its effect by targeting my "Prohibition".
[2] I responded with "Effect Veiler".
[3] Opponent activated their "Dark Factory of More Production" by sending of "Krawler Axon" to the GY.
[4] I activated my "Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring" for to prevent the opponent from drawing 1 card.

● Opponent says "Prohibition" is still gonna be destroyed because "Krawler Axon" is no longer on the field as face-up, therefore "Effect Veiler" cannot negate it.


Is the opponent telling the truth, or was he/she attempted to cheating?

[quote="Cromat":k4wxys2p]Question 16:

[1] Opponent Flip Summoned of "Krawler Axon" and activated its effect by targeting my "Prohibition".
[2] I responded with "Effect Veiler".
[3] Opponent activated their "Dark Factory of More Production" by sending of "Krawler Axon" to the GY.
[4] I activated my "Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring" for to prevent the opponent from drawing 1 card.

● Opponent says "Prohibition" is still gonna be destroyed because "Krawler Axon" is no longer on the field as face-up, therefore "Effect Veiler" cannot negate it.


Is the opponent telling the truth, or was he/she attempted to cheating?[/quote:k4wxys2p]
Yes, Effect Veiler fizzles in this situation

Follow up question: Does this situation also apply if Axon is placed face-down by World Legacy Pawns / Book of Moon?

[quote="Cromat":1x9p5tpl]Question 16:

[1] Opponent Flip Summoned of "Krawler Axon" and activated its effect by targeting my "Prohibition".
[2] I responded with "Effect Veiler".
[3] Opponent activated their "Dark Factory of More Production" by sending of "Krawler Axon" to the GY.
[4] I activated my "Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring" for to prevent the opponent from drawing 1 card.

● Opponent says "Prohibition" is still gonna be destroyed because "Krawler Axon" is no longer on the field as face-up, therefore "Effect Veiler" cannot negate it.


Is the opponent telling the truth, or was he/she attempted to cheating?[/quote:1x9p5tpl]

No answer on if they were telling the truth or cheating, but they were right. The monster has to be face-up for Effect Veiler to negate its effects, Effect Veiler even gives additional clarification by saying so on the card.

[quote="Lil Oldman":2tlcukix]Follow up question: Does this situation also apply if Axon is placed face-down by World Legacy Pawns / Book of Moon?[/quote:2tlcukix]

They also would fail the requirements of Veiler's text saying "negate the effects of that face-up monster".

Question #17:

[1] During my turn: I activated "Harpie's Feather Duster" to destroy their "Salamangreat Sanctuary" while they have a "Salamangreat Balelynx" in their GY and I have a face-up "Mystic Mine" on my Field Zone.

[2] Opponent banished of "Salamangreat Balelynx" from their GY for protect their Field Spell.

● I checked and see this; the following part of the effect of the card that was banished by the opponent was the 'Unclassified' Effect ("If a "Salamangreat" card(s) you control would be destroyed by battle or card effect, you can banish this card from your GY instead.").



Banishing of "Salamangreat Balelynx" was illegal here or Unclassified monster effects can be used even under of "Mystic Mine"? (Do not forget to review the recording to see what happened during the Duel. Replay Link: https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-37713955)

[quote="Cromat":34u87xx2]Question #17:

[1] During my turn: I activated "Harpie's Feather Duster" to destroy their "Salamangreat Sanctuary" while they have a "Salamangreat Balelynx" in their GY and I have a face-up "Mystic Mine" on my Field Zone.

[2] Opponent banished of "Salamangreat Balelynx" from their GY for protect their Field Spell.

● I checked and see this; the following part of the effect of the card that was banished by the opponent was the 'Unclassified' Effect ("If a "Salamangreat" card(s) you control would be destroyed by battle or card effect, you can banish this card from your GY instead.").



Banishing of "Salamangreat Balelynx" was illegal here or Unclassified monster effects can be used even under of "Mystic Mine"? (Do not forget to review the recording to see what happened during the Duel. Replay Link: https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-37713955)[/quote:34u87xx2]

Salamangreat Balelynx's effect to banish itself from the graveyard to shield a card from destruction isn't an effect that "activates," so that could be used even under Mystic Mine.

[quote="Cromat":38pjal7f]Question #17:

[1] During my turn: I activated "Harpie's Feather Duster" to destroy their "Salamangreat Sanctuary" while they have a "Salamangreat Balelynx" in their GY and I have a face-up "Mystic Mine" on my Field Zone.

[2] Opponent banished of "Salamangreat Balelynx" from their GY for protect their Field Spell.

● I checked and see this; the following part of the effect of the card that was banished by the opponent was the 'Unclassified' Effect ("If a "Salamangreat" card(s) you control would be destroyed by battle or card effect, you can banish this card from your GY instead.").



Banishing of "Salamangreat Balelynx" was illegal here or Unclassified monster effects can be used even under of "Mystic Mine"? (Do not forget to review the recording to see what happened during the Duel. Replay Link: https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-37713955)[/quote:38pjal7f]
I think it is the same situation as Return of the Dragon Lords and Utopia The Lightning. Return (Or in this case, Balelynx) never activate nor start a chain, since they don't have a ":", they are just used.

[quote="Cromat":27sia1a4]Question #17:

[1] During my turn: I activated "Harpie's Feather Duster" to destroy their "Salamangreat Sanctuary" while they have a "Salamangreat Balelynx" in their GY and I have a face-up "Mystic Mine" on my Field Zone.

[2] Opponent banished of "Salamangreat Balelynx" from their GY for protect their Field Spell.

● I checked and see this; the following part of the effect of the card that was banished by the opponent was the 'Unclassified' Effect ("If a "Salamangreat" card(s) you control would be destroyed by battle or card effect, you can banish this card from your GY instead.").



Banishing of "Salamangreat Balelynx" was illegal here or Unclassified monster effects can be used even under of "Mystic Mine"? (Do not forget to review the recording to see what happened during the Duel. Replay Link: https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-37713955)[/quote:27sia1a4]

Mystic Mine specifically says the player with the most monsters cannot ACTIVATE monster effects, Mystic Mine does not negate continuous effects, neither prevents players from using unclassified effects that do not activate.

Question #18:

[1] I activated of "Prohibiton" by declaring name of "Eldlich the Golden Lord".
[2] Opponent activated of "Eldlixir of Scarlet Sanguine" as Chain Link 2.
[3] After 3 seconds activated of "Conquistador of the Golden Land" as Chain Link 3.

When they realized that they couldn't destroy of "Prohibiton" with "Conquistador of the Golden Land", they wanted to change of their Chain Link order [as Chain Link 2 is 'Conquistador' and 3 is 'Sanguine']

(https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-37743324)


Share your thoughts on the subject. (For example; What would happened if the Judge has arrived?)

[quote="Cromat":c00fz6z7]Question #18:

[1] I activated of "Prohibiton" by declaring name of "Eldlich the Golden Lord".
[2] Opponent activated of "Eldlixir of Scarlet Sanguine" as Chain Link 2.
[3] After 3 seconds activated of "Conquistador of the Golden Land" as Chain Link 3.

When they realized that they couldn't destroy of "Prohibiton" with "Conquistador of the Golden Land", they wanted to change of their Chain Link order [as Chain Link 2 is 'Conquistador' and 3 is 'Sanguine']

(https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-37743324)


Share your thoughts on the subject. (For example; What would happened if the Judge has arrived?)[/quote:c00fz6z7]
Question: On which turn did you activate Duality?
With Prohibiton on the field, your opponent cannot summon Eldlich

[quote="DarwisBellium92":3byz3m1p][quote="Cromat":3byz3m1p]Question #18:

[1] I activated of "Prohibiton" by declaring name of "Eldlich the Golden Lord".
[2] Opponent activated of "Eldlixir of Scarlet Sanguine" as Chain Link 2.
[3] After 3 seconds activated of "Conquistador of the Golden Land" as Chain Link 3.

When they realized that they couldn't destroy of "Prohibiton" with "Conquistador of the Golden Land", they wanted to change of their Chain Link order [as Chain Link 2 is 'Conquistador' and 3 is 'Sanguine']

(https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-37743324)


Share your thoughts on the subject. (For example; What would happened if the Judge has arrived?)[/quote:3byz3m1p]
Question: On which turn did you activate Duality?
With Prohibiton on the field, your opponent cannot summon Eldlich[/quote:3byz3m1p]
My opponent activated their "Pot of Duality" during their Main Phase, I responded it with "Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell". They probably wanted to do something before "Prohibiton" resolves. Same like Chain Link 1 is activated "Heat Wave" and Chain Link 2 as activated "Eldlixir of Scarlet Sanguine", thus they can Special Summon of "Eldlich the Golden Lord" before "Heat Wave" resolves.

[quote="Cromat":1p142jyz][quote="DarwisBellium92":1p142jyz][quote="Cromat":1p142jyz]Question #18:

[1] I activated of "Prohibiton" by declaring name of "Eldlich the Golden Lord".
[2] Opponent activated of "Eldlixir of Scarlet Sanguine" as Chain Link 2.
[3] After 3 seconds activated of "Conquistador of the Golden Land" as Chain Link 3.

When they realized that they couldn't destroy of "Prohibiton" with "Conquistador of the Golden Land", they wanted to change of their Chain Link order [as Chain Link 2 is 'Conquistador' and 3 is 'Sanguine']

(https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-37743324)


Share your thoughts on the subject. (For example; What would happened if the Judge has arrived?)[/quote:1p142jyz]
Question: On which turn did you activate Duality?
With Prohibiton on the field, your opponent cannot summon Eldlich[/quote:1p142jyz]
My opponent activated their "Pot of Duality" during their Main Phase, I responded it with "Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell". They probably wanted to do something before "Prohibiton" resolves. Same like Chain Link 1 is activated "Heat Wave" and Chain Link 2 as activated "Eldlixir of Scarlet Sanguine", thus they can Special Summon of "Eldlich the Golden Lord" before "Heat Wave" resolves.[/quote:1p142jyz]
First of all, Heat Wave you must activate it BEFORE Prohibition during your Main Phase 1.

[quote="Cromat":ml7eitg8]I know how to use of "Heat Wave", I just gave a similar example parallel about Question 18.

Anyway, according the Question 18's scenario, what should be done? Were you allow to opponent to change their Chain Link order for his/her favor and let the take advantage of the opponent or did I do the correct thing by calling Judge(s). I don't know, maybe when Judge(s) arrives, they'll allow to my opponent's that act. But I don't think so.[/quote:ml7eitg8]
You both could have been sharking in this scenario

[quote="greg503":bomky1g1][quote="Cromat":bomky1g1]I know how to use of "Heat Wave", I just gave a similar example parallel about Question 18.

Anyway, according the Question 18's scenario, what should be done? Were you allow to opponent to change their Chain Link order for his/her favor and let the take advantage of the opponent or did I do the correct thing by calling Judge(s). I don't know, maybe when Judge(s) arrives, they'll allow to my opponent's that act. But I don't think so.[/quote:bomky1g1]
You both could have been sharking in this scenario[/quote:bomky1g1]

Did you view the duel record which is placed to Question 18?

[quote="Cromat":3jpeaxt7][quote="greg503":3jpeaxt7][quote="Cromat":3jpeaxt7]I know how to use of "Heat Wave", I just gave a similar example parallel about Question 18.

Anyway, according the Question 18's scenario, what should be done? Were you allow to opponent to change their Chain Link order for his/her favor and let the take advantage of the opponent or did I do the correct thing by calling Judge(s). I don't know, maybe when Judge(s) arrives, they'll allow to my opponent's that act. But I don't think so.[/quote:3jpeaxt7]
You both could have been sharking in this scenario[/quote:3jpeaxt7]

Did you view the duel record which is placed to Question 18?[/quote:3jpeaxt7]
I'm just saying that the situation is complicated enough to warrant judge calls

[quote="greg503":1v45uy24][quote="Cromat":1v45uy24][quote="greg503":1v45uy24]
You both could have been sharking in this scenario[/quote:1v45uy24]

Did you view the duel record which is placed to Question 18?[/quote:1v45uy24]
I'm just saying that the situation is complicated enough to warrant judge calls[/quote:1v45uy24]

How could they both have been sharking? The situation was that Cromat's opponent activated something as chain link 2 then something else as chain link 3, then decided they wanted to "rewind" and instead activate the chain link 2 effect as chain link 3 and vice versa.

Either Cromat alone was trying to shark by not letting his opponent rewind, or that opponent was trying to cheat by taking back a misplay.

[quote="Cromat":3lqdjfkd]Question #18:

[1] I activated of "Prohibiton" by declaring name of "Eldlich the Golden Lord".
[2] Opponent activated of "Eldlixir of Scarlet Sanguine" as Chain Link 2.
[3] After 3 seconds activated of "Conquistador of the Golden Land" as Chain Link 3.

When they realized that they couldn't destroy of "Prohibiton" with "Conquistador of the Golden Land", they wanted to change of their Chain Link order [as Chain Link 2 is 'Conquistador' and 3 is 'Sanguine']

(https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-37743324)


Share your thoughts on the subject. (For example; What would happened if the Judge has arrived?)[/quote:3lqdjfkd]
I would rule it as cl1 prohibition
cl2 scarlet sanguine
cl3 conquistador
would also inform your opponent that they cant activate all their traps then determine their order like they would trigger effects their chain order is the order they are activated in. then i would force that chain to resolve.

[quote="Christen57":2h26wb7r][quote="greg503":2h26wb7r][quote="Cromat":2h26wb7r]

Did you view the duel record which is placed to Question 18?[/quote:2h26wb7r]
I'm just saying that the situation is complicated enough to warrant judge calls[/quote:2h26wb7r]

How could they both have been sharking? The situation was that Cromat's opponent activated something as chain link 2 then something else as chain link 3, then decided they wanted to "rewind" and instead activate the chain link 2 effect as chain link 3 and vice versa.

Either Cromat alone was trying to shark by not letting his opponent rewind, or that opponent was trying to cheat by taking back a misplay.[/quote:2h26wb7r]
Neither was sharking and neither was cheating here. one player thought they could activate all their traps then determine their chain links and the other disagreed. simple ruling issue that just needs a judge to be resolved nothing malicious from either party occurring here

Skill drain negates all effects on the field, but does not prevent activations. Raye can tribute itself and it should summon an sky striker ace from the extra deck, since she left the field and is no longer subject to Skill Drain's effect.

[quote="Cromat":3ldneode]Question #19:
Your opponent Normal Summons of "Sky Striker Ace - Raye" while you control "Skill Drain" as face-up. Attacks you directly with "Sky Striker Ace - Raye" to you. You are activating "Dimensional Prison" for that. Your opponent activates Quick Effect of "Sky Striker Ace - Raye" for survive from your just activated Trap and tributes it. But not Summons monster to the Extra Monster Zone by saying "Skill Drain" is applying therefore cannot Summon.

In the scenario above, is the opponent telling the truth or have they tried to cheat (assuming you have "Mystic Mine" in your hand)?[/quote:3ldneode]

Assume they are telling the truth and inform them the effect is not negated as Raye is no longer on the field, as Skill Drain's text says the monster has to remain face-up. No reason to think a player is lying over something they could easily just be mistaken about.

[quote="Cromat":25ighwci]Question #19:
Your opponent Normal Summons of "Sky Striker Ace - Raye" while you control "Skill Drain" as face-up. Attacks you directly with "Sky Striker Ace - Raye" to you. You are activating "Dimensional Prison" for that. Your opponent activates Quick Effect of "Sky Striker Ace - Raye" for survive from your just activated Trap and tributes it. But not Summons monster to the Extra Monster Zone by saying "Skill Drain" is applying therefore cannot Summon.

In the scenario above, is the opponent telling the truth or have they tried to cheat (assuming you have "Mystic Mine" in your hand)?[/quote:25ighwci]

Skill Drain only negates the effects of a monster while they're face-up on the field, since "Sky Striker Ace Raye" leaves the field by the cost to activate its effect, it won't be negated by "Skill Drain".
I think it was just a mistake of the player not understanding how Skill Drain really works.

[quote="Cromat":3iu7qhit]Question #20:
After you take 5600 damage to your LP by attack of "Despian Quaeritis" and "Dramaturge of Despia"; you're activating your face-down "Evenly Matched". With it; your opponent is banishing of "Despian Quaeritis" from their field as face-down.

Can your opponent add to their hand, or Special Summon, 1 "Fallen of Albaz" or 1 "Despia" monster, from their Deck by effect of "Despian Quaeritis"?[/quote:3iu7qhit]

Monsters with "if this face-up card in its owner's control leaves the field" effects can't trigger those effects upon being banished face-down. Despian Quaeritis won't be able to activate the effect you're referring to in your scenario.

[quote="Christen57":i7lit3ve][quote="Cromat":i7lit3ve]Question #20:
After you take 5600 damage to your LP by attack of "Despian Quaeritis" and "Dramaturge of Despia"; you're activating your face-down "Evenly Matched". With it; your opponent is banishing of "Despian Quaeritis" from their field as face-down.

Can your opponent add to their hand, or Special Summon, 1 "Fallen of Albaz" or 1 "Despia" monster, from their Deck by effect of "Despian Quaeritis"?[/quote:i7lit3ve]

Monsters with "if this face-up card in its owner's control leaves the field" effects can't trigger those effects upon being banished face-down. Despian Quaeritis won't be able to activate the effect you're referring to in your scenario.[/quote:i7lit3ve]
To go a bit beyond this, face down monsters cannot activate their effects. (Very few monsters can through their own card text).

[quote="Cromat":uqlh3mtd]Question #20:
After you take 5600 damage to your LP by attack of "Despian Quaeritis" and "Dramaturge of Despia"; you're activating your face-down "Evenly Matched". With it; your opponent is banishing of "Despian Quaeritis" from their field as face-down.

Can your opponent add to their hand, or Special Summon, 1 "Fallen of Albaz" or 1 "Despia" monster, from their Deck by effect of "Despian Quaeritis"?[/quote:uqlh3mtd]

Cards that are banished face-down cannot activate their effects unless they specifically state that. Also, evenly matched does not banish the monsters, it's the opponent that does it, that's why it can bypass "unaffected" clauses. Evenly Matched's actual effect is forcing the opponent to banish their cards, so it's not an effect that is making them leave the field. It's one of those cases where a card affects a player, not the cards.

As an additional ruling, cards like Herald of the Abyss and Share the Pain won't trigger Quaeritis' effect as well, since it's not leaving the field because of an opponent's card effect. There's a precedent for that with the Share the Pain vs Evilswarm Coppelia, here's the link: [url:uqlh3mtd]https://www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/faq_search.action?ope=5&fid=12517&request_locale=ja[/url:uqlh3mtd]

[quote="Fredblade":hzs0c035]It's one of those cases where a card affects a player[/quote:hzs0c035]

I have yet to ever see someone say what that phrase is even supposed to mean, or how you're supposed to see it in card text. When people use it they seem to be saying conflicting things or things that don't make any sense.

So far all I see here is that the specific phrases "make your opponent" or "your opponent must" isn't something that affects monsters or move them by card effect when used on texts that have the potential to move monsters on the field off the field.

[quote="80808080":23adz6te]
I have yet to ever see someone say what that phrase is even supposed to mean, or how you're supposed to see it in card text. When people use it they seem to be saying conflicting things or things that don't make any sense.
[/quote:23adz6te]

It is literally what it says. Also, what's the conflicting stuff they say? Caring about cards that affect a player is a mechanic that the game has used in so few obscure scenarios, like Mystical Refpanel.

[quote="Fredblade":d0nfea47][quote="80808080":d0nfea47]
I have yet to ever see someone say what that phrase is even supposed to mean, or how you're supposed to see it in card text. When people use it they seem to be saying conflicting things or things that don't make any sense.
[/quote:d0nfea47]

It is literally what it says. Also, what's the conflicting stuff they say? Caring about cards that affect a player is a mechanic that the game has used in so few obscure scenarios, like Mystical Refpanel.[/quote:d0nfea47]

Mystical Refpanel has nothing to do with this scenario though. "Target a player" is just a meme.

[quote="80808080":3pyzcqmx][quote="Fredblade":3pyzcqmx][quote="80808080":3pyzcqmx]
I have yet to ever see someone say what that phrase is even supposed to mean, or how you're supposed to see it in card text. When people use it they seem to be saying conflicting things or things that don't make any sense.
[/quote:3pyzcqmx]

It is literally what it says. Also, what's the conflicting stuff they say? Caring about cards that affect a player is a mechanic that the game has used in so few obscure scenarios, like Mystical Refpanel.[/quote:3pyzcqmx]

Mystical Refpanel has nothing to do with this scenario though. "Target a player" is just a meme.[/quote:3pyzcqmx]
Mystical Refpanel has an entire thing in the OCG database where they tell you if it can work on any given spell

[quote="greg503":3u5psqpx][quote="80808080":3u5psqpx][quote="Fredblade":3u5psqpx]

It is literally what it says. Also, what's the conflicting stuff they say? Caring about cards that affect a player is a mechanic that the game has used in so few obscure scenarios, like Mystical Refpanel.[/quote:3u5psqpx]

Mystical Refpanel has nothing to do with this scenario though. "Target a player" is just a meme.[/quote:3u5psqpx]
Mystical Refpanel has an entire thing in the OCG database where they tell you if it can work on any given spell[/quote:3u5psqpx]

Well, it has a small database list at least, but yeah, it's completely unrelated to the whole "affects a player" thing, though I guess they're both probably memes anyways, "targets a player" is just troll code for "what does Refpanel do?" Ygorganization has that extended list of stuff they'd expect Refpanel to work with or not to boot, but none of it relates to unaffected stuff.

[quote="80808080":2jxyht1j][quote="greg503":2jxyht1j][quote="80808080":2jxyht1j]

Mystical Refpanel has nothing to do with this scenario though. "Target a player" is just a meme.[/quote:2jxyht1j]
Mystical Refpanel has an entire thing in the OCG database where they tell you if it can work on any given spell[/quote:2jxyht1j]

Well, it has a small database list at least, but yeah, it's completely unrelated to the whole "affects a player" thing, though I guess they're both probably memes anyways, "targets a player" is just troll code for "what does Refpanel do?" Ygorganization has that extended list of stuff they'd expect Refpanel to work with or not to boot, but none of it relates to unaffected stuff.[/quote:2jxyht1j]
You see, technically Evenly Matched is an effect you make your opponent perform, so it's "their effect" and can affect cards that wouldn't be affect by your (the Evenly user's) effects, iirc.

Question #21:

Opponent has "Destiny HERO - Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer" in Defense Position its reason is that was Summoned during opponent's Standby Phase by its own effect, also has "Wandering Gryphon Rider" that one was not Summon same turn as Special Summon, has "Knightmare Unicorn" in Attack Position, and has a "Adventurer Token" in Defense Position that is not Summoned this turn. Opponent is switching their all monster to Attack Position and entering Battle Phase and attacking to me directly. I am saying "Destiny HERO - Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer" must be in Defense Position because it is Summoned by Special this turn. Opponent is did rewind that game as switching back of phase to the Main Phase 1, and the "Destiny HERO - Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer" to Defense Position by saying that is how gamestate is repaired now. I said you cannot take your move back, that Fusion will stay in Defense Position and your other monster's attacks are continuing (by the way when entered of Battle Phase: First attacked monster was not that the Fusion one). Also after that, opponent called me as you're sharking here. After they talked me with that way, I called of Judge(s) by pausing the game because, they re-switched of the phase to Main Phase 1 and Summoned else Fusion Monster. I am thinking they're trying to shark here. How should this situation be resolved, what is your decision as a Judge(s)?

● Were you allow to my opponent that rewind the phase of Main Phase 1 back and ignoring opponent's other monsters's attacks?
● Were you allow to game's continue from Battle Phase and only rewind the position of "Destiny HERO - Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer"?


(Of course I lost of the Duel by timed out as usual.)
(Here is the replay link: https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-38639716)

[quote="Cromat":2w5a0cue]Question #21:

Opponent has "Destiny HERO - Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer" in Defense Position its reason is that was Summoned during opponent's Standby Phase by its own effect, also has "Wandering Gryphon Rider" that one was not Summon same turn as Special Summon, has "Knightmare Unicorn" in Attack Position, and has a "Adventurer Token" in Defense Position that is not Summoned this turn. Opponent is switching their all monster to Attack Position and entering Battle Phase and attacking to me directly. I am saying "Destiny HERO - Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer" must be in Defense Position because it is Summoned by Special this turn. Opponent is did rewind that game as switching back of phase to the Main Phase 1, and the "Destiny HERO - Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer" to Defense Position by saying that is how gamestate is repaired now. I said you cannot take your move back, that Fusion will stay in Defense Position and your other monster's attacks are continuing (by the way when entered of Battle Phase: First attacked monster was not that the Fusion one). Also after that, opponent called me as you're sharking here. After they talked me with that way, I called of Judge(s) by pausing the game because, they re-switched of the phase to Main Phase 1 and Summoned else Fusion Monster. I am thinking they're trying to shark here. How should this situation be resolved, what is your decision as a Judge(s)?

● Were you allow to my opponent that rewind the phase of Main Phase 1 back and ignoring opponent's other monsters's attacks?
● Were you allow to game's continue from Battle Phase and only rewind the position of "Destiny HERO - Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer"?


(Of course I lost of the Duel by timed out as usual.)
(Here is the replay link: https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-38639716)[/quote:2w5a0cue]
What matters in this ruling is first, if the opponent changed the battle position of their other monsters to attempt to otk, and second, how much you think they meant to put DPE in Attack to begin with

[quote="greg503":zt2om61h]What matters in this ruling is first, if the opponent changed the battle position of their other monsters to attempt to otk, and second, how much you think they meant to put DPE in Attack to begin with[/quote:zt2om61h]

I would take only 6200 damage by attack of "Knightmare Unicorn", "Wandering Gryphon Rider" and the "Adventurer Token". They wanted to finish the Duel in 1 turn by switching their all monsters to Attack Position. With "Destiny HERO - Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer" the damage I will take would be as 8700. Opponent is Special Summoned of "Destiny HERO - Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer" in Defense Position from their GY by the way.

[quote="Cromat":21imv4ws][quote="greg503":21imv4ws]What matters in this ruling is first, if the opponent changed the battle position of their other monsters to attempt to otk, and second, how much you think they meant to put DPE in Attack to begin with[/quote:21imv4ws]

I would take only 6200 damage by attack of "Knightmare Unicorn", "Wandering Gryphon Rider" and the "Adventurer Token". They wanted to finish the Duel in 1 turn by switching their all monsters to Attack Position. With "Destiny HERO - Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer" the damage I will take would be as 8700. Opponent is Special Summoned of "Destiny HERO - Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer" in Defense Position from their GY by the way.[/quote:21imv4ws]
I saw

I was typing of "Question #21" while waiting Judge(s) arrives to Duel room, therefore I had to do of a paragraph, but; when I switch to the tab of DuelingBook, I saw that I have been timed out, so I decided to put Duel's replay link too; to the bottom of the text.

[quote="Cromat":irmx3vxg]Question #21:

Opponent has "Destiny HERO - Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer" in Defense Position its reason is that was Summoned during opponent's Standby Phase by its own effect, also has "Wandering Gryphon Rider" that one was not Summon same turn as Special Summon, has "Knightmare Unicorn" in Attack Position, and has a "Adventurer Token" in Defense Position that is not Summoned this turn. Opponent is switching their all monster to Attack Position and entering Battle Phase and attacking to me directly. I am saying "Destiny HERO - Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer" must be in Defense Position because it is Summoned by Special this turn. Opponent is did rewind that game as switching back of phase to the Main Phase 1, and the "Destiny HERO - Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer" to Defense Position by saying that is how gamestate is repaired now. I said you cannot take your move back, that Fusion will stay in Defense Position and your other monster's attacks are continuing (by the way when entered of Battle Phase: First attacked monster was not that the Fusion one). Also after that, opponent called me as you're sharking here. After they talked me with that way, I called of Judge(s) by pausing the game because, they re-switched of the phase to Main Phase 1 and Summoned else Fusion Monster. I am thinking they're trying to shark here. How should this situation be resolved, what is your decision as a Judge(s)?

● Were you allow to my opponent that rewind the phase of Main Phase 1 back and ignoring opponent's other monsters's attacks?
● Were you allow to game's continue from Battle Phase and only rewind the position of "Destiny HERO - Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer"?


(Of course I lost of the Duel by timed out as usual.)
(Here is the replay link: https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-38639716)[/quote:irmx3vxg]

If they summoned a monster in a certain position or zone they can't take it back and change the position or move it to another zone if it wasn't like immediately after summoning it, but if they commited initially to summon the monster in that respective position or zone and latter on they realized they messed up and want to change it, then it's their fault and they must commit to it.

And as a Judge I would just change the DPE back to defense and resume the battle phase from there.

[quote="Fredblade":1nnkftz2]
If they summoned a monster in a certain position or zone they can't take it back and change the position or move it to another zone if it wasn't like immediately after summoning it, but if they commited initially to summon the monster in that respective position or zone and latter on they realized they messed up and want to change it, then it's their fault and they must commit to it.

And as a Judge I would just change the DPE back to defense and resume the battle phase from there.[/quote:1nnkftz2]

The opponent tried to turn the situation in their favor, you can see it in replay too; that I paused the game and called Judge after they summoned "ABC-Dragon Buster". Thus, they are giving a chance to defeat me in 1 turn with themselves. They accuse me of sharking for their misplays. They do this on purpose, to say when the Judge(s) comes: "I told him I misplayed/misclicked, but he didn't admit it." Thus, when Judge arrives of Duel room, they'll have an advantage they're thinking as. Maybe they're hoping to Judge's says like that: "Yes, Cromat; your opponent has said that but you do not make cooperation with your opponent?". Actually, they Summoned of "Destiny HERO - Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer" in Defense Position, after that, they forget it because they Summoned more more monster. During that moment, when they realized their misplay, they attempted to switch to issue in their favor by rewinding to phase to Main Phase 1 and Summoning of "ABC-Dragon Buster". With these; they know that they can finish to Duel by defeating me in 1 turn.

Honestly, I would expect one of the Judge(s) here to answer this question, but thank you for your comments; also.

Actually, seeing that he has all the ABC pieces, I would let him go back to M1 and summon it to have lethal, though others might force them to miss lethal

Question #22:
Opponent attacked with their "Jizukiru, the Star Destroying Kaiju" to my "Gameciel, the Sea Turtle Kaiju" which was in Attack Position. I decreased my LP by 1100. But opponent activated their "Psychic Fervor" by saying "Damage Step". I negated that Spell by using "Dark Bribe". After that, the opponent activated their "Limiter Removal" by saying "new chain".

● Opponent can do that? (Before I take damage; I had 3500 LP, so I lost of Duel?)

Yes they can. The steps or phases don't move forward just because you negated a card.

[quote="Renji Asuka":izdmxnnn]Yes they can. The steps or phases don't move forward just because you negated a card.[/quote:izdmxnnn]
The only exception is attack declaration

[quote="greg503":3npmzkzq][quote="Renji Asuka":3npmzkzq]Yes they can. The steps or phases don't move forward just because you negated a card.[/quote:3npmzkzq]
The only exception is attack declaration[/quote:3npmzkzq]
That moment when you negate mirror force and your opponent activates another, despite them activating on attack declaration in a new chain.

[quote="greg503":2y2x1xt8][quote="Renji Asuka":2y2x1xt8]Yes they can. The steps or phases don't move forward just because you negated a card.[/quote:2y2x1xt8]
The only exception is attack declaration[/quote:2y2x1xt8]

Attack Declaration isn't a Phase/Step. Declaring an attack is just an action you take that doesn't start a chain, like summoning a monster or changing battle position.

Question #23:
● During my opponent's Main Phase 1: They activated "Dark Magical Circle" while they control 1 "Magician's Rod".
● I activated "Dogmatika Punishment" by targeting their "Magician's Rod" and sent of my GY the "Elder Entity N'tss".

Does my Trap Card destroy my opponent's monster and "Elder Entity N'tss" destroy their Spell Card, thus they cannot applying that mentioned effect ("When this card is activated: Look at the top 3 cards of your Deck, then you can reveal 1 of them that is "Dark Magician" or a Spell/Trap that mentions "Dark Magician", and add it to your hand, also place the remaining cards on top of your Deck in any order.") of "Dark Magical Circle" correct?

[quote="Cromat":2biwp6l6]Question #23:
● During my opponent's Main Phase 1: They activated "Dark Magical Circle" while they control 1 "Magician's Rod".
● I activated "Dogmatika Punishment" by targeting their "Magician's Rod" and sent of my GY the "Elder Entity N'tss".

Does my Trap Card destroy my opponent's monster and "Elder Entity N'tss" destroy their Spell Card, thus they cannot applying that mentioned effect ("When this card is activated: Look at the top 3 cards of your Deck, then you can reveal 1 of them that is "Dark Magician" or a Spell/Trap that mentions "Dark Magician", and add it to your hand, also place the remaining cards on top of your Deck in any order.") of "Dark Magical Circle" correct?[/quote:2biwp6l6]
So Circle activates and you respond with Punishment.
If I am not mistaken, the chain starts to resolve, punishment sending ntss and destroying rod, then Circle resolves and allows them to look at the top 3 cards of their deck, then, in a new chain, you can activate Ntss.

[quote="Cromat":7sjpo4i5]Question #23:
● During my opponent's Main Phase 1: They activated "Dark Magical Circle" while they control 1 "Magician's Rod".
● I activated "Dogmatika Punishment" by targeting their "Magician's Rod" and sent of my GY the "Elder Entity N'tss".

Does my Trap Card destroy my opponent's monster and "Elder Entity N'tss" destroy their Spell Card, thus they cannot applying that mentioned effect ("When this card is activated: Look at the top 3 cards of your Deck, then you can reveal 1 of them that is "Dark Magician" or a Spell/Trap that mentions "Dark Magician", and add it to your hand, also place the remaining cards on top of your Deck in any order.") of "Dark Magical Circle" correct?[/quote:7sjpo4i5]

N'tss is activated in a new chain after the one where Dark Magical Circle and Dogmatika Punishment were activated, so it doesn't interrupt Dark Magical Circle.

Question #24:
● While opponent has no card in their Extra Deck: They activated as a Spell Card of "Anchamoufrite" and destroyed it on their own, and drew 1 card. A few turn later, they activated another "Anchamoufrite" as a Spell Card by saying "It says except "Anchamoufrite", so now; I can draw 1 card by destroying it.".

● After the above is done, I said "If so, you couldn't destroy the 1st "Anchamoufrite" and draw 1 card because there was no "Anchamoufrite" in your Extra Deck when you activate the 1st "Anchamoufrite" from hand as Spell."

● At Duel, opponent destroyed their 2nd "Anchamoufrite" by saying what in paragraph 1, and then they drew 1 card. What do you think; does opponent just cheated, or do they think they found a bug in KONAMI's kid's game that they can abuse, or all opponent's did was legal?

[quote="Cromat":zw9qmsfo]Question #24:
● While opponent has no card in their Extra Deck: They activated as a Spell Card of "Anchamoufrite" and destroyed it on their own, and drew 1 card. A few turn later, they activated another "Anchamoufrite" as a Spell Card by saying "It says except "Anchamoufrite", so now; I can draw 1 card by destroying it.".

● After the above is done, I said "If so, you couldn't destroy the 1st "Anchamoufrite" and draw 1 card because there was no "Anchamoufrite" in your Extra Deck when you activate the 1st "Anchamoufrite" from hand as Spell."

● At Duel, opponent destroyed their 2nd "Anchamoufrite" by saying what in paragraph 1, and then they drew 1 card. What do you think; does opponent just cheated, or do they think they found a bug in KONAMI's kid's game that they can abuse, or all opponent's did was legal?[/quote:zw9qmsfo]
All legal. Anchamoufrite says that as long as you don't have cards in the Extra Deck, with an exception being a copy of it, you can activate the effect, it doesn't say that you require a a copy of it on the Extra Deck.
https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Anchamoufrite
https://www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb ... _locale=ja

[quote="Lil Oldman":3hlufdfs][quote="Cromat":3hlufdfs]Question #24:
● While opponent has no card in their Extra Deck: They activated as a Spell Card of "Anchamoufrite" and destroyed it on their own, and drew 1 card. A few turn later, they activated another "Anchamoufrite" as a Spell Card by saying "It says except "Anchamoufrite", so now; I can draw 1 card by destroying it.".

● After the above is done, I said "If so, you couldn't destroy the 1st "Anchamoufrite" and draw 1 card because there was no "Anchamoufrite" in your Extra Deck when you activate the 1st "Anchamoufrite" from hand as Spell."

● At Duel, opponent destroyed their 2nd "Anchamoufrite" by saying what in paragraph 1, and then they drew 1 card. What do you think; does opponent just cheated, or do they think they found a bug in KONAMI's kid's game that they can abuse, or all opponent's did was legal?[/quote:3hlufdfs]
All legal. Anchamoufrite says that as long as you don't have cards in the Extra Deck, with an exception being a copy of it, you can activate the effect, it doesn't say that you require a a copy of it on the Extra Deck.
https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Anchamoufrite
https://www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb ... _locale=ja[/quote:3hlufdfs]

https://db.ygorganization.com/card#15987 A handy reference site for these purposes. Automatically links to the databases available to the cards for citation purposes in addition to carrying translations for many of them. Lets you utilize information from Konami and not have to go to places like Yugipedia.

Question #25:

● If I activate of "Prohibition" by declaring name of "Dodododwarf Gogogoglove", when opponent activated of "Onomatopaira", they cannot send of "Dodododwarf Gogogoglove" from their hand to their GY; correct?

● [ Similar example question: If "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" declared by activation of "Prohibition", me and
my opponent cannot discard of "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" when I and/or they activated "Trade-In"; right? ]

[quote="Cromat":1yozb7hg]Question #25:

● If I activate of "Prohibition" by declaring name of "Dodododwarf Gogogoglove", when opponent activated of "Onomatopaira", they cannot send of "Dodododwarf Gogogoglove" from their hand to their GY; correct?

● [ Similar example question: If "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" declared by activation of "Prohibition", me and
my opponent cannot discard of "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" when I and/or they activated "Trade-In"; right? ][/quote:1yozb7hg]
They are not allowed to place it on the field, have their battle position changed, activate their effects, or be used as material for another monster, unless they are already face-up on the field. They can still be used to pay costs.

Question #26:
What would happen; if I take control of 1 monster my opponent's by activating "Brain Control", but when entered the End Phase opponent has no place to put that monster back on their Monster Zone because there are 5 "Ojama Token" right now these were Summoned by my Traps. What would happen that monster?

[quote="Cromat":101jaqtu]Question #26:
What would happen; if I take control of 1 monster my opponent's by activating "Brain Control", but when entered the End Phase opponent has no place to put that monster back on their Monster Zone because there are 5 "Ojama Token" right now these were Summoned by my Traps. What would happen that monster?[/quote:101jaqtu]
No free monster zone in the your opponent field's, that monster is destroyed.

[quote="Cromat":37kw0ovr]Question #26:
What would happen; if I take control of 1 monster my opponent's by activating "Brain Control", but when entered the End Phase opponent has no place to put that monster back on their Monster Zone because there are 5 "Ojama Token" right now these were Summoned by my Traps. What would happen that monster?[/quote:37kw0ovr]

It should be sent to the GY, though if it's from the control change wearing off it's not considered destruction.

[quote="Wek":nzj3nqkk][quote="Cromat":nzj3nqkk]Question #26:
What would happen; if I take control of 1 monster my opponent's by activating "Brain Control", but when entered the End Phase opponent has no place to put that monster back on their Monster Zone because there are 5 "Ojama Token" right now these were Summoned by my Traps. What would happen that monster?[/quote:nzj3nqkk]

It should be sent to the GY, though if it's from the control change wearing off it's not considered destruction.[/quote:nzj3nqkk]
Sent by game mechanics, same for if a Galaxy-Eyes attempts to return to the field with no open Main Monster Zones

[quote="Cromat":27nf5kqx]Question #26:
What would happen; if I take control of 1 monster my opponent's by activating "Brain Control", but when entered the End Phase opponent has no place to put that monster back on their Monster Zone because there are 5 "Ojama Token" right now these were Summoned by my Traps. What would happen that monster?[/quote:27nf5kqx]

The monster that is attempting to return to the previous controller's field would be sent to the GY by game mechanics (in the case of Pendulum Monsters they're placed in the Extra Deck face-up, or if there are cards like Dimensional Fissure or Macro Cosmos, it would be banished instead). Game mechanics are not considered effects so they don't trigger any effect that says "by a card effect".

[quote="greg503":vzvcorw0][quote="Wek":vzvcorw0][quote="Cromat":vzvcorw0]Question #26:
What would happen; if I take control of 1 monster my opponent's by activating "Brain Control", but when entered the End Phase opponent has no place to put that monster back on their Monster Zone because there are 5 "Ojama Token" right now these were Summoned by my Traps. What would happen that monster?[/quote:vzvcorw0]

It should be sent to the GY, though if it's from the control change wearing off it's not considered destruction.[/quote:vzvcorw0]
Sent by game mechanics, same for if a Galaxy-Eyes attempts to return to the field with no open Main Monster Zones[/quote:vzvcorw0]

Yeah, I wouldn't expect it to be considered sent by card effect. Should be similar to the scenarios for when a control change effect resolves and tries to take a monster without available zones, with the exception instead of destruction it's just sent to GY, but still not by card effect. I find it a bit strange that control change wearing off without available zones isn't destruction while control change is, but the one ruling I see on control change wearing off indicated this one detail differed. https://db.ygorganization.com/qa#20771

[quote="Wek":22godo96][quote="greg503":22godo96][quote="Wek":22godo96]

It should be sent to the GY, though if it's from the control change wearing off it's not considered destruction.[/quote:22godo96]
Sent by game mechanics, same for if a Galaxy-Eyes attempts to return to the field with no open Main Monster Zones[/quote:22godo96]

Yeah, I wouldn't expect it to be considered sent by card effect. Should be similar to the scenarios for when a control change effect resolves and tries to take a monster without available zones, with the exception instead of destruction it's just sent to GY, but still not by card effect. I find it a bit strange that control change wearing off without available zones isn't destruction while control change is, but the one ruling I see on control change wearing off indicated this one detail differed. https://db.ygorganization.com/qa#20771[/quote:22godo96]

If a monster in the Extra Monster Zone changes control or leaves the field temporarily, it has to go to the Main Monster Zone, the Extra Monster Zone is only used when a monster is Special Summoned from the Extra Deck, you cannot place monsters in the Extra Monster Zone by any other method but summoning it from the Extra Deck. If there is no main monster zones available when the monster has to return to that field, it gets sent to the GY by game mechanics, what's the thing that is different in that ruling? Is the same thing.

[quote="Fredblade":1qao7qsd]
If a monster in the Extra Monster Zone changes control or leaves the field temporarily, it has to go to the Main Monster Zone, the Extra Monster Zone is only used when a monster is Special Summoned from the Extra Deck, you cannot place monsters in the Extra Monster Zone by any other method but summoning it from the Extra Deck. If there is no main monster zones available when the monster has to return to that field, it gets sent to the GY by game mechanics, what's the thing that is different in that ruling? Is the same thing.[/quote:1qao7qsd]

[quote="Wek":1qao7qsd]I find it a bit strange that control change wearing off without available zones isn't destruction while control change is, but the one ruling I see on control change wearing off indicated this one detail differed. https://db.ygorganization.com/qa#20771[/quote:1qao7qsd]

If you try to take control of a monster with an effect and have no available zones at resolution, that monster is destroyed. If your control change wears off on a monster and there's no available zones, it's sent to the GY.

[quote="Wek":1gxrkwsu][quote="Fredblade":1gxrkwsu]
If a monster in the Extra Monster Zone changes control or leaves the field temporarily, it has to go to the Main Monster Zone, the Extra Monster Zone is only used when a monster is Special Summoned from the Extra Deck, you cannot place monsters in the Extra Monster Zone by any other method but summoning it from the Extra Deck. If there is no main monster zones available when the monster has to return to that field, it gets sent to the GY by game mechanics, what's the thing that is different in that ruling? Is the same thing.[/quote:1gxrkwsu]

[quote="Wek":1gxrkwsu]I find it a bit strange that control change wearing off without available zones isn't destruction while control change is, but the one ruling I see on control change wearing off indicated this one detail differed. https://db.ygorganization.com/qa#20771[/quote:1gxrkwsu]

If you try to take control of a monster with an effect and have no available zones at resolution, that monster is destroyed. If your control change wears off on a monster and there's no available zones, it's sent to the GY.[/quote:1gxrkwsu]

I don't understand what you mean there, Wek(: If you try to take control of a monster with an effect and have no available zones at resolution, that monster is destroyed. [1]).
(Wek: If your control change wears off on a monster and there's no available zones, it's sent to the GY. [2])

I did not understand what did you mean at [1]. If I make my all Main Monster Zones and 1 my opponent's Main Monster Zone unusable by activating 3 "Ground Collapse", when I activated "Brain Control" and took control of "Silent Wobby" (for example) which was in my opponent's field, that "Silent Wobby" gonna be destroyed; according to your sentence [1]?

[quote="Cromat":nth7cagy][quote="Wek":nth7cagy][quote="Fredblade":nth7cagy]
If a monster in the Extra Monster Zone changes control or leaves the field temporarily, it has to go to the Main Monster Zone, the Extra Monster Zone is only used when a monster is Special Summoned from the Extra Deck, you cannot place monsters in the Extra Monster Zone by any other method but summoning it from the Extra Deck. If there is no main monster zones available when the monster has to return to that field, it gets sent to the GY by game mechanics, what's the thing that is different in that ruling? Is the same thing.[/quote:nth7cagy]

[quote="Wek":nth7cagy]I find it a bit strange that control change wearing off without available zones isn't destruction while control change is, but the one ruling I see on control change wearing off indicated this one detail differed. https://db.ygorganization.com/qa#20771[/quote:nth7cagy]

If you try to take control of a monster with an effect and have no available zones at resolution, that monster is destroyed. If your control change wears off on a monster and there's no available zones, it's sent to the GY.[/quote:nth7cagy]

I don't understand what you mean there, Wek(: If you try to take control of a monster with an effect and have no available zones at resolution, that monster is destroyed. [1]).
(Wek: If your control change wears off on a monster and there's no available zones, it's sent to the GY. [2])

I did not understand what did you mean at [1]. If I make my all Main Monster Zones and 1 my opponent's Main Monster Zone unusable by activating 3 "Ground Collapse", when I activated "Brain Control" and took control of "Silent Wobby" (for example) which was in my opponent's field, that "Silent Wobby" gonna be destroyed; according to your sentence [1]?[/quote:nth7cagy]
Here's an example, you control 4 monster in MMZs, you activate Mind Control and chain Call of the Haunted to bring back a monster in your GY. CotH resolves first, filling your last MMZ, then Mind Control resolves, and you have no available zones, destroying the target instead

[quote="Cromat":3cmtgkt7][quote="Wek":3cmtgkt7][quote="Fredblade":3cmtgkt7]
If a monster in the Extra Monster Zone changes control or leaves the field temporarily, it has to go to the Main Monster Zone, the Extra Monster Zone is only used when a monster is Special Summoned from the Extra Deck, you cannot place monsters in the Extra Monster Zone by any other method but summoning it from the Extra Deck. If there is no main monster zones available when the monster has to return to that field, it gets sent to the GY by game mechanics, what's the thing that is different in that ruling? Is the same thing.[/quote:3cmtgkt7]

[quote="Wek":3cmtgkt7]I find it a bit strange that control change wearing off without available zones isn't destruction while control change is, but the one ruling I see on control change wearing off indicated this one detail differed. https://db.ygorganization.com/qa#20771[/quote:3cmtgkt7]

If you try to take control of a monster with an effect and have no available zones at resolution, that monster is destroyed. If your control change wears off on a monster and there's no available zones, it's sent to the GY.[/quote:3cmtgkt7]

I don't understand what you mean there, Wek(: If you try to take control of a monster with an effect and have no available zones at resolution, that monster is destroyed. [1]).
(Wek: If your control change wears off on a monster and there's no available zones, it's sent to the GY. [2])

I did not understand what did you mean at [1]. If I make my all Main Monster Zones and 1 my opponent's Main Monster Zone unusable by activating 3 "Ground Collapse", when I activated "Brain Control" and took control of "Silent Wobby" (for example) which was in my opponent's field, that "Silent Wobby" gonna be destroyed; according to your sentence [1]?[/quote:3cmtgkt7]

You cannot legally activate Brain Control if you have no available main monster zones in your field to place that monster.

[quote="Fredblade":2zxt29wr]You cannot legally activate Brain Control if you have no available main monster zones in your field to place that monster.[/quote:2zxt29wr]

Yes, I know that too. I asked because of it, to understand what Wek actually meant.

[quote="Cromat":2xwnrrha][quote="Fredblade":2xwnrrha]You cannot legally activate Brain Control if you have no available main monster zones in your field to place that monster.[/quote:2xwnrrha]

Yes, I know that too. I asked because of it, to understand what Wek actually meant.[/quote:2xwnrrha]

You can activate Brain Control, then chain something that would block your zones, so at resolution the card that blocks the zones resolves first and then the Brain Control when it resolves there's no zones left so the monster it's attempting to take control of gets sent to the GY by game mechanics.

Another thing is that mandatory effect always activate independently of you having legal targets or not, for example the Charmers FLIP monsters will always activate their effect of taking control of an opponent's monster, even if you have already a full field, and the monster they targeted (if any) would get send to the GY by game mechanics at resolution.

If a monster is taken control of an effect such as mind control or brain control when the control of the monster is supposed to return to the original controller and they have no zones to place the monster in that monster is sent to the gy by game mechanics. It is considered destroyed.

[quote="Genexwrecker":2wcnu7jo]If a monster is taken control of an effect such as mind control or brain control when the control of the monster is supposed to return to the original controller and they have no zones to place the monster in that monster is sent to the gy by game mechanics. It is not considered destroyed.[/quote:2wcnu7jo]
And if you filled your zones in the chain before resolving the control spell?

[quote="greg503":1rgw51lf][quote="Genexwrecker":1rgw51lf]If a monster is taken control of an effect such as mind control or brain control when the control of the monster is supposed to return to the original controller and they have no zones to place the monster in that monster is sent to the gy by game mechanics. It is not considered destroyed.[/quote:1rgw51lf]
And if you filled your zones in the chain before resolving the control spell?[/quote:1rgw51lf]
same

Question #27: Opponent is activated "Numeron Network" during their Main Phase 1. I chained of "Blizzard" by targeting "Numeron Network". Can they still send from their Deck to the GY of "Numeron Calling"?

Sending from deck is a cost. They can still pitch Numeron Calling from their deck to the GY, however the effect will be negated.

[quote="Cromat":1r8n1cp9]Question #27: Opponent is activated "Numeron Network" during their Main Phase 1. I chained of "Blizzard" by targeting "Numeron Network". Can they still send from their Deck to the GY of "Numeron Calling"?[/quote:1r8n1cp9]
Before you even think about asking another question like this when it comes to cost.

Anything to the left of ; but to the right of : if any is a cost that must be paid before you are allowed to chain.

(regarding PSCT)

[quote="Cromat":3ohjdj9v]Question #27: Opponent is activated "Numeron Network" during their Main Phase 1. I chained of "Blizzard" by targeting "Numeron Network". Can they still send from their Deck to the GY of "Numeron Calling"?[/quote:3ohjdj9v]

They can still activate the effect of Numeron Network and pay the cost which is sending the a Numeron normal spell to the graveyard, however the effect will be negated.

[quote="Genexwrecker":16u0eyw3][quote="greg503":16u0eyw3][quote="Genexwrecker":16u0eyw3]If a monster is taken control of an effect such as mind control or brain control when the control of the monster is supposed to return to the original controller and they have no zones to place the monster in that monster is sent to the gy by game mechanics. It is not considered destroyed.[/quote:16u0eyw3]
And if you filled your zones in the chain before resolving the control spell?[/quote:16u0eyw3]
same[/quote:16u0eyw3]

Assuming "resolving the control spell" meant resolving its activated effect to take control rather than taking the action of having the control change wear off, it's destroyed, not just sent to GY.

[quote="Renji Asuka":3gd2c8sv][quote="Cromat":3gd2c8sv]Question #27: Opponent is activated "Numeron Network" during their Main Phase 1. I chained of "Blizzard" by targeting "Numeron Network". Can they still send from their Deck to the GY of "Numeron Calling"?[/quote:3gd2c8sv]
Before you even think about asking another question like this when it comes to cost.

Anything to the left of ; but to the right of : if any is a cost that must be paid before you are allowed to chain.

(regarding PSCT)[/quote:3gd2c8sv]
this is incorrect information please disregard Reji's post as not everything directly before the ; does not equate to costs. Targeting for example is not a cost but is performed upon activation which is the true meaning of the semi colon.

[quote="Genexwrecker":2myt0s5r][quote="Renji Asuka":2myt0s5r][quote="Cromat":2myt0s5r]Question #27: Opponent is activated "Numeron Network" during their Main Phase 1. I chained of "Blizzard" by targeting "Numeron Network". Can they still send from their Deck to the GY of "Numeron Calling"?[/quote:2myt0s5r]
Before you even think about asking another question like this when it comes to cost.

Anything to the left of ; but to the right of : if any is a cost that must be paid before you are allowed to chain.

(regarding PSCT)[/quote:2myt0s5r]
this is incorrect information please disregard Reji's post as not everything directly before the ; does not equate to costs. Targeting for example is not a cost but is performed upon activation which is the true meaning of the semi colon.[/quote:2myt0s5r]
I mean considering you must pay cost and in some cases such as target happens, it is still 2 things you need to do before your opponent responds, so it's easier to lump them together as these action still applies before your opponent can respond.

[quote="Genexwrecker":2pyuwgqz][quote="Renji Asuka":2pyuwgqz][quote="Cromat":2pyuwgqz]Question #27: Opponent is activated "Numeron Network" during their Main Phase 1. I chained of "Blizzard" by targeting "Numeron Network". Can they still send from their Deck to the GY of "Numeron Calling"?[/quote:2pyuwgqz]
Before you even think about asking another question like this when it comes to cost.

Anything to the left of ; but to the right of : if any is a cost that must be paid before you are allowed to chain.

(regarding PSCT)[/quote:2pyuwgqz]
this is incorrect information please disregard Reji's post as not everything directly before the ; does not equate to costs. Targeting for example is not a cost but is performed upon activation which is the true meaning of the semi colon.[/quote:2pyuwgqz]

Actually, Renji Asuka's probably right here. This article explains exactly what costs are. [url:2pyuwgqz]https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Cost[/url:2pyuwgqz]

A cost (Japanese: コスト Kosuto) is an action that must be performed in order to activate a card or effect, to perform another action, or to keep a card on the field.

Targeting is an action that must be performed to activate, or at least when activating, Mystical Space Typhoon for example. Therefore, targeting with Mystical Space Typhoon is considered a "cost" as far as game mechanics are concerned.

[quote="Renji Asuka":3gzn9qm4][quote="Genexwrecker":3gzn9qm4][quote="Renji Asuka":3gzn9qm4]
Before you even think about asking another question like this when it comes to cost.

Anything to the left of ; but to the right of : if any is a cost that must be paid before you are allowed to chain.

(regarding PSCT)[/quote:3gzn9qm4]
this is incorrect information please disregard Reji's post as not everything directly before the ; does not equate to costs. Targeting for example is not a cost but is performed upon activation which is the true meaning of the semi colon.[/quote:3gzn9qm4]
I mean considering you must pay cost and in some cases such as target happens, it is still 2 things you need to do before your opponent responds, so it's easier to lump them together as these action still applies before your opponent can respond.[/quote:3gzn9qm4]
this is something that is extremely important to not lump together targeting and costs are 2 entirtely seperate mechanics and the differences do come up more often than you think in the game itself. Targeting not being a cost affects a lot of cards and their ability to activate far more than costs do.

[quote="Christen57":3fbgefgh][quote="Genexwrecker":3fbgefgh][quote="Renji Asuka":3fbgefgh]
Before you even think about asking another question like this when it comes to cost.

Anything to the left of ; but to the right of : if any is a cost that must be paid before you are allowed to chain.

(regarding PSCT)[/quote:3fbgefgh]
this is incorrect information please disregard Reji's post as not everything directly before the ; does not equate to costs. Targeting for example is not a cost but is performed upon activation which is the true meaning of the semi colon.[/quote:3fbgefgh]

Actually, Renji Asuka's probably right here. This article explains exactly what costs are. [url:3fbgefgh]https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Cost[/url:3fbgefgh]

A cost (Japanese: コスト Kosuto) is an action that must be performed in order to activate a card or effect, to perform another action, or to keep a card on the field.

Targeting is an action that must be performed to activate, or at least when activating, Mystical Space Typhoon for example. Therefore, targeting with Mystical Space Typhoon is considered a "cost" as far as game mechanics are concerned.[/quote:3fbgefgh]
again targeting is never a cost and never will be a cost. This is extremely important to understand as it does affect the validity of quite a few cards and different mechanics are affected by targeting not being a cost as well. Please do not continue to go around telling people targeting is treated as a cost it is vastly different. This is not a debate please drop the subject.

As far as the game is concerned, if a card targets, you MUST perform that action FIRST, same with cost before you a player can have a legal response window.

That's the point I am driving at, these mechanics are very much intertwined with each other post PSCT when it comes to anything to the left of ; and to the right of :

Then to act as if I'm wrong when I'm showing where the cost would be just because I didn't use a choice of words you'd have used doesn't mean have I have stated is wrong.

You don't get to pay cost of a card, let the opponent respond before any targeting occurs or vice versa. These actions happen in the order the card states and must be done fully before the player in question is allowed to respond. Because of this, it's easier to say what I have stated that these things HAVE TO HAPPEN before the opponent is allowed to respond.

Most players who know PSCT rather well knows already that targeting isn't the same as cost as they are 2 different actions, but they happen in the same group of text if a card has both targeting and cost.

[quote="Renji Asuka":utrvb94n]As far as the game is concerned, if a card targets, you MUST perform that action FIRST, same with cost before you a player can have a legal response window.

That's the point I am driving at, these mechanics are very much intertwined with each other post PSCT when it comes to anything to the left of ; and to the right of :

Then to act as if I'm wrong when I'm showing where the cost would be just because I didn't use a choice of words you'd have used doesn't mean have I have stated is wrong.

You don't get to pay cost of a card, let the opponent respond before any targeting occurs or vice versa. These actions happen in the order the card states and must be done fully before the player in question is allowed to respond. Because of this, it's easier to say what I have stated that these things HAVE TO HAPPEN before the opponent is allowed to respond.

Most players who know PSCT rather well knows already that targeting isn't the same as cost as they are 2 different actions, but they happen in the same group of text if a card has both targeting and cost.[/quote:utrvb94n]
Yes they both occur upon activation which I already stated. The similarities end there.

[quote="Christen57":20lbidgx][quote="Genexwrecker":20lbidgx][quote="Renji Asuka":20lbidgx]
Before you even think about asking another question like this when it comes to cost.

Anything to the left of ; but to the right of : if any is a cost that must be paid before you are allowed to chain.

(regarding PSCT)[/quote:20lbidgx]
this is incorrect information please disregard Reji's post as not everything directly before the ; does not equate to costs. Targeting for example is not a cost but is performed upon activation which is the true meaning of the semi colon.[/quote:20lbidgx]

Actually, Renji Asuka's probably right here. This article explains exactly what costs are. [url:20lbidgx]https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Cost[/url:20lbidgx]

A cost (Japanese: コスト Kosuto) is an action that must be performed in order to activate a card or effect, to perform another action, or to keep a card on the field.

Targeting is an action that must be performed to activate, or at least when activating, Mystical Space Typhoon for example. Therefore, targeting with Mystical Space Typhoon is considered a "cost" as far as game mechanics are concerned.[/quote:20lbidgx]

Yugipedia. Using actual sources helps avoid misinformation. You keep using unreliable sites and it keeps leading you to provide bad information.

[quote="Renji Asuka":ti37c44o][quote="Cromat":ti37c44o]Question #27: Opponent is activated "Numeron Network" during their Main Phase 1. I chained of "Blizzard" by targeting "Numeron Network". Can they still send from their Deck to the GY of "Numeron Calling"?[/quote:ti37c44o]
Before you even think about asking another question like this when it comes to cost.

Anything to the left of ; but to the right of : if any is a cost that must be paid before you are allowed to chain.

(regarding PSCT)[/quote:ti37c44o]

No, anything to the left of ; but to the right of : is what you do when activating the effect. That does not mean it has to be a cost. https://yugiohblog.konami.com/articles/?p=2947 "The basic structure is CONDITIONS : ACTIVATION ; RESOLUTION." They're very insistent about the semicolon serving the role of separating activation from resolution, only mentioning that costs are one set of things that can be done when activating the effect, but it's not the complete set. "Anything that happens WHEN YOU ACTIVATE a card will be written in red and called ‘red text’. This includes things like costs and targeting." Targeting is a distinct example separate from costs, otherwise it'd just be redundant. To repeat their emphasis on this yet again. "The semicolon is there to separate what you do when you activate this card, vs. what you do when the card resolves."

Triple Tactical Talents does not have a cost. Traptrix certainly care about the fact that Traptrix Myrmelo has no cost, that way Traptrix Sera can summon it against empty opposing backrow and the effect still activates. After all, a mandatory effect can't activate unless you can pay the cost. On the other hand, a mandatory effect has no problems activating without a target, so Myrmelo's empty trigger will set off Sera's effect, a rather nifty turn 1 interaction they use to set up certain plays. If I copy the activated effect of Eradicator Epidemic Virus, with say, Labrynth Barrage, I won't pay any costs, but of course I'd still declare monster, spell, or trap.

https://img.yugioh-card.com/en/download ... _EN_10.pdf (https://img.yugioh-card.com/en/downloads/ rulebook/SD_RuleBook_EN_10.pdf Put these two texts together if the post cuts off the link again.) If you're looking for costs in the Rulebook glossary, you won't find it under C. You got to down a bit further into page 54, under P, where it defines "Pay A Cost". "To pay a cost in an action required by a player in order to activate a card, an effect, or to summon a monster. Tributing to Tribute Summon a Level 5 monster is an example of a cost. Other common costs are discarding, paying LP, or banishing cards."

You do not pay activations, declarations, or targeting. Telling your opponent which effect is activated, what name you might be declaring, or what target you are picking are all things you might see before a semicolon that you'd perform when activating the effect without defining it as a cost to pay.

[quote="Wek":30ctyrju][quote="Renji Asuka":30ctyrju][quote="Cromat":30ctyrju]Question #27: Opponent is activated "Numeron Network" during their Main Phase 1. I chained of "Blizzard" by targeting "Numeron Network". Can they still send from their Deck to the GY of "Numeron Calling"?[/quote:30ctyrju]
Before you even think about asking another question like this when it comes to cost.

Anything to the left of ; but to the right of : if any is a cost that must be paid before you are allowed to chain.

(regarding PSCT)[/quote:30ctyrju]

No, anything to the left of ; but to the right of : is what you do when activating the effect. That does not mean it has to be a cost. https://yugiohblog.konami.com/articles/?p=2947 "The basic structure is CONDITIONS : ACTIVATION ; RESOLUTION." They're very insistent about the semicolon serving the role of separating activation from resolution, only mentioning that costs are one set of things that can be done when activating the effect, but it's not the complete set. "Anything that happens WHEN YOU ACTIVATE a card will be written in red and called ‘red text’. This includes things like costs and targeting." Targeting is a distinct example separate from costs, otherwise it'd just be redundant.

Triple Tactical Talents does not have a cost. Traptrix certainly care about the fact that Traptrix Myrmelo has no cost, that way Traptrix Sera can summon it against empty opposing backrow and the effect still activates. After all, a mandatory effect can't activate unless you can pay the cost. On the other hand, a mandatory effect has no problems activating without a target, so Myrmelo's empty trigger will set off Sera's effect, a rather nifty turn 1 interaction they use to set up certain plays. If I copy the activated effect of Eradicator Epidemic Virus, with say, Labrynth Barrage, I won't pay any costs, but of course I'd still declare monster, spell, or trap.

https://img.yugioh-card.com/en/download ... _EN_10.pdf If you're looking for costs in the Rulebook glossary, you won't find it under C. You got to down a bit further into page 54, under P, where it defines "Pay A Cost". "To pay a cost in an action required by a player in order to activate a card, an effect, or to summon a monster. Tributing to Tribute Summon a Level 5 monster is an example of a cost. Other common costs are discarding, paying LP, or banishing cards."

You do not pay activations, declarations, or targeting. Telling your opponent which effect is activated, what name you might be declaring, or what target you are picking are all things you might see before a semicolon that you'd perform when activating the effect without defining it as a cost to pay.[/quote:30ctyrju]
You might actually want to read more than just that post otherwise you'd see how foolish your post actually is.

[quote="Cromat":phc23j1x]Question #27: Opponent is activated "Numeron Network" during their Main Phase 1. I chained of "Blizzard" by targeting "Numeron Network". Can they still send from their Deck to the GY of "Numeron Calling"?[/quote:phc23j1x]

Sure. Blizzard only negates the activated effects of that spell, which is what the spell does when it resolves that effect. That won't stop you from doing things when you activate the effect. Text before the semicolon indicates what you do when you activate the effect and works fine under effect negation.

[quote="Renji Asuka":3c9njegj]
You might actually want to read more than just that post otherwise you'd see how foolish your post actually is.[/quote:3c9njegj]

What? You mean the load of rubbish below?

[quote="Renji Asuka":3c9njegj]As far as the game is concerned, if a card targets, you MUST perform that action FIRST, same with cost before you a player can have a legal response window.

That's the point I am driving at, these mechanics are very much intertwined with each other post PSCT when it comes to anything to the left of ; and to the right of :

Then to act as if I'm wrong when I'm showing where the cost would be just because I didn't use a choice of words you'd have used doesn't mean have I have stated is wrong.

You don't get to pay cost of a card, let the opponent respond before any targeting occurs or vice versa. These actions happen in the order the card states and must be done fully before the player in question is allowed to respond. Because of this, it's easier to say what I have stated that these things HAVE TO HAPPEN before the opponent is allowed to respond.

Most players who know PSCT rather well knows already that targeting isn't the same as cost as they are 2 different actions, but they happen in the same group of text if a card has both targeting and cost.[/quote:3c9njegj]

You tried making an incorrect and unnecessary generalization that had no benefits. Documentation clearly states what a semicolon is following in very simple terms. Actions taken when activating the effect.

[quote="Wek":q1swabun][quote="Renji Asuka":q1swabun]
You might actually want to read more than just that post otherwise you'd see how foolish your post actually is.[/quote:q1swabun]

What? You mean the load of rubbish below?

[quote="Renji Asuka":q1swabun]As far as the game is concerned, if a card targets, you MUST perform that action FIRST, same with cost before you a player can have a legal response window.

That's the point I am driving at, these mechanics are very much intertwined with each other post PSCT when it comes to anything to the left of ; and to the right of :

Then to act as if I'm wrong when I'm showing where the cost would be just because I didn't use a choice of words you'd have used doesn't mean have I have stated is wrong.

You don't get to pay cost of a card, let the opponent respond before any targeting occurs or vice versa. These actions happen in the order the card states and must be done fully before the player in question is allowed to respond. Because of this, it's easier to say what I have stated that these things HAVE TO HAPPEN before the opponent is allowed to respond.

Most players who know PSCT rather well knows already that targeting isn't the same as cost as they are 2 different actions, but they happen in the same group of text if a card has both targeting and cost.[/quote:q1swabun]

You tried making an incorrect and unnecessary generalization that had no benefits. Documentation clearly states what a semicolon is following in very simple terms. Actions taken when activating the effect.[/quote:q1swabun]
So, let me ask you the question.

Where is the cost located?

[quote="Renji Asuka":39uv6b5c][quote="Wek":39uv6b5c][quote="Renji Asuka":39uv6b5c]
You might actually want to read more than just that post otherwise you'd see how foolish your post actually is.[/quote:39uv6b5c]

What? You mean the load of rubbish below?

[quote="Renji Asuka":39uv6b5c]As far as the game is concerned, if a card targets, you MUST perform that action FIRST, same with cost before you a player can have a legal response window.

That's the point I am driving at, these mechanics are very much intertwined with each other post PSCT when it comes to anything to the left of ; and to the right of :

Then to act as if I'm wrong when I'm showing where the cost would be just because I didn't use a choice of words you'd have used doesn't mean have I have stated is wrong.

You don't get to pay cost of a card, let the opponent respond before any targeting occurs or vice versa. These actions happen in the order the card states and must be done fully before the player in question is allowed to respond. Because of this, it's easier to say what I have stated that these things HAVE TO HAPPEN before the opponent is allowed to respond.

Most players who know PSCT rather well knows already that targeting isn't the same as cost as they are 2 different actions, but they happen in the same group of text if a card has both targeting and cost.[/quote:39uv6b5c]

You tried making an incorrect and unnecessary generalization that had no benefits. Documentation clearly states what a semicolon is following in very simple terms. Actions taken when activating the effect.[/quote:39uv6b5c]
So, let me ask you the question.

Where is the cost located?[/quote:39uv6b5c]

A cost to an activated effect will be located before the semicolon, as the cost is one kind of action performed when activating the effect.

[quote="Wek":1ztbuwo5][quote="Renji Asuka":1ztbuwo5][quote="Wek":1ztbuwo5]

What? You mean the load of rubbish below?



You tried making an incorrect and unnecessary generalization that had no benefits. Documentation clearly states what a semicolon is following in very simple terms. Actions taken when activating the effect.[/quote:1ztbuwo5]
So, let me ask you the question.

Where is the cost located?[/quote:1ztbuwo5]

A cost to an activated effect will be located before the semicolon, as the cost is one kind of action performed when activating the effect.[/quote:1ztbuwo5]
You mean, just like what I said.

So why are you arguing?

[quote="Christen57":3t8r2qrm][quote="Genexwrecker":3t8r2qrm][quote="Renji Asuka":3t8r2qrm]
Before you even think about asking another question like this when it comes to cost.

Anything to the left of ; but to the right of : if any is a cost that must be paid before you are allowed to chain.

(regarding PSCT)[/quote:3t8r2qrm]
this is incorrect information please disregard Reji's post as not everything directly before the ; does not equate to costs. Targeting for example is not a cost but is performed upon activation which is the true meaning of the semi colon.[/quote:3t8r2qrm]

Actually, Renji Asuka's probably right here. This article explains exactly what costs are. [url:3t8r2qrm]https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Cost[/url:3t8r2qrm]

A cost (Japanese: コスト Kosuto) is an action that must be performed in order to activate a card or effect, to perform another action, or to keep a card on the field.

Targeting is an action that must be performed to activate, or at least when activating, Mystical Space Typhoon for example. Therefore, targeting with Mystical Space Typhoon is considered a "cost" as far as game mechanics are concerned.[/quote:3t8r2qrm]
"the cost is paid and any targeting is done" the wiki separates cost and target though

[quote="Renji Asuka":1e0jtvwe][quote="Wek":1e0jtvwe][quote="Renji Asuka":1e0jtvwe]
So, let me ask you the question.

Where is the cost located?[/quote:1e0jtvwe]

A cost to an activated effect will be located before the semicolon, as the cost is one kind of action performed when activating the effect.[/quote:1e0jtvwe]
You mean, just like what I said.

So why are you arguing?[/quote:1e0jtvwe]
Because you tried to defend using the wrong term, like when I said Infinity negates an "effect" when it really negates the "activation"

[quote="Genexwrecker":thjmvm08][quote="Christen57":thjmvm08][quote="Genexwrecker":thjmvm08]
this is incorrect information please disregard Reji's post as not everything directly before the ; does not equate to costs. Targeting for example is not a cost but is performed upon activation which is the true meaning of the semi colon.[/quote:thjmvm08]

Actually, Renji Asuka's probably right here. This article explains exactly what costs are. [url:thjmvm08]https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Cost[/url:thjmvm08]

A cost (Japanese: コスト Kosuto) is an action that must be performed in order to activate a card or effect, to perform another action, or to keep a card on the field.

Targeting is an action that must be performed to activate, or at least when activating, Mystical Space Typhoon for example. Therefore, targeting with Mystical Space Typhoon is considered a "cost" as far as game mechanics are concerned.[/quote:thjmvm08]
again targeting is never a cost and never will be a cost. This is extremely important to understand as it does affect the validity of quite a few cards and different mechanics are affected by targeting not being a cost as well. Please do not continue to go around telling people targeting is treated as a cost it is vastly different. This is not a debate please drop the subject.[/quote:thjmvm08]

I think I know what you mean. Unlike costs listed before semi-colons which can never be skipped, there are some situations where targeting can be skipped, like in the case of mandatory effects. For example, Galaxy Knight says it'll activate it's on-summon effect by targeting then special summoning a specific monster in the graveyard, but will still activate and resolve that effect to lose 1000 ATK even if no such target exists, in which case it'll skip the targeting part and go straight to the ATK-reducing part.

This should mean that, if I tribute summon Granmarg the Mega Monarch using EARTH tributes, even if no Set cards exist on the field, it should still apply the "Also, draw 1 card after that" part, since, according to problem-solving card text rules, "Do A, also do B" means A isn't required for B to happen. Right?

However, an actual cost, such as paying life points to activate something, wouldn't be skippable. If my face-up Moon Mirror Shield gets sent to my graveyard and I have less than 500 life points, I don't get to skip paying 500 life points while still putting the card back to the top/bottom of the deck.

Also, not all forms of targeting target at specifically an activation of something. There is a spell card called Future Fusion which targets after it has resolved instead of upon activation, while Equip Spells, for example, "constantly" target the monsters they're equipped to.

So I guess what I should say is that targeting is considered part of the cost, or at least something that's required alongside the cost, if said targeting is required to activate the card/effect in question and if that card/effect is optional and not mandatory.

[quote="Renji Asuka":36je8ejl][quote="Cromat":36je8ejl]Question #27: Opponent is activated "Numeron Network" during their Main Phase 1. I chained of "Blizzard" by targeting "Numeron Network". Can they still send from their Deck to the GY of "Numeron Calling"?[/quote:36je8ejl]
Before you even think about asking another question like this when it comes to cost.

Anything to the left of ; but to the right of : if any is a cost that must be paid before you are allowed to chain.

(regarding PSCT)[/quote:36je8ejl]

[quote="Renji Asuka":36je8ejl][quote="Wek":36je8ejl][quote="Renji Asuka":36je8ejl]
So, let me ask you the question.

Where is the cost located?[/quote:36je8ejl]

A cost to an activated effect will be located before the semicolon, as the cost is one kind of action performed when activating the effect.[/quote:36je8ejl]
You mean, just like what I said.

So why are you arguing?[/quote:36je8ejl]

You think those are the same thing? To shorten the statements a bit since we know full well what they represent in the context of this discussion.

"Costs are before the semicolon" =/= "Anything before the semicolon is a cost"

This is basic logic. (All things in group x are in group y does not mean all things in group y are in group x, as there can be things that are in group y that are not in group x.) Or to take a well known analogy.

You trying to take those statements as equivalent is like taking the statement "all squares are rectangles" and then claiming that statement proves "all rectangles are squares". It doesn't work. There could still be rectangles that aren't squares. (There are.) "Costs comes before the semicolon" will not make "Anything before the semicolon a cost". You could still be things before the semicolon that aren't a cost. (There are.)

Targeting is not a cost, but is before the semicolon, proving "Anything before the semicolon is a cost" (your statement) false, yet has no contradiction with "Costs are before the semicolon" (my statement).

[quote="Christen57":3ekhnmv1][quote="Genexwrecker":3ekhnmv1][quote="Christen57":3ekhnmv1]

Actually, Renji Asuka's probably right here. This article explains exactly what costs are. [url:3ekhnmv1]https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Cost[/url:3ekhnmv1]

A cost (Japanese: コスト Kosuto) is an action that must be performed in order to activate a card or effect, to perform another action, or to keep a card on the field.

Targeting is an action that must be performed to activate, or at least when activating, Mystical Space Typhoon for example. Therefore, targeting with Mystical Space Typhoon is considered a "cost" as far as game mechanics are concerned.[/quote:3ekhnmv1]
again targeting is never a cost and never will be a cost. This is extremely important to understand as it does affect the validity of quite a few cards and different mechanics are affected by targeting not being a cost as well. Please do not continue to go around telling people targeting is treated as a cost it is vastly different. This is not a debate please drop the subject.[/quote:3ekhnmv1]

I think I know what you mean. Unlike costs listed before semi-colons which can never be skipped, there are some situations where targeting can be skipped, like in the case of mandatory effects. For example, Galaxy Knight says it'll activate it's on-summon effect by targeting then special summoning a specific monster in the graveyard, but will still activate and resolve that effect to lose 1000 ATK even if no such target exists, in which case it'll skip the targeting part and go straight to the ATK-reducing part.

This should mean that, if I tribute summon Granmarg the Mega Monarch using EARTH tributes, even if no Set cards exist on the field, it should still apply the "Also, draw 1 card after that" part, since, according to problem-solving card text rules, "Do A, also do B" means A isn't required for B to happen. Right?

However, an actual cost, such as paying life points to activate something, wouldn't be skippable. If my face-up Moon Mirror Shield gets sent to my graveyard and I have less than 500 life points, I don't get to skip paying 500 life points while still putting the card back to the top/bottom of the deck.

Also, not all forms of targeting target at specifically an activation of something. There is a spell card called Future Fusion which targets after it has resolved instead of upon activation, while Equip Spells, for example, "constantly" target the monsters they're equipped to.

So I guess what I should say is that targeting is considered part of the cost, or at least something that's required alongside the cost, if said targeting is required to activate the card/effect in question and if that card/effect is optional and not mandatory.[/quote:3ekhnmv1]

If you don't have the lifepoints for Moon Mirror Shield, you can't activate its mandatory effect, period. If you can't pay the cost to activate an effect, you can't activate it, whether it's mandatory or not. Targeting isn't a cost. A mandatory effect can activate without targets, like Galaxy Knight, Granmarg the Mega Monarch, etc. The resolution stuff is just unrelated basic PSCT, apply your conjunctions accordingly.

But no, targeting is not part of the cost, it's a completely different action, even if you separate the activation legality principles of mandatory effects from the discussion. As I said earlier, just take a look at certain forms of effect copying. It's just as true for targeting as it is for declaring, where if you take the group of effect copiers that don't copy costs, they'll still have you target/declare. To give yet another example, Diamond Dude doesn't copy costs, but it will still have you select targets.

As for the alternate form of targeting that you're on about, that's another entirely unrelated topic. Equips initially target when activated, but the so-called "continuous targeting" they do afterwards is a special form of "targeting" completely different than the original. There's just this small minority of cards that care about this strange form of targeting, such as Spirit Reaper, for no known reason. Most cards straight up don't care. Targeting protection isn't going to cause equips to stop being equipped. https://db.ygorganization.com/qa#8784 Targeting protection won't even stop effects that equip another cards from equipping https://db.ygorganization.com/qa#14404 https://db.ygorganization.com/qa#23196 The targeting protection would only stop the initial targeting at activation. I would not advise getting into all the added complications of other concepts of targeting when you're still trying to wrap your head around how basic targeting functions with respect to actions at activation and not being a cost.

[quote="Wek":p3nvdjqf][quote="Renji Asuka":p3nvdjqf][quote="Cromat":p3nvdjqf]Question #27: Opponent is activated "Numeron Network" during their Main Phase 1. I chained of "Blizzard" by targeting "Numeron Network". Can they still send from their Deck to the GY of "Numeron Calling"?[/quote:p3nvdjqf]
Before you even think about asking another question like this when it comes to cost.

Anything to the left of ; but to the right of : if any is a cost that must be paid before you are allowed to chain.

(regarding PSCT)[/quote:p3nvdjqf]

[quote="Renji Asuka":p3nvdjqf][quote="Wek":p3nvdjqf]

A cost to an activated effect will be located before the semicolon, as the cost is one kind of action performed when activating the effect.[/quote:p3nvdjqf]
You mean, just like what I said.

So why are you arguing?[/quote:p3nvdjqf]

You think those are the same thing? To shorten the statements a bit since we know full well what they represent in the context of this discussion.

"Costs are before the semicolon" =/= "Anything before the semicolon is a cost"

This is basic logic. (All things in group x are in group y does not mean all things in group y are in group x, as there can be things that are in group y that are not in group x.) Or to take a well known analogy.

You trying to take those statements as equivalent is like taking the statement "all squares are rectangles" and then claiming that statement proves "all rectangles are squares". It doesn't work. There could still be rectangles that aren't squares. (There are.) "Costs comes before the semicolon" will not make "Anything before the semicolon a cost". You could still be things before the semicolon that aren't a cost. (There are.)

Targeting is not a cost, but is before the semicolon, proving "Anything before the semicolon is a cost" (your statement) false, yet has no contradiction with "Costs are before the semicolon" (my statement).[/quote:p3nvdjqf]
No where have I stated they were the same thing lmao

[quote="Renji Asuka":37kb6ep0][quote="Wek":37kb6ep0][quote="Renji Asuka":37kb6ep0]
Before you even think about asking another question like this when it comes to cost.

Anything to the left of ; but to the right of : if any is a cost that must be paid before you are allowed to chain.

(regarding PSCT)[/quote:37kb6ep0]

[quote="Renji Asuka":37kb6ep0]
You mean, just like what I said.

So why are you arguing?[/quote:37kb6ep0]

You think those are the same thing? To shorten the statements a bit since we know full well what they represent in the context of this discussion.

"Costs are before the semicolon" =/= "Anything before the semicolon is a cost"

This is basic logic. (All things in group x are in group y does not mean all things in group y are in group x, as there can be things that are in group y that are not in group x.) Or to take a well known analogy.

You trying to take those statements as equivalent is like taking the statement "all squares are rectangles" and then claiming that statement proves "all rectangles are squares". It doesn't work. There could still be rectangles that aren't squares. (There are.) "Costs comes before the semicolon" will not make "Anything before the semicolon a cost". You could still be things before the semicolon that aren't a cost. (There are.)

Targeting is not a cost, but is before the semicolon, proving "Anything before the semicolon is a cost" (your statement) false, yet has no contradiction with "Costs are before the semicolon" (my statement).[/quote:37kb6ep0]
No where have I stated they were the same thing lmao[/quote:37kb6ep0]
"just like what I said"

Question #28: Opponent Normal Summons of "Amano-Iwato", during End Phase of their turn: Its Trigger Effect is triggered; I responded that by activating "Madolche Nights". So at the end as result.. ..Opponent's monster will stay on the field and I can enter my Draw Phase, or, we're still at End Phase, so its effect can be triggers again so that monster can still be return to opponent's hand? (Don't forget to review Question #22.)

[quote="Wek":34933y4s][quote="greg503":34933y4s][quote="Wek":34933y4s]

It should be sent to the GY, though if it's from the control change wearing off it's not considered destruction.[/quote:34933y4s]
Sent by game mechanics, same for if a Galaxy-Eyes attempts to return to the field with no open Main Monster Zones[/quote:34933y4s]

Yeah, I wouldn't expect it to be considered sent by card effect. Should be similar to the scenarios for when a control change effect resolves and tries to take a monster without available zones, with the exception instead of destruction it's just sent to GY, but still not by card effect. I find it a bit strange that control change wearing off without available zones isn't destruction while control change is, but the one ruling I see on control change wearing off indicated this one detail differed. https://db.ygorganization.com/qa#20771[/quote:34933y4s]

https://ygorganization.com/perfect-rulebook-2017/ Based on page 153, I'm revising my take on this to Konami forgetting to say it destroyed this one time on https://db.ygorganization.com/qa#20771, and inconveniently on the only ruling about returning control when the effect wore off.

[quote="Cromat":1baj9jqr]Question #28: Opponent Normal Summons of "Amano-Iwato", during End Phase of their turn: Its Trigger Effect is triggered; I responded that by activating "Madolche Nights". So at the end as result.. ..Opponent's monster will stay on the field and I can enter my Draw Phase, or, we're still at End Phase, so its effect can be triggers again so that monster can still be return to opponent's hand? (Don't forget to review Question #22.)[/quote:1baj9jqr]

Why would we want to review Question 22?

You're still in the End Phase, and that copy of Amano cannot activate its effect again.

Would this be something similar to Dingirsu and Instant Fusion? Instant will pop the fusion during end phase, but Dingirsu can protect it for that turn.

[quote="Cromat":1s0qtcpa]Question #28: Opponent Normal Summons of "Amano-Iwato", during End Phase of their turn: Its Trigger Effect is triggered; I responded that by activating "Madolche Nights". So at the end as result.. ..Opponent's monster will stay on the field and I can enter my Draw Phase, or, we're still at End Phase, so its effect can be triggers again so that monster can still be return to opponent's hand? (Don't forget to review Question #22.)[/quote:1s0qtcpa]
"Once per turn, during the End Phase, if this card was Normal Summoned or flipped face-up this turn: Return this card to the hand."
Does it read like it would activate multiple times during the End Phase?

Question #29:

I am Special Summoning of "Santa Claws" to opponent's field in Defense Position, by Tributing "Malefic Truth Dragon", also taking control of their "Malefic Rainbow Dragon" by using "Crackdown". I also controlling a face-up "There Can Be Only One" on my field (after take control of "Malefic Rainbow Dragon"). Then, I am activating "Nightmare Archfiends" and Tributing "Malefic Rainbow Dragon".

● What happens as a result?

[quote="Cromat":cqne8mwo]Question #29:

I am Special Summoning of "Santa Claws" to opponent's field in Defense Position, by Tributing "Malefic Truth Dragon", also taking control of their "Malefic Rainbow Dragon" by using "Crackdown". I also controlling a face-up "There Can Be Only One" on my field (after take control of "Malefic Rainbow Dragon"). Then, I am activating "Nightmare Archfiends" and Tributing "Malefic Rainbow Dragon".

● What happens as a result?[/quote:cqne8mwo]

I'm gonna answer this assuming there's also an active field spell keeping the Malefics' own effects from destroying themselves.

Under TCBOO (There Can Be Only One), you can't activate Nightmare Archfiends as you can't attempt to summon Fiend-type tokens to your opponent's field since they already control a Fiend-type (Santa Claws).

[quote="Christen57":3oexgot2][quote="Cromat":3oexgot2]Question #29:

I am Special Summoning of "Santa Claws" to opponent's field in Defense Position, by Tributing "Malefic Truth Dragon", also taking control of their "Malefic Rainbow Dragon" by using "Crackdown". I also controlling a face-up "There Can Be Only One" on my field (after take control of "Malefic Rainbow Dragon"). Then, I am activating "Nightmare Archfiends" and Tributing "Malefic Rainbow Dragon".

● What happens as a result?[/quote:3oexgot2]

I'm gonna answer this assuming there's also an active field spell keeping the Malefics' own effects from destroying themselves.

Under TCBOO (There Can Be Only One), you can't activate Nightmare Archfiends as you can't attempt to summon Fiend-type tokens to your opponent's field since they already control a Fiend-type (Santa Claws).[/quote:3oexgot2]

I control a "Skill Drain" and a "Mystic Mine" (as face-up), and opponent controls a "Malefic World" while those things are happening. (Just unnecessary details.)

I had asked my opponent that "Did I do it wrong or not, by meaning I can activate that "Nightmare Archfiends"? They had said "You can but still other Fiends must be send to GY because of "There Can Be Only One"." I had forgotten that issue to ask at Forum, when I remember I typed it here.

[quote="Cromat":2fdc40ng]I had asked my opponent that "Did I do it wrong or not, by meaning I can activate that "Nightmare Archfiends"? They had said "You can but still other Fiends must be send to GY because of "There Can Be Only One"."[/quote:2fdc40ng]

That's only if TCBOO was activated in response to Nightmare Archfiends. In which case, the tokens would be summoned to the opponent's field, but TCBOO would immediately remove all but 1 of them so that the opponent controls only 1 Fiend. However, if TCBOO was already active, you can't attempt to activate Nightmare Archfiends.

[quote="Cromat":3hhu1cya]Question #30:
Opponent has 1 "The Weather Snowy Canvas" on their field as face-up. They Normal Summon of "The Weather Painter Snow", I am activating "Metaverse" to its Summons. They activate their Quick Effect and attempting to banish it; I respond of it by activating "Book of Moon". Will "The Weather Painter Snow" stay on the field as face-down, or, that will be banished?[/quote:3hhu1cya]
Weather Painters banish as cost, they won't be on the field to target with Book

[quote="Cromat":suwkk2cj]Question #30:
Opponent has 1 "The Weather Snowy Canvas" on their field as face-up. They Normal Summon of "The Weather Painter Snow", I am activating "Metaverse" to its Summons. They activate their Quick Effect and attempting to banish it; I respond of it by activating "Book of Moon". Will "The Weather Painter Snow" stay on the field as face-down, or, that will be banished?[/quote:suwkk2cj]

So they summon Snow, you chain Metaverse, they chain the gained effect and banished Snow. You didn't say what you were targeting with Book though, you never mentioned that there were any monsters still on the field. Also not sure what you mean by attempting to banish it, you said they activated the effect, so its already banished at the time of activation. That's what the text says.

You can banish this card (Quick Effect); add 1 "The Weather" card from your Deck to your hand, also you cannot add cards from your Deck to your hand for the rest of this turn, except by drawing them.

[quote="Cromat":3jj6mdl3]Question #30:
Opponent has 1 "The Weather Snowy Canvas" on their field as face-up. They Normal Summon of "The Weather Painter Snow", I am activating "Metaverse" to its Summons. They activate their Quick Effect and attempting to banish it; I respond of it by activating "Book of Moon". Will "The Weather Painter Snow" stay on the field as face-down, or, that will be banished?[/quote:3jj6mdl3]

You cannot activate book of moon in that scenario because The Weather monsters banish themselves as cost, so you're attempting to target a monster that is not even on the field at that point.

[quote="Cromat":24lr2f1o]I wrote the cards on the field with their names, if you can't understand is it my problem, if so since when is it my problem? Just think about it, we've already explained the event, what else is this discussion about?[/quote:24lr2f1o]

If you don't understand the board state there is no need to try and be snarky about it.

[quote="Cromat":24lr2f1o]Question #30:
They activate their Quick Effect and attempting to banish it; [/quote:24lr2f1o]

So basically this isn't true, they didn't just attempt to banish it, they activated their quick effect and actually banished it.
Text before the semicolon is done when activating the effect, which has already been explained to you before from prior questions on this very thread.

[quote="Cromat":24lr2f1o]Question #30:
I respond of it by activating "Book of Moon". Will "The Weather Painter Snow" stay on the field as face-down, or, that will be banished?[/quote:24lr2f1o]

What you're describing is illegal to begin with. You don't activate Book of Moon, the card you are apparently talking about targeting isn't even on the field. If there's a judge present they give you a warning for the illegal play and make you rewind it, etc.

Question #31:
●[0] Opponent control a face-up Attack Position "Mist Valley Apex Avian" on their field.
●[1] During my Main Phase 1: I activate "Mystic Mine" from my respective hand.
●[2] They are activating effect of "Mist Valley Apex Avian" for negate my Spell's activation.
●[3] I activate "Skill Drain" to negate their Effect Monsters effect for protect my "Mystic Mine".
●[4] They are activating their Set "Floowandereeze and the Advent of Adventure" by banishing "Mist Valley Apex Avian".

At the end of day; "Mystic Mine" will remain on the field (after all these Chain Links resolved)?

[quote="Cromat":1rvwht1i]Question #31:
●[0] Opponent control a face-up Attack Position "Mist Valley Apex Avian" on their field.
●[1] During my Main Phase 1: I activate "Mystic Mine" from my respective hand.
●[2] They are activating effect of "Mist Valley Apex Avian" for negate my Spell's activation.
●[3] I activate "Skill Drain" to negate their Effect Monsters effect for protect my "Mystic Mine".
●[4] They are activating their Set "Floowandereeze and the Advent of Adventure" by banishing "Mist Valley Apex Avian".

At the end of day; "Mystic Mine" will remain on the field (after all these Chain Links resolved)?[/quote:1rvwht1i]

Mist Valley Apex Avian would have to successfully remove itself from the field with it's own effect to negate this activation. If it gets removed some other way, it won't negate the activation.

[quote="Cromat":3m4fnayi]Question #31:
●[0] Opponent control a face-up Attack Position "Mist Valley Apex Avian" on their field.
●[1] During my Main Phase 1: I activate "Mystic Mine" from my respective hand.
●[2] They are activating effect of "Mist Valley Apex Avian" for negate my Spell's activation.
●[3] I activate "Skill Drain" to negate their Effect Monsters effect for protect my "Mystic Mine".
●[4] They are activating their Set "Floowandereeze and the Advent of Adventure" by banishing "Mist Valley Apex Avian".

At the end of day; "Mystic Mine" will remain on the field (after all these Chain Links resolved)?[/quote:3m4fnayi]
If you have the same amount of monsters at end phase, Mystic Mine will be destroyed.

[quote="Christen57":9smayf7x][quote="Cromat":9smayf7x]Question #31:
●[0] Opponent control a face-up Attack Position "Mist Valley Apex Avian" on their field.
●[1] During my Main Phase 1: I activate "Mystic Mine" from my respective hand.
●[2] They are activating effect of "Mist Valley Apex Avian" for negate my Spell's activation.
●[3] I activate "Skill Drain" to negate their Effect Monsters effect for protect my "Mystic Mine".
●[4] They are activating their Set "Floowandereeze and the Advent of Adventure" by banishing "Mist Valley Apex Avian".

At the end of day; "Mystic Mine" will remain on the field (after all these Chain Links resolved)?[/quote:9smayf7x]

Mist Valley Apex Avian would have to successfully remove itself from the field with it's own effect to negate this activation. If it gets removed some other way, it won't negate the activation.[/quote:9smayf7x]

● You mean, "Mystic Mine" still remains on the field, there is not any miss timing or something, doesn't?
● So, there is no such thing as "Floowandereeze and the Advent of Adventure" banished "Mist Valley Apex Avian", that is no longer on the field, therefore "Skill Drain" cannot negate its effect no longer, so destroy your "Mystic Mine"; right?
● You are saying still that is your Main Phase 1, and "Mystic Mine" remains on your field, that is not destroyed. [You can even activate "Field Barrier" to protect it from destroying during the End Phase of your this turn.]

[quote="Cromat":306uu45t][quote="Christen57":306uu45t][quote="Cromat":306uu45t]Question #31:
●[0] Opponent control a face-up Attack Position "Mist Valley Apex Avian" on their field.
●[1] During my Main Phase 1: I activate "Mystic Mine" from my respective hand.
●[2] They are activating effect of "Mist Valley Apex Avian" for negate my Spell's activation.
●[3] I activate "Skill Drain" to negate their Effect Monsters effect for protect my "Mystic Mine".
●[4] They are activating their Set "Floowandereeze and the Advent of Adventure" by banishing "Mist Valley Apex Avian".

At the end of day; "Mystic Mine" will remain on the field (after all these Chain Links resolved)?[/quote:306uu45t]

Mist Valley Apex Avian would have to successfully remove itself from the field with it's own effect to negate this activation. If it gets removed some other way, it won't negate the activation.[/quote:306uu45t]

● You mean, "Mystic Mine" still remains on the field, there is not any miss timing or something, doesn't?
● So, there is no such thing as "Floowandereeze and the Advent of Adventure" banished "Mist Valley Apex Avian", that is no longer on the field, therefore "Skill Drain" cannot negate its effect no longer, so destroy your "Mystic Mine"; right?
● You are saying still that is your Main Phase 1, and "Mystic Mine" remains on your field, that is not destroyed. [You can even activate "Field Barrier" to protect it from destroying during the End Phase of your this turn.][/quote:306uu45t]
Ok, let's resolve:
CL4: They search with Advent
CL3: Skill Drain resolves
CL2: Avian can't return to hand, it resolves without effect
CL1: Mine resolves
Mine will be on the field, but make sure to not get it destroyed by it's own effect

[quote="Cromat":394c6dzy]So, when that mentioned Chain Link resolved; "Mystic Mine" will stay that moment on the field? The mentioned event is like the 16th question on page 4 of this topic, or not?[/quote:394c6dzy]

It's the same in that Skill Drain can't negate Apex Avian's effects and Apex Avian's effect doesn't directly require Apex on the field to apply, though given what the effect does there is an implicit need for the card targeted to still be there. The main difference boils down to what Apex Avian does as opposed to what Axon does. Avian has to return the card it targeted to hand in order to negate the activation. If Avian targeted itself, then since it is no longer on the field due to the Floowandereeze card it does not exist to be returned to hand, so it fails that part of its effect and fails the "and if you do" conjunction, so it won't negate the activation.

Everyone assumed Apex targeted itself, and given you mentioned no other Mist Valleys to target and this seems to be in a Floowandereeze deck that's not an unreasonable assumption. You never actually said it targeted itself, and on the off chance it targeted something else, I'll note that Apex would return that card successfully to hand and negate the activation of Mystic Mine without issue. In that case then this becomes more or less the same as question 4 for all the relevant purposes we're concerned about here. I'm guessing it's paragraph 1 that's going to be covering what you're after though.

[quote="Cromat":303k9e9j]Question #32:
Opponent controls a face-up "Cyber Dragon Herz", then activate "Machine Duplication" by targeting "Cyber Dragon Herz". I activated to that Spell's activation the "Bad Aim" by targeting "Cyber Dragon Herz". Can opponent still Summon of their "Cyber Dragon" monsters?[/quote:303k9e9j]
No target? No effect on resolution

Question #33:

[1] Opponent Summons of "Salamangreat Heatleo" during their Main Phase 1. And you give response to that by activating your Set "Demise of the Land".
● Because of priority that is opponent's turn therefore "Salamangreat Heatleo" will resolve first then they can shuffle 1 card from your Spell & Trap Zone into your Deck then your Quick-Play Spell resolves and you can place your "Mystic Mine".
● When "Salamangreat Heatleo" Summoned: Because of the priorty, they can target 1 card from your Spell & Trap Zone; then your "Mystic Mine" arrives to field, and they can shuffle of your "Mystic Mine" into your Deck back.

[2] Opponent Summons of "Tri-Brigade Shuraig the Ominous Omen" during their Main Phase 1. And you give response of that by activating your Set "Demise of the Land".
● Opponent's turn it is so, they can banish 1 card on the field. For example if they pointed your Set "Demise of the Land" for meaning banish it. And if you activated that Quick-Play Spell to response of that Link Monster's Summon: Your Quick-Play Spell is banished and your "Mystic Mine" arrive to field successfully.
● Chain Links resolve backwards, so your "Mystic Mine" will arrives to field, then your opponent banish it.

According to [1] and [2]; what happens (which one starting with [●]) as correctly, explain please. If there is something as wrong to event(s), explain it too. Then fix it by explaining correct one.

[quote="Cromat":3ced4i08]Question #33:

[1] Opponent Summons of "Salamangreat Heatleo" during their Main Phase 1. And you give response to that by activating your Set "Demise of the Land".
● Because of priority that is opponent's turn therefore "Salamangreat Heatleo" will resolve first then they can shuffle 1 card from your Spell & Trap Zone into your Deck then your Quick-Play Spell resolves and you can place your "Mystic Mine".
● When "Salamangreat Heatleo" Summoned: Because of the priorty, they can target 1 card from your Spell & Trap Zone; then your "Mystic Mine" arrives to field, and they can shuffle of your "Mystic Mine" into your Deck back.

[2] Opponent Summons of "Tri-Brigade Shuraig the Ominous Omen" during their Main Phase 1. And you give response of that by activating your Set "Demise of the Land".
● Opponent's turn it is so, they can banish 1 card on the field. For example if they pointed your Set "Demise of the Land" for meaning banish it. And if you activated that Quick-Play Spell to response of that Link Monster's Summon: Your Quick-Play Spell is banished and your "Mystic Mine" arrive to field successfully.
● Chain Links resolve backwards, so your "Mystic Mine" will arrives to field, then your opponent banish it.

According to [1] and [2]; what happens (which one starting with [●]) as correctly, explain please. If there is something as wrong to event(s), explain it too. Then fix it by explaining correct one.[/quote:3ced4i08]
Since Heatleo targets, it cannot get rid of a Mine placed off of Demise of the Land because it won't be targeting the Mine placed during resolving the Chain. However, Shuraig doesn't target, so it designates the card to banish when the effect resolves. Therefore, Shuraig can banish the Mine since it will be on the field when Shuraig's effect resolves.

[quote="Cromat":10378o6z]Question #34:

For "Sky Striker Maneuver - Vector Blast"; when I activated that.. For shuffle into Deck of my opponent's monsters from Extra Monster Zone, must be in my GY 3 or more Spell that when I activated, or, when I send 2 cards from top of my Deck to GY, after that, now there are 3 or more Spell became at my GY; for I can shuffle cards from my opponent's Extra Monster Zone's to their Deck?

(I hope I succeeded to make you understand the question that I asked.)[/quote:10378o6z]

https://db.ygorganization.com/qa#21992

Question #35:

I had drawn a card from my Main Deck by misunderstanding "Extra Net"; when opponent made a Special Summon from their Main Deck, opponent warned me, so I placed it to top of my Deck back. Should I shuffle my Deck or I have to show that illegal drawn card to my opponent? What should be done? (The opponent told me "You have to show that card to me because that is Ruling." But I know as that illegal drawn card(s) must place to top of Deck in same order and Deck shouldn't shuffle. Or do you prefer to give a warning me?)

[quote="Cromat":312snyk8]Question #35:

I had drawn a card from my Main Deck by misunderstanding "Extra Net"; when opponent made a Special Summon from their Main Deck, opponent warned me, so I placed it to top of my Deck back. Should I shuffle my Deck or I have to show that illegal drawn card to my opponent? What should be done? (The opponent told me "You have to show that card to me because that is Ruling." But I know as that illegal drawn card(s) must place to top of Deck in same order and Deck shouldn't shuffle. Or do you prefer to give a warning me?)[/quote:312snyk8]
Well, you do make an irreparable game state through this. I remember someone telling that was the reason Time Seal got banned at some point. For allowing Rule Sharking. I guess I would show and place the card on top, but according to Konami's Policy, and I quote

Giving  false  information  about  information  that  is  considered  Private  Knowledge,  or  intentionally revealing information that is considered Private Knowledge, may result in a Disqualification penalty.

Which includes the Deck, so in theory, while in organized play, like rated, you could get a penalty from that.

[quote="Cromat":2t6bvx0w]Question #35:

I had drawn a card from my Main Deck by misunderstanding "Extra Net"; when opponent made a Special Summon from their Main Deck, opponent warned me, so I placed it to top of my Deck back. Should I shuffle my Deck or I have to show that illegal drawn card to my opponent? What should be done? (The opponent told me "You have to show that card to me because that is Ruling." But I know as that illegal drawn card(s) must place to top of Deck in same order and Deck shouldn't shuffle. Or do you prefer to give a warning me?)[/quote:2t6bvx0w]

[quote="Lil Oldman":2t6bvx0w][quote="Cromat":2t6bvx0w]Question #35:

I had drawn a card from my Main Deck by misunderstanding "Extra Net"; when opponent made a Special Summon from their Main Deck, opponent warned me, so I placed it to top of my Deck back. Should I shuffle my Deck or I have to show that illegal drawn card to my opponent? What should be done? (The opponent told me "You have to show that card to me because that is Ruling." But I know as that illegal drawn card(s) must place to top of Deck in same order and Deck shouldn't shuffle. Or do you prefer to give a warning me?)[/quote:2t6bvx0w]
Well, you do make an irreparable game state through this. I remember someone telling that was the reason Time Seal got banned at some point. For allowing Rule Sharking. I guess I would show and place the card on top, but according to Konami's Policy, and I quote

Giving  false  information  about  information  that  is  considered  Private  Knowledge,  or  intentionally revealing information that is considered Private Knowledge, may result in a Disqualification penalty.

Which includes the Deck, so in theory, while in organized play, like rated, you could get a penalty from that.[/quote:2t6bvx0w]

https://img.yugioh-card.com/en/download ... _v_2_1.pdf Page 22

1. DC – Minor: (Warning)
This penalty is appropriate when a Duelist has drawn cards from their Deck when not allowed to
do so, and the cards can be clearly identified by both Duelists or logically identified by a judge.

• The cards should be shown to both Duelists and then returned to their original areas, in
their original order.

I read the wrong part of the document, fuck

Question #36:

* Opponent's "Sea Stealth Attack" banished "Adamancipator Risen - Dragite" until the End Phase. My opponent argues as Cromat's "Mystic Mine" destroys during End Phase first, and then, I can return of my Synchro monster to the field back while there is no around that Field Spell anymore.
* I argues as that Trap banishes the monster until End Phase, therefore during End Phase, my opponent still has a monster, so my Field Spell will not be destroyed.

- What will happen? (Explain the situation accurately.)

[quote="Cromat":3q4txx0m]Question #36:

* Opponent's "Sea Stealth Attack" banished "Adamancipator Risen - Dragite" until the End Phase. My opponent argues as Cromat's "Mystic Mine" destroys during End Phase first, and then, I can return of my Synchro monster to the field back while there is no around that Field Spell anymore.
* I argues as that Trap banishes the monster until End Phase, therefore during End Phase, my opponent still has a monster, so my Field Spell will not be destroyed.

- What will happen? (Explain the situation accurately.)[/quote:3q4txx0m]
[url:3q4txx0m]https://www.yugioh-card.com/en/play/fast-effect-timing/[/url:3q4txx0m]
The turn player would have priority to activate an effect, but this also means they have to resolve mandatory effects first (the non-turn player doesn't get priority until an effect(s) that start a chain are activated, or all mandatory things are resolved). If you have the Mine and it is your turn, Mine activates before Sea Stealth Attack returns the Dragite, if you have the Mine and it is not your turn, they should resolve Sea Stealth Attack first, returning the monster and possibly making Mine no longer trigger.

[quote="greg503":1aw7vkvi][quote="Cromat":1aw7vkvi]Question #36:

* Opponent's "Sea Stealth Attack" banished "Adamancipator Risen - Dragite" until the End Phase. My opponent argues as Cromat's "Mystic Mine" destroys during End Phase first, and then, I can return of my Synchro monster to the field back while there is no around that Field Spell anymore.
* I argues as that Trap banishes the monster until End Phase, therefore during End Phase, my opponent still has a monster, so my Field Spell will not be destroyed.

- What will happen? (Explain the situation accurately.)[/quote:1aw7vkvi]
[url:1aw7vkvi]https://www.yugioh-card.com/en/play/fast-effect-timing/[/url:1aw7vkvi]
The turn player would have priority to activate an effect, but this also means they have to resolve mandatory effects first (the non-turn player doesn't get priority until an effect(s) that start a chain are activated, or all mandatory things are resolved). If you have the Mine and it is your turn, Mine activates before Sea Stealth Attack returns the Dragite, if you have the Mine and it is not your turn, they should resolve Sea Stealth Attack first, returning the monster and possibly making Mine no longer trigger.[/quote:1aw7vkvi]

Well, it was my turn. (I just ended my turn, and my opponent activated their Trap's effect by banishing that Synchro Monster..)
[quote="Genexwrecker":1aw7vkvi]I hate konami[/quote:1aw7vkvi]

[quote="Cromat":qh9s5y2l][quote="greg503":qh9s5y2l][quote="Cromat":qh9s5y2l]Question #36:

* Opponent's "Sea Stealth Attack" banished "Adamancipator Risen - Dragite" until the End Phase. My opponent argues as Cromat's "Mystic Mine" destroys during End Phase first, and then, I can return of my Synchro monster to the field back while there is no around that Field Spell anymore.
* I argues as that Trap banishes the monster until End Phase, therefore during End Phase, my opponent still has a monster, so my Field Spell will not be destroyed.

- What will happen? (Explain the situation accurately.)[/quote:qh9s5y2l]
[url:qh9s5y2l]https://www.yugioh-card.com/en/play/fast-effect-timing/[/url:qh9s5y2l]
The turn player would have priority to activate an effect, but this also means they have to resolve mandatory effects first (the non-turn player doesn't get priority until an effect(s) that start a chain are activated, or all mandatory things are resolved). If you have the Mine and it is your turn, Mine activates before Sea Stealth Attack returns the Dragite, if you have the Mine and it is not your turn, they should resolve Sea Stealth Attack first, returning the monster and possibly making Mine no longer trigger.[/quote:qh9s5y2l]

Well, it was my turn. (I just ended my turn, and my opponent activated their Trap's effect by banishing that Synchro Monster..)
[quote="Genexwrecker":qh9s5y2l]I hate konami[/quote:qh9s5y2l][/quote:qh9s5y2l]
Since it was your turn you WOULD lose Mine

Question.

Playing some oldschool yugioh, i'm playing pre-eratta Imperial Order. I.O is currently active on the board. Can you activate an equip card at this time and have it stay on the board?

Specifically, he was playing Maha Vailo, he wanted to equip it with a card for the Effect and 500 atk boost. Will I.O negate and send to grave? or will it just negate the attack boost of the spell itself and leave it on board? (I know it doesn't destroy, is the action of equipping to a monster part of the effect of an equip card? Does I.O negate activations, or is it specifically just the effect)

[quote="ouro456":2if3mm7z]Question.

Playing some oldschool yugioh, i'm playing pre-eratta Imperial Order. I.O is currently active on the board. Can you activate an equip card at this time and have it stay on the board?

Specifically, he was playing Maha Vailo, he wanted to equip it with a card for the Effect and 500 atk boost. Will I.O negate and send to grave? or will it just negate the attack boost of the spell itself and leave it on board? (I know it doesn't destroy, is the action of equipping to a monster part of the effect of an equip card? Does I.O negate activations, or is it specifically just the effect)[/quote:2if3mm7z]

Equipping Equip Spells is a mechanic not an effect, so the Equip Spell stays on the field with its effects negated.

I don't really know where to put this, but my laptop lost power in a duel earlier today, so I tried to log in on my computer down stairs but it said I was already logged in. Tried to do it again downstairs like 10ish times before coming up to my lap top and trying again, only for the same already logged in screen to pop up. Is there a time period I have to wait before trying to log in again?

[quote="Cromat":jdco8xsl]Question #37:

Opponent has a "Paleozoic Marrella" on their side of the field as Set while you've a face-up "Macro Cosmos". Opponent activates that Trap.. So.. 1 Trap can go to GY or it will be banished because my "Macro Cosmos" or no Trap can be banished nor sent from Deck?[/quote:jdco8xsl]
Assuming Chain Link 1 Macro Cosmos and Chain Link 2 Paleozoic Marrella the chain will resolve backwards.