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Tl:Dr; if you want more judges then pass the judge exam and become one.

This issue has existed since Dueling network and the answer is the same, judges are not babysitters, they are not paid they have lives of their own, if you cannot be adults and play on a platform that doesn't force compliance then there are plenty of other platforms to play on. The idea of chaining DB judges to their desks to answer "does ash negate desires" is ridiculous, 9/10 issues judges are called for can be resolved by reading the cards and being adults. If someone's trolling, leave, no one but you cares about your fake internet points. If someone is harassing you, block, report, move on.

Judges shouldn't be responsible for your poor judgement or lack of common sense.

Honestly, for a judge during in the rating, i waiting 4 hours or that judge is a "ghost" lately

[quote="ominous":3qzz0got]Tl:Dr; if you want more judges then pass the judge exam and become one.

This issue has existed since Dueling network and the answer is the same, judges are not babysitters, they are not paid they have lives of their own, if you cannot be adults and play on a platform that doesn't force compliance then there are plenty of other platforms to play on. The idea of chaining DB judges to their desks to answer "does ash negate desires" is ridiculous, 9/10 issues judges are called for can be resolved by reading the cards and being adults. If someone's trolling, leave, no one but you cares about your fake internet points. If someone is harassing you, block, report, move on.

Judges shouldn't be responsible for your poor judgement or lack of common sense.[/quote:3qzz0got]
You are missing the entire point. People want more judges to stop being taken advantage when one isn't online. Also not everyone is fir nor does have the ability to be a judge. Multiple YCS toppers play on this website and have had many issues with the lack of judges. No judge being on for hours is simply not sustainable and unacceptable.Also I didn't see people complaining about the lack on judges on DN. I can confirm this myself as I consistently see the same judge names on from time to time. Not other judges which shows the inactivity of judges.

[quote="Sound4":3dmjldr1]I can confirm this myself as I consistently see the same judge names on from time to time. Not other judges which shows the inactivity of judges.[/quote:3dmjldr1]
Because the judges you see are the only active judges on the platform, never mind time zones

We are always open to hiring more judges, but for obvious reasons we are very selective. Our consideration for someone becoming a judge starts with passing the DB judge exam. We value ruling competence on DB, hence why our judge exam is (intended to be) more difficult than the Konami RC-2 exam.

As mentioned above, DB judges are not paid. This is a hobby to us and, therefore, we have jobs, school, relationships, etc. to keep up with as well. It's also easy to get burnt out really quickly. When starting, it's not unusual for a judge to want to take upwards of 50 judge calls a day every day for a few months, which causes them to then take a long break. That kind of burnout really happens often, especially since judge calls on DB can get a bit more...argumentative compared to judge calls you'd take at a Konami sanctioned event.

[quote="MarshieDemon":2tvovpcv]We are always open to hiring more judges, but for obvious reasons we are very selective. Our consideration for someone becoming a judge starts with passing the DB judge exam. We value ruling competence on DB, hence why our judge exam is (intended to be) more difficult than the Konami RC-2 exam.

As mentioned above, DB judges are not paid. This is a hobby to us and, therefore, we have jobs, school, relationships, etc. to keep up with as well. It's also easy to get burnt out really quickly. When starting, it's not unusual for a judge to want to take upwards of 50 judge calls a day every day for a few months, which causes them to then take a long break. That kind of burnout really happens often, especially since judge calls on DB can get a bit more...argumentative compared to judge calls you'd take at a Konami sanctioned event.[/quote:2tvovpcv]
You simply don't understand how the players feel. Waiting on a judge for hours without one on. You judges say this because you don't know how it feels and you will never understand because of your positions on DB. This is a serious issue on DB that has not been fixed for years. That is simply pathetic and the fact that you are trying to defend that is just sad. There is clearly a flaw within your system and you ignore it.

[quote="Sound4":1uft1wvi][quote="MarshieDemon":1uft1wvi]We are always open to hiring more judges, but for obvious reasons we are very selective. Our consideration for someone becoming a judge starts with passing the DB judge exam. We value ruling competence on DB, hence why our judge exam is (intended to be) more difficult than the Konami RC-2 exam.

As mentioned above, DB judges are not paid. This is a hobby to us and, therefore, we have jobs, school, relationships, etc. to keep up with as well. It's also easy to get burnt out really quickly. When starting, it's not unusual for a judge to want to take upwards of 50 judge calls a day every day for a few months, which causes them to then take a long break. That kind of burnout really happens often, especially since judge calls on DB can get a bit more...argumentative compared to judge calls you'd take at a Konami sanctioned event.[/quote:1uft1wvi]
You simply don't understand how the players feel. Waiting on a judge for hours without one on. You judges say this because you don't know how it feels and you will never understand because of your positions on DB. This is a serious issue on DB that has not been fixed for years. That is simply pathetic and the fact that you are trying to defend that is just sad. There is clearly a flaw within your system and you ignore it.[/quote:1uft1wvi]
OR, you could get good at the rules and learn enough to become a DB Judge. Or at least to resolve more disputes without needing to call a judge.

[quote="greg503":2dyl4hfu][quote="Sound4":2dyl4hfu][quote="MarshieDemon":2dyl4hfu]We are always open to hiring more judges, but for obvious reasons we are very selective. Our consideration for someone becoming a judge starts with passing the DB judge exam. We value ruling competence on DB, hence why our judge exam is (intended to be) more difficult than the Konami RC-2 exam.

As mentioned above, DB judges are not paid. This is a hobby to us and, therefore, we have jobs, school, relationships, etc. to keep up with as well. It's also easy to get burnt out really quickly. When starting, it's not unusual for a judge to want to take upwards of 50 judge calls a day every day for a few months, which causes them to then take a long break. That kind of burnout really happens often, especially since judge calls on DB can get a bit more...argumentative compared to judge calls you'd take at a Konami sanctioned event.[/quote:2dyl4hfu]
You simply don't understand how the players feel. Waiting on a judge for hours without one on. You judges say this because you don't know how it feels and you will never understand because of your positions on DB. This is a serious issue on DB that has not been fixed for years. That is simply pathetic and the fact that you are trying to defend that is just sad. There is clearly a flaw within your system and you ignore it.[/quote:2dyl4hfu]
OR, you could get good at the rules and learn enough to become a DB Judge. Or at least to resolve more disputes without needing to call a judge.[/quote:2dyl4hfu]
That changes nothing. One person doesn't change a issue that has been present for years. Think before commenting. Also like I said earlier not everyone is not fit to be a judge. The fact that you intentionally ignored this shows how dishonest you are.

[quote="Sound4":2ermyu1r][quote="greg503":2ermyu1r][quote="Sound4":2ermyu1r]
You simply don't understand how the players feel. Waiting on a judge for hours without one on. You judges say this because you don't know how it feels and you will never understand because of your positions on DB. This is a serious issue on DB that has not been fixed for years. That is simply pathetic and the fact that you are trying to defend that is just sad. There is clearly a flaw within your system and you ignore it.[/quote:2ermyu1r]
OR, you could get good at the rules and learn enough to become a DB Judge. Or at least to resolve more disputes without needing to call a judge.[/quote:2ermyu1r]
That changes nothing. One person doesn't change a issue that has been present for years. Think before commenting. Also like I said earlier not everyone is not fit to be a judge. The fact that you intentionally ignored this shows how dishonest you are.[/quote:2ermyu1r]
But everyone is fit to be able to just get better at Yugioh and communicating on DB, reducing the amount of judge calls. If the skill issue of the playerbase is this bad, then there will never be enough good judges...

[quote="Sound4":mv97c7t9][quote="greg503":mv97c7t9][quote="Sound4":mv97c7t9]
You simply don't understand how the players feel. Waiting on a judge for hours without one on. You judges say this because you don't know how it feels and you will never understand because of your positions on DB. This is a serious issue on DB that has not been fixed for years. That is simply pathetic and the fact that you are trying to defend that is just sad. There is clearly a flaw within your system and you ignore it.[/quote:mv97c7t9]
OR, you could get good at the rules and learn enough to become a DB Judge. Or at least to resolve more disputes without needing to call a judge.[/quote:mv97c7t9]
That changes nothing. One person doesn't change a issue that has been present for years. Think before commenting. Also like I said earlier not everyone is not fit to be a judge. The fact that you intentionally ignored this shows how dishonest you are.[/quote:mv97c7t9]
You do know that for change to happen for others, you have to change yourself and also push others to change right?

[quote="Sound4":2rgc7q1f][quote="MarshieDemon":2rgc7q1f]We are always open to hiring more judges, but for obvious reasons we are very selective. Our consideration for someone becoming a judge starts with passing the DB judge exam. We value ruling competence on DB, hence why our judge exam is (intended to be) more difficult than the Konami RC-2 exam.

As mentioned above, DB judges are not paid. This is a hobby to us and, therefore, we have jobs, school, relationships, etc. to keep up with as well. It's also easy to get burnt out really quickly. When starting, it's not unusual for a judge to want to take upwards of 50 judge calls a day every day for a few months, which causes them to then take a long break. That kind of burnout really happens often, especially since judge calls on DB can get a bit more...argumentative compared to judge calls you'd take at a Konami sanctioned event.[/quote:2rgc7q1f]
You simply don't understand how the players feel. Waiting on a judge for hours without one on. You judges say this because you don't know how it feels and you will never understand because of your positions on DB. This is a serious issue on DB that has not been fixed for years. That is simply pathetic and the fact that you are trying to defend that is just sad. There is clearly a flaw within your system and you ignore it.[/quote:2rgc7q1f]

You can't build a house without builders. You can't run a hospital without doctors. You can't have a criminal justice system without lawyers.

If it was up to me, I'd have a judge online 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I do not have the judges to do that. I cannot force the judges I do have to work overtime for me for free. I do understand how the players feel because I am one myself. But I cannot magically snap my fingers to get a judge online the second you need one.

The only solution I have is to hire more judges. I have a judge exam to help me obtain a population where I can hire judges from. That population is pretty small, hence why we are in this position. If you'd like to help me fill that population, pass that exam yourself.

[quote="MarshieDemon":314u3uog][quote="Sound4":314u3uog][quote="MarshieDemon":314u3uog]We are always open to hiring more judges, but for obvious reasons we are very selective. Our consideration for someone becoming a judge starts with passing the DB judge exam. We value ruling competence on DB, hence why our judge exam is (intended to be) more difficult than the Konami RC-2 exam.

As mentioned above, DB judges are not paid. This is a hobby to us and, therefore, we have jobs, school, relationships, etc. to keep up with as well. It's also easy to get burnt out really quickly. When starting, it's not unusual for a judge to want to take upwards of 50 judge calls a day every day for a few months, which causes them to then take a long break. That kind of burnout really happens often, especially since judge calls on DB can get a bit more...argumentative compared to judge calls you'd take at a Konami sanctioned event.[/quote:314u3uog]
You simply don't understand how the players feel. Waiting on a judge for hours without one on. You judges say this because you don't know how it feels and you will never understand because of your positions on DB. This is a serious issue on DB that has not been fixed for years. That is simply pathetic and the fact that you are trying to defend that is just sad. There is clearly a flaw within your system and you ignore it.[/quote:314u3uog]

You can't build a house without builders. You can't run a hospital without doctors. You can't have a criminal justice system without lawyers.

If it was up to me, I'd have a judge online 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I do not have the judges to do that. I cannot force the judges I do have to work overtime for me for free. I do understand how the players feel because I am one myself. But I cannot magically snap my fingers to get a judge online the second you need one.

The only solution I have is to hire more judges. I have a judge exam to help me obtain a population where I can hire judges from. That population is pretty small, hence why we are in this position. If you'd like to help me fill that population, pass that exam yourself.[/quote:314u3uog]
Or, here's an idea.

Create a schedule for the volunteers.

And yes, even volunteers have to abide by a schedule when they volunteer to do stuff.

[quote="Sound4":9zbevsgh][quote="MarshieDemon":9zbevsgh]We are always open to hiring more judges, but for obvious reasons we are very selective. Our consideration for someone becoming a judge starts with passing the DB judge exam. We value ruling competence on DB, hence why our judge exam is (intended to be) more difficult than the Konami RC-2 exam.

As mentioned above, DB judges are not paid. This is a hobby to us and, therefore, we have jobs, school, relationships, etc. to keep up with as well. It's also easy to get burnt out really quickly. When starting, it's not unusual for a judge to want to take upwards of 50 judge calls a day every day for a few months, which causes them to then take a long break. That kind of burnout really happens often, especially since judge calls on DB can get a bit more...argumentative compared to judge calls you'd take at a Konami sanctioned event.[/quote:9zbevsgh]

You simply don't understand how the players feel. Waiting on a judge for hours without one on. You judges say this because you don't know how it feels and you will never understand because of your positions on DB. This is a serious issue on DB that has not been fixed for years. That is simply pathetic and the fact that you are trying to defend that is just sad. There is clearly a flaw within your system and you ignore it.[/quote:9zbevsgh]

You mean there don't exist judges who play on DB? Who somehow would never be in a duel that needs a judge when there isn't another online.

[quote="Renji Asuka":3g7oxmgs][quote="MarshieDemon":3g7oxmgs][quote="Sound4":3g7oxmgs]
You simply don't understand how the players feel. Waiting on a judge for hours without one on. You judges say this because you don't know how it feels and you will never understand because of your positions on DB. This is a serious issue on DB that has not been fixed for years. That is simply pathetic and the fact that you are trying to defend that is just sad. There is clearly a flaw within your system and you ignore it.[/quote:3g7oxmgs]

You can't build a house without builders. You can't run a hospital without doctors. You can't have a criminal justice system without lawyers.

If it was up to me, I'd have a judge online 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I do not have the judges to do that. I cannot force the judges I do have to work overtime for me for free. I do understand how the players feel because I am one myself. But I cannot magically snap my fingers to get a judge online the second you need one.

The only solution I have is to hire more judges. I have a judge exam to help me obtain a population where I can hire judges from. That population is pretty small, hence why we are in this position. If you'd like to help me fill that population, pass that exam yourself.[/quote:3g7oxmgs]
Or, here's an idea.

Create a schedule for the volunteers.

And yes, even volunteers have to abide by a schedule when they volunteer to do stuff.[/quote:3g7oxmgs]

Or they can choose instead to reject the schedule and not volunteer for those time periods. What motivation would they have to follow-up through with a forced schedule?

[quote="Wek":2iqq58vk][quote="Renji Asuka":2iqq58vk][quote="MarshieDemon":2iqq58vk]

You can't build a house without builders. You can't run a hospital without doctors. You can't have a criminal justice system without lawyers.

If it was up to me, I'd have a judge online 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I do not have the judges to do that. I cannot force the judges I do have to work overtime for me for free. I do understand how the players feel because I am one myself. But I cannot magically snap my fingers to get a judge online the second you need one.

The only solution I have is to hire more judges. I have a judge exam to help me obtain a population where I can hire judges from. That population is pretty small, hence why we are in this position. If you'd like to help me fill that population, pass that exam yourself.[/quote:2iqq58vk]
Or, here's an idea.

Create a schedule for the volunteers.

And yes, even volunteers have to abide by a schedule when they volunteer to do stuff.[/quote:2iqq58vk]

Or they can choose instead to reject the schedule and not volunteer for those time periods. What motivation would they have to follow-up through with a forced schedule?[/quote:2iqq58vk]
Indeed, creating scheduling for judges and increasing the number of judges are at best unrelated and at worst trying to enforce a schedule would reduce that number

[quote="Wek":3vl8yqkn][quote="Renji Asuka":3vl8yqkn][quote="MarshieDemon":3vl8yqkn]

You can't build a house without builders. You can't run a hospital without doctors. You can't have a criminal justice system without lawyers.

If it was up to me, I'd have a judge online 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I do not have the judges to do that. I cannot force the judges I do have to work overtime for me for free. I do understand how the players feel because I am one myself. But I cannot magically snap my fingers to get a judge online the second you need one.

The only solution I have is to hire more judges. I have a judge exam to help me obtain a population where I can hire judges from. That population is pretty small, hence why we are in this position. If you'd like to help me fill that population, pass that exam yourself.[/quote:3vl8yqkn]
Or, here's an idea.

Create a schedule for the volunteers.

And yes, even volunteers have to abide by a schedule when they volunteer to do stuff.[/quote:3vl8yqkn]

Or they can choose instead to reject the schedule and not volunteer for those time periods. What motivation would they have to follow-up through with a forced schedule?[/quote:3vl8yqkn]
If they don't show up, they lose their status as a judge.

Simple as that.

If you can't or are not willing to put time into a schedule then you shouldn't had been a judge to begin with.

[quote="Renji Asuka":33jfti9x][quote="MarshieDemon":33jfti9x][quote="Sound4":33jfti9x]
You simply don't understand how the players feel. Waiting on a judge for hours without one on. You judges say this because you don't know how it feels and you will never understand because of your positions on DB. This is a serious issue on DB that has not been fixed for years. That is simply pathetic and the fact that you are trying to defend that is just sad. There is clearly a flaw within your system and you ignore it.[/quote:33jfti9x]

You can't build a house without builders. You can't run a hospital without doctors. You can't have a criminal justice system without lawyers.

If it was up to me, I'd have a judge online 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I do not have the judges to do that. I cannot force the judges I do have to work overtime for me for free. I do understand how the players feel because I am one myself. But I cannot magically snap my fingers to get a judge online the second you need one.

The only solution I have is to hire more judges. I have a judge exam to help me obtain a population where I can hire judges from. That population is pretty small, hence why we are in this position. If you'd like to help me fill that population, pass that exam yourself.[/quote:33jfti9x]
Or, here's an idea.

Create a schedule for the volunteers.

And yes, even volunteers have to abide by a schedule when they volunteer to do stuff.[/quote:33jfti9x]
Actually you don’t go off somebody else’s schedule when you volunteer. You go off your own. Its volunteer. Aka not something one needs go do and does when they are able to. They volunteer at places and hours that work for them not the owner. The entire point of volunteer is it something extra you do in your free time not someone else’s. Even these so called places that demand volunteer schedules still have people working at only hours the volunteer can work or agree to. Hobbies like this also cannot remotely be compared to an actual volunteer job. Even the owner just does things when they are able and not on a schedule no matter how badly the site may need it.

[quote="Renji Asuka":1wgl230k][quote="MarshieDemon":1wgl230k][quote="Sound4":1wgl230k]
You simply don't understand how the players feel. Waiting on a judge for hours without one on. You judges say this because you don't know how it feels and you will never understand because of your positions on DB. This is a serious issue on DB that has not been fixed for years. That is simply pathetic and the fact that you are trying to defend that is just sad. There is clearly a flaw within your system and you ignore it.[/quote:1wgl230k]

You can't build a house without builders. You can't run a hospital without doctors. You can't have a criminal justice system without lawyers.

If it was up to me, I'd have a judge online 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I do not have the judges to do that. I cannot force the judges I do have to work overtime for me for free. I do understand how the players feel because I am one myself. But I cannot magically snap my fingers to get a judge online the second you need one.

The only solution I have is to hire more judges. I have a judge exam to help me obtain a population where I can hire judges from. That population is pretty small, hence why we are in this position. If you'd like to help me fill that population, pass that exam yourself.[/quote:1wgl230k]
Or, here's an idea.

Create a schedule for the volunteers.

And yes, even volunteers have to abide by a schedule when they volunteer to do stuff.[/quote:1wgl230k]

Being told when you have to work is the definition of the antonym of "volunteer."

If I told my judges "Here's the times you have to judge. If you don't like it, get out." then I'd have exactly 2 judges on my staff. If that.

[quote="Renji Asuka":1bnp6brb][quote="Wek":1bnp6brb][quote="Renji Asuka":1bnp6brb]
Or, here's an idea.

Create a schedule for the volunteers.

And yes, even volunteers have to abide by a schedule when they volunteer to do stuff.[/quote:1bnp6brb]

Or they can choose instead to reject the schedule and not volunteer for those time periods. What motivation would they have to follow-up through with a forced schedule?[/quote:1bnp6brb]
If they don't show up, they lose their status as a judge.

Simple as that.

If you can't or are not willing to put time into a schedule then you shouldn't had been a judge to begin with.[/quote:1bnp6brb]

Ok, so they lose their status as a judge, and now there are less judges? Now the judges who left have fewer things to deal with, and there are fewer judges. That number would likely only go down from there as judges decide it's better not to deal with the timelines. Don't see there being enough judges left over to sustain whatever schedule it is you're looking for.

[quote="Genexwrecker":2t327tzl][quote="Renji Asuka":2t327tzl][quote="MarshieDemon":2t327tzl]

You can't build a house without builders. You can't run a hospital without doctors. You can't have a criminal justice system without lawyers.

If it was up to me, I'd have a judge online 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I do not have the judges to do that. I cannot force the judges I do have to work overtime for me for free. I do understand how the players feel because I am one myself. But I cannot magically snap my fingers to get a judge online the second you need one.

The only solution I have is to hire more judges. I have a judge exam to help me obtain a population where I can hire judges from. That population is pretty small, hence why we are in this position. If you'd like to help me fill that population, pass that exam yourself.[/quote:2t327tzl]
Or, here's an idea.

Create a schedule for the volunteers.

And yes, even volunteers have to abide by a schedule when they volunteer to do stuff.[/quote:2t327tzl]
Actually you don’t go off somebody else’s schedule when you volunteer. You go off your own. Its volunteer. Aka not something one needs go do and does when they are able to. They volunteer at places and hours that work for them not the owner. The entire point of volunteer is it something extra you do in your free time not someone else’s. Even these so called places that demand volunteer schedules still have people working at only hours the volunteer can work or agree to. Hobbies like this also cannot remotely be compared to an actual volunteer job. Even the owner just does things when they are able and not on a schedule no matter how badly the site may need it.[/quote:2t327tzl]
Actually you do go off someone's schedule when you volunteer.

I volunteered at the church to pass out food each month, guess what? I have to be there by 9 AM to help set everything up and to pass out food as people come early.

I have volunteered to help set up plays, again I had to show up at a certain time.

So this idea that "you don't go off somebody's else's schedule when you volunteer" isn't an actual argument. All you're doing is creating excuses.

[quote="Wek":3w3vu99g][quote="Renji Asuka":3w3vu99g][quote="Wek":3w3vu99g]

Or they can choose instead to reject the schedule and not volunteer for those time periods. What motivation would they have to follow-up through with a forced schedule?[/quote:3w3vu99g]
If they don't show up, they lose their status as a judge.

Simple as that.

If you can't or are not willing to put time into a schedule then you shouldn't had been a judge to begin with.[/quote:3w3vu99g]

Ok, so they lose their status as a judge, and now there are less judges? Now the judges who left have fewer things to deal with, and there are fewer judges. That number would likely only go down from there as judges decide it's better not to deal with the timelines. Don't see there being enough judges left over to sustain whatever schedule it is you're looking for.[/quote:3w3vu99g]
If judges are not doing their job, they should not be judges.

[quote="Renji Asuka":31ds8vmd][quote="Genexwrecker":31ds8vmd][quote="Renji Asuka":31ds8vmd]
Or, here's an idea.

Create a schedule for the volunteers.

And yes, even volunteers have to abide by a schedule when they volunteer to do stuff.[/quote:31ds8vmd]
Actually you don’t go off somebody else’s schedule when you volunteer. You go off your own. Its volunteer. Aka not something one needs go do and does when they are able to. They volunteer at places and hours that work for them not the owner. The entire point of volunteer is it something extra you do in your free time not someone else’s. Even these so called places that demand volunteer schedules still have people working at only hours the volunteer can work or agree to. Hobbies like this also cannot remotely be compared to an actual volunteer job. Even the owner just does things when they are able and not on a schedule no matter how badly the site may need it.[/quote:31ds8vmd]
Actually you do go off someone's schedule when you volunteer.

I volunteered at the church to pass out food each month, guess what? I have to be there by 9 AM to help set everything up and to pass out food as people come early.

I have volunteered to help set up plays, again I had to show up at a certain time.

So this idea that "you don't go off somebody's else's schedule when you volunteer" isn't an actual argument. All you're doing is creating excuses.[/quote:31ds8vmd]

I'm confused on what argument you think I'm making. If I set up schedules for my volunteer judges, they will leave. It is that simple. And I can't stop them from leaving, because I don't hold any leverage over them...because they are volunteers. And while I let Genexwrecker have SkyFyre13 and Tote as slaves, I don't hold all of them as slaves (for legal reasons, that's a joke).

These aren't excuses. It's reality.

[quote="MarshieDemon":2or6k9ij][quote="Renji Asuka":2or6k9ij][quote="Genexwrecker":2or6k9ij]
Actually you don’t go off somebody else’s schedule when you volunteer. You go off your own. Its volunteer. Aka not something one needs go do and does when they are able to. They volunteer at places and hours that work for them not the owner. The entire point of volunteer is it something extra you do in your free time not someone else’s. Even these so called places that demand volunteer schedules still have people working at only hours the volunteer can work or agree to. Hobbies like this also cannot remotely be compared to an actual volunteer job. Even the owner just does things when they are able and not on a schedule no matter how badly the site may need it.[/quote:2or6k9ij]
Actually you do go off someone's schedule when you volunteer.

I volunteered at the church to pass out food each month, guess what? I have to be there by 9 AM to help set everything up and to pass out food as people come early.

I have volunteered to help set up plays, again I had to show up at a certain time.

So this idea that "you don't go off somebody's else's schedule when you volunteer" isn't an actual argument. All you're doing is creating excuses.[/quote:2or6k9ij]

I'm confused on what argument you think I'm making. If I set up schedules for my volunteer judges, they will leave. It is that simple. And I can't stop them from leaving, because I don't hold any leverage over them...because they are volunteers. And while I let Genexwrecker have SkyFyre13 and Tote as slaves, I don't hold all of them as slaves (for legal reasons, that's a joke).

These aren't excuses. It's reality.[/quote:2or6k9ij]
So you're saying that your judges are so self centered that heaven forbid they pop on for an hour a day at a consistent time frame that will cause them to leave?

Idk, if the judges were to leave because of a schedule, they shouldn't had become judges in the first place.

Even if it's volunteer work they are still making a commitment, and if they can't fulfill that commitment then why are they judges in the first place?

Also the idea that a schedule couldn't work is really silly, as a schedule can be made around each of the judges to pop on throughout the day.

You can also provide an incentive for people to be judges if they work on the schedule for example (implying this isn't a thing already) they could get free donation stuff at a week's worth or so.

So again, all I'm hearing is excuses cause if you only try to think about how it can't work instead of how it can work we'd be here all day.

[quote="Renji Asuka":2eu6bbam][quote="Wek":2eu6bbam][quote="Renji Asuka":2eu6bbam]
If they don't show up, they lose their status as a judge.

Simple as that.

If you can't or are not willing to put time into a schedule then you shouldn't had been a judge to begin with.[/quote:2eu6bbam]

Ok, so they lose their status as a judge, and now there are less judges? Now the judges who left have fewer things to deal with, and there are fewer judges. That number would likely only go down from there as judges decide it's better not to deal with the timelines. Don't see there being enough judges left over to sustain whatever schedule it is you're looking for.[/quote:2eu6bbam]
If judges are not doing their job, they should not be judges.[/quote:2eu6bbam]

Except right now it's not part of their job to be on a schedule, nor should it be. Judging isn't even a job in the sense that they're getting paid for this. Trying to force making a schedule on volunteers looks to be a lazy attempt at a solution that's only going to make the problem worse. They did not sign up for a schedule to be forced upon them. There's no reason to tell volunteers "if you can't always help me on these exact times I don't want any of your help at all" for this situation.

[quote="Renji Asuka":2b9fc7hv][quote="Genexwrecker":2b9fc7hv][quote="Renji Asuka":2b9fc7hv]
Or, here's an idea.

Create a schedule for the volunteers.

And yes, even volunteers have to abide by a schedule when they volunteer to do stuff.[/quote:2b9fc7hv]
Actually you don’t go off somebody else’s schedule when you volunteer. You go off your own. Its volunteer. Aka not something one needs go do and does when they are able to. They volunteer at places and hours that work for them not the owner. The entire point of volunteer is it something extra you do in your free time not someone else’s. Even these so called places that demand volunteer schedules still have people working at only hours the volunteer can work or agree to. Hobbies like this also cannot remotely be compared to an actual volunteer job. Even the owner just does things when they are able and not on a schedule no matter how badly the site may need it.[/quote:2b9fc7hv]
Actually you do go off someone's schedule when you volunteer.

I volunteered at the church to pass out food each month, guess what? I have to be there by 9 AM to help set everything up and to pass out food as people come early.

I have volunteered to help set up plays, again I had to show up at a certain time.

So this idea that "you don't go off somebody's else's schedule when you volunteer" isn't an actual argument. All you're doing is creating excuses.[/quote:2b9fc7hv]

Well gee, if you have something happening at a certain time, of course you'd need volunteering to occur within a certain timeframe to even be useful. If someone was asking for volunteers for help on March 2, someone with time open only on Marsh 15 isn't going to be able to help. "I need you here at a time where you can actually do something" is not about volunteers requiring a schedule, that's just basic practicality for doing stuff. DB's calls are 24/7, relentlessly having people come out with problems, some reasonable, others absurd. They'll take the help whenever they can get it. Sometimes that will come out to longer than an hour in that day, other times it won't.

[quote="Wek":q8muua1f][quote="Renji Asuka":q8muua1f][quote="Wek":q8muua1f]

Ok, so they lose their status as a judge, and now there are less judges? Now the judges who left have fewer things to deal with, and there are fewer judges. That number would likely only go down from there as judges decide it's better not to deal with the timelines. Don't see there being enough judges left over to sustain whatever schedule it is you're looking for.[/quote:q8muua1f]
If judges are not doing their job, they should not be judges.[/quote:q8muua1f]

Except right now it's not part of their job to be on a schedule, nor should it be. Judging isn't even a job in the sense that they're getting paid for this. Trying to force making a schedule on volunteers looks to be a lazy attempt at a solution that's only going to make the problem worse. They did not sign up for a schedule to be forced upon them. There's no reason to tell volunteers "if you can't always help me on these exact times I don't want any of your help at all" for this situation.[/quote:q8muua1f]
So you rather the judge be nothing more than a glorified social club? Because that is exactly what it is currently.

I don't really know what else to tell you, dude. I've presented the dilemma as we see it, and we clearly are not going to agree on your proposed solution. We will continue to manage our judges, in terms of hiring new ones and maintaining current ones, in what we consider the most efficient and effective way possible.

[quote="Renji Asuka":3ebuzgx6][quote="Wek":3ebuzgx6][quote="Renji Asuka":3ebuzgx6]
If judges are not doing their job, they should not be judges.[/quote:3ebuzgx6]

Except right now it's not part of their job to be on a schedule, nor should it be. Judging isn't even a job in the sense that they're getting paid for this. Trying to force making a schedule on volunteers looks to be a lazy attempt at a solution that's only going to make the problem worse. They did not sign up for a schedule to be forced upon them. There's no reason to tell volunteers "if you can't always help me on these exact times I don't want any of your help at all" for this situation.[/quote:3ebuzgx6]
So you rather the judge be nothing more than a glorified social club? Because that is exactly what it is currently.[/quote:3ebuzgx6]

You're basing that on what, exactly? Them not doing the schedule you've proposed? The OP already laid out a solution, as did Marshiedemon. Pass the exam, become a judge. You can show us how easy this "1 hour schedule" is.

What was it you said "for change to happen for others, you have to change yourself and also push others to change right?". Get up there and do it, grab a friend if you want to, and show us this hypothetical solution in action. I see judges here that have thousands of calls, you'll see them write it on their profile, for example Genexwrecker claims over 19,000. That's a bit more than a glorified social club, unless you want to claim they're lying about their call count?

[quote="Wek":2m44s6ib][quote="Renji Asuka":2m44s6ib][quote="Wek":2m44s6ib]

Except right now it's not part of their job to be on a schedule, nor should it be. Judging isn't even a job in the sense that they're getting paid for this. Trying to force making a schedule on volunteers looks to be a lazy attempt at a solution that's only going to make the problem worse. They did not sign up for a schedule to be forced upon them. There's no reason to tell volunteers "if you can't always help me on these exact times I don't want any of your help at all" for this situation.[/quote:2m44s6ib]
So you rather the judge be nothing more than a glorified social club? Because that is exactly what it is currently.[/quote:2m44s6ib]

You're basing that on what, exactly? Them not doing the schedule you've proposed? The OP already laid out a solution, as did Marshiedemon. Pass the exam, become a judge. You can show us how easy this "1 hour schedule" is.

What was it you said "for change to happen for others, you have to change yourself and also push others to change right?". Get up there and do it, grab a friend if you want to, and show us this hypothetical solution in action. I see judges here that have thousands of calls, you'll see them write it on their profile, for example Genexwrecker claims over 19,000. That's a bit more than a glorified social club, unless you want to claim they're lying about their call count?[/quote:2m44s6ib]
When you rarely ever see judges online, yes it's nothing more than a glorified club.

Also Genexwrecker stated they wouldn't hire me as a judge (not because I couldn't pass the exam before you think that's why).

[quote="Renji Asuka":7ag0l114][quote="Wek":7ag0l114][quote="Renji Asuka":7ag0l114]
So you rather the judge be nothing more than a glorified social club? Because that is exactly what it is currently.[/quote:7ag0l114]

You're basing that on what, exactly? Them not doing the schedule you've proposed? The OP already laid out a solution, as did Marshiedemon. Pass the exam, become a judge. You can show us how easy this "1 hour schedule" is.

What was it you said "for change to happen for others, you have to change yourself and also push others to change right?". Get up there and do it, grab a friend if you want to, and show us this hypothetical solution in action. I see judges here that have thousands of calls, you'll see them write it on their profile, for example Genexwrecker claims over 19,000. That's a bit more than a glorified social club, unless you want to claim they're lying about their call count?[/quote:7ag0l114]
When you rarely ever see judges online, yes it's nothing more than a glorified club.

Also Genexwrecker stated they wouldn't hire me as a judge (not because I couldn't pass the exam before you think that's why).[/quote:7ag0l114]

You not seeing judges online doesn't make them a glorified club all by itself. I already mentioned the thousands of calls individual judges have taken, let alone whatever the full total is if you add all of the judges together.

Since you've brought these up though, why is it Genexwrecker says they won't hire you, and have you passed the exam? Put this claim to the test?

[quote="Wek":4ook08ix][quote="Renji Asuka":4ook08ix][quote="Wek":4ook08ix]

You're basing that on what, exactly? Them not doing the schedule you've proposed? The OP already laid out a solution, as did Marshiedemon. Pass the exam, become a judge. You can show us how easy this "1 hour schedule" is.

What was it you said "for change to happen for others, you have to change yourself and also push others to change right?". Get up there and do it, grab a friend if you want to, and show us this hypothetical solution in action. I see judges here that have thousands of calls, you'll see them write it on their profile, for example Genexwrecker claims over 19,000. That's a bit more than a glorified social club, unless you want to claim they're lying about their call count?[/quote:4ook08ix]
When you rarely ever see judges online, yes it's nothing more than a glorified club.

Also Genexwrecker stated they wouldn't hire me as a judge (not because I couldn't pass the exam before you think that's why).[/quote:4ook08ix]

You not seeing judges online doesn't make them a glorified club all by itself. I already mentioned the thousands of calls individual judges have taken, let alone whatever the full total is if you add all of the judges together.

Since you've brought these up though, why is it Genexwrecker says they won't hire you, and have you passed the exam? Put this claim to the test?[/quote:4ook08ix]
Genexwrecker doesn't like my attitude as it wouldn't be fitting for a judge, despite me having the ability to be professional. Which to be fair, I do understand their stance on the matter. Genexwrecker can correct me if I am recalling incorrectly though.

Due to that reason, I have no reason to pass the exam let alone to attempt it.

Sides, I even stated on multiple occasions I wouldn't be a good fit for it anyways, cause I'd have a 0 tolerance policy and would freeze users permanently with extreme prejudice when it comes to rule breaking and would instantly deny all appeals on the matter.

So yeah giving me any kind of power like that, can either be a really bad idea, or if circumstances required it, it'd be a boon.

[quote="Wek":3if9s9eg][quote="Renji Asuka":3if9s9eg][quote="Wek":3if9s9eg]

You're basing that on what, exactly? Them not doing the schedule you've proposed? The OP already laid out a solution, as did Marshiedemon. Pass the exam, become a judge. You can show us how easy this "1 hour schedule" is.

What was it you said "for change to happen for others, you have to change yourself and also push others to change right?". Get up there and do it, grab a friend if you want to, and show us this hypothetical solution in action. I see judges here that have thousands of calls, you'll see them write it on their profile, for example Genexwrecker claims over 19,000. That's a bit more than a glorified social club, unless you want to claim they're lying about their call count?[/quote:3if9s9eg]
When you rarely ever see judges online, yes it's nothing more than a glorified club.

Also Genexwrecker stated they wouldn't hire me as a judge (not because I couldn't pass the exam before you think that's why).[/quote:3if9s9eg]

You not seeing judges online doesn't make them a glorified club all by itself. I already mentioned the thousands of calls individual judges have taken, let alone whatever the full total is if you add all of the judges together.

Since you've brought these up though, why is it Genexwrecker says they won't hire you, and have you passed the exam? Put this claim to the test?[/quote:3if9s9eg]
They dont qualify for my standards when hiring TOs for the site and those are more forgiving than the standards for a regular judge position but not by much. They show a lot of bias that would interfere in both TO and Judge duties. I also do require that all TOs take the exam and either pass or do well enough for me to consider(if they didnt pass I will ask more of them before any interview takes place).

[quote="Renji Asuka":3kpy14am][quote="Wek":3kpy14am][quote="Renji Asuka":3kpy14am]
When you rarely ever see judges online, yes it's nothing more than a glorified club.

Also Genexwrecker stated they wouldn't hire me as a judge (not because I couldn't pass the exam before you think that's why).[/quote:3kpy14am]

You not seeing judges online doesn't make them a glorified club all by itself. I already mentioned the thousands of calls individual judges have taken, let alone whatever the full total is if you add all of the judges together.

Since you've brought these up though, why is it Genexwrecker says they won't hire you, and have you passed the exam? Put this claim to the test?[/quote:3kpy14am]
Genexwrecker doesn't like my attitude as it wouldn't be fitting for a judge, despite me having the ability to be professional. Which to be fair, I do understand their stance on the matter. Genexwrecker can correct me if I am recalling incorrectly though.

Due to that reason, I have no reason to pass the exam let alone to attempt it.

Sides, I even stated on multiple occasions I wouldn't be a good fit for it anyways, cause I'd have a 0 tolerance policy and would freeze users permanently with extreme prejudice when it comes to rule breaking and would instantly deny all appeals on the matter.

So yeah giving me any kind of power like that, can either be a really bad idea, or if circumstances required it, it'd be a boon.[/quote:3kpy14am]its more about the bias than the attitude. But hey you never know till you try.

[quote="Genexwrecker":31vqd2gk][quote="Renji Asuka":31vqd2gk][quote="Wek":31vqd2gk]

You not seeing judges online doesn't make them a glorified club all by itself. I already mentioned the thousands of calls individual judges have taken, let alone whatever the full total is if you add all of the judges together.

Since you've brought these up though, why is it Genexwrecker says they won't hire you, and have you passed the exam? Put this claim to the test?[/quote:31vqd2gk]
Genexwrecker doesn't like my attitude as it wouldn't be fitting for a judge, despite me having the ability to be professional. Which to be fair, I do understand their stance on the matter. Genexwrecker can correct me if I am recalling incorrectly though.

Due to that reason, I have no reason to pass the exam let alone to attempt it.

Sides, I even stated on multiple occasions I wouldn't be a good fit for it anyways, cause I'd have a 0 tolerance policy and would freeze users permanently with extreme prejudice when it comes to rule breaking and would instantly deny all appeals on the matter.

So yeah giving me any kind of power like that, can either be a really bad idea, or if circumstances required it, it'd be a boon.[/quote:31vqd2gk]its more about the bias than the attitude. But hey you never know till you try.[/quote:31vqd2gk]
Regardless, I recognize that I'm not really suited for stuff like this. I know I can power trip very easily and I rather not be tempted.

Maybe one day I'll take the judge exam just to see how well I'd do, but not until I get my invite to worlds so I can prove to myself that I truly know the ins and outs of the game to an extremely high degree.

[quote="Renji Asuka":2d85rlif][quote="Genexwrecker":2d85rlif][quote="Renji Asuka":2d85rlif]
Or, here's an idea.

Create a schedule for the volunteers.

And yes, even volunteers have to abide by a schedule when they volunteer to do stuff.[/quote:2d85rlif]
Actually you don’t go off somebody else’s schedule when you volunteer. You go off your own. Its volunteer. Aka not something one needs go do and does when they are able to. They volunteer at places and hours that work for them not the owner. The entire point of volunteer is it something extra you do in your free time not someone else’s. Even these so called places that demand volunteer schedules still have people working at only hours the volunteer can work or agree to. Hobbies like this also cannot remotely be compared to an actual volunteer job. Even the owner just does things when they are able and not on a schedule no matter how badly the site may need it.[/quote:2d85rlif]
Actually you do go off someone's schedule when you volunteer.

I volunteered at the church to pass out food each month, guess what? I have to be there by 9 AM to help set everything up and to pass out food as people come early.

I have volunteered to help set up plays, again I had to show up at a certain time.

So this idea that "you don't go off somebody's else's schedule when you volunteer" isn't an actual argument. All you're doing is creating excuses.[/quote:2d85rlif]
DB isnt a church, judge positions are not the same as a food drive that is organized once a month.

If you arent mature enough to talk to your opponent to resolve an issue, or leave the duel when the opponent clearly has no intentions of playing the game, then you should not play ranked.
if someone is cheating, trolling, stalling or otherwise preventing the game from progressing, then leave the duel report the player and move on, that is how you can help with the "judge issue"

[quote="ominous":1p8r9bzd][quote="Renji Asuka":1p8r9bzd][quote="Genexwrecker":1p8r9bzd]
Actually you don’t go off somebody else’s schedule when you volunteer. You go off your own. Its volunteer. Aka not something one needs go do and does when they are able to. They volunteer at places and hours that work for them not the owner. The entire point of volunteer is it something extra you do in your free time not someone else’s. Even these so called places that demand volunteer schedules still have people working at only hours the volunteer can work or agree to. Hobbies like this also cannot remotely be compared to an actual volunteer job. Even the owner just does things when they are able and not on a schedule no matter how badly the site may need it.[/quote:1p8r9bzd]
Actually you do go off someone's schedule when you volunteer.

I volunteered at the church to pass out food each month, guess what? I have to be there by 9 AM to help set everything up and to pass out food as people come early.

I have volunteered to help set up plays, again I had to show up at a certain time.

So this idea that "you don't go off somebody's else's schedule when you volunteer" isn't an actual argument. All you're doing is creating excuses.[/quote:1p8r9bzd]
DB isnt a church, judge positions are not the same as a food drive that is organized once a month.[/quote:1p8r9bzd]
Tell me you don't understand how volunteering works without telling me.

[quote="MarshieDemon":2bwfxa6e][quote="Sound4":2bwfxa6e][quote="MarshieDemon":2bwfxa6e]We are always open to hiring more judges, but for obvious reasons we are very selective. Our consideration for someone becoming a judge starts with passing the DB judge exam. We value ruling competence on DB, hence why our judge exam is (intended to be) more difficult than the Konami RC-2 exam.

As mentioned above, DB judges are not paid. This is a hobby to us and, therefore, we have jobs, school, relationships, etc. to keep up with as well. It's also easy to get burnt out really quickly. When starting, it's not unusual for a judge to want to take upwards of 50 judge calls a day every day for a few months, which causes them to then take a long break. That kind of burnout really happens often, especially since judge calls on DB can get a bit more...argumentative compared to judge calls you'd take at a Konami sanctioned event.[/quote:2bwfxa6e]
You simply don't understand how the players feel. Waiting on a judge for hours without one on. I do understand how the players feel because I am one myself. This is a serious issue on DB that has not been fixed for years. That is simply pathetic and the fact that you are trying to defend that is just sad. There is clearly a flaw within your system and you ignore it.[/quote:2bwfxa6e]

You can't build a house without builders. You can't run a hospital without doctors. You can't have a criminal justice system without lawyers.

If it was up to me, I'd have a judge online 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I do not have the judges to do that. I cannot force the judges I do have to work overtime for me for free. I do understand how the players feel because I am one myself. But I cannot magically snap my fingers to get a judge online the second you need one.

The only solution I have is to hire more judges. I do understand how the players feel because I am one myself.[/quote:2bwfxa6e]
I am going to be honest Marshie. You have so poorly read my post which resulted in a objectively false statement. Let me break it down.

"I cannot force the judges I do have to work overtime for me for free."
Even though you are one of the more active judges I don't see what "overtime" you are talking about. Dealing with a long judge call isn't working "overtime" it is something to be expected doing a judge call and any judge should leave themselves with plenty of free time in case of a long judge call. Like this duel:https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=51030049

"I do understand how the players feel because I am one myself"
Marshie Marshie Marshie. Did you read my post? Seriously? I clearly said that the reason you judges would not be able to understand the players feelings is because of your positions on DB. If you were playing a duel on DB you would be able to solve most rulings that may come up because you are a judge. Neither player would not have to be forced to call a judge. So no you will never understand. You being a player as well is irrelevant.

You later on talk about me passing the exam myself to fill the DB "population". Again you clearly didn't read what I said. One person will not change an issue that has been present that years. So what difference would a single person make?

There clearly needs to be a talk with the DB community about how to fix the issue of inactivity of judges. In fact it feels like the issue has gotten worse with there being more judges. Why keep repeating the same thing when it has not worked for years?

[quote="MarshieDemon":846omt3f][quote="Renji Asuka":846omt3f][quote="Genexwrecker":846omt3f]
Actually you don’t go off somebody else’s schedule when you volunteer. You go off your own. Its volunteer. Aka not something one needs go do and does when they are able to. They volunteer at places and hours that work for them not the owner. The entire point of volunteer is it something extra you do in your free time not someone else’s. Even these so called places that demand volunteer schedules still have people working at only hours the volunteer can work or agree to. Hobbies like this also cannot remotely be compared to an actual volunteer job. Even the owner just does things when they are able and not on a schedule no matter how badly the site may need it.[/quote:846omt3f]
Actually you do go off someone's schedule when you volunteer.

I volunteered at the church to pass out food each month, guess what? I have to be there by 9 AM to help set everything up and to pass out food as people come early.

I have volunteered to help set up plays, again I had to show up at a certain time.

So this idea that "you don't go off somebody's else's schedule when you volunteer" isn't an actual argument. All you're doing is creating excuses.[/quote:846omt3f]

I'm confused on what argument you think I'm making. If I set up schedules for my volunteer judges, they will leave. It is that simple. And I can't stop them from leaving, because I don't hold any leverage over them...because they are volunteers. And while I let Genexwrecker have SkyFyre13 and Tote as slaves, I don't hold all of them as slaves (for legal reasons, that's a joke).

These aren't excuses. It's reality.[/quote:846omt3f]
You have not even tried it. How do you know they "will" leave? You have no evidence to support that.

[quote="Renji Asuka":36nd53uj][quote="ominous":36nd53uj][quote="Renji Asuka":36nd53uj]
Actually you do go off someone's schedule when you volunteer.

I volunteered at the church to pass out food each month, guess what? I have to be there by 9 AM to help set everything up and to pass out food as people come early.

I have volunteered to help set up plays, again I had to show up at a certain time.

So this idea that "you don't go off somebody's else's schedule when you volunteer" isn't an actual argument. All you're doing is creating excuses.[/quote:36nd53uj]
DB isnt a church, judge positions are not the same as a food drive that is organized once a month.[/quote:36nd53uj]
Tell me you don't understand how volunteering works without telling me.[/quote:36nd53uj]
Volunteering is offering your time willingly without payment. Youre confusing a judge, the person, with judging, the actual work that they're volunteering to do. Having the ability to do something does not require you to do it, if it did, you would not be volunteering. If you have a problem with the amount of judges take the judge test and volunteer your own time.

[quote="Genexwrecker":2k5t8wfr][quote="Renji Asuka":2k5t8wfr][quote="Wek":2k5t8wfr]

You not seeing judges online doesn't make them a glorified club all by itself. I already mentioned the thousands of calls individual judges have taken, let alone whatever the full total is if you add all of the judges together.

Since you've brought these up though, why is it Genexwrecker says they won't hire you, and have you passed the exam? Put this claim to the test?[/quote:2k5t8wfr]
Genexwrecker doesn't like my attitude as it wouldn't be fitting for a judge, despite me having the ability to be professional. Which to be fair, I do understand their stance on the matter. Genexwrecker can correct me if I am recalling incorrectly though.

Due to that reason, I have no reason to pass the exam let alone to attempt it.

Sides, I even stated on multiple occasions I wouldn't be a good fit for it anyways, cause I'd have a 0 tolerance policy and would freeze users permanently with extreme prejudice when it comes to rule breaking and would instantly deny all appeals on the matter.

So yeah giving me any kind of power like that, can either be a really bad idea, or if circumstances required it, it'd be a boon.[/quote:2k5t8wfr]its more about the bias than the attitude. But hey you never know till you try.[/quote:2k5t8wfr]

"But hey you never know till you try."
This contradicts what Marshie said earlier. Try the schedule for judges then.

[quote="Sound4":3dsjvccv][quote="MarshieDemon":3dsjvccv][quote="Sound4":3dsjvccv]
You simply don't understand how the players feel. Waiting on a judge for hours without one on. I do understand how the players feel because I am one myself. This is a serious issue on DB that has not been fixed for years. That is simply pathetic and the fact that you are trying to defend that is just sad. There is clearly a flaw within your system and you ignore it.[/quote:3dsjvccv]

You can't build a house without builders. You can't run a hospital without doctors. You can't have a criminal justice system without lawyers.

If it was up to me, I'd have a judge online 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I do not have the judges to do that. I cannot force the judges I do have to work overtime for me for free. I do understand how the players feel because I am one myself. But I cannot magically snap my fingers to get a judge online the second you need one.

The only solution I have is to hire more judges. I do understand how the players feel because I am one myself.[/quote:3dsjvccv]
I am going to be honest Marshie. You have so poorly read my post which resulted in a objectively false statement. Let me break it down.

"I cannot force the judges I do have to work overtime for me for free."
Even though you are one of the more active judges I don't see what "overtime" you are talking about. Dealing with a long judge call isn't working "overtime" it is something to be expected doing a judge call and any judge should leave themselves with plenty of free time in case of a long judge call. Like this duel:https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=51030049

"I do understand how the players feel because I am one myself"
Marshie Marshie Marshie. Did you read my post? Seriously? I clearly said that the reason you judges would not be able to understand the players feelings is because of your positions on DB. If you were playing a duel on DB you would be able to solve most rulings that may come up because you are a judge. Neither player would not have to be forced to call a judge. So no you will never understand. You being a player as well is irrelevant.

You later on talk about me passing the exam myself to fill the DB "population". Again you clearly didn't read what I said. One person will not change an issue that has been present that years. So what difference would a single person make?

There clearly needs to be a talk with the DB community about how to fix the issue of inactivity of judges. In fact it feels like the issue has gotten worse with there being more judges. Why keep repeating the same thing when it has not worked for years?[/quote:3dsjvccv]
Easy to complain about a problem you have every power to assist in fixing but refuse to take part in. you want to help, apply. This is a qualification issue, not a willingness issue.

Sound4 as DB judge?

NOPE

[quote="Sound4":14kzvej2][quote="Genexwrecker":14kzvej2][quote="Renji Asuka":14kzvej2]
Genexwrecker doesn't like my attitude as it wouldn't be fitting for a judge, despite me having the ability to be professional. Which to be fair, I do understand their stance on the matter. Genexwrecker can correct me if I am recalling incorrectly though.

Due to that reason, I have no reason to pass the exam let alone to attempt it.

Sides, I even stated on multiple occasions I wouldn't be a good fit for it anyways, cause I'd have a 0 tolerance policy and would freeze users permanently with extreme prejudice when it comes to rule breaking and would instantly deny all appeals on the matter.

So yeah giving me any kind of power like that, can either be a really bad idea, or if circumstances required it, it'd be a boon.[/quote:14kzvej2]its more about the bias than the attitude. But hey you never know till you try.[/quote:14kzvej2]

"But hey you never know till you try."
This contradicts what Marshie said earlier. Try the schedule for judges then.[/quote:14kzvej2]for those concerned the schedule thing was already tried a long time ago it did not work as you might think. It was probably the most horrible idea implemented.

[quote="ominous":2866i3dd][quote="Renji Asuka":2866i3dd][quote="ominous":2866i3dd]
DB isnt a church, judge positions are not the same as a food drive that is organized once a month.[/quote:2866i3dd]
Tell me you don't understand how volunteering works without telling me.[/quote:2866i3dd]
Volunteering is offering your time willingly without payment. Youre confusing a judge, the person, with judging, the actual work that they're volunteering to do. Having the ability to do something does not require you to do it, if it did, you would not be volunteering. If you have a problem with the amount of judges take the judge test and volunteer your own time.[/quote:2866i3dd]
Any time you volunteer in real life, there is still time frames in which YOU MUST SHOW UP and WORK FOR A SET TIME.

[quote="Renji Asuka":3tn80h36][quote="ominous":3tn80h36][quote="Renji Asuka":3tn80h36]
Tell me you don't understand how volunteering works without telling me.[/quote:3tn80h36]
Volunteering is offering your time willingly without payment. Youre confusing a judge, the person, with judging, the actual work that they're volunteering to do. Having the ability to do something does not require you to do it, if it did, you would not be volunteering. If you have a problem with the amount of judges take the judge test and volunteer your own time.[/quote:3tn80h36]
Any time you volunteer in real life, there is still time frames in which YOU MUST SHOW UP and WORK FOR A SET TIME.[/quote:3tn80h36]
Outside of scheduled events such as church which is only on Sundays volunteer places take any help regardless of availability.

[quote="Genexwrecker":2kea0phh][quote="Renji Asuka":2kea0phh][quote="MarshieDemon":2kea0phh]

You can't build a house without builders. You can't run a hospital without doctors. You can't have a criminal justice system without lawyers.

If it was up to me, I'd have a judge online 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I do not have the judges to do that. I cannot force the judges I do have to work overtime for me for free. I do understand how the players feel because I am one myself. But I cannot magically snap my fingers to get a judge online the second you need one.

The only solution I have is to hire more judges. I have a judge exam to help me obtain a population where I can hire judges from. That population is pretty small, hence why we are in this position. If you'd like to help me fill that population, pass that exam yourself.[/quote:2kea0phh]
Or, here's an idea.

Create a schedule for the volunteers.

And yes, even volunteers have to abide by a schedule when they volunteer to do stuff.[/quote:2kea0phh]
Actually you don’t go off somebody else’s schedule when you volunteer. You go off your own. Its volunteer. Aka not something one needs go do and does when they are able to. They volunteer at places and hours that work for them not the owner. The entire point of volunteer is it something extra you do in your free time not someone else’s. Even these so called places that demand volunteer schedules still have people working at only hours the volunteer can work or agree to. Hobbies like this also cannot remotely be compared to an actual volunteer job. Even the owner just does things when they are able and not on a schedule no matter how badly the site may need it.[/quote:2kea0phh]
Yes you actually do have to (generally) abide by a schedule for volunteering.

If you volunteer to feed the homeless lunch, you still show up an hour or 2 earlier to help set things up, stick around to feed them, then stay to help clean things up (though I seen people leave during the clean up process).

If you volunteer to help a person move, you still should show up as early as possible to beat the heat (if in the summer).

But the way I see it, being a judge is nothing more than a glorified club.

Hell just having them online (not necessarily taking judge calls) can at least create the illusion that judges are active and will make people think twice before cheating.

Judges cannot keep existing the way it is currently as they are useless. When judges are not online for 99% of the time that's a problem. No I'm not saying that judges should be online 24/7.

There's a reason why I haven't played in Ranked in a long time (not talking about GOAT ranked as I did that semi recently just to get a feel for GOAT again) cause I find myself to get into weird situations when it comes to card rulings with no clear answer and because a judge wasn't on after 10 minutes of needing a judge, my opponent straight up quit the game. I shouldn't be able to get wins like that in ranked.

The situation was something like my opponent having a monster and I used Crackdown on it to take it. My opponent used I think Mind Control to take it back. So I tell my opponent, I never been in this situation before, so I ask them wouldn't the monster just come back to me? My opponent said yes yet they still kept spamming the target of the monster. While there was some communication issue there, I called a judge hoping to get someone more knowledgeable. I wasn't trying to steal a game I just genuinely didn't know how to proceed with that and nothing I saw online had any info for this situation.

So how can situations like this resolve properly if no judge ever goes online?

You claimed (I can't back it up one way or the other) you already tried a schedule and it didn't work. So why didn't it work? From an outsider's perspective the judges are not willing to do the job they willingly signed up for which goes back to the argument I had. Why are you a judge if you can't dedicate a set time to be active as a judge?

This isnt an argument you are incorrect end of that side topic.

[quote="Renji Asuka":2bl8iw6t][quote="Genexwrecker":2bl8iw6t][quote="Renji Asuka":2bl8iw6t]
Or, here's an idea.

Create a schedule for the volunteers.

And yes, even volunteers have to abide by a schedule when they volunteer to do stuff.[/quote:2bl8iw6t]
Actually you don’t go off somebody else’s schedule when you volunteer. You go off your own. Its volunteer. Aka not something one needs go do and does when they are able to. They volunteer at places and hours that work for them not the owner. The entire point of volunteer is it something extra you do in your free time not someone else’s. Even these so called places that demand volunteer schedules still have people working at only hours the volunteer can work or agree to. Hobbies like this also cannot remotely be compared to an actual volunteer job. Even the owner just does things when they are able and not on a schedule no matter how badly the site may need it.[/quote:2bl8iw6t]
Yes you actually do have to (generally) abide by a schedule for volunteering.

If you volunteer to feed the homeless lunch, you still show up an hour or 2 earlier to help set things up, stick around to feed them, then stay to help clean things up (though I seen people leave during the clean up process).

If you volunteer to help a person move, you still should show up as early as possible to beat the heat (if in the summer).

But the way I see it, being a judge is nothing more than a glorified club.

Hell just having them online (not necessarily taking judge calls) can at least create the illusion that judges are active and will make people think twice before cheating.

Judges cannot keep existing the way it is currently as they are useless. When judges are not online for 99% of the time that's a problem. No I'm not saying that judges should be online 24/7.

There's a reason why I haven't played in Ranked in a long time (not talking about GOAT ranked as I did that semi recently just to get a feel for GOAT again) cause I find myself to get into weird situations when it comes to card rulings with no clear answer and because a judge wasn't on after 10 minutes of needing a judge, my opponent straight up quit the game. I shouldn't be able to get wins like that in ranked.

The situation was something like my opponent having a monster and I used Crackdown on it to take it. My opponent used I think Mind Control to take it back. So I tell my opponent, I never been in this situation before, so I ask them wouldn't the monster just come back to me? My opponent said yes yet they still kept spamming the target of the monster. While there was some communication issue there, I called a judge hoping to get someone more knowledgeable. I wasn't trying to steal a game I just genuinely didn't know how to proceed with that and nothing I saw online had any info for this situation.

So how can situations like this resolve properly if no judge ever goes online?

You claimed (I can't back it up one way or the other) you already tried a schedule and it didn't work. So why didn't it work? From an outsider's perspective the judges are not willing to do the job they willingly signed up for which goes back to the argument I had. Why are you a judge if you can't dedicate a set time to be active as a judge?[/quote:2bl8iw6t]
"Generally" not on db.

[quote="Renji Asuka":1holvos5][quote="Genexwrecker":1holvos5][quote="Renji Asuka":1holvos5]
Or, here's an idea.

Create a schedule for the volunteers.

And yes, even volunteers have to abide by a schedule when they volunteer to do stuff.[/quote:1holvos5]
Actually you don’t go off somebody else’s schedule when you volunteer. You go off your own. Its volunteer. Aka not something one needs go do and does when they are able to. They volunteer at places and hours that work for them not the owner. The entire point of volunteer is it something extra you do in your free time not someone else’s. Even these so called places that demand volunteer schedules still have people working at only hours the volunteer can work or agree to. Hobbies like this also cannot remotely be compared to an actual volunteer job. Even the owner just does things when they are able and not on a schedule no matter how badly the site may need it.[/quote:1holvos5]
Yes you actually do have to (generally) abide by a schedule for volunteering.

If you volunteer to feed the homeless lunch, you still show up an hour or 2 earlier to help set things up, stick around to feed them, then stay to help clean things up (though I seen people leave during the clean up process).

If you volunteer to help a person move, you still should show up as early as possible to beat the heat (if in the summer).

But the way I see it, being a judge is nothing more than a glorified club.

Hell just having them online (not necessarily taking judge calls) can at least create the illusion that judges are active and will make people think twice before cheating.

Judges cannot keep existing the way it is currently as they are useless. When judges are not online for 99% of the time that's a problem. No I'm not saying that judges should be online 24/7.

There's a reason why I haven't played in Ranked in a long time (not talking about GOAT ranked as I did that semi recently just to get a feel for GOAT again) cause I find myself to get into weird situations when it comes to card rulings with no clear answer and because a judge wasn't on after 10 minutes of needing a judge, my opponent straight up quit the game. I shouldn't be able to get wins like that in ranked.

The situation was something like my opponent having a monster and I used Crackdown on it to take it. My opponent used I think Mind Control to take it back. So I tell my opponent, I never been in this situation before, so I ask them wouldn't the monster just come back to me? My opponent said yes yet they still kept spamming the target of the monster. While there was some communication issue there, I called a judge hoping to get someone more knowledgeable. I wasn't trying to steal a game I just genuinely didn't know how to proceed with that and nothing I saw online had any info for this situation.

So how can situations like this resolve properly if no judge ever goes online?

You claimed (I can't back it up one way or the other) you already tried a schedule and it didn't work. So why didn't it work? From an outsider's perspective the judges are not willing to do the job they willingly signed up for which goes back to the argument I had. Why are you a judge if you can't dedicate a set time to be active as a judge?[/quote:1holvos5]
"Generally" not on db.

Nothing is stopping either of you from answering ruling questions regardless of judge status. If you did, I'm sure you would notice roughly 80 to 90% of ruling questions or answered by reading the card text

[quote="Sound4":1lsbq1bd][quote="MarshieDemon":1lsbq1bd][quote="Renji Asuka":1lsbq1bd]
Actually you do go off someone's schedule when you volunteer.

I volunteered at the church to pass out food each month, guess what? I have to be there by 9 AM to help set everything up and to pass out food as people come early.

I have volunteered to help set up plays, again I had to show up at a certain time.

So this idea that "you don't go off somebody's else's schedule when you volunteer" isn't an actual argument. All you're doing is creating excuses.[/quote:1lsbq1bd]

I'm confused on what argument you think I'm making. If I set up schedules for my volunteer judges, they will leave. It is that simple. And I can't stop them from leaving, because I don't hold any leverage over them...because they are volunteers. And while I let Genexwrecker have SkyFyre13 and Tote as slaves, I don't hold all of them as slaves (for legal reasons, that's a joke).

These aren't excuses. It's reality.[/quote:1lsbq1bd]
You have not even tried it. How do you know they "will" leave? You have no evidence to support that.[/quote:1lsbq1bd]
Let me break down the psychology here. Would you want to work voluntarily (unpaid) for a site that enforces a job like schedule? Of course not, most people don't want to work 1.5 to 2 jobs simultaneously.

[quote="Renji Asuka":38zq80gp][quote="ominous":38zq80gp][quote="Renji Asuka":38zq80gp]
Tell me you don't understand how volunteering works without telling me.[/quote:38zq80gp]
Volunteering is offering your time willingly without payment. Youre confusing a judge, the person, with judging, the actual work that they're volunteering to do. Having the ability to do something does not require you to do it, if it did, you would not be volunteering. If you have a problem with the amount of judges take the judge test and volunteer your own time.[/quote:38zq80gp]
Any time you volunteer in real life, there is still time frames in which YOU MUST SHOW UP and WORK FOR A SET TIME.[/quote:38zq80gp]

Having "in real life" is an awkward requirement when the topic in question isn't.

[quote="Renji Asuka":1xtb465k]
If you volunteer to feed the homeless lunch, you still show up an hour or 2 earlier to help set things up, stick around to feed them, then stay to help clean things up (though I seen people leave during the clean up process).

If you volunteer to help a person move, you still should show up as early as possible to beat the heat (if in the summer).

But the way I see it, being a judge is nothing more than a glorified club.

Hell just having them online (not necessarily taking judge calls) can at least create the illusion that judges are active and will make people think twice before cheating.

Judges cannot keep existing the way it is currently as they are useless. When judges are not online for 99% of the time that's a problem. No I'm not saying that judges should be online 24/7.

There's a reason why I haven't played in Ranked in a long time (not talking about GOAT ranked as I did that semi recently just to get a feel for GOAT again) cause I find myself to get into weird situations when it comes to card rulings with no clear answer and because a judge wasn't on after 10 minutes of needing a judge, my opponent straight up quit the game. I shouldn't be able to get wins like that in ranked.

The situation was something like my opponent having a monster and I used Crackdown on it to take it. My opponent used I think Mind Control to take it back. So I tell my opponent, I never been in this situation before, so I ask them wouldn't the monster just come back to me? My opponent said yes yet they still kept spamming the target of the monster. While there was some communication issue there, I called a judge hoping to get someone more knowledgeable. I wasn't trying to steal a game I just genuinely didn't know how to proceed with that and nothing I saw online had any info for this situation.

So how can situations like this resolve properly if no judge ever goes online?

You claimed (I can't back it up one way or the other) you already tried a schedule and it didn't work. So why didn't it work? From an outsider's perspective the judges are not willing to do the job they willingly signed up for which goes back to the argument I had. Why are you a judge if you can't dedicate a set time to be active as a judge?[/quote:1xtb465k]

So much of this already got covered. viewtopic.php?p=97018#p97018 (post #25) just for starters with all the scheduling stuff. No lunch or heat for DB scheduling to worry about. It's going to get very boring to link to the past posts that reply to your points if you keep repeating stuff already answered though. That wasn't the only one, but I'm not going to go do that for every repeated point.

[quote="Wek":37bt0tbm][quote="Renji Asuka":37bt0tbm][quote="ominous":37bt0tbm]
Volunteering is offering your time willingly without payment. Youre confusing a judge, the person, with judging, the actual work that they're volunteering to do. Having the ability to do something does not require you to do it, if it did, you would not be volunteering. If you have a problem with the amount of judges take the judge test and volunteer your own time.[/quote:37bt0tbm]
Any time you volunteer in real life, there is still time frames in which YOU MUST SHOW UP and WORK FOR A SET TIME.[/quote:37bt0tbm]

Having "in real life" is an awkward requirement when the topic in question isn't.[/quote:37bt0tbm]
Irrelevant, volunteer work is volunteer work regardless if it's online or real life.

[quote="Renji Asuka":13jdz72q][quote="Wek":13jdz72q][quote="Renji Asuka":13jdz72q]
Any time you volunteer in real life, there is still time frames in which YOU MUST SHOW UP and WORK FOR A SET TIME.[/quote:13jdz72q]

Having "in real life" is an awkward requirement when the topic in question isn't.[/quote:13jdz72q]
Irrelevant, volunteer work is volunteer work regardless if it's online or real life.[/quote:13jdz72q]
Irrelevant kinda like you arguing, the answer won't change, the problem is not judges db needs better players.

[quote="ominous":1ni2le9m][quote="Renji Asuka":1ni2le9m][quote="Wek":1ni2le9m]

Having "in real life" is an awkward requirement when the topic in question isn't.[/quote:1ni2le9m]
Irrelevant, volunteer work is volunteer work regardless if it's online or real life.[/quote:1ni2le9m]
Irrelevant kinda like you arguing, the answer won't change, the problem is not judges db needs better players.[/quote:1ni2le9m]
Glad you're okay with judges being lazy and not doing their job.

Uhh, guys - why are we treating "online" as not being a part of real life? This isn't some alternate reality kind of thing.

Online is still "real life".

What you should be referring to is "personal" or offline.

[quote="Renji Asuka":350m4hf5][quote="ominous":350m4hf5][quote="Renji Asuka":350m4hf5]
Irrelevant, volunteer work is volunteer work regardless if it's online or real life.[/quote:350m4hf5]
Irrelevant kinda like you arguing, the answer won't change, the problem is not judges db needs better players.[/quote:350m4hf5]
Glad you're okay with judges being lazy and not doing their job.[/quote:350m4hf5]
They are doing their job they just aren't doing it on your schedule, they're judges, not babysitters. Want a better environment to play in? Make one.

[quote="ScottyAdams":1an207oh]Uhh, guys - why are we treating "online" as not being a part of real life? This isn't some alternate reality kind of thing.

Online is still "real life".

What you should be referring to is "personal" or offline.[/quote:1an207oh]
Online and real life are completely different. Hence the entire reason this topic even exists

[quote="ominous":2glx7lhs][quote="Renji Asuka":2glx7lhs][quote="ominous":2glx7lhs]
Irrelevant kinda like you arguing, the answer won't change, the problem is not judges db needs better players.[/quote:2glx7lhs]
Glad you're okay with judges being lazy and not doing their job.[/quote:2glx7lhs]
They are doing their job they just aren't doing it on your schedule, they're judges, not babysitters. Want a better environment to play in? Make one.[/quote:2glx7lhs]
I never said they had to do it on my schedule. You're still creating laziness by providing excuses instead of expecting better from the judges.

But hey, if you rather have mediocrity that's your choice.

[quote="Sound4":3qxgp0pc][quote="MarshieDemon":3qxgp0pc][quote="Sound4":3qxgp0pc]
You simply don't understand how the players feel. Waiting on a judge for hours without one on. I do understand how the players feel because I am one myself. This is a serious issue on DB that has not been fixed for years. That is simply pathetic and the fact that you are trying to defend that is just sad. There is clearly a flaw within your system and you ignore it.[/quote:3qxgp0pc]

You can't build a house without builders. You can't run a hospital without doctors. You can't have a criminal justice system without lawyers.

If it was up to me, I'd have a judge online 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I do not have the judges to do that. I cannot force the judges I do have to work overtime for me for free. I do understand how the players feel because I am one myself. But I cannot magically snap my fingers to get a judge online the second you need one.

The only solution I have is to hire more judges. I do understand how the players feel because I am one myself.[/quote:3qxgp0pc]
I am going to be honest Marshie. You have so poorly read my post which resulted in a objectively false statement. Let me break it down.

"I cannot force the judges I do have to work overtime for me for free."
Even though you are one of the more active judges I don't see what "overtime" you are talking about. Dealing with a long judge call isn't working "overtime" it is something to be expected doing a judge call and any judge should leave themselves with plenty of free time in case of a long judge call. Like this duel:https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=51030049

"I do understand how the players feel because I am one myself"
Marshie Marshie Marshie. Did you read my post? Seriously? I clearly said that the reason you judges would not be able to understand the players feelings is because of your positions on DB. If you were playing a duel on DB you would be able to solve most rulings that may come up because you are a judge. Neither player would not have to be forced to call a judge. So no you will never understand. You being a player as well is irrelevant.

You later on talk about me passing the exam myself to fill the DB "population". Again you clearly didn't read what I said. One person will not change an issue that has been present that years. So what difference would a single person make?

There clearly needs to be a talk with the DB community about how to fix the issue of inactivity of judges. In fact it feels like the issue has gotten worse with there being more judges. Why keep repeating the same thing when it has not worked for years?[/quote:3qxgp0pc]

This is the most condescending thing I've ever had someone say to me. Doesn't exactly make me want to continue discussing this with you.

[quote="MarshieDemon":30mjebbo][quote="Sound4":30mjebbo][quote="MarshieDemon":30mjebbo]

You can't build a house without builders. You can't run a hospital without doctors. You can't have a criminal justice system without lawyers.

If it was up to me, I'd have a judge online 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I do not have the judges to do that. I cannot force the judges I do have to work overtime for me for free. I do understand how the players feel because I am one myself. But I cannot magically snap my fingers to get a judge online the second you need one.

The only solution I have is to hire more judges. I do understand how the players feel because I am one myself.[/quote:30mjebbo]
I am going to be honest Marshie. You have so poorly read my post which resulted in a objectively false statement. Let me break it down.

"I cannot force the judges I do have to work overtime for me for free."
Even though you are one of the more active judges I don't see what "overtime" you are talking about. Dealing with a long judge call isn't working "overtime" it is something to be expected doing a judge call and any judge should leave themselves with plenty of free time in case of a long judge call. Like this duel:https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=51030049

"I do understand how the players feel because I am one myself"
Marshie Marshie Marshie. Did you read my post? Seriously? I clearly said that the reason you judges would not be able to understand the players feelings is because of your positions on DB. If you were playing a duel on DB you would be able to solve most rulings that may come up because you are a judge. Neither player would not have to be forced to call a judge. So no you will never understand. You being a player as well is irrelevant.

You later on talk about me passing the exam myself to fill the DB "population". Again you clearly didn't read what I said. One person will not change an issue that has been present that years. So what difference would a single person make?

There clearly needs to be a talk with the DB community about how to fix the issue of inactivity of judges. In fact it feels like the issue has gotten worse with there being more judges. Why keep repeating the same thing when it has not worked for years?[/quote:30mjebbo]

This is the most condescending thing I've ever had someone say to me. Doesn't exactly make me want to continue discussing this with you.[/quote:30mjebbo]
It's simply a breakdown of your objectively false statement. Nothing to do with emotions. You clearly poorly read my post as I proved. Also some constructive criticism of your post.

"Marshie Marshie Marshie" isn't condescending?

You have lost my interest.

[quote="Sound4":1ax3noxk]

[quote="Sound4":1ax3noxk]
I am going to be honest Marshie. You have so poorly read my post which resulted in a objectively false statement. Let me break it down.

"I cannot force the judges I do have to work overtime for me for free."
Even though you are one of the more active judges I don't see what "overtime" you are talking about. Dealing with a long judge call isn't working "overtime" it is something to be expected doing a judge call and any judge should leave themselves with plenty of free time in case of a long judge call. Like this duel:https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=51030049

"I do understand how the players feel because I am one myself"
Marshie Marshie Marshie. Did you read my post? Seriously? I clearly said that the reason you judges would not be able to understand the players feelings is because of your positions on DB. If you were playing a duel on DB you would be able to solve most rulings that may come up because you are a judge. Neither player would not have to be forced to call a judge. So no you will never understand. You being a player as well is irrelevant.

You later on talk about me passing the exam myself to fill the DB "population". Again you clearly didn't read what I said. One person will not change an issue that has been present that years. So what difference would a single person make?

There clearly needs to be a talk with the DB community about how to fix the issue of inactivity of judges. In fact it feels like the issue has gotten worse with there being more judges. Why keep repeating the same thing when it has not worked for years?

This is the most condescending thing I've ever had someone say to me. Doesn't exactly make me want to continue discussing this with you.[/quote:1ax3noxk]
It's simply a breakdown of your objectively false statement. Nothing to do with emotions. You clearly poorly read my post as I proved. Also some constructive criticism of your post.[/quote:1ax3noxk]
I'm going to be honest. You have so poorly and condescendingly responded to Marshie's post that resulted in objectively false statements.

On overtime: This is about the more conventional overtime, ergo not about sometimes long judge calls. Marshie is saying they can't make judges stay on longer than they choose to such that judges can always be present.

On "player feelings": If you were a knowledgeable enough player, you would also know that rulings that may come up, even if you aren't a judge. Moreover, you don't know if Marshie does play actual games on DB, maybe in unrated or on an alt. They could be getting the "normal player experience" too.

Finally, even though one new judge wouldn't fix "the issue," there can be a number that does. What if 100 people got skilled enough to be judge candidates, and covered all the common timezones on DB?
Also, did setting it up like this still ping Marshie?

[quote="Renji Asuka":b9n7nbrl][quote="ominous":b9n7nbrl][quote="Renji Asuka":b9n7nbrl]
Glad you're okay with judges being lazy and not doing their job.[/quote:b9n7nbrl]
They are doing their job they just aren't doing it on your schedule, they're judges, not babysitters. Want a better environment to play in? Make one.[/quote:b9n7nbrl]
I never said they had to do it on my schedule. You're still creating laziness by providing excuses instead of expecting better from the judges.

But hey, if you rather have mediocrity that's your choice.[/quote:b9n7nbrl]
If I wanted to pander to mediocrity I'd continue this conversation in earnest but you came into it with a bad faith argument and no standing.

Like I've said (and you ignored) nothing stops you from answering ruling questions for rated duels, volunteer your own time if it means so much to you.

[quote="MarshieDemon":3v3qyphu]"Marshie Marshie Marshie" isn't condescending?

You have lost my interest.[/quote:3v3qyphu]
I am simply disappointed from you as you are a head admin in which you poorly read my post.

[quote="Sound4":zne9dcro][quote="MarshieDemon":zne9dcro]"Marshie Marshie Marshie" isn't condescending?

You have lost my interest.[/quote:zne9dcro]
I am simply disappointed from you as you are a head admin in which you poorly read my post.[/quote:zne9dcro]
Ur on really thin ice. Iv already removed some of your posts please stop thanks.

[quote="Genexwrecker":34ibg9aq][quote="Sound4":34ibg9aq][quote="MarshieDemon":34ibg9aq]"Marshie Marshie Marshie" isn't condescending?

You have lost my interest.[/quote:34ibg9aq]
I am simply disappointed from you as you are a head admin in which you poorly read my post.[/quote:34ibg9aq]
Ur on really thin ice. Iv already removed some of your posts please stop thanks.[/quote:34ibg9aq]
Have I done something that has broken the rules?

[quote="Sound4":hvun8uqz][quote="Genexwrecker":hvun8uqz][quote="Sound4":hvun8uqz]
I am simply disappointed from you as you are a head admin in which you poorly read my post.[/quote:hvun8uqz]
Ur on really thin ice. Iv already removed some of your posts please stop thanks.[/quote:hvun8uqz]
Have I done something that has broken the rules?[/quote:hvun8uqz]
The admin and judge tells you to stop and have removed your posts and only now you think you've broken the rules?

[quote="ominous":gi1spfbj][quote="Sound4":gi1spfbj][quote="Genexwrecker":gi1spfbj]
Ur on really thin ice. Iv already removed some of your posts please stop thanks.[/quote:gi1spfbj]
Have I done something that has broken the rules?[/quote:gi1spfbj]
The admin and judge tells you to stop and have removed your posts and only now you think you've broken the rules?[/quote:gi1spfbj]
I am asking what have I done that has broken the rules. Regardless DB has peaked a long time ago and the issue with DB won't get any better with this flawed system. At any rate DB will probably go on the decline as you can see there are more people complaining about this issue and tired of it. Whether DB wants to fix this system is their choice.

[quote="Genexwrecker":1dcpk4n7][quote="ScottyAdams":1dcpk4n7]Uhh, guys - why are we treating "online" as not being a part of real life? This isn't some alternate reality kind of thing.

Online is still "real life".

What you should be referring to is "personal" or offline.[/quote:1dcpk4n7]
Online and real life are completely different. Hence the entire reason this topic even exists[/quote:1dcpk4n7]

No, they're not. We're not in an idealised or fictional space - everything that happens here is not a distortion or reality.

"Personal" life would be a better way of putting it, or "offline".

[quote="ominous":16natgur][quote="Renji Asuka":16natgur][quote="ominous":16natgur]
They are doing their job they just aren't doing it on your schedule, they're judges, not babysitters. Want a better environment to play in? Make one.[/quote:16natgur]
I never said they had to do it on my schedule. You're still creating laziness by providing excuses instead of expecting better from the judges.

But hey, if you rather have mediocrity that's your choice.[/quote:16natgur]
If I wanted to pander to mediocrity I'd continue this conversation in earnest but you came into it with a bad faith argument and no standing.

Like I've said (and you ignored) nothing stops you from answering ruling questions for rated duels, volunteer your own time if it means so much to you.[/quote:16natgur]
There is no "bad faith argument", you just simply disagree with me, and that's fine.

This is now the fourth thread where you Renji Asuka complain and bicker about there not being a judge schedule despite being told no over and over.

The first: [url:2inqkswc]https://forum.duelingbook.com/viewtopic.php?p=72818#p72818[/url:2inqkswc]
The second: [url:2inqkswc]https://forum.duelingbook.com/viewtopic.php?p=63386#p63386[/url:2inqkswc]
The third: [url:2inqkswc]https://forum.duelingbook.com/viewtopic.php?p=57780#p57780[/url:2inqkswc]

So for the fourth time, I address your arguments.

[quote="Renji Asuka":2inqkswc][quote="Genexwrecker":2inqkswc][quote="Renji Asuka":2inqkswc]
Or, here's an idea.

Create a schedule for the volunteers.

And yes, even volunteers have to abide by a schedule when they volunteer to do stuff.[/quote:2inqkswc]
Actually you don’t go off somebody else’s schedule when you volunteer. You go off your own. Its volunteer. Aka not something one needs go do and does when they are able to. They volunteer at places and hours that work for them not the owner. The entire point of volunteer is it something extra you do in your free time not someone else’s. Even these so called places that demand volunteer schedules still have people working at only hours the volunteer can work or agree to. Hobbies like this also cannot remotely be compared to an actual volunteer job. Even the owner just does things when they are able and not on a schedule no matter how badly the site may need it.[/quote:2inqkswc]
Actually you do go off someone's schedule when you volunteer.

I volunteered at the church to pass out food each month, guess what? I have to be there by 9 AM to help set everything up and to pass out food as people come early.

I have volunteered to help set up plays, again I had to show up at a certain time.

So this idea that "you don't go off somebody's else's schedule when you volunteer" isn't an actual argument. All you're doing is creating excuses.[/quote:2inqkswc]

If the site or company you volunteer at requires you to show up at a specific time / schedule, that's their choice. They choose to require its volunteers to show up on a specific schedule.
Duelingbook's choice is different. Duelingbook chooses to allow its judges to show up at any point throughout the day they're available and when there's a judge call that needs answering. There's nothing inherently wrong with Duelinbook choosing to do these things slightly differently than the volunteer companies you're used to.

[quote="Renji Asuka":2inqkswc][quote="MarshieDemon":2inqkswc][quote="Renji Asuka":2inqkswc]
Actually you do go off someone's schedule when you volunteer.

I volunteered at the church to pass out food each month, guess what? I have to be there by 9 AM to help set everything up and to pass out food as people come early.

I have volunteered to help set up plays, again I had to show up at a certain time.

So this idea that "you don't go off somebody's else's schedule when you volunteer" isn't an actual argument. All you're doing is creating excuses.[/quote:2inqkswc]

I'm confused on what argument you think I'm making. If I set up schedules for my volunteer judges, they will leave. It is that simple. And I can't stop them from leaving, because I don't hold any leverage over them...because they are volunteers. And while I let Genexwrecker have SkyFyre13 and Tote as slaves, I don't hold all of them as slaves (for legal reasons, that's a joke).

These aren't excuses. It's reality.[/quote:2inqkswc]
So you're saying that your judges are so self centered that heaven forbid they pop on for an hour a day at a consistent time frame that will cause them to leave?[/quote:2inqkswc]

What's with your use of the term "self-centered"? Accusing judges of being self-centered is accusing them of being selfish and evil which is a bold accusation.

Some judges can find time to log in for a certain number of hours a day at a consistent timeframe, but not all judges can, so we have to let the judges operate on their own hours, and leave the other judges be who are unable to schedule specific hours.

Idk, if the judges were to leave because of a schedule, they shouldn't had become judges in the first place.

Even if it's volunteer work they are still making a commitment, and if they can't fulfill that commitment then why are they judges in the first place?

This is a valid argument if and only if duelingbook does in fact require judges to abide by specific schedules, but it doesn't, so this isn't an argument.

Also, another major reason comparing judges on this site to the volunteers at your church and food pantry doesn't work — a very important reason you're completely overlooking — is because judges on duelingbook are massively much harder to replace than random volunteers at your local church / food pantry. If someone signs up to come to the church at 9 AM to give out food and they're half an hour or so late, they can easily be fired and very easily replaced with someone else quickly. All you need in order to do decently well at such a volunteer job is to live close enough to the place in question where it won't take too long to get there, to dress appropriately, to follow very basic rules and guidelines, and follow very basic instructions and directions. This is far far easier than passing an extremely difficult judge exam for an extremely complex card game with extremely confusing obscure rulings, and it's even harder with very little time on the clock, and especially when if you fail you have to wait over a YEAR or two before you can attempt it again.

We absolutely do NOT need to make it any harder to serve as a duelingbook judge than it already is by requiring them to now abide by some kind of fixed schedule on top of all the other astronomically strict requirements to becoming and remaining a judge, because duelingbook realistically cannot afford to make such things harder at this time. When a certain group of people that are in such high demand (duelingbook judges) are that difficult to replace, you can't afford to further disincentivize new people from becoming a member of that group by introducing mandatory judge schedules.

Volunteering to hand out food at a church takes nowhere near as much skill as becoming and remaining a successful duelingbook judge. If a bunch of people quit the volunteer food pantry / church thing, it's hardly a big deal since those people will be too easy to replace since literally any high school graduate with no other education or vocational training can replace said people. If the majority of our judges on the other hand quit because we start requiring them to follow a schedule (MarshieDemon confirmed that that many of them would), it would deal a massively bigger blow.

When someone in such high demand is so hard to replace, you MUST try your best to make their life easy by at least doing things like letting them come online on their own personal schedules.

Also the idea that a schedule couldn't work is really silly, as a schedule can be made around each of the judges to pop on throughout the day.

The admins aren't telling you any "idea" that a schedule couldn't work. They are telling you a tested fact that making all judges work on a schedule doesn't work. Genexwrecker confirmed this.

You can also provide an incentive for people to be judges if they work on the schedule for example (implying this isn't a thing already) they could get free donation stuff at a week's worth or so.

The judges have confirmed that they, for every call they answer, get a certain amount of supporter status where they can use custom avatars and sleeves.

So again, all I'm hearing is excuses cause if you only try to think about how it can't work instead of how it can work we'd be here all day.

Genexwrecker and MarshieDemon didn't give you an excuse. They gave you a reason.

An excuse would be if they just didn't want to assign the judges schedules, when they easily could without issue.

In this case, it's not that they don't want to. They already made it clear they would LOVE to give the judges schedules so there would always be at least 1 judge available 24/7, but the case here is that they CAN'T.

Please understand the different between reason and excuse before you continue accusing staff of "excuses". [url:2inqkswc]https://titanstkd.com.au/excuse-vs-reason-what-is-the-difference/[/url:2inqkswc]

[quote="Renji Asuka":2inqkswc][quote="Wek":2inqkswc][quote="Renji Asuka":2inqkswc]
If judges are not doing their job, they should not be judges.[/quote:2inqkswc]

Except right now it's not part of their job to be on a schedule, nor should it be. Judging isn't even a job in the sense that they're getting paid for this. Trying to force making a schedule on volunteers looks to be a lazy attempt at a solution that's only going to make the problem worse. They did not sign up for a schedule to be forced upon them. There's no reason to tell volunteers "if you can't always help me on these exact times I don't want any of your help at all" for this situation.[/quote:2inqkswc]
So you rather the judge be nothing more than a glorified social club? Because that is exactly what it is currently.[/quote:2inqkswc]

Referring to the judge team as any sort of "club" isn't an argument. You think that's what they are? Okay. Fine. They're a club. Sure...

Doesn't change the fact that they still can't afford to require all judges to operate on a fixed schedule.

[quote="Renji Asuka":2inqkswc][quote="Genexwrecker":2inqkswc][quote="Renji Asuka":2inqkswc]
Or, here's an idea.

Create a schedule for the volunteers.

And yes, even volunteers have to abide by a schedule when they volunteer to do stuff.[/quote:2inqkswc]
Actually you don’t go off somebody else’s schedule when you volunteer. You go off your own. Its volunteer. Aka not something one needs go do and does when they are able to. They volunteer at places and hours that work for them not the owner. The entire point of volunteer is it something extra you do in your free time not someone else’s. Even these so called places that demand volunteer schedules still have people working at only hours the volunteer can work or agree to. Hobbies like this also cannot remotely be compared to an actual volunteer job. Even the owner just does things when they are able and not on a schedule no matter how badly the site may need it.[/quote:2inqkswc]
Yes you actually do have to (generally) abide by a schedule for volunteering.

If you volunteer to feed the homeless lunch, you still show up an hour or 2 earlier to help set things up, stick around to feed them, then stay to help clean things up (though I seen people leave during the clean up process).

If you volunteer to help a person move, you still should show up as early as possible to beat the heat (if in the summer).

But the way I see it, being a judge is nothing more than a glorified club.

Hell just having them online (not necessarily taking judge calls) can at least create the illusion that judges are active and will make people think twice before cheating.

Judges cannot keep existing the way it is currently as they are useless. When judges are not online for 99% of the time that's a problem. No I'm not saying that judges should be online 24/7.

There's a reason why I haven't played in Ranked in a long time (not talking about GOAT ranked as I did that semi recently just to get a feel for GOAT again) cause I find myself to get into weird situations when it comes to card rulings with no clear answer and because a judge wasn't on after 10 minutes of needing a judge, my opponent straight up quit the game. I shouldn't be able to get wins like that in ranked.

The situation was something like my opponent having a monster and I used Crackdown on it to take it. My opponent used I think Mind Control to take it back. So I tell my opponent, I never been in this situation before, so I ask them wouldn't the monster just come back to me? My opponent said yes yet they still kept spamming the target of the monster. While there was some communication issue there, I called a judge hoping to get someone more knowledgeable. I wasn't trying to steal a game I just genuinely didn't know how to proceed with that and nothing I saw online had any info for this situation.

So how can situations like this resolve properly if no judge ever goes online?

You claimed (I can't back it up one way or the other) you already tried a schedule and it didn't work. So why didn't it work? From an outsider's perspective the judges are not willing to do the job they willingly signed up for which goes back to the argument I had. Why are you a judge if you can't dedicate a set time to be active as a judge?[/quote:2inqkswc]

It didn't work, probably because, like I said, not every judge has the time to follow a consistent schedule. Some judges have real life stuff going on where they don't know when the next time they'll have free time will be. Some judges have their own constantly changing schedules outside of Duelingbook where, on Mondays they're available to judge only in the morning, on Tuesdays they're available to judge only in the afternoon, but then out of nowhere, the situation flips and now they're available to judge only in the afternoon on Mondays and only in the morning on Tuesdays. Not to mention nobody knows when each of those judges' next real life thing will come up that will require them to cancel their next judge shift(s) at the last minute...

Making every judge abide by a specific schedule would only work if we could very accurately predict the times they'd be available, but those times each judge is available every day or week changes often and will vary wildly.

This is why comparing judging on duelingbook to handling out food at your local church / pantry doesn't work. There are many careers, jobs, and volunteer opportunities out there, and people choose these things based on their wants and needs. If a person is comfortable volunteering for a position where they know he will have to show up at a specific time, and he's certain he can consistently abide by that schedule, he'll sign up for that position.

Other people on the other hand who have no idea when they will and will not be available each day of the week, or each week of the month, will instead sign up for positions such as this one that allow far more flexibility as to when they should be online. Different people with different lives and things going on in said lives need different amounts of time flexibility. Some people can handle having very limited flexibility in their lives, so they sign up for positions like your church / pantry that requires them to show up at X o'clock and work for at least X hours. Others can't handle limited flexibility. Instead, those others need a ton of flexibility, so they sign up for positions that allow that extra flexibility such as becoming a judge on this platform that allows that extra flexibility.

That's why Genexwrecker and MarshieDemon keep warning you that most judges here would be forced to quit if we try to force them to abide by a schedule — most judges are people who signed up for this position knowing they would both need, and have, that extra flexibility Duelingbook provides.

You keep pushing for this one-size-fits-all scheduling idea onto judges when said idea won't fit them all and never did fit them all.

[quote="Renji Asuka":2inqkswc][quote="ominous":2inqkswc][quote="Renji Asuka":2inqkswc]
Irrelevant, volunteer work is volunteer work regardless if it's online or real life.[/quote:2inqkswc]
Irrelevant kinda like you arguing, the answer won't change, the problem is not judges db needs better players.[/quote:2inqkswc]
Glad you're okay with judges being lazy and not doing their job.[/quote:2inqkswc]

Needing lots of flexibility and seeking it out by only applying for positions like this one that allow such flexibility isn't laziness.

You keep throwing around terms you don't truly know, using incorrect terms, and making bad comparisons and analogies. These judges are far from lazy. They have a ton on their plate. They have a ton of real life stuff going on they take care of — stuff they have to prioritize over judging on this platform. A judge who has to work 50+ hours a week in real life just to support himself, his family, or both, is "lazy" by your logic because every 2 or 3 weeks he only has enough time to log in to duelingbook for 10-20 minutes to do some judging and can't follow any judge schedule because of his own hectic real life schedule... but you don't consider any of that. All you see and think is "judge can't follow fixed schedule? mUsT bE a laZy bUm!"

I urge you to really think this idea of yours through before you keep pushing it further and annoying Genexwrecker and MarshieDemon with your accusations of "laziness" and "excuses". We have over 70 judges at the moment, all with their own timeframes, schedules, and other real life things they'll frequently have to prioritize over duelingbook. We have no idea which of those judges' availabilities will fluctuate, how or when they will, or how much they will.

I urge you to think through how much work it would take to go through the schedules of 70+ different people to see when each of them would most likely be available each week/month to see who can and should login at what times of each day of each of those weeks/months.

I urge you to think through how tedious it would be to coordinate 70+ different judges, and determine who will be online at 1 o'clock, who will be online at 2:30, who will be online at 3 o'clock, and so on, because I assume you would then also have to figure out who will each of those judges' substitutes / backup judges will be should that judge himself either fail to show up at his assigned time, or show up at his assigned time but gets burnout or something after taking just 1 call for the day so he logs off early to go rest. So I assume you'd have reserve judges ready for those kinds of scenario.

I urge you to think through how exhausting it would be to constantly monitor and keep up to date the schedules of all 70+ judges when each day at least some of their schedules will fluctuate resulting in them having more time for judging, less time for judging, or the time they can spend judging changing to different hours of the day, different days of the week, or different weeks of the month.

Since you clearly aren't thinking these things through, let me show you how mathematically difficult and tedious it would be to get all the judges' schedules from Monday to Friday to see when they'll each be available at what hours of the day and at what days of the week.

Say we try to plan out and implement your schedule idea. I assume we'd start be checking a single judge's availability for 12 AM to 12:30 AM, 12:30 AM to 1 AM, 1 AM to 1:30 AM, 1:30 AM to 2 AM, and so on, all the way to 11:30 PM back to 12 AM.

There are 24 hours in a day, and when you break that up into timeframes where it's also the hour number followed by :30 then that gives you 48 different timeframes: 12 AM, 1 AM, 2 AM, and so on, all the way to 11 PM, followed by 12:30 AM, 1:30 AM, 2:30 AM, and so on, all the way to 11:30 PM.

So we have to calculate that single judge's availability during each of those 48 different timeframes. He might be available 12 AM to 12:30 AM, unavailable 12:30 AM to... 5 AM, available 5 AM to 6:30 AM... so so far he's available at least 4 different 30 minute timeframes. For the remaining 44 30-minute timeframes, he may be available, unavailable, or some combination of both.

However, remember that there are 70+ judges at the moment, so we'd have to calculate 70+ different judges' availabilities during each of those 48 timeframes.

70 * 48 = 3,360

Then we have to calculate all of those availabilities for 7 days of the week, not just 1 day of the week, so we multiply 3,360 by 7.

3,360 * 7 = 23,520

This is what I mean when I say how difficult and tedious it would be to get the judges' availabilities and organize them properly into a judge schedule.

However, maybe that wasn't what you had in mind. Maybe what you had in mind when you suggest judge schedules was something more like this:



In other words, some kind of online Google/SharePoint spreadsheet the judges have access to, where each judge would input their username in corresponding cells to indicate what time(s) of day on each day of the week they'll be available. For example, if I was a judge following such a schedule, and I believe I'd be available to judge on the next Thursday at around 6:30 AM, I'd put my username in cell E15.



If that's more like what you had in mind, then I'm afraid even that wouldn't work as easily or nicely as you hope, let alone for many of the judges. Like, how early in advance would I have to put my username in that cell, first of all? A day in advance? Two days in advance? What if my real life schedule is so hectic that I'll only know that I'll be available at a specific 30-minute block of the day no more than an hour or two in advance? What if I put my name in, but I have to take my name out at the last minute because something just came up in my personal life I have to attend to?

Once you think this idea of yours through carefully and logically like I've done for you in this post, you realize that there are just far too many things that would have to be considered, and things that could go wrong with this judge schedule idea, for the admins to give said idea another shot, and the admins know this.

[quote="Christen57":3m21wa76]This is now the fourth thread where you Renji Asuka complain and bicker about there not being a judge schedule despite being told no over and over.

The first: [url:3m21wa76]https://forum.duelingbook.com/viewtopic.php?p=72818#p72818[/url:3m21wa76]
The second: [url:3m21wa76]https://forum.duelingbook.com/viewtopic.php?p=63386#p63386[/url:3m21wa76]
The third: [url:3m21wa76]https://forum.duelingbook.com/viewtopic.php?p=57780#p57780[/url:3m21wa76]

So for the fourth time, I address your arguments.

[quote="Renji Asuka":3m21wa76][quote="Genexwrecker":3m21wa76]
Actually you don’t go off somebody else’s schedule when you volunteer. You go off your own. Its volunteer. Aka not something one needs go do and does when they are able to. They volunteer at places and hours that work for them not the owner. The entire point of volunteer is it something extra you do in your free time not someone else’s. Even these so called places that demand volunteer schedules still have people working at only hours the volunteer can work or agree to. Hobbies like this also cannot remotely be compared to an actual volunteer job. Even the owner just does things when they are able and not on a schedule no matter how badly the site may need it.[/quote:3m21wa76]
Actually you do go off someone's schedule when you volunteer.

I volunteered at the church to pass out food each month, guess what? I have to be there by 9 AM to help set everything up and to pass out food as people come early.

I have volunteered to help set up plays, again I had to show up at a certain time.

So this idea that "you don't go off somebody's else's schedule when you volunteer" isn't an actual argument. All you're doing is creating excuses.[/quote:3m21wa76]

If the site or company you volunteer at requires you to show up at a specific time / schedule, that's their choice. They choose to require its volunteers to show up on a specific schedule.
Duelingbook's choice is different. Duelingbook chooses to allow its judges to show up at any point throughout the day they're available and when there's a judge call that needs answering. There's nothing inherently wrong with Duelinbook choosing to do these things slightly differently than the volunteer companies you're used to.

[quote="Renji Asuka":3m21wa76][quote="MarshieDemon":3m21wa76]

I'm confused on what argument you think I'm making. If I set up schedules for my volunteer judges, they will leave. It is that simple. And I can't stop them from leaving, because I don't hold any leverage over them...because they are volunteers. And while I let Genexwrecker have SkyFyre13 and Tote as slaves, I don't hold all of them as slaves (for legal reasons, that's a joke).

These aren't excuses. It's reality.[/quote:3m21wa76]
So you're saying that your judges are so self centered that heaven forbid they pop on for an hour a day at a consistent time frame that will cause them to leave?[/quote:3m21wa76]

What's with your use of the term "self-centered"? Accusing judges of being self-centered is accusing them of being selfish and evil which is a bold accusation.

Some judges can find time to log in for a certain number of hours a day at a consistent timeframe, but not all judges can, so we have to let the judges operate on their own hours, and leave the other judges be who are unable to schedule specific hours.

Idk, if the judges were to leave because of a schedule, they shouldn't had become judges in the first place.

Even if it's volunteer work they are still making a commitment, and if they can't fulfill that commitment then why are they judges in the first place?

This is a valid argument if and only if duelingbook does in fact require judges to abide by specific schedules, but it doesn't, so this isn't an argument.

Also, another major reason comparing judges on this site to the volunteers at your church and food pantry doesn't work — a very important reason you're completely overlooking — is because judges on duelingbook are massively much harder to replace than random volunteers at your local church / food pantry. If someone signs up to come to the church at 9 AM to give out food and they're half an hour or so late, they can easily be fired and very easily replaced with someone else quickly. All you need in order to do decently well at such a volunteer job is to live close enough to the place in question where it won't take too long to get there, to dress appropriately, to follow very basic rules and guidelines, and follow very basic instructions and directions. This is far far easier than passing an extremely difficult judge exam for an extremely complex card game with extremely confusing obscure rulings, and it's even harder with very little time on the clock, and especially when if you fail you have to wait over a YEAR or two before you can attempt it again.

We absolutely do NOT need to make it any harder to serve as a duelingbook judge than it already is by requiring them to now abide by some kind of fixed schedule on top of all the other astronomically strict requirements to becoming and remaining a judge, because duelingbook realistically cannot afford to make such things harder at this time. When a certain group of people that are in such high demand (duelingbook judges) are that difficult to replace, you can't afford to further disincentivize new people from becoming a member of that group by introducing mandatory judge schedules.

Volunteering to hand out food at a church takes nowhere near as much skill as becoming and remaining a successful duelingbook judge. If a bunch of people quit the volunteer food pantry / church thing, it's hardly a big deal since those people will be too easy to replace since literally any high school graduate with no other education or vocational training can replace said people. If the majority of our judges on the other hand quit because we start requiring them to follow a schedule (MarshieDemon confirmed that that many of them would), it would deal a massively bigger blow.

When someone in such high demand is so hard to replace, you MUST try your best to make their life easy by at least doing things like letting them come online on their own personal schedules.

Also the idea that a schedule couldn't work is really silly, as a schedule can be made around each of the judges to pop on throughout the day.

The admins aren't telling you any "idea" that a schedule couldn't work. They are telling you a tested fact that making all judges work on a schedule doesn't work. Genexwrecker confirmed this.

You can also provide an incentive for people to be judges if they work on the schedule for example (implying this isn't a thing already) they could get free donation stuff at a week's worth or so.

The judges have confirmed that they, for every call they answer, get a certain amount of supporter status where they can use custom avatars and sleeves.

So again, all I'm hearing is excuses cause if you only try to think about how it can't work instead of how it can work we'd be here all day.

Genexwrecker and MarshieDemon didn't give you an excuse. They gave you a reason.

An excuse would be if they just didn't want to assign the judges schedules, when they easily could without issue.

In this case, it's not that they don't want to. They already made it clear they would LOVE to give the judges schedules so there would always be at least 1 judge available 24/7, but the case here is that they CAN'T.

Please understand the different between reason and excuse before you continue accusing staff of "excuses". [url:3m21wa76]https://titanstkd.com.au/excuse-vs-reason-what-is-the-difference/[/url:3m21wa76]

[quote="Renji Asuka":3m21wa76][quote="Wek":3m21wa76]

Except right now it's not part of their job to be on a schedule, nor should it be. Judging isn't even a job in the sense that they're getting paid for this. Trying to force making a schedule on volunteers looks to be a lazy attempt at a solution that's only going to make the problem worse. They did not sign up for a schedule to be forced upon them. There's no reason to tell volunteers "if you can't always help me on these exact times I don't want any of your help at all" for this situation.[/quote:3m21wa76]
So you rather the judge be nothing more than a glorified social club? Because that is exactly what it is currently.[/quote:3m21wa76]

Referring to the judge team as any sort of "club" isn't an argument. You think that's what they are? Okay. Fine. They're a club. Sure...

Doesn't change the fact that they still can't afford to require all judges to operate on a fixed schedule.

[quote="Renji Asuka":3m21wa76][quote="Genexwrecker":3m21wa76]
Actually you don’t go off somebody else’s schedule when you volunteer. You go off your own. Its volunteer. Aka not something one needs go do and does when they are able to. They volunteer at places and hours that work for them not the owner. The entire point of volunteer is it something extra you do in your free time not someone else’s. Even these so called places that demand volunteer schedules still have people working at only hours the volunteer can work or agree to. Hobbies like this also cannot remotely be compared to an actual volunteer job. Even the owner just does things when they are able and not on a schedule no matter how badly the site may need it.[/quote:3m21wa76]
Yes you actually do have to (generally) abide by a schedule for volunteering.

If you volunteer to feed the homeless lunch, you still show up an hour or 2 earlier to help set things up, stick around to feed them, then stay to help clean things up (though I seen people leave during the clean up process).

If you volunteer to help a person move, you still should show up as early as possible to beat the heat (if in the summer).

But the way I see it, being a judge is nothing more than a glorified club.

Hell just having them online (not necessarily taking judge calls) can at least create the illusion that judges are active and will make people think twice before cheating.

Judges cannot keep existing the way it is currently as they are useless. When judges are not online for 99% of the time that's a problem. No I'm not saying that judges should be online 24/7.

There's a reason why I haven't played in Ranked in a long time (not talking about GOAT ranked as I did that semi recently just to get a feel for GOAT again) cause I find myself to get into weird situations when it comes to card rulings with no clear answer and because a judge wasn't on after 10 minutes of needing a judge, my opponent straight up quit the game. I shouldn't be able to get wins like that in ranked.

The situation was something like my opponent having a monster and I used Crackdown on it to take it. My opponent used I think Mind Control to take it back. So I tell my opponent, I never been in this situation before, so I ask them wouldn't the monster just come back to me? My opponent said yes yet they still kept spamming the target of the monster. While there was some communication issue there, I called a judge hoping to get someone more knowledgeable. I wasn't trying to steal a game I just genuinely didn't know how to proceed with that and nothing I saw online had any info for this situation.

So how can situations like this resolve properly if no judge ever goes online?

You claimed (I can't back it up one way or the other) you already tried a schedule and it didn't work. So why didn't it work? From an outsider's perspective the judges are not willing to do the job they willingly signed up for which goes back to the argument I had. Why are you a judge if you can't dedicate a set time to be active as a judge?[/quote:3m21wa76]

It didn't work, probably because, like I said, not every judge has the time to follow a consistent schedule. Some judges have real life stuff going on where they don't know when the next time they'll have free time will be. Some judges have their own constantly changing schedules outside of Duelingbook where, on Mondays they're available to judge only in the morning, on Tuesdays they're available to judge only in the afternoon, but then out of nowhere, the situation flips and now they're available to judge only in the afternoon on Mondays and only in the morning on Tuesdays. Not to mention nobody knows when each of those judges' next real life thing will come up that will require them to cancel their next judge shift(s) at the last minute...

Making every judge abide by a specific schedule would only work if we could very accurately predict the times they'd be available, but those times each judge is available every day or week changes often and will vary wildly.

This is why comparing judging on duelingbook to handling out food at your local church / pantry doesn't work. There are many careers, jobs, and volunteer opportunities out there, and people choose these things based on their wants and needs. If a person is comfortable volunteering for a position where they know he will have to show up at a specific time, and he's certain he can consistently abide by that schedule, he'll sign up for that position.

Other people on the other hand who have no idea when they will and will not be available each day of the week, or each week of the month, will instead sign up for positions such as this one that allow far more flexibility as to when they should be online. Different people with different lives and things going on in said lives need different amounts of time flexibility. Some people can handle having very limited flexibility in their lives, so they sign up for positions like your church / pantry that requires them to show up at X o'clock and work for at least X hours. Others can't handle limited flexibility. Instead, those others need a ton of flexibility, so they sign up for positions that allow that extra flexibility such as becoming a judge on this platform that allows that extra flexibility.

That's why Genexwrecker and MarshieDemon keep warning you that most judges here would be forced to quit if we try to force them to abide by a schedule — most judges are people who signed up for this position knowing they would both need, and have, that extra flexibility Duelingbook provides.

You keep pushing for this one-size-fits-all scheduling idea onto judges when said idea won't fit them all and never did fit them all.

[quote="Renji Asuka":3m21wa76][quote="ominous":3m21wa76]
Irrelevant kinda like you arguing, the answer won't change, the problem is not judges db needs better players.[/quote:3m21wa76]
Glad you're okay with judges being lazy and not doing their job.[/quote:3m21wa76]

Needing lots of flexibility and seeking it out by only applying for positions like this one that allow such flexibility isn't laziness.

You keep throwing around terms you don't truly know, using incorrect terms, and making bad comparisons and analogies. These judges are far from lazy. They have a ton on their plate. They have a ton of real life stuff going on they take care of — stuff they have to prioritize over judging on this platform. A judge who has to work 50+ hours a week in real life just to support himself, his family, or both, is "lazy" by your logic because every 2 or 3 weeks he only has enough time to log in to duelingbook for 10-20 minutes to do some judging and can't follow any judge schedule because of his own hectic real life schedule... but you don't consider any of that. All you see and think is "judge can't follow fixed schedule? mUsT bE a laZy bUm!"

I urge you to really think this idea of yours through before you keep pushing it further and annoying Genexwrecker and MarshieDemon with your accusations of "laziness" and "excuses". We have over 70 judges at the moment, all with their own timeframes, schedules, and other real life things they'll frequently have to prioritize over duelingbook. We have no idea which of those judges' availabilities will fluctuate, how or when they will, or how much they will.

I urge you to think through how much work it would take to go through the schedules of 70+ different people to see when each of them would most likely be available each week/month to see who can and should login at what times of each day of each of those weeks/months.

I urge you to think through how tedious it would be to coordinate 70+ different judges, and determine who will be online at 1 o'clock, who will be online at 2:30, who will be online at 3 o'clock, and so on, because I assume you would then also have to figure out who will each of those judges' substitutes / backup judges will be should that judge himself either fail to show up at his assigned time, or show up at his assigned time but gets burnout or something after taking just 1 call for the day so he logs off early to go rest. So I assume you'd have reserve judges ready for those kinds of scenario.

I urge you to think through how exhausting it would be to constantly monitor and keep up to date the schedules of all 70+ judges when each day at least some of their schedules will fluctuate resulting in them having more time for judging, less time for judging, or the time they can spend judging changing to different hours of the day, different days of the week, or different weeks of the month.

Since you clearly aren't thinking these things through, let me show you how mathematically difficult and tedious it would be to get all the judges' schedules from Monday to Friday to see when they'll each be available at what hours of the day and at what days of the week.

Say we try to plan out and implement your schedule idea. I assume we'd start be checking a single judge's availability for 12 AM to 12:30 AM, 12:30 AM to 1 AM, 1 AM to 1:30 AM, 1:30 AM to 2 AM, and so on, all the way to 11:30 PM back to 12 AM.

There are 24 hours in a day, and when you break that up into timeframes where it's also the hour number followed by :30 then that gives you 48 different timeframes: 12 AM, 1 AM, 2 AM, and so on, all the way to 11 PM, followed by 12:30 AM, 1:30 AM, 2:30 AM, and so on, all the way to 11:30 PM.

So we have to calculate that single judge's availability during each of those 48 different timeframes. He might be available 12 AM to 12:30 AM, unavailable 12:30 AM to... 5 AM, available 5 AM to 6:30 AM... so so far he's available at least 4 different 30 minute timeframes. For the remaining 44 30-minute timeframes, he may be available, unavailable, or some combination of both.

However, remember that there are 70+ judges at the moment, so we'd have to calculate 70+ different judges' availabilities during each of those 48 timeframes.

70 * 48 = 3,360

Then we have to calculate all of those availabilities for 7 days of the week, not just 1 day of the week, so we multiply 3,360 by 7.

3,360 * 7 = 23,520

This is what I mean when I say how difficult and tedious it would be to get the judges' availabilities and organize them properly into a judge schedule.

However, maybe that wasn't what you had in mind. Maybe what you had in mind when you suggest judge schedules was something more like this:



In other words, some kind of online Google/SharePoint spreadsheet the judges have access to, where each judge would input their username in corresponding cells to indicate what time(s) of day on each day of the week they'll be available. For example, if I was a judge following such a schedule, and I believe I'd be available to judge on the next Thursday at around 6:30 AM, I'd put my username in cell E15.



If that's more like what you had in mind, then I'm afraid even that wouldn't work as easily or nicely as you hope, let alone for many of the judges. Like, how early in advance would I have to put my username in that cell, first of all? A day in advance? Two days in advance? What if my real life schedule is so hectic that I'll only know that I'll be available at a specific 30-minute block of the day no more than an hour or two in advance? What if I put my name in, but I have to take my name out at the last minute because something just came up in my personal life I have to attend to?

Once you think this idea of yours through carefully and logically like I've done for you in this post, you realize that there are just far too many things that would have to be considered, and things that could go wrong with this judge schedule idea, for the admins to give said idea another shot, and the admins know this.[/quote:3m21wa76]

You're not going to change my mind my guy.

If you choose to volunteer for something, I will expect you to show up ON TIME. Doesn't matter if it's real life or online.

Don't show up, then expect not to be welcome.

[quote="Renji Asuka":1kuf42lt]

You're not going to change my mind my guy.

If you choose to volunteer for something, I will expect you to show up ON TIME. Doesn't matter if it's real life or online.

Don't show up, then expect not to be welcome.[/quote:1kuf42lt]

Read my post. I said:

If the site or company you volunteer at requires you to show up at a specific time / schedule, that's their choice. They choose to require its volunteers to show up on a specific schedule.
Duelingbook's choice is different. Duelingbook chooses to allow its judges to show up at any point throughout the day they're available and when there's a judge call that needs answering. There's nothing wrong with Duelinbook choosing to do these things slightly differently than the volunteer companies you're used to.

It's the organization's choice if they want to require volunteers to show up on time or not. Duelingbook has chosen not to compared to the organizations you're used to that do require volunteers to show up on a specific time.

[quote="Christen57":unkj5ade][quote="Renji Asuka":unkj5ade]

You're not going to change my mind my guy.

If you choose to volunteer for something, I will expect you to show up ON TIME. Doesn't matter if it's real life or online.

Don't show up, then expect not to be welcome.[/quote:unkj5ade]

Read my post. I said:

If the site or company you volunteer at requires you to show up at a specific time / schedule, that's their choice. They choose to require its volunteers to show up on a specific schedule.
Duelingbook's choice is different. Duelingbook chooses to allow its judges to show up at any point throughout the day they're available and when there's a judge call that needs answering. There's nothing wrong with Duelinbook choosing to do these things slightly differently than the volunteer companies you're used to.

It's the organization's choice if they want to require volunteers to show up on time or not. Duelingbook has chosen not to compared to the organizations you're used to that do require volunteers to show up on a specific time.[/quote:unkj5ade]
Yes, which brings up my previous point that being a judge is nothing more than being a part of a glorified club.

[quote="Renji Asuka":113b0oiz][quote="Christen57":113b0oiz][quote="Renji Asuka":113b0oiz]

You're not going to change my mind my guy.

If you choose to volunteer for something, I will expect you to show up ON TIME. Doesn't matter if it's real life or online.

Don't show up, then expect not to be welcome.[/quote:113b0oiz]

Read my post. I said:

If the site or company you volunteer at requires you to show up at a specific time / schedule, that's their choice. They choose to require its volunteers to show up on a specific schedule.
Duelingbook's choice is different. Duelingbook chooses to allow its judges to show up at any point throughout the day they're available and when there's a judge call that needs answering. There's nothing wrong with Duelinbook choosing to do these things slightly differently than the volunteer companies you're used to.

It's the organization's choice if they want to require volunteers to show up on time or not. Duelingbook has chosen not to compared to the organizations you're used to that do require volunteers to show up on a specific time.[/quote:113b0oiz]
Yes, which brings up my previous point that being a judge is nothing more than being a part of a glorified club.[/quote:113b0oiz]
If im in a club I want a refund

[quote="Genexwrecker":1xf2amr4]If im in a club I want a refund[/quote:1xf2amr4]

Dear Genexwrecker, the $0 you deserve has been deposited in your bank account in return for your service terminated in return for your voluntary service of more than 6 years. We hope you get back to us as soon as possible, we need your volunteer services. Have a nice day(s) with best regards.. Your high ranked Duelist obliterator;
Cromat

The solution isn't more judges, it's fewer dumb players and people who enable them.

[quote="Genexwrecker":2q98bien][quote="Renji Asuka":2q98bien][quote="Christen57":2q98bien]

Read my post. I said:

If the site or company you volunteer at requires you to show up at a specific time / schedule, that's their choice. They choose to require its volunteers to show up on a specific schedule.
Duelingbook's choice is different. Duelingbook chooses to allow its judges to show up at any point throughout the day they're available and when there's a judge call that needs answering. There's nothing wrong with Duelinbook choosing to do these things slightly differently than the volunteer companies you're used to.

It's the organization's choice if they want to require volunteers to show up on time or not. Duelingbook has chosen not to compared to the organizations you're used to that do require volunteers to show up on a specific time.[/quote:2q98bien]
Yes, which brings up my previous point that being a judge is nothing more than being a part of a glorified club.[/quote:2q98bien]
If im in a club I want a refund[/quote:2q98bien]
You get what you pay for!

[quote="Renji Asuka":4tsstllb][quote="Christen57":4tsstllb][quote="Renji Asuka":4tsstllb]

You're not going to change my mind my guy.

If you choose to volunteer for something, I will expect you to show up ON TIME. Doesn't matter if it's real life or online.

Don't show up, then expect not to be welcome.[/quote:4tsstllb]

Read my post. I said:

If the site or company you volunteer at requires you to show up at a specific time / schedule, that's their choice. They choose to require its volunteers to show up on a specific schedule.
Duelingbook's choice is different. Duelingbook chooses to allow its judges to show up at any point throughout the day they're available and when there's a judge call that needs answering. There's nothing wrong with Duelinbook choosing to do these things slightly differently than the volunteer companies you're used to.

It's the organization's choice if they want to require volunteers to show up on time or not. Duelingbook has chosen not to compared to the organizations you're used to that do require volunteers to show up on a specific time.[/quote:4tsstllb]
Yes, which brings up my previous point that being a judge is nothing more than being a part of a glorified club.[/quote:4tsstllb]

Read my post again. I already told you this isn't an argument. You're argument no longer has anything to do with your original suggestion of judge schedules if you're going to keep switching said argument to personal remarks towards the judge team and calling them a glorified club.

[quote="Genexwrecker":4tsstllb][quote="Renji Asuka":4tsstllb][quote="Christen57":4tsstllb]

Read my post. I said:

If the site or company you volunteer at requires you to show up at a specific time / schedule, that's their choice. They choose to require its volunteers to show up on a specific schedule.
Duelingbook's choice is different. Duelingbook chooses to allow its judges to show up at any point throughout the day they're available and when there's a judge call that needs answering. There's nothing wrong with Duelinbook choosing to do these things slightly differently than the volunteer companies you're used to.

It's the organization's choice if they want to require volunteers to show up on time or not. Duelingbook has chosen not to compared to the organizations you're used to that do require volunteers to show up on a specific time.[/quote:4tsstllb]
Yes, which brings up my previous point that being a judge is nothing more than being a part of a glorified club.[/quote:4tsstllb]
If im in a club I want a refund[/quote:4tsstllb]

One solution I thought of to improve the lack of judge situation that I don't think anyone else suggested yet would be to allow judges to answer some calls from their mobile devices instead of only on their PCs at home. That way, if a judge wants to quickly take care of a call or two but can't because he's not at home on the moment, but has his mobile device with him, he can take the call from said device, allowing him to get to calls much more quickly as he no longer needs to take the time to get to his computer, boot it up, and boot up duelingbook to get to the call.

[quote="Christen57":2fk8h4l0][quote="Renji Asuka":2fk8h4l0][quote="Christen57":2fk8h4l0]

Read my post. I said:

If the site or company you volunteer at requires you to show up at a specific time / schedule, that's their choice. They choose to require its volunteers to show up on a specific schedule.
Duelingbook's choice is different. Duelingbook chooses to allow its judges to show up at any point throughout the day they're available and when there's a judge call that needs answering. There's nothing wrong with Duelinbook choosing to do these things slightly differently than the volunteer companies you're used to.

It's the organization's choice if they want to require volunteers to show up on time or not. Duelingbook has chosen not to compared to the organizations you're used to that do require volunteers to show up on a specific time.[/quote:2fk8h4l0]
Yes, which brings up my previous point that being a judge is nothing more than being a part of a glorified club.[/quote:2fk8h4l0]

Read my post again. I already told you this isn't an argument. You're argument no longer has anything to do with your original suggestion of judge schedules if you're going to keep switching said argument to personal remarks towards the judge team and calling them a glorified club.

[quote="Genexwrecker":2fk8h4l0][quote="Renji Asuka":2fk8h4l0]
Yes, which brings up my previous point that being a judge is nothing more than being a part of a glorified club.[/quote:2fk8h4l0]
If im in a club I want a refund[/quote:2fk8h4l0]

One solution I thought of to improve the lack of judge situation that I don't think anyone else suggested yet would be to allow judges to answer some calls from their mobile devices instead of only on their PCs at home. That way, if a judge wants to quickly take care of a call or two but can't because he's not at home on the moment, but has his mobile device with him, he can take the call from said device, allowing him to get to calls much more quickly as he no longer needs to take the time to get to his computer, boot it up, and boot up duelingbook to get to the call.[/quote:2fk8h4l0]
Read my post again.

I told you, that you cannot change my mind on the subject.

[quote="Renji Asuka":3a5iqnwz][quote="Christen57":3a5iqnwz][quote="Renji Asuka":3a5iqnwz]
Yes, which brings up my previous point that being a judge is nothing more than being a part of a glorified club.[/quote:3a5iqnwz]

Read my post again. I already told you this isn't an argument. You're argument no longer has anything to do with your original suggestion of judge schedules if you're going to keep switching said argument to personal remarks towards the judge team and calling them a glorified club.

[quote="Genexwrecker":3a5iqnwz]
If im in a club I want a refund[/quote:3a5iqnwz]

One solution I thought of to improve the lack of judge situation that I don't think anyone else suggested yet would be to allow judges to answer some calls from their mobile devices instead of only on their PCs at home. That way, if a judge wants to quickly take care of a call or two but can't because he's not at home on the moment, but has his mobile device with him, he can take the call from said device, allowing him to get to calls much more quickly as he no longer needs to take the time to get to his computer, boot it up, and boot up duelingbook to get to the call.[/quote:3a5iqnwz]
Read my post again.

I told you, that you cannot change my mind on the subject.[/quote:3a5iqnwz]

I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm try to get you to change your approach to this discussion, and to think your idea and plan through a bit more logically. I'm asking you to provide a stronger argument in favor of your judge schedule proposal if you have any, because right now the staff is reluctant to give such an idea another try, so you'll need a stronger argument if you wish to convince them.

I'm also asking for your detailed plan on how a judge schedule would work if you're still convinced we should give it a try, like if we should just try to get every judges' availability first, or just have one of those spreadsheets I showed the screenshots of in my previous post where the judges would input their names into the cells to indicate what times / days they'd likely be available.

Or, maybe neither of those are what you have in mind and you have something even better, so if you do, we're all ears.

The solution isn't more judges it's fewer stupid players and people who enable them.

[quote="Christen57":1topq6m5][quote="Renji Asuka":1topq6m5][quote="Christen57":1topq6m5]

Read my post again. I already told you this isn't an argument. You're argument no longer has anything to do with your original suggestion of judge schedules if you're going to keep switching said argument to personal remarks towards the judge team and calling them a glorified club.



One solution I thought of to improve the lack of judge situation that I don't think anyone else suggested yet would be to allow judges to answer some calls from their mobile devices instead of only on their PCs at home. That way, if a judge wants to quickly take care of a call or two but can't because he's not at home on the moment, but has his mobile device with him, he can take the call from said device, allowing him to get to calls much more quickly as he no longer needs to take the time to get to his computer, boot it up, and boot up duelingbook to get to the call.[/quote:1topq6m5]
Read my post again.

I told you, that you cannot change my mind on the subject.[/quote:1topq6m5]

I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm try to get you to change your approach to this discussion, and to think your idea and plan through a bit more logically. I'm asking you to provide a stronger argument in favor of your judge schedule proposal if you have any, because right now the staff is reluctant to give such an idea another try, so you'll need a stronger argument if you wish to convince them.

I'm also asking for your detailed plan on how a judge schedule would work if you're still convinced we should give it a try, like if we should just try to get every judges' availability first, or just have one of those spreadsheets I showed the screenshots of in my previous post where the judges would input their names into the cells to indicate what times / days they'd likely be available.

Or, maybe neither of those are what you have in mind and you have something even better, so if you do, we're all ears.[/quote:1topq6m5]
My stance isn't changing.

No matter what you have to say my mind isn't going to change, my arguments aren't going to change.

You bringing this argument back when it was long and over with is literally pointless.

[quote="ominous":1pxvrh43]The solution isn't more judges, it's fewer dumb players and people who enable them.[/quote:1pxvrh43]
Some of it is also cards getting more complicated over time, longer text means less people want to read it.

[quote="greg503":z0cz9ppw][quote="ominous":z0cz9ppw]The solution isn't more judges, it's fewer dumb players and people who enable them.[/quote:z0cz9ppw]
Some of it is also cards getting more complicated over time, longer text means less people want to read it.[/quote:z0cz9ppw]
90% of judge calls would be eliminated if players cared less about an imaginary rating. The remaining 10% can be solved by a combination of reading comprehension and competent players answering clarifying questions.

[quote="Cromat":13eixkvr]Throughout history, it has never been seen in digital that the other party changes their minds after an argument. What you two need to do is stop trying to increase your forum post count by fighting. If you want a refund, just say so. Obviously, I'll be happy to send you $0.[/quote:13eixkvr]
You mean strangers behind a screen are less convincing and charismatic than people you know IRL? Who would have thought...

I would prefer having a type of judge under green that is slightly less competent, but able to either give a correct ruling or consult with the other judges on discord, or declare he's unable to answer and pass along.

Also, the mere existence of a judge online is a very useful deterrent to some trolls on rated.

[quote="eyal282":8qm20i68]I would prefer having a type of judge under green that is slightly less competent, but able to either give a correct ruling or consult with the other judges on discord, or declare he's unable to answer and pass along.

Also, the mere existence of a judge online is a very useful deterrent to some trolls on rated.[/quote:8qm20i68]
Thats called the newer judges

[quote="Genexwrecker":1dzeg7ds][quote="eyal282":1dzeg7ds]I would prefer having a type of judge under green that is slightly less competent, but able to either give a correct ruling or consult with the other judges on discord, or declare he's unable to answer and pass along.

Also, the mere existence of a judge online is a very useful deterrent to some trolls on rated.[/quote:1dzeg7ds]
Thats called the newer judges[/quote:1dzeg7ds]

Hmmmm...

Maybe make the judge test as hard as Konami's judge test?

Is it really total lack of interest, or is screening also taken into account?

Maybe make greens / new judges unable to see the names of the users they are taking calls from. Dueling Book is a very small community and this might affect calls, and possibly accepting a new judge.

[quote="eyal282":1ytq8wx9][quote="Genexwrecker":1ytq8wx9][quote="eyal282":1ytq8wx9]I would prefer having a type of judge under green that is slightly less competent, but able to either give a correct ruling or consult with the other judges on discord, or declare he's unable to answer and pass along.

Also, the mere existence of a judge online is a very useful deterrent to some trolls on rated.[/quote:1ytq8wx9]
Thats called the newer judges[/quote:1ytq8wx9]

Hmmmm...

Maybe make the judge test as hard as Konami's judge test?

Is it really total lack of interest, or is screening also taken into account?

Maybe make greens / new judges unable to see the names of the users they are taking calls from. Dueling Book is a very small community and this might affect calls, and possibly accepting a new judge.[/quote:1ytq8wx9]
If our test was as easy as konamis the pass rate would be over 90%. The ability to see names has 0 effect on calls. They are taken in order. Screening is taken into account. A lot of people who take the exam and pass have quite negative reputations.

[quote="eyal282":1w6j9zx5]I would prefer having a type of judge under green that is slightly less competent, but able to either give a correct ruling or consult with the other judges on discord, or declare he's unable to answer and pass along.

Also, the mere existence of a judge online is a very useful deterrent to some trolls on rated.[/quote:1w6j9zx5]
No. We do not need more, shittier judges. No judge is better than 10 bad judges.

[quote="eyal282":1jgfwnmq][quote="Genexwrecker":1jgfwnmq][quote="eyal282":1jgfwnmq]I would prefer having a type of judge under green that is slightly less competent, but able to either give a correct ruling or consult with the other judges on discord, or declare he's unable to answer and pass along.

Also, the mere existence of a judge online is a very useful deterrent to some trolls on rated.[/quote:1jgfwnmq]
Thats called the newer judges[/quote:1jgfwnmq]

Hmmmm...

Maybe make the judge test as hard as Konami's judge test?

Is it really total lack of interest, or is screening also taken into account?

Maybe make greens / new judges unable to see the names of the users they are taking calls from. Dueling Book is a very small community and this might affect calls, and possibly accepting a new judge.[/quote:1jgfwnmq]

If they can't pass the test they shouldn't be a judge on DB. The solution to the "judge problem" like I've said for years now, is not quantity, it's quality. A few quality judges and quality players who know when to leave a duel and report someone for trolling stalling or harassing players, then move on.

[quote="ominous":1e75kap4][quote="eyal282":1e75kap4][quote="Genexwrecker":1e75kap4]
Thats called the newer judges[/quote:1e75kap4]

Hmmmm...

Maybe make the judge test as hard as Konami's judge test?

Is it really total lack of interest, or is screening also taken into account?

Maybe make greens / new judges unable to see the names of the users they are taking calls from. Dueling Book is a very small community and this might affect calls, and possibly accepting a new judge.[/quote:1e75kap4]

If they can't pass the test they shouldn't be a judge on DB. The solution to the "judge problem" like I've said for years now, is not quantity, it's quality. A few quality judges and quality players who know when to leave a duel and report someone for trolling stalling or harassing players, then move on.[/quote:1e75kap4]

My opinion might not be precise, because I didn't take neither test, but you can have Coder / other Yugituber make content while training a judge.

[quote="eyal282":mt0t5rcd][quote="ominous":mt0t5rcd][quote="eyal282":mt0t5rcd]

Hmmmm...

Maybe make the judge test as hard as Konami's judge test?

Is it really total lack of interest, or is screening also taken into account?

Maybe make greens / new judges unable to see the names of the users they are taking calls from. Dueling Book is a very small community and this might affect calls, and possibly accepting a new judge.[/quote:mt0t5rcd]

If they can't pass the test they shouldn't be a judge on DB. The solution to the "judge problem" like I've said for years now, is not quantity, it's quality. A few quality judges and quality players who know when to leave a duel and report someone for trolling stalling or harassing players, then move on.[/quote:mt0t5rcd]

My opinion might not be precise, because I didn't take neither test, but you can have Coder / other Yugituber make content while training a judge.[/quote:mt0t5rcd]
No. Coder is a Judge who streams, not the other way around, and that does not mean streamers would make good judges.

[quote="ominous":1s0yojov][quote="eyal282":1s0yojov][quote="ominous":1s0yojov]

If they can't pass the test they shouldn't be a judge on DB. The solution to the "judge problem" like I've said for years now, is not quantity, it's quality. A few quality judges and quality players who know when to leave a duel and report someone for trolling stalling or harassing players, then move on.[/quote:1s0yojov]

My opinion might not be precise, because I didn't take neither test, but you can have Coder / other Yugituber make content while training a judge.[/quote:1s0yojov]
No. Coder is a Judge who streams, not the other way around, and that does not mean streamers would make good judges.[/quote:1s0yojov]
Pretty sure they meant "have Coder make videos of them training a prospective DB judge"

[quote="greg503":2csleqzh][quote="ominous":2csleqzh][quote="eyal282":2csleqzh]

My opinion might not be precise, because I didn't take neither test, but you can have Coder / other Yugituber make content while training a judge.[/quote:2csleqzh]
No. Coder is a Judge who streams, not the other way around, and that does not mean streamers would make good judges.[/quote:2csleqzh]
Pretty sure they meant "have Coder make videos of them training a prospective DB judge"[/quote:2csleqzh]
Why would they do that, the best part of coders judge content is how terrible the calls he takes are.

I know dozens of people who pass the judge exam and havent been hired, its a joke

[quote="Lachy Dachy":1yipwx7u]I know dozens of people who pass the judge exam and havent been hired, its a joke[/quote:1yipwx7u]
I know dozens of people who passed but were not qualified.

[quote="Lachy Dachy":2v9fgsax]I know dozens of people who pass the judge exam and havent been hired, its a joke[/quote:2v9fgsax]
Knowing rulings doesn't make you qualified to be a judge, they also take into consideration your behavior, and based on how you act I don't image you keep good company.

i think Duelingbook just needs a community that is willing to help!~

[quote="Aesc":3t7wsf6e]i think Duelingbook just needs a community that is willing to help!~[/quote:3t7wsf6e]
It needs smarter, better players.

[quote="Genexwrecker":qp6owapf][quote="Lachy Dachy":qp6owapf]I know dozens of people who pass the judge exam and havent been hired, its a joke[/quote:qp6owapf]
I know dozens of people who passed but were not qualified.[/quote:qp6owapf]

What are the other qualifications needed to become a judge?

[quote="Christen57":cccec79q][quote="Genexwrecker":cccec79q][quote="Lachy Dachy":cccec79q]I know dozens of people who pass the judge exam and havent been hired, its a joke[/quote:cccec79q]
I know dozens of people who passed but were not qualified.[/quote:cccec79q]

What are the other qualifications needed to become a judge?[/quote:cccec79q]
Not being an ego-centric sociopath, which eliminates an unnerving number of people.

[quote="Christen57":30mia53z][quote="Genexwrecker":30mia53z][quote="Lachy Dachy":30mia53z]I know dozens of people who pass the judge exam and havent been hired, its a joke[/quote:30mia53z]
I know dozens of people who passed but were not qualified.[/quote:30mia53z]

What are the other qualifications needed to become a judge?[/quote:30mia53z]
Well firstly passing =/= good ruling knowledge it means you can answer rulings correctly. So that still needs to be proven. Your history on the site plays a role as well as attitude

[quote="Genexwrecker":3u9brrzp][quote="Christen57":3u9brrzp][quote="Genexwrecker":3u9brrzp]
I know dozens of people who passed but were not qualified.[/quote:3u9brrzp]

What are the other qualifications needed to become a judge?[/quote:3u9brrzp]
Well firstly passing =/= good ruling knowledge it means you can answer rulings correctly. So that still needs to be proven. Your history on the site plays a role as well as attitude[/quote:3u9brrzp]
Which is why 90% of players are eliminated as judges almost instantly

[quote="ominous":q7f0czur][quote="Genexwrecker":q7f0czur][quote="Christen57":q7f0czur]

What are the other qualifications needed to become a judge?[/quote:q7f0czur]
Well firstly passing =/= good ruling knowledge it means you can answer rulings correctly. So that still needs to be proven. Your history on the site plays a role as well as attitude[/quote:q7f0czur]
Which is why 90% of players are eliminated as judges almost instantly[/quote:q7f0czur]

Could duelingbook actually list this somewhere officially so everyone knows? Like on the front page? List these extra requirements to becoming a judge aside from passing the exam.

[quote="Christen57":2usc04r9][quote="ominous":2usc04r9][quote="Genexwrecker":2usc04r9]
Well firstly passing =/= good ruling knowledge it means you can answer rulings correctly. So that still needs to be proven. Your history on the site plays a role as well as attitude[/quote:2usc04r9]
Which is why 90% of players are eliminated as judges almost instantly[/quote:2usc04r9]

Could duelingbook actually list this somewhere officially so everyone knows? Like on the front page? List these extra requirements to becoming a judge aside from passing the exam.[/quote:2usc04r9]

Well the passing score is listed on the testing page and the system won't even let you take the exam if you don't meet the minimum account age and exp requirements.

Beyond that, needing to be respectful and not break the rules seems like common sense. I don't want disrespectful people on my staff.

[quote="Christen57":3e6rqjj8][quote="ominous":3e6rqjj8][quote="Genexwrecker":3e6rqjj8]
Well firstly passing =/= good ruling knowledge it means you can answer rulings correctly. So that still needs to be proven. Your history on the site plays a role as well as attitude[/quote:3e6rqjj8]
Which is why 90% of players are eliminated as judges almost instantly[/quote:3e6rqjj8]

Could duelingbook actually list this somewhere officially so everyone knows? Like on the front page? List these extra requirements to becoming a judge aside from passing the exam.[/quote:3e6rqjj8]
If a person needs common sense and human decency listed as a hiring requirement they are already not qualified

[quote="Genexwrecker":2yte5mli][quote="Christen57":2yte5mli][quote="ominous":2yte5mli]
Which is why 90% of players are eliminated as judges almost instantly[/quote:2yte5mli]

Could duelingbook actually list this somewhere officially so everyone knows? Like on the front page? List these extra requirements to becoming a judge aside from passing the exam.[/quote:2yte5mli]
If a person needs common sense and human decency listed as a hiring requirement they are already not qualified[/quote:2yte5mli]
Db players are the kind people who would argue a factual statement is incorrect because of punctuation, they need it spelled out, otherwise they'll argue it.

[quote="ominous":1fm9rwp5][quote="Genexwrecker":1fm9rwp5][quote="Christen57":1fm9rwp5]

Could duelingbook actually list this somewhere officially so everyone knows? Like on the front page? List these extra requirements to becoming a judge aside from passing the exam.[/quote:1fm9rwp5]
If a person needs common sense and human decency listed as a hiring requirement they are already not qualified[/quote:1fm9rwp5]
Db players are the kind people who would argue a factual statement is incorrect because of punctuation, they need it spelled out, otherwise they'll argue it.[/quote:1fm9rwp5]

My counterargument to that is that our hiring choices are fairly judgmental. The passing score is the lowest bar needed to even be considered, but beyond that it just comes down to whether we think you'd be a good fit for the team. There doesn't seem to be a point to spell it out to people because if we just don't think they'd be a good fit, we just don't hire them, and there's really nothing that can be done about it.

And, I'll be honest, I'd rather have someone on my staff who doesn't need to be told to be a good person in order to be a good person. If you need to be told to be a good person to be a good person, you probably aren't a good person.

[quote="MarshieDemon":2mwag2nv][quote="ominous":2mwag2nv][quote="Genexwrecker":2mwag2nv]
If a person needs common sense and human decency listed as a hiring requirement they are already not qualified[/quote:2mwag2nv]
Db players are the kind people who would argue a factual statement is incorrect because of punctuation, they need it spelled out, otherwise they'll argue it.[/quote:2mwag2nv]

My counterargument to that is that our hiring choices are fairly judgmental. The passing score is the lowest bar needed to even be considered, but beyond that it just comes down to whether we think you'd be a good fit for the team. There doesn't seem to be a point to spell it out to people because if we just don't think they'd be a good fit, we just don't hire them, and there's really nothing that can be done about it.

And, I'll be honest, I'd rather have someone on my staff who doesn't need to be told to be a good person in order to be a good person. If you need to be told to be a good person to be a good person, you probably aren't a good person.[/quote:2mwag2nv]
And this, in addition to a lack of players actually willing to try and fix the issue they're complaining about, is why we have a "judge problem" everyone wants more judges no one wants to/ is qualified to be a judge.

[quote="MarshieDemon":1gbt37nu][quote="Christen57":1gbt37nu][quote="ominous":1gbt37nu]
Which is why 90% of players are eliminated as judges almost instantly[/quote:1gbt37nu]

Could duelingbook actually list this somewhere officially so everyone knows? Like on the front page? List these extra requirements to becoming a judge aside from passing the exam.[/quote:1gbt37nu]

Well the passing score is listed on the testing page and the system won't even let you take the exam if you don't meet the minimum account age and exp requirements.

Beyond that, needing to be respectful and not break the rules seems like common sense. I don't want disrespectful people on my staff.[/quote:1gbt37nu]

this is just a self-insert but would this be the reason I have not been considered for the role? I passed the new test when it came out but I assumed it was because my passing score was only the min benchmark. I more so want to know if its worth doing the new test when/if it comes out or if the decision is already been made.

Recently, Kitty Trouble bypasses my blacklist without permission and is still on the defense about that Yuja Drayko & friends. But really, this thing is becoming petulant and even tyranny. By far, I prefer GenexWrecker as a best judge.

[quote="DarwisBellium92":1gpuxws7]Recently, Kitty Trouble bypasses my blacklist without permission and is still on the defense about that Yuja Drayko & friends. But really, this thing is becoming petulant and even tyranny. By far, I prefer GenexWrecker as a best judge.[/quote:1gpuxws7]
judges cannot be blocked

[quote="Genexwrecker":2xn9d8m3][quote="DarwisBellium92":2xn9d8m3]Recently, Kitty Trouble bypasses my blacklist without permission and is still on the defense about that Yuja Drayko & friends. But really, this thing is becoming petulant and even tyranny. By far, I prefer GenexWrecker as a best judge.[/quote:2xn9d8m3]
judges cannot be blocked[/quote:2xn9d8m3]
Here I ask myself: how can he punish me (or intervene) if I keep the watch mode deactivated in custom duels?

[quote="DarwisBellium92":2ip3hnoz][quote="Genexwrecker":2ip3hnoz][quote="DarwisBellium92":2ip3hnoz]Recently, Kitty Trouble bypasses my blacklist without permission and is still on the defense about that Yuja Drayko & friends. But really, this thing is becoming petulant and even tyranny. By far, I prefer GenexWrecker as a best judge.[/quote:2ip3hnoz]
judges cannot be blocked[/quote:2ip3hnoz]
Here I ask myself: how can he punish me (or intervene) if I keep the watch mode deactivated in custom duels?[/quote:2ip3hnoz]
I just answered that

[quote="MarshieDemon":3rzkcrzq][quote="ominous":3rzkcrzq][quote="Genexwrecker":3rzkcrzq]
If a person needs common sense and human decency listed as a hiring requirement they are already not qualified[/quote:3rzkcrzq]
Db players are the kind people who would argue a factual statement is incorrect because of punctuation, they need it spelled out, otherwise they'll argue it.[/quote:3rzkcrzq]

My counterargument to that is that our hiring choices are fairly judgmental. The passing score is the lowest bar needed to even be considered, but beyond that it just comes down to whether we think you'd be a good fit for the team. There doesn't seem to be a point to spell it out to people because if we just don't think they'd be a good fit, we just don't hire them, and there's really nothing that can be done about it.

And, I'll be honest, I'd rather have someone on my staff who doesn't need to be told to be a good person in order to be a good person. If you need to be told to be a good person to be a good person, you probably aren't a good person.[/quote:3rzkcrzq]

Doesn't this process automatically deter people who are not veterans on the site?
I am interested in becoming a judge, the main reason being that I want to know more about the game and to help fix the occasional judgeless situations in the timeframes I am on. Looking from the outside in, it feels like a closed circle that is difficult to get into unless you know other people on this site well (I might be wrong, as I am not very active in communicating with other users), and it's a shame because I believe that a large number of people who apply as a judge have good intentions and fail because of auxiliary requirements.

[quote="Biggus Dickus":y2rlaa5j][quote="MarshieDemon":y2rlaa5j][quote="ominous":y2rlaa5j]
Db players are the kind people who would argue a factual statement is incorrect because of punctuation, they need it spelled out, otherwise they'll argue it.[/quote:y2rlaa5j]

My counterargument to that is that our hiring choices are fairly judgmental. The passing score is the lowest bar needed to even be considered, but beyond that it just comes down to whether we think you'd be a good fit for the team. There doesn't seem to be a point to spell it out to people because if we just don't think they'd be a good fit, we just don't hire them, and there's really nothing that can be done about it.

And, I'll be honest, I'd rather have someone on my staff who doesn't need to be told to be a good person in order to be a good person. If you need to be told to be a good person to be a good person, you probably aren't a good person.[/quote:y2rlaa5j]

Doesn't this process automatically deter people who are not veterans on the site?
I am interested in becoming a judge, the main reason being that I want to know more about the game and to help fix the occasional judgeless situations in the timeframes I am on. Looking from the outside in, it feels like a closed circle that is difficult to get into unless you know other people on this site well (I might be wrong, as I am not very active in communicating with other users), and it's a shame because I believe that a large number of people who apply as a judge have good intentions and fail because of auxiliary requirements.[/quote:y2rlaa5j]
Why would this deter non veterans from applying. If you can take the exam, pass it, be able to apply the exam to real call situations, have respected behavior and treat others with respect you have a good chance to get hired.

Seems like this would only deter people who have a reason to be afraid of a background check.

[quote="Biggus Dickus":21y9ou5f][quote="MarshieDemon":21y9ou5f][quote="ominous":21y9ou5f]
Db players are the kind people who would argue a factual statement is incorrect because of punctuation, they need it spelled out, otherwise they'll argue it.[/quote:21y9ou5f]

My counterargument to that is that our hiring choices are fairly judgmental. The passing score is the lowest bar needed to even be considered, but beyond that it just comes down to whether we think you'd be a good fit for the team. There doesn't seem to be a point to spell it out to people because if we just don't think they'd be a good fit, we just don't hire them, and there's really nothing that can be done about it.

And, I'll be honest, I'd rather have someone on my staff who doesn't need to be told to be a good person in order to be a good person. If you need to be told to be a good person to be a good person, you probably aren't a good person.[/quote:21y9ou5f]

Doesn't this process automatically deter people who are not veterans on the site?
I am interested in becoming a judge, the main reason being that I want to know more about the game and to help fix the occasional judgeless situations in the timeframes I am on. Looking from the outside in, it feels like a closed circle that is difficult to get into unless you know other people on this site well (I might be wrong, as I am not very active in communicating with other users), and it's a shame because I believe that a large number of people who apply as a judge have good intentions and fail because of auxiliary requirements.[/quote:21y9ou5f]
Nothing is stopping you from helping in "judgeless situations" by answering questions in chat and yes you need to have built a reputation in order to be a judge, as stated, otherwise you get egomaniacs abusing authority. Knowing rulings does not make you a judge, being about to deescalate a situation does.

There should be a ruling bot in chat that when someone says judge it has like a database of basic ruling answers to help

[quote="Volstgalph":7lvxgs8j]There should be a ruling bot in chat that when someone says judge it has like a database of basic ruling answers to help[/quote:7lvxgs8j]
i like the idea. But personally, i think a bigger issue is even if you showed them an email from konami saying you are right with the exact cards in question being used. a great deal of people would still say i am going to wait for a judge and its within their rights on this site to do so. but yes having a chat just for judge calls from the public sounds nice. it wont get clogged up and it might solve some of the calls on its own.

[quote="sentinelsean":1bhi5erh][quote="Volstgalph":1bhi5erh]There should be a ruling bot in chat that when someone says judge it has like a database of basic ruling answers to help[/quote:1bhi5erh]
i like the idea. But personally, i think a bigger issue is even if you showed them an email from konami saying you are right with the exact cards in question being used. a great deal of people would still say i am going to wait for a judge and its within their rights on this site to do so. but yes having a chat just for judge calls from the public sounds nice. it wont get clogged up and it might solve some of the calls on its own.[/quote:1bhi5erh]
If they have the official ruling and refuse to move forward then leave and report, they aren't looking to solve the problem they're stalling.

[quote="Volstgalph":2uaqqiuo]There should be a ruling bot in chat that when someone says judge it has like a database of basic ruling answers to help[/quote:2uaqqiuo]
Google.

[quote="ominous":w3m1nfjj][quote="Volstgalph":w3m1nfjj]There should be a ruling bot in chat that when someone says judge it has like a database of basic ruling answers to help[/quote:w3m1nfjj]
Google.[/quote:w3m1nfjj]

It would be better if official sources acceptable on duelingbook were listed. Google isn't a yugioh source. It's a search engine where you may or may not find sources, and where even the sources you do find may or may not be trustworthy.

For example, [url:w3m1nfjj]https://db.ygorganization.com[/url:w3m1nfjj] is one of the sites that can be listed as a source duelingbook users and judges can trust and rely on.

Problem is, not every card and effect interaction is listed on that site, so sometimes you still get into ruling disputes that can't be resolved by consulting db.ygorganization

Still, this would be a big help, and help resolve many disputes without needing to wait for a judge.

[quote="Christen57":2hs5kp13][quote="ominous":2hs5kp13][quote="Volstgalph":2hs5kp13]There should be a ruling bot in chat that when someone says judge it has like a database of basic ruling answers to help[/quote:2hs5kp13]
Google.[/quote:2hs5kp13]

It would be better if official sources acceptable on duelingbook were listed. Google isn't a yugioh source. It's a search engine where you may or may not find sources, and where even the sources you do find may or may not be trustworthy.

For example, [url:2hs5kp13]https://db.ygorganization.com[/url:2hs5kp13] is one of the sites that can be listed as a source duelingbook users and judges can trust and rely on.

Problem is, not every card and effect interaction is listed on that site, so sometimes you still get into ruling disputes that can't be resolved by consulting db.ygorganization

Still, this would be a big help, and help resolve many disputes without needing to wait for a judge.[/quote:2hs5kp13]
for ruling sources just apply basic logic. official sources from konami are accepted as well as our own listed policies. ygorganization is not a source but the database links all their pages have that they are translations of are. and even if we were to list acceptable sources aka konamis sources people just say EWWWW RANDOM INTERNET VIRUS ME NO CLICK and refuse to accept the source

[quote="Christen57":2p7v0656][quote="ominous":2p7v0656][quote="Volstgalph":2p7v0656]There should be a ruling bot in chat that when someone says judge it has like a database of basic ruling answers to help[/quote:2p7v0656]
Google.[/quote:2p7v0656]

It would be better if official sources acceptable on duelingbook were listed. Google isn't a yugioh source. It's a search engine where you may or may not find sources, and where even the sources you do find may or may not be trustworthy.

For example, [url:2p7v0656]https://db.ygorganization.com[/url:2p7v0656] is one of the sites that can be listed as a source duelingbook users and judges can trust and rely on.

Problem is, not every card and effect interaction is listed on that site, so sometimes you still get into ruling disputes that can't be resolved by consulting db.ygorganization

Still, this would be a big help, and help resolve many disputes without needing to wait for a judge.[/quote:2p7v0656]
70-80% of ruling calls can be solved with common sense and reading comprehension, with at least 10-15% being answered via online resources and 5% actually requiring a judge intervention. the vast majority of judge calls don't actually require judges they require 2 people of middle school level literacy and communication skills. Again this is not a "yugioh is hard" issue, it's a player issue.

[quote="Volstgalph":1cgkyr93]There should be a ruling bot in chat that when someone says judge it has like a database of basic ruling answers to help[/quote:1cgkyr93]
And who exactly is programming this bot with responses to all those ruling questions? And why do we need it if the resource they're pulling from is already public and accessible?

[quote="ominous":1rxq8hbf][quote="sentinelsean":1rxq8hbf][quote="Volstgalph":1rxq8hbf]There should be a ruling bot in chat that when someone says judge it has like a database of basic ruling answers to help[/quote:1rxq8hbf]
i like the idea. But personally, i think a bigger issue is even if you showed them an email from konami saying you are right with the exact cards in question being used. a great deal of people would still say i am going to wait for a judge and its within their rights on this site to do so. but yes having a chat just for judge calls from the public sounds nice. it wont get clogged up and it might solve some of the calls on its own.[/quote:1rxq8hbf]
If they have the official ruling and refuse to move forward then leave and report, they aren't looking to solve the problem they're stalling.[/quote:1rxq8hbf]

Speaking of stalling, duelingbook is too lenient when it comes to stallers and AFKers. 30 seconds is way too much time to respond to a judge after going AFK. The match loss should be given after just 15 seconds of refusal to respond to a judge when a judge asks if you're present.

Most judge calls, at least according to DistantCoder, are calls regarding AFK or stalling. If judges would just issue the game loss after they ask if a player is there and that player doesn't respond in 15 seconds, the judge could give the AFK loss twice as fast, cutting the time they spend simply waiting for players to come out of AFK in half, thus leaving them with more time to answer more important calls and go through calls faster.

[quote="Christen57":1hy8kwf4][quote="ominous":1hy8kwf4][quote="sentinelsean":1hy8kwf4]
i like the idea. But personally, i think a bigger issue is even if you showed them an email from konami saying you are right with the exact cards in question being used. a great deal of people would still say i am going to wait for a judge and its within their rights on this site to do so. but yes having a chat just for judge calls from the public sounds nice. it wont get clogged up and it might solve some of the calls on its own.[/quote:1hy8kwf4]
If they have the official ruling and refuse to move forward then leave and report, they aren't looking to solve the problem they're stalling.[/quote:1hy8kwf4]

Speaking of stalling, duelingbook is too lenient when it comes to stallers and AFKers. 30 seconds is way too much time to respond to a judge after going AFK. The match loss should be given after just 15 seconds of refusal to respond to a judge when a judge asks if you're present.

Most judge calls, at least according to DistantCoder, are calls regarding AFK or stalling. If judges would just issue the game loss after they ask if a player is there and that player doesn't respond in 15 seconds, the judge could give the AFK loss twice as fast, cutting the time they spend simply waiting for players to come out of AFK in half, thus leaving them with more time to answer more important calls and go through calls faster.[/quote:1hy8kwf4]
Wherever you got this 30 second rule from it isnt a thing

[quote="Genexwrecker":1inetuql][quote="Christen57":1inetuql][quote="ominous":1inetuql]
If they have the official ruling and refuse to move forward then leave and report, they aren't looking to solve the problem they're stalling.[/quote:1inetuql]

Speaking of stalling, duelingbook is too lenient when it comes to stallers and AFKers. 30 seconds is way too much time to respond to a judge after going AFK. The match loss should be given after just 15 seconds of refusal to respond to a judge when a judge asks if you're present.

Most judge calls, at least according to DistantCoder, are calls regarding AFK or stalling. If judges would just issue the game loss after they ask if a player is there and that player doesn't respond in 15 seconds, the judge could give the AFK loss twice as fast, cutting the time they spend simply waiting for players to come out of AFK in half, thus leaving them with more time to answer more important calls and go through calls faster.[/quote:1inetuql]
Wherever you got this 30 second rule from it isnt a thing[/quote:1inetuql]

Every time a judge comes to an AFK call they ask "You there? 30 seconds to respond."

[quote="Christen57":24eb7ixy][quote="Genexwrecker":24eb7ixy][quote="Christen57":24eb7ixy]

Speaking of stalling, duelingbook is too lenient when it comes to stallers and AFKers. 30 seconds is way too much time to respond to a judge after going AFK. The match loss should be given after just 15 seconds of refusal to respond to a judge when a judge asks if you're present.

Most judge calls, at least according to DistantCoder, are calls regarding AFK or stalling. If judges would just issue the game loss after they ask if a player is there and that player doesn't respond in 15 seconds, the judge could give the AFK loss twice as fast, cutting the time they spend simply waiting for players to come out of AFK in half, thus leaving them with more time to answer more important calls and go through calls faster.[/quote:24eb7ixy]
Wherever you got this 30 second rule from it isnt a thing[/quote:24eb7ixy]

Every time a judge comes to an AFK call they ask "You there? 30 seconds to respond."[/quote:24eb7ixy]
its commonly done but there isnt a specific timeframe we need to give I myself never give a timeframe and determine how long to give upon each situation