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Hello Users of Duelingbook!
One of the biggest things that occurs in a game of yugioh is communication wether it be online or at an event or locals irl. How do you communicate? Are you good at communication? Are you bad at communication? Do you think communication is required?

Our general policy is posted here for you to get an idea of what we expect of the playerbase :
viewtopic.php?f=49&t=20716

That being said that topic is not the be all end all. Its guidelines to what to expect when you get into a judge call regarding said communication. This thread is to express how you communicate in games yourself and if you have any questions for me on how to either communicate better a different way to communicate or specific issues revolving around certain things in games and wether they should be communicated or not. I will check this thread everyday for questions and statements. Keep in mind any statments I make as an answer to your questions are merely of my opinion as a judge on here for 4 years and if it is about a specific game situation how I might handle it my words here are not to be taken as gospel to follow blindly but as information you can use to make better judgements yourself or formulate your own opinions. I look forward to a healthy discussion about gameplay.

"to be taken as gospel to follow blindly" bible of genexwrecker

If your opponent does not say anything then you should continue correct? If they had a response they would have already done it.

Genewrecker: This is so ironic coming from you after how you handled the last appeal you took for me. I am working on a very elaborate and detailed forum thread with evidence. We can have that discussion there.

FYI: the opponent ended up repeating the same abusive gameplay related and harassment related behaviors as well, including calling me a faggot. Will be reporting that as abuse as well once I have my forum post ready to go simulatenously. But just know that your failure as a "judge" to take action did not deter the player from their behaviors, and led to their escalation.

Stay tuned! It is going to be the most discussed forum post DB Forums have seen in a while. We will have a dialogue about topics such as:

1. Equitable and consistent application of rules
2. Strictness of rules
3. Vagueness of current rules and their listed examples
4. Judges' lack of common sense and use of proper "judgement"
5. Judges' corruption and bias against certain decks

[quote="GayNProud":htx3719r]Genewrecker: This is so ironic coming from you after how you handled the last appeal you took for me. I am working on a very elaborate and detailed forum thread with evidence. We can have that discussion there.

FYI: the opponent ended up repeating the same abusive gameplay related and harassment related behaviors as well, including calling me a faggot. Will be reporting that as abuse as well once I have my forum post ready to go simulatenously. But just know that your failure as a "judge" to take action did not deter the player from their behaviors, and led to their escalation.

Stay tuned! It is going to be the most discussed forum post DB Forums have seen in a while. We will have a dialogue about topics such as:

1. Equitable and consistent application of rules
2. Strictness of rules
3. Vagueness of current rules and their listed examples
4. Judges' lack of common sense and use of proper "judgement"
5. Judges' corruption and bias against certain decks[/quote:htx3719r]
Interesting. I expect the evidence to be good and prove the 5 points you said about judges and the rules.

[quote="GayNProud":2m6buobe]Stay tuned! It is going to be the most discussed forum post DB Forums have seen in a while.[/quote:2m6buobe]
Thats a bold statement considering what Sound4's thread looks like, your post might as well be the holy grail for it to be discussed for over 935 posts lol

Genexwrecker, what made you think creating this thread was a good idea, especially since we already had 2 other threads discussing in detail about whether or not silence would be consent, one of which was just locked by MarshieDemon, and the other being pinned to DB Head Judge Q&A?

Now Sound4's just gonna continue his "silence is consent" narrative on this thread instead of finally letting that pointless multi-month long argument come to an end like it should've.

[quote="Cromat":dc01pido]What should I do about while opponent never communicates with me, not waiting to give response of their cards effect(s) and activation(s), not declaring effect not explaining anything just playing so fastly not listening to me, they are only typing "?" question mark and look to screen like cow. I called to Judge for their 0 communication, and they started speak up as chirping like a nightingale. Even when I called the Judge(s) for they're not giving any reaction to when I asked as "What are you doing?" or "How?" meaning to explain something to me by them, they're doing nothing, just waiting to Judge's arrives to Duel room and suddenly telling to Judge this as "My opponent called you by no reason and abusing the 'Call Judge' button." and/or as "Nothing, opponent is just stalling the game (by referring to me)." Such people are quite annoying, I think these kind behaviors are their win conditions. What should be of my behavior when I faced that kind people here, during the rated Duel?[/quote:dc01pido]
Unfortunately, if someone isn't communicating properly with you no matter what you do, your only option will be to call a judge or leave the duel. Calling a judge because the opponent refused to communicate properly is not judge call abuse, nor is it stalling. You are fully in your right to request a judge in that situation no matter what your opponent may say. When the judge arrives, they will be able to handle the situation appropriately.

[quote="Sound4":10eh3cjo]If your opponent does not say anything then you should continue correct? If they had a response they would have already done it.[/quote:10eh3cjo]

Per the Q&A article:

What Should I Do if My Opponent Does Not Respond?

If you ask your opponent for a response, and they do not answer, give your opponent a reasonable amount of time to respond.

This tells us that, if our opponent does not communicate any response to you, the first thing we should do is actually ask our opponent (verbally is best) if they have a response. Remember, they do have a right to respond to your action. Best not to intentionally try to take that right away from them.

If, after a reasonable amount of time AND after exhausting an attempt to get a response from them, they still do not respond, then we follow what the Q&A article says after that:

If, after a reasonable amount of time, your opponent does not respond, you may be justified to cautiously continue.

The key word here, of course, being "cautiously." The opponent may attempt to still respond at this point, creating a potential dispute. However, so long as you have exhausted a reasonable attempt to grant your opponent their right to respond to your action, then:

the likelihood that a Judge Call is ruled in your favor increases should there be a dispute.

Note here that it simply states the likelihood increases. It does not guarantee the Judge will rule in your favor. It is always up to the Judge's discretion how best to proceed.

[quote="Christen57":ugc9l9o4]Genexwrecker, what made you think creating this thread was a good idea, especially since we already had 2 other threads discussing in detail about whether or not silence would be consent, one of which was just locked by MarshieDemon, and the other being pinned to DB Head Judge Q&A?

Now Sound4's just gonna continue his "silence is consent" narrative on this thread instead of finally letting that pointless multi-month long argument come to an end like it should've.[/quote:ugc9l9o4]
While Sound4's tragic thread became a playground for just back and forth yelling, it did make it clear that some people do not understand how communication is meant to be on DB. As such, this thread has been made so people who do not understand communication or simply have questions about it can ask them here and receive an answer. Unlike Sound4's thread, any attempts of arguing for the sake of arguing will be swiftly dealt with, as it defeats the purpose of this topic. Communication is not a concrete thing, and as such it's been deemed necessary that this was a good course of action to take.

[quote="Cromat":1704t0ui]What should I do about while opponent never communicates with me, not waiting to give response of their cards effect(s) and activation(s), not declaring effect not explaining anything just playing so fastly not listening to me, they are only typing "?" question mark and look to screen like cow. I called to Judge for their 0 communication, and they started speak up as chirping like a nightingale. Even when I called the Judge(s) for they're not giving any reaction to when I asked as "What are you doing?" or "How?" meaning to explain something to me by them, they're doing nothing, just waiting to Judge's arrives to Duel room and suddenly telling to Judge this as "My opponent called you by no reason and abusing the 'Call Judge' button." and/or as "Nothing, opponent is just stalling the game (by referring to me)." Such people are quite annoying, I think these kind behaviors are their win conditions. What should be of my behavior when I faced that kind people here, during the rated Duel?[/quote:1704t0ui]

As my colleague above has mentioned, you are well within your right to call a judge. As the Q&A article mentions:

What Should I Do if My Opponent Continues Without My Consent?

Speak up! The quicker you communicate to your opponent that you do not agree to continue, the likelihood that a Judge Call is ruled in your favor increases if your opponent does not give you a reasonable amount of time to respond to an action.

[quote="Christen57":2n8uneio]Genexwrecker, what made you think creating this thread was a good idea, especially since we already had 2 other threads discussing in detail about whether or not silence would be consent, one of which was just locked by MarshieDemon, and the other being pinned to DB Head Judge Q&A?

Now Sound4's just gonna continue his "silence is consent" narrative on this thread instead of finally letting that pointless multi-month long argument come to an end like it should've.[/quote:2n8uneio]
This thread is for serious healthy discussion about gameplay where people can ask questions. If anyone starts spamming nonsense we can easily just remove the posts

[quote="Christen57":2imw20m0]Genexwrecker, what made you think creating this thread was a good idea, especially since we already had 2 other threads discussing in detail about whether or not silence would be consent, one of which was just locked by MarshieDemon, and the other being pinned to DB Head Judge Q&A?

Now Sound4's just gonna continue his "silence is consent" narrative on this thread instead of finally letting that pointless multi-month long argument come to an end like it should've.[/quote:2imw20m0]

Clearly, this is a very important topic that warrants discussion. I want people to be engaged in this conversation and ask specific questions. Not every possible scenario can be answered in the Q&A article.

We created this topic to give people the opportunity to ask those specific questions (albeit it with a much less misleading title). Of course, if this topic dissolves into the chaos that the previous one did, then I will have no choice but to lock this topic down too. Please, all of you, do not make me have to shut down what could be a great conversation.

do not make me have to shut down what could be a great conversation.[/quote]
I shall do what I need to for the ace attorney posts

[quote="MarshieDemon":1j4z64aw][quote="Sound4":1j4z64aw]If your opponent does not say anything then you should continue correct? If they had a response they would have already done it.[/quote:1j4z64aw]

Per the Q&A article:

What Should I Do if My Opponent Does Not Respond?

If you ask your opponent for a response, and they do not answer, give your opponent a reasonable amount of time to respond.

This tells us that, if our opponent does not communicate any response to you, the first thing we should do is actually ask our opponent (verbally is best) if they have a response. Remember, they do have a right to respond to your action. Best not to intentionally try to take that right away from them.

If, after a reasonable amount of time AND after exhausting an attempt to get a response from them, they still do not respond, then we follow what the Q&A article says after that:

If, after a reasonable amount of time, your opponent does not respond, you may be justified to cautiously continue.

The key word here, of course, being "cautiously." The opponent may attempt to still respond at this point, creating a potential dispute. However, so long as you have exhausted a reasonable attempt to grant your opponent their right to respond to your action, then:

the likelihood that a Judge Call is ruled in your favor increases should there be a dispute.

Note here that it simply states the likelihood increases. It does not guarantee the Judge will rule in your favor. It is always up to the Judge's discretion how best to proceed.[/quote:1j4z64aw]
I already read that article. I simply asked that question to get a reply from Genexwrecker if he/she response is different.

[quote="itsmetristan":1s7evq64][quote="Cromat":1s7evq64]What should I do about while opponent never communicates with me, not waiting to give response of their cards effect(s) and activation(s), not declaring effect not explaining anything just playing so fastly not listening to me, they are only typing "?" question mark and look to screen like cow. I called to Judge for their 0 communication, and they started speak up as chirping like a nightingale. Even when I called the Judge(s) for they're not giving any reaction to when I asked as "What are you doing?" or "How?" meaning to explain something to me by them, they're doing nothing, just waiting to Judge's arrives to Duel room and suddenly telling to Judge this as "My opponent called you by no reason and abusing the 'Call Judge' button." and/or as "Nothing, opponent is just stalling the game (by referring to me)." Such people are quite annoying, I think these kind behaviors are their win conditions. What should be of my behavior when I faced that kind people here, during the rated Duel?[/quote:1s7evq64]
Unfortunately, if someone isn't communicating properly with you no matter what you do, your only option will be to call a judge or leave the duel. Calling a judge because the opponent refused to communicate properly is not judge call abuse, nor is it stalling. You are fully in your right to request a judge in that situation no matter what your opponent may say. When the judge arrives, they will be able to handle the situation appropriately.[/quote:1s7evq64]
Yet in the Maniez replay my opponent refused to communicate this post is contradictory on what you said in the other thread.

Lets keep the posts to the topic please

[quote="Sound4":2890wja6][quote="Christen57":2890wja6]Genexwrecker, what made you think creating this thread was a good idea, especially since we already had 2 other threads discussing in detail about whether or not silence would be consent, one of which was just locked by MarshieDemon, and the other being pinned to DB Head Judge Q&A?

Now Sound4's just gonna continue his "silence is consent" narrative on this thread instead of finally letting that pointless multi-month long argument come to an end like it should've.[/quote:2890wja6]
The purpose of the thread was what was in the tile that silence is consent and I got confirmation from a silver judge.[/quote:2890wja6]

Confirmation that silence may be ruled as consent in most cases, not all cases, and each situation regarding this is reviewed on a case by case basis, meaning it can be ruled as consent in one scenario but not consent in a different one.

[quote="Sound4":6gwda9ji][quote="MarshieDemon":6gwda9ji][quote="Sound4":6gwda9ji]If your opponent does not say anything then you should continue correct? If they had a response they would have already done it.[/quote:6gwda9ji]

Per the Q&A article:

What Should I Do if My Opponent Does Not Respond?

If you ask your opponent for a response, and they do not answer, give your opponent a reasonable amount of time to respond.

This tells us that, if our opponent does not communicate any response to you, the first thing we should do is actually ask our opponent (verbally is best) if they have a response. Remember, they do have a right to respond to your action. Best not to intentionally try to take that right away from them.

If, after a reasonable amount of time AND after exhausting an attempt to get a response from them, they still do not respond, then we follow what the Q&A article says after that:

If, after a reasonable amount of time, your opponent does not respond, you may be justified to cautiously continue.

The key word here, of course, being "cautiously." The opponent may attempt to still respond at this point, creating a potential dispute. However, so long as you have exhausted a reasonable attempt to grant your opponent their right to respond to your action, then:

the likelihood that a Judge Call is ruled in your favor increases should there be a dispute.

Note here that it simply states the likelihood increases. It does not guarantee the Judge will rule in your favor. It is always up to the Judge's discretion how best to proceed.[/quote:6gwda9ji]
I already read that article. I simply asked that question to get a reply from Genexwrecker if he/she response is different.[/quote:6gwda9ji]
No, Genex would not have a different response, they probably helped write that article in the first place

[quote="Cromat":o33vboue]What should I do against a user who provokes or verbally abuses their opponents in their every Duel? I realized that user doing that same thing to everyone. When we faced them again they're make us to remember previous games between them for make you more angry yourselves. They do not making as certainly breaking the rules by swearing, just continuously typing to insult to you or provokes to you; during Duel by using chatbox of game. When we reported that kind people by using Forum even, nothing is happening to them.[/quote:o33vboue]

It can take days, if not weeks, for your report to be handled. You have to just wait.

[quote="Christen57":x6b5ke5d]It can take days, if not weeks, for your report to be handled. You have to just wait.[/quote:x6b5ke5d]


The point is not to wait here. I'm not complaining that the reports don't handled in short time. I tried to tell something else.


● What I meant was this: Those are not breaking certain rules by swearing. They're just provoke you, therefore you will swearing to them, and when Judge(s) arrives to Duel, they will see that you has been sworn to your opponent. With it; they're trying to get advantage in issue, because they're aware about what they're doing right now. Well, maybe I must ignore opponent's what they're saying because I am believing that they'll not take any punishment by authorities.

[quote="Cromat":32hg2uo4][quote="Christen57":32hg2uo4]It can take days, if not weeks, for your report to be handled. You have to just wait.[/quote:32hg2uo4]


The point is not to wait here. I'm not complaining that the reports don't handled in short time. I tried to tell something else.


● What I meant was this: Those are not breaking certain rules by swearing. They're just provoke you, therefore you will swearing to them, and when Judge(s) arrives to Duel, they will see that you has been sworn to your opponent. With it; they're trying to get advantage in issue, because they're aware about what they're doing right now. Well, maybe I must ignore opponent's what they're saying because I am believing that they'll not take any punishment by authorities.[/quote:32hg2uo4]

If they're merely "provoking" you, you can ignore them unless they're committing severe harassment (in which case you may have to call a judge). Either way, you don't "swear at them" back.

[quote="Cromat":dfg1eki1][quote="Christen57":dfg1eki1]It can take days, if not weeks, for your report to be handled. You have to just wait.[/quote:dfg1eki1]


The point is not to wait here. I'm not complaining that the reports don't handled in short time. I tried to tell something else.


● What I meant was this: Those are not breaking certain rules by swearing. They're just provoke you, therefore you will swearing to them, and when Judge(s) arrives to Duel, they will see that you has been sworn to your opponent. With it; they're trying to get advantage in issue, because they're aware about what they're doing right now. Well, maybe I must ignore opponent's what they're saying because I am believing that they'll not take any punishment by authorities.[/quote:dfg1eki1]
Swearing should never be a chosen form of communication in duels. Even if disputes arise communication should remain respectful from both parties.

This thread is not to call out people We are going to just start deleting posts at this point.

[quote="Genexwrecker":13wi9xv8]This thread is not to call out people We are going to just start deleting posts at this point.[/quote:13wi9xv8]

Should I edit somewhere in my post? Or should I delete my last paragraph? What is the matter?

[quote="Cromat":1ui5zdpa][quote="Genexwrecker":1ui5zdpa]This thread is not to call out people We are going to just start deleting posts at this point.[/quote:1ui5zdpa]

Should I edit somewhere in my post? Or should I delete my last paragraph? What is the matter?[/quote:1ui5zdpa]

You use the default report page for reporting the user(s) in question: [url:1ui5zdpa]https://forum.duelingbook.com/posting.php?mode=post&f=7[/url:1ui5zdpa]

[quote="Christen57":2a4t5x11]You use the default report page for reporting the user(s) in question: [url:2a4t5x11]https://forum.duelingbook.com/posting.php?mode=post&f=7[/url:2a4t5x11][/quote:2a4t5x11]

I do not complain about them, I give negative examples of communication. (It would seem that nothing negative is desired.)

[quote="Cromat":1p7wkj78][quote="Christen57":1p7wkj78]You use the default report page for reporting the user(s) in question: [url:1p7wkj78]https://forum.duelingbook.com/posting.php?mode=post&f=7[/url:1p7wkj78][/quote:1p7wkj78]

I do not complain about them, I give negative examples of communication. (It would seem that nothing negative is desired.)[/quote:1p7wkj78]
It's a bit tangential

[quote="Cromat":uvjqqm4l][quote="Christen57":uvjqqm4l]You use the default report page for reporting the user(s) in question: [url:uvjqqm4l]https://forum.duelingbook.com/posting.php?mode=post&f=7[/url:uvjqqm4l][/quote:uvjqqm4l]

I do not complain about them, I give negative examples of communication. (It would seem that nothing negative is desired.)[/quote:uvjqqm4l]

You can do that I guess, but as Genexwrecker said, you don't wanna publicly call out specific users, so instead of saying:
"Wind-up Strike has 0 communication with his opponents, he is not declaring card's effect(s), and not giving any response time to opponents for reasonable time"
you could say:
"I know this player, for example, who has 0 communication with his opponents, he is not declaring card's effect(s), and not giving any response time to opponents for reasonable time"
without specifying the person's name, to avoid publicly calling them out.

[quote="Cromat":mokt88y0]If I edit my post by hiding their names, will the problem be solved? If it will be solved, I can do it right away.[/quote:mokt88y0]

It won't matter if you do, since we've already seen and documented their names, so for now, just avoid calling out additional users further in this thread.

[quote="Christen57":e5b9f6rt]You can do that I guess, but as Genexwrecker said, you don't wanna publicly call out specific users, so instead of saying:
"Wind-up Strike has 0 communication with his opponents, he is not declaring card's effect(s), and not giving any response time to opponents for reasonable time"
you could say:
"I know this player, for example, who has 0 communication with his opponents, he is not declaring card's effect(s), and not giving any response time to opponents for reasonable time"
without specifying the person's name, to avoid publicly calling them out.[/quote:e5b9f6rt][quote="Christen57":e5b9f6rt]It won't matter if you do, since we've already seen and documented their names, so for now, just avoid calling out additional users further in this thread.[/quote:e5b9f6rt]

Understood, thanks for your kindness.

Cromat, you asked a question and you got an answer. If you're hoping for permission from a Judge to swear at your opponent for any reason, I'm afraid you'll be disappointed.

[quote="MarshieDemon":371t50b2]Cromat, you asked a question and you got an answer. If you're hoping for permission from a Judge to swear at your opponent for any reason, I'm afraid you'll be disappointed.[/quote:371t50b2]
I sent you a private message please can you answer it.

[quote="MarshieDemon":xhgqsy74]Cromat, you asked a question and you got an answer. If you're hoping for permission from a Judge to swear at your opponent for any reason, I'm afraid you'll be disappointed.[/quote:xhgqsy74]I got my answer, you are right. I am not hoping from You [Judge(s)] anything. After dialogue with You (MarshieDemon), I realized that my communication is very bad. [Just don't freeze or ban me, I can shut my mouth myself.] By the way, sorry to make you and to Forum; trouble. I must go before You (MarshieDemon) kicked me from here.

< I call this: 'Ninja Vanish Time'. >

[quote="Sound4":qugktv5l][quote="MarshieDemon":qugktv5l]Cromat, you asked a question and you got an answer. If you're hoping for permission from a Judge to swear at your opponent for any reason, I'm afraid you'll be disappointed.[/quote:qugktv5l]
I sent you a private message please can you answer it.[/quote:qugktv5l]

I never received a private message from you.

[quote="MarshieDemon":11eygd0q][quote="Sound4":11eygd0q][quote="MarshieDemon":11eygd0q]Cromat, you asked a question and you got an answer. If you're hoping for permission from a Judge to swear at your opponent for any reason, I'm afraid you'll be disappointed.[/quote:11eygd0q]
I sent you a private message please can you answer it.[/quote:11eygd0q]

I never received a private message from you.[/quote:11eygd0q]
[quote="Genexwrecker":11eygd0q]This thread is not to call out people We are going to just start deleting posts at this point.[/quote:11eygd0q]
[quote="itsmetristan":11eygd0q].[/quote:11eygd0q]
Since we're on the topic of communication, I recommend editing either your communication policy, or duelingbook's rules, to include that duelists in rated must know and speak english to communicate properly as I keep seeing duels where a judge has to get called simply because a player keeps speaking in a foreign language. [url:11eygd0q]https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=37755642[/url:11eygd0q]

[quote="Christen57":3esuwrxt][quote="MarshieDemon":3esuwrxt][quote="Sound4":3esuwrxt]
I sent you a private message please can you answer it.[/quote:3esuwrxt]

I never received a private message from you.[/quote:3esuwrxt]
[quote="Genexwrecker":3esuwrxt]This thread is not to call out people We are going to just start deleting posts at this point.[/quote:3esuwrxt]
[quote="itsmetristan":3esuwrxt].[/quote:3esuwrxt]
Since we're on the topic of communication, I recommend editing either your communication policy, or duelingbook's rules, to include that duelists in rated must know and speak english to communicate properly as I keep seeing duels where a judge has to get called simply because a player keeps speaking in a foreign language. [url:3esuwrxt]https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=37755642[/url:3esuwrxt][/quote:3esuwrxt]Its just common sense that when using an english based site you use/know english. if they dont know english they cannot possibly read the cards so they are either using google translate to read stuff or are trolling. also by registering you have agreed to our terms of service which of course requires english to read even if you use a translator it wouldnt translate to another language enough for one to comprehend it properly. I dont go to mexico and expect to not be required to know spanish or know enough of it to get by. I went to visit italy and made sure I know enough italian so i can communicate in a reasonable manner. If this kind of common sense eludes somebody they are going to have a hard time anywhere on the internet and it is not our job to cater to that.

Also as of to this day I have only ever encountered 1 person that didnt speak english genuinely on the site. and I have definitely had over 50 calls where a person speaks anything but english but magically knew it in the past 5 duels.

so this non english issue you have brought up is actually far smaller than you think it is. pretty much 99.9% of the people that use the website know english in some form or fasion or even if their english is bad are able to communicate properly anyway.

[quote="Genexwrecker":16oz8s2b][quote="Christen57":16oz8s2b][quote="MarshieDemon":16oz8s2b]

I never received a private message from you.[/quote:16oz8s2b]
[quote="Genexwrecker":16oz8s2b]This thread is not to call out people We are going to just start deleting posts at this point.[/quote:16oz8s2b]
[quote="itsmetristan":16oz8s2b].[/quote:16oz8s2b]
Since we're on the topic of communication, I recommend editing either your communication policy, or duelingbook's rules, to include that duelists in rated must know and speak english to communicate properly as I keep seeing duels where a judge has to get called simply because a player keeps speaking in a foreign language. [url:16oz8s2b]https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=37755642[/url:16oz8s2b][/quote:16oz8s2b]Its just common sense that when using an english based site you use/know english. if they dont know english they cannot possibly read the cards so they are either using google translate to read stuff or are trolling. also by registering you have agreed to our terms of service which of course requires english to read even if you use a translator it wouldnt translate to another language enough for one to comprehend it properly. I dont go to mexico and expect to not be required to know spanish or know enough of it to get by. I went to visit italy and made sure I know enough italian so i can communicate in a reasonable manner. If this kind of common sense eludes somebody they are going to have a hard time anywhere on the internet and it is not our job to cater to that.

Also as of to this day I have only ever encountered 1 person that didnt speak english genuinely on the site. and I have definitely had over 50 calls where a person speaks anything but english but magically knew it in the past 5 duels.

so this non english issue you have brought up is actually far smaller than you think it is. pretty much 99.9% of the people that use the website know english in some form or fasion or even if their english is bad are able to communicate properly anyway.[/quote:16oz8s2b]
prolly should be stated somewhere just in case

[quote="Christen57":1fjebwxo][quote="MarshieDemon":1fjebwxo][quote="Sound4":1fjebwxo]
I sent you a private message please can you answer it.[/quote:1fjebwxo]

I never received a private message from you.[/quote:1fjebwxo]
[quote="Genexwrecker":1fjebwxo]This thread is not to call out people We are going to just start deleting posts at this point.[/quote:1fjebwxo]
[quote="itsmetristan":1fjebwxo].[/quote:1fjebwxo]
Since we're on the topic of communication, I recommend editing either your communication policy, or duelingbook's rules, to include that duelists in rated must know and speak english to communicate properly as I keep seeing duels where a judge has to get called simply because a player keeps speaking in a foreign language. [url:1fjebwxo]https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=37755642[/url:1fjebwxo][/quote:1fjebwxo]
Encourage Google Translate lmao

[quote="greg503":aw6zsj2c][quote="Christen57":aw6zsj2c][quote="MarshieDemon":aw6zsj2c]

I never received a private message from you.[/quote:aw6zsj2c]
[quote="Genexwrecker":aw6zsj2c]This thread is not to call out people We are going to just start deleting posts at this point.[/quote:aw6zsj2c]
[quote="itsmetristan":aw6zsj2c].[/quote:aw6zsj2c]
Since we're on the topic of communication, I recommend editing either your communication policy, or duelingbook's rules, to include that duelists in rated must know and speak english to communicate properly as I keep seeing duels where a judge has to get called simply because a player keeps speaking in a foreign language. [url:aw6zsj2c]https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=37755642[/url:aw6zsj2c][/quote:aw6zsj2c]
Encourage Google Translate lmao[/quote:aw6zsj2c]

Google translate isn't entirely reliable and is often going to get things wrong.

[quote="MarshieDemon":3s4g0a3i][quote="Sound4":3s4g0a3i][quote="MarshieDemon":3s4g0a3i]Cromat, you asked a question and you got an answer. If you're hoping for permission from a Judge to swear at your opponent for any reason, I'm afraid you'll be disappointed.[/quote:3s4g0a3i]
I sent you a private message please can you answer it.[/quote:3s4g0a3i]

I never received a private message from you.[/quote:3s4g0a3i]
I did.

Today I made a Duel someone in Duelist Pool, they had declared effect of "Baronne de Fleur" and I hadn't realized it, so they had continued the play game. When they ended the their turn, they say to me your Spell is destroyed by the way. I said how it destroyed and when? They say I declared effect. You didn't respond so I continued. Is it my problem if you're AFK. Then I said; If I was AFK, why you continued the game without waiting opponent's respond or wait them to send the your targeted card to GY, or, called Judge for it? They said; why I call Judge while there is no online Judge. Our speech continued like nonsense, at the end I realized trying to talk with that opponent is same thing as eating my own big toilet. So, I sent my card to GY and left from DuelingBook. Opponent was believe that if their opponent is not giving respond that gives themselves a right to continue to play game.

[quote="Cromat":1w05per5]Today I made a Duel someone in Duelist Pool, they had declared effect of "Baronne de Fleur" and I hadn't realized it, so they had continued the play game. When they ended the their turn, they say to me your Spell is destroyed by the way. I said how it destroyed and when? They say I declared effect. You didn't respond so I continued. Is it my problem if you're AFK. Then I said; If I was AFK, why you continued the game without waiting opponent's respond or wait them to send the your targeted card to GY, or, called Judge for it? They said; why I call Judge while there is no online Judge. Our speech continued like nonsense, at the end I realized trying to talk with that opponent is same thing as eating my own big toilet. So, I sent my card to GY and left from DuelingBook. Opponent was believe that if their opponent is not giving respond that gives themselves a right to continue to play game.[/quote:1w05per5]
About how long was it between when they declared Baronne and when they continued?

[quote="greg503":1b55fs32][quote="Cromat":1b55fs32]Today I made a Duel someone in Duelist Pool, they had declared effect of "Baronne de Fleur" and I hadn't realized it, so they had continued the play game. When they ended the their turn, they say to me your Spell is destroyed by the way. I said how it destroyed and when? They say I declared effect. You didn't respond so I continued. Is it my problem if you're AFK. Then I said; If I was AFK, why you continued the game without waiting opponent's respond or wait them to send the your targeted card to GY, or, called Judge for it? They said; why I call Judge while there is no online Judge. Our speech continued like nonsense, at the end I realized trying to talk with that opponent is same thing as eating my own big toilet. So, I sent my card to GY and left from DuelingBook. Opponent was believe that if their opponent is not giving respond that gives themselves a right to continue to play game.[/quote:1b55fs32]
About how long was it between when they declared Baronne and when they continued?[/quote:1b55fs32]

I am not sure right now man.. I don't want to say something wrong. https://imgur.com/I93db9K

[quote="Cromat":pzlfqxmi][quote="greg503":pzlfqxmi][quote="Cromat":pzlfqxmi]Today I made a Duel someone in Duelist Pool, they had declared effect of "Baronne de Fleur" and I hadn't realized it, so they had continued the play game. When they ended the their turn, they say to me your Spell is destroyed by the way. I said how it destroyed and when? They say I declared effect. You didn't respond so I continued. Is it my problem if you're AFK. Then I said; If I was AFK, why you continued the game without waiting opponent's respond or wait them to send the your targeted card to GY, or, called Judge for it? They said; why I call Judge while there is no online Judge. Our speech continued like nonsense, at the end I realized trying to talk with that opponent is same thing as eating my own big toilet. So, I sent my card to GY and left from DuelingBook. Opponent was believe that if their opponent is not giving respond that gives themselves a right to continue to play game.[/quote:pzlfqxmi]
About how long was it between when they declared Baronne and when they continued?[/quote:pzlfqxmi]

I am not sure right now man.. I don't want to say something wrong. https://imgur.com/I93db9K[/quote:pzlfqxmi]
You can check the log to see how long the server said it took between game actions

[quote="Cromat":1pxhy1bd]Today I made a Duel someone in Duelist Pool, they had declared effect of "Baronne de Fleur" and I hadn't realized it, so they had continued the play game. When they ended the their turn, they say to me your Spell is destroyed by the way. I said how it destroyed and when? They say I declared effect. You didn't respond so I continued. Is it my problem if you're AFK. Then I said; If I was AFK, why you continued the game without waiting opponent's respond or wait them to send the your targeted card to GY, or, called Judge for it? They said; why I call Judge while there is no online Judge. Our speech continued like nonsense, at the end I realized trying to talk with that opponent is same thing as eating my own big toilet. So, I sent my card to GY and left from DuelingBook. Opponent was believe that if their opponent is not giving respond that gives themselves a right to continue to play game.[/quote:1pxhy1bd]
While the opponent is wrong here, you're also in the wrong. You're in the wrong because you weren't paying attention. If you're focusing on other things or you're not paying attention you really shouldn't be playing Yugioh.

[quote="Cromat":22qr98dw]Today I made a Duel someone in Duelist Pool, they had declared effect of "Baronne de Fleur" and I hadn't realized it, so they had continued the play game. When they ended the their turn, they say to me your Spell is destroyed by the way. I said how it destroyed and when? They say I declared effect. You didn't respond so I continued. Is it my problem if you're AFK. Then I said; If I was AFK, why you continued the game without waiting opponent's respond or wait them to send the your targeted card to GY, or, called Judge for it? They said; why I call Judge while there is no online Judge. Our speech continued like nonsense, at the end I realized trying to talk with that opponent is same thing as eating my own big toilet. So, I sent my card to GY and left from DuelingBook. Opponent was believe that if their opponent is not giving respond that gives themselves a right to continue to play game.[/quote:22qr98dw]

Replay?

[quote="Christen57":2mo7wojr][quote="Cromat":2mo7wojr]Today I made a Duel someone in Duelist Pool, they had declared effect of "Baronne de Fleur" and I hadn't realized it, so they had continued the play game. When they ended the their turn, they say to me your Spell is destroyed by the way. I said how it destroyed and when? They say I declared effect. You didn't respond so I continued. Is it my problem if you're AFK. Then I said; If I was AFK, why you continued the game without waiting opponent's respond or wait them to send the your targeted card to GY, or, called Judge for it? They said; why I call Judge while there is no online Judge. Our speech continued like nonsense, at the end I realized trying to talk with that opponent is same thing as eating my own big toilet. So, I sent my card to GY and left from DuelingBook. Opponent was believe that if their opponent is not giving respond that gives themselves a right to continue to play game.[/quote:2mo7wojr]

Replay?[/quote:2mo7wojr]
https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=40449475

well you should always be paying attention. yes they should have made you send the card before continuing but it did not hinder or affect anything here when noticed putting it in the gy would have fixed the problem and did not require a 100 word exchange with the opponent over it especially when it was mainly your fault to begin with. I advise paying much better attention to the games and learning when to debate an issue and when not to. if that was game you would be frozen right now. I'm still deciding wether or not i need to give penalties here.

Okay. After seeing, over and over, replays like this: [url:6fqrk73s]https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=40482688[/url:6fqrk73s]

I can't help but feel that it's about time the Pause Button is removed from the site, as every time the game gets paused in rated, it's always considered "abuse" and "misuse" of the Pause Button. There just never seems to be any scenario where Pausing is acceptable and doesn't end in a player getting warned/penalized by a judge for doing so.

[quote="Christen57":2ivv8o2g]Okay. After seeing, over and over, replays like this: [url:2ivv8o2g]https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=40482688[/url:2ivv8o2g]

I can't help but feel that it's about time the Pause Button is removed from the site, as every time the game gets paused in rated, it's always considered "abuse" and "misuse" of the Pause Button. There just never seems to be any scenario where Pausing is acceptable and doesn't end in a player getting warned/penalized by a judge for doing so.[/quote:2ivv8o2g]

I don't think you have an adequate sampling method to make a claim like that. Assuming your replay group is based on things you see from just natural exposure, such as posted replays, etc. there's likely a natural bias towards abused scenarios, such as pause button abuse, so you're more likely to acquire those cases than the ones where the pause button wasn't abused. Not to mention you're more likely to notice when the pause button was a problem in the replay because it's pointed out in the game by a player/judge, whereas the instances it's used but not abused more easily fly under the radar since it was just a minor action taken like any other.

Not saying I know what the percentages are, but the general observation methods seem like they have complications that need to be addressed to more accurately represent the situation. Having it be cases that are disproportionately made up of judge calls, or duels players complained about, etc. tilts things.

[quote="Wek":tupb2emc][quote="Christen57":tupb2emc]Okay. After seeing, over and over, replays like this: [url:tupb2emc]https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=40482688[/url:tupb2emc]

I can't help but feel that it's about time the Pause Button is removed from the site, as every time the game gets paused in rated, it's always considered "abuse" and "misuse" of the Pause Button. There just never seems to be any scenario where Pausing is acceptable and doesn't end in a player getting warned/penalized by a judge for doing so.[/quote:tupb2emc]

I don't think you have an adequate sampling method to make a claim like that. Assuming your replay group is based on things you see from just natural exposure, such as posted replays, etc. there's likely a natural bias towards abused scenarios, such as pause button abuse, so you're more likely to acquire those cases than the ones where the pause button wasn't abused. Not to mention you're more likely to notice when the pause button was a problem in the replay because it's pointed out in the game by a player/judge, whereas the instances it's used but not abused more easily fly under the radar since it was just a minor action taken like any other.

Not saying I know what the percentages are, but the general observation methods seem like they have complications that need to be addressed to more accurately represent the situation. Having it be cases that are disproportionately made up of judge calls, or duels players complained about, etc. tilts things.[/quote:tupb2emc]
He might not but I do. I can assure you atleast 90% of the time players use the pause button when a judge call is made it is used improperly.

[quote="Genexwrecker":25qhv90i][quote="Wek":25qhv90i][quote="Christen57":25qhv90i]Okay. After seeing, over and over, replays like this: [url:25qhv90i]https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=40482688[/url:25qhv90i]

I can't help but feel that it's about time the Pause Button is removed from the site, as every time the game gets paused in rated, it's always considered "abuse" and "misuse" of the Pause Button. There just never seems to be any scenario where Pausing is acceptable and doesn't end in a player getting warned/penalized by a judge for doing so.[/quote:25qhv90i]

I don't think you have an adequate sampling method to make a claim like that. Assuming your replay group is based on things you see from just natural exposure, such as posted replays, etc. there's likely a natural bias towards abused scenarios, such as pause button abuse, so you're more likely to acquire those cases than the ones where the pause button wasn't abused. Not to mention you're more likely to notice when the pause button was a problem in the replay because it's pointed out in the game by a player/judge, whereas the instances it's used but not abused more easily fly under the radar since it was just a minor action taken like any other.

Not saying I know what the percentages are, but the general observation methods seem like they have complications that need to be addressed to more accurately represent the situation. Having it be cases that are disproportionately made up of judge calls, or duels players complained about, etc. tilts things.[/quote:25qhv90i]
He might not but I do. I can assure you atleast 90% of the time players use the pause button when a judge call is made it is used improperly.[/quote:25qhv90i]
I use the pause button when my opponent is clearly ignoring me

That of course implies I actually do anything that isn't involving Solo Mode.

[quote="Renji Asuka":2p83q1ai][quote="Genexwrecker":2p83q1ai][quote="Wek":2p83q1ai]

I don't think you have an adequate sampling method to make a claim like that. Assuming your replay group is based on things you see from just natural exposure, such as posted replays, etc. there's likely a natural bias towards abused scenarios, such as pause button abuse, so you're more likely to acquire those cases than the ones where the pause button wasn't abused. Not to mention you're more likely to notice when the pause button was a problem in the replay because it's pointed out in the game by a player/judge, whereas the instances it's used but not abused more easily fly under the radar since it was just a minor action taken like any other.

Not saying I know what the percentages are, but the general observation methods seem like they have complications that need to be addressed to more accurately represent the situation. Having it be cases that are disproportionately made up of judge calls, or duels players complained about, etc. tilts things.[/quote:2p83q1ai]
He might not but I do. I can assure you atleast 90% of the time players use the pause button when a judge call is made it is used improperly.[/quote:2p83q1ai]
I use the pause button when my opponent is clearly ignoring me

That of course implies I actually do anything that isn't involving Solo Mode.[/quote:2p83q1ai]

Why not just call a judge if you're being ignored? Why do you have to pause?

[quote="Genexwrecker":32qagy37][quote="Wek":32qagy37][quote="Christen57":32qagy37]Okay. After seeing, over and over, replays like this: [url:32qagy37]https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=40482688[/url:32qagy37]

I can't help but feel that it's about time the Pause Button is removed from the site, as every time the game gets paused in rated, it's always considered "abuse" and "misuse" of the Pause Button. There just never seems to be any scenario where Pausing is acceptable and doesn't end in a player getting warned/penalized by a judge for doing so.[/quote:32qagy37]

I don't think you have an adequate sampling method to make a claim like that. Assuming your replay group is based on things you see from just natural exposure, such as posted replays, etc. there's likely a natural bias towards abused scenarios, such as pause button abuse, so you're more likely to acquire those cases than the ones where the pause button wasn't abused. Not to mention you're more likely to notice when the pause button was a problem in the replay because it's pointed out in the game by a player/judge, whereas the instances it's used but not abused more easily fly under the radar since it was just a minor action taken like any other.

Not saying I know what the percentages are, but the general observation methods seem like they have complications that need to be addressed to more accurately represent the situation. Having it be cases that are disproportionately made up of judge calls, or duels players complained about, etc. tilts things.[/quote:32qagy37]
He might not but I do. I can assure you atleast 90% of the time players use the pause button when a judge call is made it is used improperly.[/quote:32qagy37]

And when a judge call isn't being made?

[quote="Wek":3m0guxex][quote="Genexwrecker":3m0guxex][quote="Wek":3m0guxex]

I don't think you have an adequate sampling method to make a claim like that. Assuming your replay group is based on things you see from just natural exposure, such as posted replays, etc. there's likely a natural bias towards abused scenarios, such as pause button abuse, so you're more likely to acquire those cases than the ones where the pause button wasn't abused. Not to mention you're more likely to notice when the pause button was a problem in the replay because it's pointed out in the game by a player/judge, whereas the instances it's used but not abused more easily fly under the radar since it was just a minor action taken like any other.

Not saying I know what the percentages are, but the general observation methods seem like they have complications that need to be addressed to more accurately represent the situation. Having it be cases that are disproportionately made up of judge calls, or duels players complained about, etc. tilts things.[/quote:3m0guxex]
He might not but I do. I can assure you atleast 90% of the time players use the pause button when a judge call is made it is used improperly.[/quote:3m0guxex]

And when a judge call isn't being made?[/quote:3m0guxex]
Probably closer to 99%

[quote="Christen57":1s10em22][quote="Renji Asuka":1s10em22][quote="Genexwrecker":1s10em22]
He might not but I do. I can assure you atleast 90% of the time players use the pause button when a judge call is made it is used improperly.[/quote:1s10em22]
I use the pause button when my opponent is clearly ignoring me

That of course implies I actually do anything that isn't involving Solo Mode.[/quote:1s10em22]

Why not just call a judge if you're being ignored? Why do you have to pause?[/quote:1s10em22]
Simple, it's an issue that can be resolved without needing a judge. Cause the opponent would finally look in chat.

[quote="Genexwrecker":30hoo3pl]
https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=40449475

well you should always be paying attention. yes they should have made you send the card before continuing but it did not hinder or affect anything here when noticed putting it in the gy would have fixed the problem and did not require a 100 word exchange with the opponent over it especially when it was mainly your fault to begin with. I advise paying much better attention to the games and learning when to debate an issue and when not to. if that was game you would be frozen right now. I'm still deciding wether or not i need to give penalties here.[/quote:30hoo3pl]

https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=40513853
So.. This time; had I made the debate correct time?

[quote="GayNProud":12ywehtx]Genewrecker: This is so ironic coming from you after how you handled the last appeal you took for me. I am working on a very elaborate and detailed forum thread with evidence. We can have that discussion there.

FYI: the opponent ended up repeating the same abusive gameplay related and harassment related behaviors as well, including calling me a faggot. Will be reporting that as abuse as well once I have my forum post ready to go simulatenously. But just know that your failure as a "judge" to take action did not deter the player from their behaviors, and led to their escalation.

Stay tuned! It is going to be the most discussed forum post DB Forums have seen in a while. We will have a dialogue about topics such as:

1. Equitable and consistent application of rules
2. Strictness of rules
3. Vagueness of current rules and their listed examples
4. Judges' lack of common sense and use of proper "judgement"
5. Judges' corruption and bias against certain decks[/quote:12ywehtx]
So much for that happening.

[quote="Sound4":3d3v7cze][quote="GayNProud":3d3v7cze]Genewrecker: This is so ironic coming from you after how you handled the last appeal you took for me. I am working on a very elaborate and detailed forum thread with evidence. We can have that discussion there.

FYI: the opponent ended up repeating the same abusive gameplay related and harassment related behaviors as well, including calling me a faggot. Will be reporting that as abuse as well once I have my forum post ready to go simulatenously. But just know that your failure as a "judge" to take action did not deter the player from their behaviors, and led to their escalation.

Stay tuned! It is going to be the most discussed forum post DB Forums have seen in a while. We will have a dialogue about topics such as:

1. Equitable and consistent application of rules
2. Strictness of rules
3. Vagueness of current rules and their listed examples
4. Judges' lack of common sense and use of proper "judgement"
5. Judges' corruption and bias against certain decks[/quote:3d3v7cze]
So much for that happening.[/quote:3d3v7cze]
Almost like those listed points are false or non-issues

[quote="Cromat":s8opker0]If your opponent plays the cards, and continues without waiting for the resolutions to be completed, and does not explain anything to you; What should our attitude be in such a situation?

● For example, they played "Upstart Goblin" and played other cards and summoned 10's of monsters, then end their turn without waiting for you to gain 1000 LP, and they didn't tell you that you should also gain 1000 LP. Is this 100% your fault or your opponent?

● If Judge arrives there: Which player is responsible for this situation?



Let me know your thoughts, and then I'll give you another example.[/quote:s8opker0]

If it's something trivial like Upstart Goblin's 1000 LP, I'm sure you could just gain that LP and continue.

I have given a very simple example to make it easy for you to understand. What if it's not something trivial? So, according to you: "You're saying as in such cases the point is about issue(s)'s being trivial or not?"

● When "Pot of Extravagance" activated they banished 5 cards instead of 6 and you didn't say it to your opponent and also they have only 1 card in their Extra Deck after they banished 5 cards face-down and game continued like that. Then you Summoned a monster (let's named that card's type as Synchro) and they activated "Ultimate Slayer" and that moment they've a Synchro Monster in your Extra Deck, they send that Synchro Monster to their GY and shuffled your monster into Deck, but that card shouldn't be at in their Extra Deck at that moment because of their "Pot of Extravagance".

So at the example that situation isn't trivial, isn't? But hadn't gained 1000 LP is trivial?

[quote="Cromat":1evd6u3q]I have given a very simple example to make it easy for you to understand. What if it's not something trivial? So, according to you: "You're saying as in such cases the point is about issue(s)'s being trivial or not?"

● When "Pot of Extravagance" activated they banished 5 cards instead of 6 and you didn't say it to your opponent and also they have only 1 card in their Extra Deck after they banished 5 cards face-down and game continued like that. Then you Summoned a monster (let's named that card's type as Synchro) and they activated "Ultimate Slayer" and that moment they've a Synchro Monster in your Extra Deck, they send that Synchro Monster to their GY and shuffled your monster into Deck, but that card shouldn't be at in their Extra Deck at that moment because of their "Pot of Extravagance".

So at the example that situation isn't trivial, isn't? But hadn't gained 1000 LP is trivial?[/quote:1evd6u3q]
The deal is how repairable the gamestate is, correcting LP off of Upstart Goblin is easy, but if they use the ED after incorrectly resolving Extrav, then you probably should get a judge ruling. Remember that accepted gamestates is an option.

Technically:

By not gaining 1000 LP, we've created an illegal gamestate. Assuming a Judge gets called because the players could not reach a resolution themselves, the Judge would investigate the situation as they would any other. Which player is responsible? Clearly, both are. Why did the player continue without waiting for their opponent to gain 1000 LP? Why did the opponent not gain the 1000 LP and allow the game to continue? Is there an accusation of malicious cheating that we need to consider?

Assuming the answers to these questions do not indicate any malice was involved, the next step for the Judge would be to determine how to repair the gamestate. Do we have to rewind the whole gamestate back because the extra 1000 LP matters? Would both players still have made the same actions up to this point regardless of the extra 1000 LP? Can we just correct the LP and move on? Obviously, if neither player changes their actions, there's no point in rewinding the gamestate all the way back.

And if we determine that the LP difference would have mattered, is it even possible to rewind the gamestate that far back? Do we need to consider this an irreparable gamestate, and follow the policies regarding that?

Tl;dr there's no simple answer. The Judge will need to perform an investigation and make a decision on how to best proceed.

What if a player is insulting someone else and not giving the ok for the other player to continue. Do you continue? If not why?

[quote="Sound4":1cnjlek2]What if a player is insulting someone else and not giving the ok for the other player to continue. Do you continue? If not why?[/quote:1cnjlek2]
This has already been answered...

[quote="Renji Asuka":ixg2u8xb][quote="Sound4":ixg2u8xb]What if a player is insulting someone else and not giving the ok for the other player to continue. Do you continue? If not why?[/quote:ixg2u8xb]
This has already been answered...[/quote:ixg2u8xb]
Has it? Where has it been answered?

[quote="Sound4":2c6nfa67][quote="Renji Asuka":2c6nfa67][quote="Sound4":2c6nfa67]What if a player is insulting someone else and not giving the ok for the other player to continue. Do you continue? If not why?[/quote:2c6nfa67]
This has already been answered...[/quote:2c6nfa67]
Has it? Where has it been answered?[/quote:2c6nfa67]
Probably in this very thread, you should take a few minutes to read it through

[quote="greg503":4e7czqdj][quote="Sound4":4e7czqdj][quote="Renji Asuka":4e7czqdj]
This has already been answered...[/quote:4e7czqdj]
Has it? Where has it been answered?[/quote:4e7czqdj]
Probably in this very thread, you should take a few minutes to read it through[/quote:4e7czqdj]
Not counting the fact that it's been stated in threads that sparked this one and even Genexwrecker commented.

And sound4 participated in those threads too.

[quote="Sound4":18t4fnig]What if a player is insulting someone else and not giving the ok for the other player to continue. Do you continue? If not why?[/quote:18t4fnig]
Considering you cannot play ranked constantly re-asking these already answered questions has no purpose for you.

[quote="Genexwrecker":2ytzvfe1][quote="Sound4":2ytzvfe1]What if a player is insulting someone else and not giving the ok for the other player to continue. Do you continue? If not why?[/quote:2ytzvfe1]
Considering you cannot play ranked[/quote:2ytzvfe1]

Knew this would happen sooner or later with how he's been behaving in rated this past year.

What was it that finally costed him his right to play in ranked? Continued believing that silence is always consent?

Hello,

Today, I encountered a player which made an illegal Summon, I think they were a smurf account of a player which has a high rating point at DuelingBook. I told them that you cannot. But they did not listen to me and continued to play. When I called Judge to this, they offered to rewound the game and proceed, after Judge arrived before the Duel is over Judge can give me warning.. Is this possible at here? So, if we consider that I did cheat after that opponent called a Judge for cheating, I can make a deal with my opponent and continue the Duel after rewound with correct gamestate, and when Judge arrived they can freeze me for I cheated, should not the other player either should be frozen for make a such deal with their opponent?

During the Duel; https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-52984179
● My opponent Link Summoned of "Decode Talker Heatsoul" by using as Link Material of "Rescue-ACE Preventer" and "Salamangreat Sunlight Wolf". After that, they used the effect of the Link Monster just Summoned and drew a card, then they put a card from their hand to Deck back.
● Those are have not different Attributes and that non-Link Effect Monster is not a Cyberse-Type monster. But my opponent still insist to continue to game, because they say they'll take only warning so, let the game continue to me.
● But I did not proceed and wanted to wait for a Judge, because I've a game related issue here I think. But opponent says only issue at here is still their drew card by their Link-3 Link Monster..



Or are my opponent right on this point?

Your communication skills were terrible.

Your opponent only thought the card that was drawn was the problem, it wasn't. The opponent should had returned to the gamestate prior to heatsoul, but you didn't explain that very well.

[quote="Cromat":6ytswi2p]For better or worse.. After all, I explained it. Whether they take what I say into consideration or not is their problem. It seemed to me you did not review of that game's log very well. (I have already told them at [5:54], [6:32], [16:47].) Just as how you choose to disparage the players in every comment, they also chose not to listen to me. You can't tell me you didn't explain the game-related issue.

But you can answer this question; the players can agree among themselves and rewind the game to reach the previous possible correct game state and continue the game, and when the Judge comes, can they apply to penalty to them for the issue related to this occured last game-related issue? Tell me whether you agree or not.[/quote:6ytswi2p]
I have reviewed it, at no point did you tell your opponent to return Heatsoul back to the extra deck.

[quote="Renji Asuka":m0upmfk4]I have reviewed it, at no point did you tell your opponent to return Heatsoul back to the extra deck.[/quote:m0upmfk4]

I never said to my opponent that return that Link Monster to your Extra Deck back, you're right about it. But they know rules very well and they know how to rewind game for reach the previous correct gamestate. Therefore I didn't need to tell them what they should or must, I told them what they cannot or can, and like you, they think they can do whatever they want. Because they're aware that they would take only warning. I think they know the rules well enough to interfere with whether I should take serious of rules or not regarding my rating points into account.

[quote="Cromat":1wg4gtxw][quote="Renji Asuka":1wg4gtxw]I have reviewed it, at no point did you tell your opponent to return Heatsoul back to the extra deck.[/quote:1wg4gtxw]

I never said to my opponent that return that Link Monster to your Extra Deck back, you're right about it. But they know rules very well and they know how to rewind game for reach the previous correct gamestate. Therefore I didn't need to tell them what they should or must, I told them what they cannot or can, and like you, they think they can do whatever they want. Because they're aware that they would take only warning. I think they know the rules well enough to interfere with whether I should take serious of rules or not regarding my rating points into account.[/quote:1wg4gtxw]
The fact you felt like you didn't feel the need to tell them, is proof enough that you need to work on your communication skills in situations like this.

[quote="Cromat":oqd26f8d]If the opponent is constantly taking shortcuts, what path should I follow in the game?[/quote:oqd26f8d]
Define shortcuts.

[quote="Renji Asuka":xsbxgp50][quote="Cromat":xsbxgp50]If the opponent is constantly taking shortcuts, what path should I follow in the game?[/quote:xsbxgp50]
Define shortcuts.[/quote:xsbxgp50]

Ctrl + C : Copy the selected item.
Ctrl + V : Paste the selected item.
Ctrl + A : Select all items in a document or window.

Do you still want me to continue to define them?

[quote="Renji Asuka":26dizb90][quote="Cromat":26dizb90]If the opponent is constantly taking shortcuts, what path should I follow in the game?[/quote:26dizb90]
Define shortcuts.[/quote:26dizb90]

Depends on what the shortcut is. You can usually allow shortcuts, especially if you have no hand traps or anything, and judges usually allow them; while other shortcuts may not be allowed and shouldn't be allowed, especially if you have a hand trap and would like to use it at some point to interrupt the opponent.

There are some situations where it's required that you take shortcuts, such as when doing a loop: [url:26dizb90]https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Controlled_loop#Tournament_rulings[/url:26dizb90]

Current tournament rules state that if a player wants to perform a controlled loop, they may physically perform the loop once and then tell their opponent exactly the number of times they wish to repeat it. The opponent may then respond to any iteration of the loop by stating the iteration number.

[quote="Cromat":26dizb90]Hello,

Today, I encountered a player which made an illegal Summon, I think they were a smurf account of a player which has a high rating point at DuelingBook. I told them that you cannot. But they did not listen to me and continued to play. When I called Judge to this, they offered to rewound the game and proceed, after Judge arrived before the Duel is over Judge can give me warning.. Is this possible at here? So, if we consider that I did cheat after that opponent called a Judge for cheating, I can make a deal with my opponent and continue the Duel after rewound with correct gamestate, and when Judge arrived they can freeze me for I cheated, should not the other player either should be frozen for make a such deal with their opponent?

During the Duel; https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-52984179
● My opponent Link Summoned of "Decode Talker Heatsoul" by using as Link Material of "Rescue-ACE Preventer" and "Salamangreat Sunlight Wolf". After that, they used the effect of the Link Monster just Summoned and drew a card, then they put a card from their hand to Deck back.
● Those are have not different Attributes and that non-Link Effect Monster is not a Cyberse-Type monster. But my opponent still insist to continue to game, because they say they'll take only warning so, let the game continue to me.
● But I did not proceed and wanted to wait for a Judge, because I've a game related issue here I think. But opponent says only issue at here is still their drew card by their Link-3 Link Monster..



Or are my opponent right on this point?[/quote:26dizb90]

Your behavior here was a bit inappropriate and childish. It's both players' responsibility to maintain a proper gamestate, and both players' responsibility to try and correct said gamestate, when an illegal move is made, when possible to do so without waiting on a judge. Therefore you should have told him to also return his link-3 to the extra deck and regain the 1000 life points when he wasn't doing those things, not relied solely on him to figure out and correct everything by himself.

You held up the game for 20+ minutes over something that should've easily been resolved by yourselves without a judge. Several people like Sound4 have gotten frozen for such behavior.

[quote="Christen57":35cg8vga][quote="Renji Asuka":35cg8vga][quote="Cromat":35cg8vga]If the opponent is constantly taking shortcuts, what path should I follow in the game?[/quote:35cg8vga]
Define shortcuts.[/quote:35cg8vga]

Depends on what the shortcut is. You can usually allow shortcuts, especially if you have no hand traps or anything, and judges usually allow them; while other shortcuts may not be allowed and shouldn't be allowed, especially if you have a hand trap and would like to use it at some point to interrupt the opponent.

There are some situations where it's required that you take shortcuts, such as when doing a loop: [url:35cg8vga]https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Controlled_loop#Tournament_rulings[/url:35cg8vga]

Current tournament rules state that if a player wants to perform a controlled loop, they may physically perform the loop once and then tell their opponent exactly the number of times they wish to repeat it. The opponent may then respond to any iteration of the loop by stating the iteration number.

[quote="Cromat":35cg8vga]Hello,

Today, I encountered a player which made an illegal Summon, I think they were a smurf account of a player which has a high rating point at DuelingBook. I told them that you cannot. But they did not listen to me and continued to play. When I called Judge to this, they offered to rewound the game and proceed, after Judge arrived before the Duel is over Judge can give me warning.. Is this possible at here? So, if we consider that I did cheat after that opponent called a Judge for cheating, I can make a deal with my opponent and continue the Duel after rewound with correct gamestate, and when Judge arrived they can freeze me for I cheated, should not the other player either should be frozen for make a such deal with their opponent?

During the Duel; https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-52984179
● My opponent Link Summoned of "Decode Talker Heatsoul" by using as Link Material of "Rescue-ACE Preventer" and "Salamangreat Sunlight Wolf". After that, they used the effect of the Link Monster just Summoned and drew a card, then they put a card from their hand to Deck back.
● Those are have not different Attributes and that non-Link Effect Monster is not a Cyberse-Type monster. But my opponent still insist to continue to game, because they say they'll take only warning so, let the game continue to me.
● But I did not proceed and wanted to wait for a Judge, because I've a game related issue here I think. But opponent says only issue at here is still their drew card by their Link-3 Link Monster..



Or are my opponent right on this point?[/quote:35cg8vga]

Your behavior here was a bit inappropriate and childish. It's both players' responsibility to maintain a proper gamestate, and both players' responsibility to try and correct said gamestate, when an illegal move is made, when possible to do so without waiting on a judge. Therefore you should have told him to also return his link-3 to the extra deck and regain the 1000 life points when he wasn't doing those things, not relied solely on him to figure out and correct everything by himself.

You held up the game for 20+ minutes over something that should've easily been resolved by yourselves without a judge. Several people like Sound4 have gotten frozen for such behavior.[/quote:35cg8vga]

So, you are defending this idea: If a player's opponent, cannot understand what they read, that opponent's opponent should freeze because those situations does not require(s) Judge(s). Because Cromat's job is teach the their opponents' what meaning the specific words' meanings. So let me to reach to the high level; you shortly wants if a Judge gives 30 seconds to one specific player to respond or continue or to do something for it, and to that; if that player does not understand of refuse to read or refuse to understand what Judge's say, instead of that specific player, Judge should be punished, because like you said, I had been spend 20 more minutes because my opponent do not read any card or trying to understand any sentence of any card's, any text.

I think you should start to write something more meaningful instead of just writing messages to increase your message count. With those, you no different from Renji Asuka, Christen57.

[quote="Cromat":hcnis6b0][quote="Christen57":hcnis6b0][quote="Renji Asuka":hcnis6b0]
Define shortcuts.[/quote:hcnis6b0]

Depends on what the shortcut is. You can usually allow shortcuts, especially if you have no hand traps or anything, and judges usually allow them; while other shortcuts may not be allowed and shouldn't be allowed, especially if you have a hand trap and would like to use it at some point to interrupt the opponent.

There are some situations where it's required that you take shortcuts, such as when doing a loop: [url:hcnis6b0]https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Controlled_loop#Tournament_rulings[/url:hcnis6b0]

Current tournament rules state that if a player wants to perform a controlled loop, they may physically perform the loop once and then tell their opponent exactly the number of times they wish to repeat it. The opponent may then respond to any iteration of the loop by stating the iteration number.

[quote="Cromat":hcnis6b0]Hello,

Today, I encountered a player which made an illegal Summon, I think they were a smurf account of a player which has a high rating point at DuelingBook. I told them that you cannot. But they did not listen to me and continued to play. When I called Judge to this, they offered to rewound the game and proceed, after Judge arrived before the Duel is over Judge can give me warning.. Is this possible at here? So, if we consider that I did cheat after that opponent called a Judge for cheating, I can make a deal with my opponent and continue the Duel after rewound with correct gamestate, and when Judge arrived they can freeze me for I cheated, should not the other player either should be frozen for make a such deal with their opponent?

During the Duel; https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=168328-52984179
● My opponent Link Summoned of "Decode Talker Heatsoul" by using as Link Material of "Rescue-ACE Preventer" and "Salamangreat Sunlight Wolf". After that, they used the effect of the Link Monster just Summoned and drew a card, then they put a card from their hand to Deck back.
● Those are have not different Attributes and that non-Link Effect Monster is not a Cyberse-Type monster. But my opponent still insist to continue to game, because they say they'll take only warning so, let the game continue to me.
● But I did not proceed and wanted to wait for a Judge, because I've a game related issue here I think. But opponent says only issue at here is still their drew card by their Link-3 Link Monster..



Or are my opponent right on this point?[/quote:hcnis6b0]

Your behavior here was a bit inappropriate and childish. It's both players' responsibility to maintain a proper gamestate, and both players' responsibility to try and correct said gamestate, when an illegal move is made, when possible to do so without waiting on a judge. Therefore you should have told him to also return his link-3 to the extra deck and regain the 1000 life points when he wasn't doing those things, not relied solely on him to figure out and correct everything by himself.

You held up the game for 20+ minutes over something that should've easily been resolved by yourselves without a judge. Several people like Sound4 have gotten frozen for such behavior.[/quote:hcnis6b0]

So, you are defending this idea: If a player's opponent, cannot understand what they read, that opponent's opponent should freeze because those situations does not require(s) Judge(s). Because Cromat's job is teach the their opponents' what meaning the specific words' meanings. So let me to reach to the high level; you shortly wants if a Judge gives 30 seconds to one specific player to respond or continue or to do something for it, and to that; if that player does not understand of refuse to read or refuse to understand what Judge's say, instead of that specific player, Judge should be punished, because like you said, I had been spend 20 more minutes because my opponent do not read any card or trying to understand any sentence of any card's, any text.

I think you should start to write something more meaningful instead of just writing messages to increase your message count. With those, you no different from Renji Asuka, Christen57.[/quote:hcnis6b0]

Your job was to maintain a proper gamestate with your opponent. He made a mistake, so both players had to work on correcting it so the game would return to a proper gamestate; meaning you had to inform him the remaining steps he needed to take to restore the gamestate, while he had to follow those steps.

20 minutes weren't wasted due to your opponent not reading or not understanding anything. They were wasted due to you refusing to tell him the 2 other things he had to do to correct the gamestate: Returning the illegally summoned monster back to the extra deck and regaining the illegally lost 1000 life points.

There is 1 face-up "Fire Prison" on my Field Spell Zone, while my opponent has a monster which is non-Link Monster. And my opponent is insistly continuing to declare attacks, while I have already told them that you should read my Field Spell.

In the above scenario, you want to being freeze me because I do not take battle damage from my opponent's monster, because according to you, that is holding up the game.

I'd be more specific, like saying "my field spell is preventing that monster from attacking" instead of just "read my spell".

You two have already been ruining everyone's topic since the site's inception, so at least let Genexwrecker's topic stay clean. Because I am really tired to verbal fighting with you all. When you start to understand what you read, let's start to discuss again. And stop to blame your opponents when you do not understand their cards' sentences.

*Cromat has logged out.*

I have talked with Head Judge, and we decided that you were right Christen57. If your opponent cheats or make illegal moves, you are the one responsible. So, if your opponent cannot read or cannot understand what they read, that is your fault. End of story. Finally you find a chance to abuse rules for take absurd advantage at your games, if you cheats at your games, you can make your opponent frozen for cheating.

I like how you posted this when I said explicitly in the call what you should've taken away from that.