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I'm sure so many people are starting to get sick and tired of people who are making it impossible for us to create balanced custom cards without getting wrecked by random opponents who bring in overpowered decks. Unless you're always playing against a specific group of people, it's never gonna be possible for custom cards to be balanced.

That is, unless the DB staff team implements a system to put a stop to these stupid custom cards, once and for all.

Yes, I know I do tend to make meta-based archetypes; however, it's not without reason. You guys have to understand that I build custom decks while taking into account the possibility that I may have to deal with that random custom card player who brings in a deck that just cannot be negated in any ways possible. You can only block those people so many times to the point where it becomes difficult to find people to play custom cards against, and there's only so many times that one can ask the opponent to bring balanced custom cards, only to get scammed with an OP board.

As long as an automated system is not put in place, we'll always have to put up with players like CrystalMusic and Chaosprince who ruin the custom card format for the rest of us, forcing people like me to build decks with tier 0 meta in mind just to have a chance at beating them.

In order to put a stop to this, here's my suggestion as follows. I will only agree to balance my cards and re-release them as tamed tier 1 decks, only if the following conditions are met:
1. Implement a way to either enforce proper PSCT (by using automated pre-fill responses to force people to follow the proper PSCT and having a word count limit per card), or hand-pick mods who are qualified to check the PSCT of such cards. My hope is that by doing so, we won't have to teach people how to write PSCT as the automated system will force people to do it the right way, and beginners can't make mistakes.
2. Auto-delete/purge custom cards that resemble any of the following (Initiate a full purge of custom cards if you must. I'm willing to remake my custom cards from scratch if it means ensuring that these cards never come back into the custom card pool ever again.):
-Remakes of TCG/OCG cards, and/or anime cards (either by artwork, name, effect description, etc.) - These types of cards are what ruin character duels for me in custom duels.
-Insta-win/"unaffected by all other card effects" cards that are way too cheap to use. If it becomes obvious that you don't have to work so hard for an insta-win card, then those cards have no business being in the custom card pool
-Troll/meme cards that contain effects that do not relate to the duel whatsoever. I've dealt with this at one point where someone made a card that turns the opposing player into a femboy. Seriously, WTF? Need proof? Watch this replay: https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=37528-35955870
-"At the start of the Duel" cards. Nobody wants to read effects that apply at the start of the duel. (Yes, CrystalMusic, I'm talking about you!) Same applies to the "Annoying Dog" cards - once the stupid cards are purged from the system, there will no longer be a need (hopefully) for anyone to compromise on extra deck space JUST to use these cards.
3. Expand enforcement of banning inappropriate custom cards to private custom cards as well. There used to be a player in the custom card pool who used a bunch of custom cards containing pictures that showed men who held real-life firearms. I'm not sure if this person continues to play custom cards, but if yes, then this is a major cause for concern because it means that players have a way to circumvent the rules in order to continue creating inappropriate custom cards while retaining their ability to create custom cards. By expanding this rule to private cards as well, we're effectively closing off any and all potential loopholes for people to utilize in order to make inappropriate custom cards.

Yes, I know custom cards are not considered official TCG or OCG formats; however, that doesn't mean that these cards should be allowed to just rampage the entire format and make custom card creators like myself look bad.

Ultimately, however, the choice is yours. We could spend the rest of our custom card hobby making tier 0 decks just to be able to survive the toxic format that'll never be balanced, OR we could go the "push comes to shove" route and start cracking down on this to put an end to these ridiculous custom cards.

EDIT: After careful consideration as well as discussion with other members of DB, it's become clear that the toxicity within the custom card format will never end. The only way to break the chain of toxicity at this point is to delete the custom card format for good. As long as custom card format continues to have toxic members who make the format unenjoyable for everyone else, the format will never be balanced.

At this point, my suggestion is now officially amended to: Delete the custom card format for good, please. Yugitubers like dzeff have already figured it out by now that the toxicity of the custom card format will never end. Try to make cards that counter the bullshit cards? Opponent will just keep on making BS cards to counter the anti-counter cards, and the cycle will never end.

This amendment to the suggestion is not made lightly. Admins, and Xteven, please seriously take a look into this issue and consider.

nice wall but this is litteraly impossible people cant check the cards and a ai to check thats 50 years away and pre filled responces or whatever with certain effects that could work but specific effects are just impossible with odd wording and other stuff we all know those especialy if someone makes inspector boarder the second coming

[quote="PENMASTER":1f7257xu]nice wall but this is literally impossible people cant check the cards and a ai to check thats 50 years away and pre filled responses or whatever with certain effects that could work but specific effects are just impossible with odd wording and other stuff we all know those especially if someone makes inspector boarder the second coming[/quote:1f7257xu]
this issue is almost impossible to fix to me unless you just stop every idiot from making customs cards and hell playing the game in general im totally ok with that but that doesn't really work either

In that case let's add another suggestion to what I've presented.

4. Auto-delete any card that supports TCG/OCG archetypes that are already made. We already have enough problems in the TCG with Dragoon and Drytron. Nobody wants to see those archetypes being supported in the custom format.

And it is possible to fix. It does require a lot of effort, but it all comes down to whether the admins of DB want to see custom cards become a healthy format again, or if they've given up on custom card balance at this point and they might as well allow custom card format to literally become "degenerate" format.

It never was a healthy format, and it never was supposed. I remember that Genex at some point stated that "Customs are just the owners toy." They were made to be just some funny haha's, a couple matches with friends, and even the cutting floor for brand new TCG's, but not a format to be taken seriously.
On the actual suggestion, programming an AI that can tell apart broken from balanced cards is really difficult, not to mention it couldn't easily tell apart from busted cards (i.e. cards that have incredible potential when used right or that are waiting for that big boom, think Snake Rain).
It is imposible to separate regular TCG/OCG from customs unless you disallowed the cards from being in the same deck, generic cards, or even not so strict in-archetype cards can unexpectedly support other decks.
It would be ideal to have a Custom format, but the scope of the idea is just way to big and hard to manage, there's a reason most Custom Discord Servers don't succeed.
Additionally, having an "Authorized" custom format wouldn't be ideal. With the sheer amount of Customs that are uploaded each day, you cannot guarantee broken cards wouldn't slip the radar, and if they actually don't then you have extremely long queues just to get a couple of cards approved.
Don't take this as "I don't want this" I think this would be perfect for people who are pationate about customs like me, rocket, Parhelia or otherwise, but this suggestion is way to "utopic" to actually be do-able. If a couple servers struggle to keep a balanced format, I doubt a full-scale project like this would go any differently.

[quote="Lil Oldman":2jwqp6uk]It never was a healthy format, and it never was supposed. I remember that Genex at some point stated that "Customs are just the owners toy." They were made to be just some funny haha's, a couple matches with friends, and even the cutting floor for brand new TCG's, but not a format to be taken seriously.
On the actual suggestion, programming an AI that can tell apart broken from balanced cards is really difficult, not to mention it couldn't easily tell apart from busted cards (i.e. cards that have incredible potential when used right or that are waiting for that big boom, think Snake Rain).
It is imposible to separate regular TCG/OCG from customs unless you disallowed the cards from being in the same deck, generic cards, or even not so strict in-archetype cards can unexpectedly support other decks.
It would be ideal to have a Custom format, but the scope of the idea is just way to big and hard to manage, there's a reason most Custom Discord Servers don't succeed.
Additionally, having an "Authorized" custom format wouldn't be ideal. With the sheer amount of Customs that are uploaded each day, you cannot guarantee broken cards wouldn't slip the radar, and if they actually don't then you have extremely long queues just to get a couple of cards approved.
Don't take this as "I don't want this" I think this would be perfect for people who are pationate about customs like me, rocket, Parhelia or otherwise, but this suggestion is way to "utopic" to actually be do-able. If a couple servers struggle to keep a balanced format, I doubt a full-scale project like this would go any differently.[/quote:2jwqp6uk]
I figured as much that things would be going this way. I was right all along, custom card formats can never be balanced because of how everyone's making broken cards nowadays with different views of balance.

Well, looks like I won't be balancing my cards anytime soon...unfortunate that people have to make broken cards just to survive custom format, really.

This thread implies there is a format for the custom box in the same way as there is one for the advanced box. There is not.
This thread implies there is an objective balance of power level for said format, which given it doesn't exist, there isn't.
Duelingbook allows players to create their own cards, no limit to power, no concern about a banlist, etc.

So play with your friends, design your own format, maybe recreate an older format except with readable cards now that PSCT exists. You could use your customs to make a format as powerful as 2002, or one where FTKs hang at the edge using hand traps and potential unheard of defenses that would be too insane for the modern advanced format to consider but make sense, or might even be necessary for that given format because of the way its cardpool was made to work. Both could be perfectly healthy formats if designed properly, or utter garbage if not. Neither would make sense in the modern game because the cardpool is set to a different scale of power entirely.

Playing with random players with you using your own custom cards and them using theirs no knowledge of what the other person made is a fairly ludicrous concept if you expect there to be any semblance of balance. There would be no reason to expect any, because each player made their cardpool with no knowledge, and therefore no practical intentions, that would plausibly make their decks balance out with each other. Anytime it does happen is just an accident, it just happened to work out that way.

Context is a major part of card design. The exact same card can be excellent design in one cardpool and atrocious design in another. What a player makes for their customs cannot be set against the entire custom cardpool of the past and future. A format is made with a given cardpool, understood by the players using it for the given format. Players that adhere to the idea that custom cards can be played the same way as the advanced format and just jump in and play anyone have only themselves to blame, because unlike the Advanced Format, where players understand what cards are available and how new cards are introduced, no such system exists in the entirely of the custom cardpool, and there is no reason for it to. Customs are not a single format, but a setting under which many formats can be custom-made. After that, it's only as good as the players designing and playing it.

Inappropriate cards breaking the rules of DB are a matter for DB moderation. Report those things and move on.

I play multible custom formats, all with there own custom banlist.
sometimes you need to designe support for allready existing archtypes, since some cards of that archtype are banned by the custom banlist, to creat a healthyer format overall.

Of corse i dont know what you think would be a "balanced" format, but im pretty sure i would disagree with you here.
Thats another problem with balancing custom cards.
Who would know what cards are balanced or not?
-DB stuff?
-Players with 1500+ rating?

As Wek sayed:
Context is a major part of card designe.

It would be really sad to destroy some perfectly "balanced" and fair custom decks/archtypes/formats, just so someone could play randoms on DB.

See, these comments that others make regarding context make me wonder if custom card format was a mistake to begin with for DB. Part of me begins to wonder if we wouldn't have had to deal with people like CrystalMusic and Chaosprince had custom cards not been a thing in the first place.

I don't know, what do you guys think?

[quote="parhelia_0000":3brqrdk6]See, these comments that others make regarding context make me wonder if custom card format was a mistake to begin with for DB. Part of me begins to wonder if we wouldn't have had to deal with people like CrystalMusic and Chaosprince had custom cards not been a thing in the first place.

I don't know, what do you guys think?[/quote:3brqrdk6]
Custom Cards have always been a thing, even way before dB made them a thing. Now, toxicity has always been a thing in any comunity, and just because a couple toxic users banish from the community because their "gimmick" is gone, doesn't mean other users will appear to replace them.
I don't think Customs were a mistake, they allow for so much creativity and are such a powerful tool, both for casual/regular players looking for a fun time, aswell as for game card designers, this may be the first experience for lots of people in game design, it sure was mine.
In my personal experience, I would have never have come here to the forums or dB in general if it wasn't for custom cards and I consider this community to be really cool. Using the custom card functionality has been the most fun I have had in most websites in recent years, even if I never end up playing the game myself.

Realistically, all your suggestions are completely impractical.

Everyone has a different idea of "balance".

While yet it sucks that people still somehow don't know proper PSCT. You don't have to play against those players.

I understand what you want. Like me you want people make decent custom cards. But that is kinda impossible tbh. The staff would scan through thousands and thousands of customs cards that are created at each minute. That is just impossible. And if you put a bot to do it, how it would do that? It would must to have an selfconsience about OP and some people would think that it is unffer.
But the auto PSCT thing would be nice, if optional like
You just write "You can only"
Then appears options like
"You can only use each effect of "..." once per turn"
"You can only control 1 "...""
"You can only use each of the followings effects of "..." once per turn."
Etc
That would be nice
Sorry for the english, im brazilian

I made custom yugioh (and other TCGs) cards years before DB put this features into place.

Its so nice to test your cutom cards on DB before printing them out irl.
I also only come here to play and test custom cards with friends for over 2 years now

so pls just let me have fun with my friends playing our own cards.
If there would be a form of restriction on the custom card designe, it would almost make this feature useless to me, since i designe some wild stuff from time to time, to explore the boundries of this game, and my friends love it.

No

[quote="Renji Asuka":38gs0yu9]Realistically, all your suggestions are completely impractical.

Everyone has a different idea of "balance".

While yet it sucks that people still somehow don't know proper PSCT. You don't have to play against those players.[/quote:38gs0yu9]
You have to understand the logistics though. There's only so many times that one person can block people who refuse to learn PSCT, there's only so many times that you can try to avoid unfair players, and there's only so many times that one can ask other people not to make insta-win cards.

But I do agree, it's come to a point where balance no longer exists in the custom format that you have no other options but to make tier 0-level meta decks just to survive in that format.

[quote="The_Criator":38gs0yu9]I understand what you want. Like me you want people make decent custom cards. But that is kinda impossible tbh. The staff would scan through thousands and thousands of customs cards that are created at each minute. That is just impossible. And if you put a bot to do it, how it would do that? It would must to have an selfconsience about OP and some people would think that it is unffer.
But the auto PSCT thing would be nice, if optional like
You just write "You can only"
Then appears options like
"You can only use each effect of "..." once per turn"
"You can only control 1 "...""
"You can only use each of the followings effects of "..." once per turn."
Etc
That would be nice
Sorry for the english, im brazilian[/quote:38gs0yu9]

You know what I'd love to see as well? A pop-up screen that shows a warning if one tries to make insta-win cards or "unaffected by all other card effects" bullshit, which warns the custom card creator that their card can be seen as ridiculous by the rest of the DB community.

[quote="parhelia_0000":25fy1mpl][quote="Renji Asuka":25fy1mpl]Realistically, all your suggestions are completely impractical.

Everyone has a different idea of "balance".

While yet it sucks that people still somehow don't know proper PSCT. You don't have to play against those players.[/quote:25fy1mpl]
You have to understand the logistics though. There's only so many times that one person can block people who refuse to learn PSCT, there's only so many times that you can try to avoid unfair players, and there's only so many times that one can ask other people not to make insta-win cards.

But I do agree, it's come to a point where balance no longer exists in the custom format that you have no other options but to make tier 0-level meta decks just to survive in that format.

[quote="The_Criator":25fy1mpl]I understand what you want. Like me you want people make decent custom cards. But that is kinda impossible tbh. The staff would scan through thousands and thousands of customs cards that are created at each minute. That is just impossible. And if you put a bot to do it, how it would do that? It would must to have an selfconsience about OP and some people would think that it is unffer.
But the auto PSCT thing would be nice, if optional like
You just write "You can only"
Then appears options like
"You can only use each effect of "..." once per turn"
"You can only control 1 "...""
"You can only use each of the followings effects of "..." once per turn."
Etc
That would be nice
Sorry for the english, im brazilian[/quote:25fy1mpl]

You know what I'd love to see as well? A pop-up screen that shows a warning if one tries to make insta-win cards or "unaffected by all other card effects" bullshit, which warns the custom card creator that their card can be seen as ridiculous by the rest of the DB community.[/quote:25fy1mpl]

You keep talking about a nonsense format and then acting like it's somehow relevant to the nature of customs. You're causing your own problems on this. There is no "being competitive" or "surviving" that silliness. If players aren't using PSCT, don't play them. If players are playing troll cards, don't play them either. If you want to be another troll and use the very things you consider insanity, well fine, that's your problem. The people using customs properly don't need to care, because they won't have to deal with you or any of the other trolls of customs. They just ignore this make-believe format.

[quote="Wek":2zq0gjfz][quote="parhelia_0000":2zq0gjfz][quote="Renji Asuka":2zq0gjfz]Realistically, all your suggestions are completely impractical.

Everyone has a different idea of "balance".

While yet it sucks that people still somehow don't know proper PSCT. You don't have to play against those players.[/quote:2zq0gjfz]
You have to understand the logistics though. There's only so many times that one person can block people who refuse to learn PSCT, there's only so many times that you can try to avoid unfair players, and there's only so many times that one can ask other people not to make insta-win cards.

But I do agree, it's come to a point where balance no longer exists in the custom format that you have no other options but to make tier 0-level meta decks just to survive in that format.

[quote="The_Criator":2zq0gjfz]I understand what you want. Like me you want people make decent custom cards. But that is kinda impossible tbh. The staff would scan through thousands and thousands of customs cards that are created at each minute. That is just impossible. And if you put a bot to do it, how it would do that? It would must to have an selfconsience about OP and some people would think that it is unffer.
But the auto PSCT thing would be nice, if optional like
You just write "You can only"
Then appears options like
"You can only use each effect of "..." once per turn"
"You can only control 1 "...""
"You can only use each of the followings effects of "..." once per turn."
Etc
That would be nice
Sorry for the english, im brazilian[/quote:2zq0gjfz]

You know what I'd love to see as well? A pop-up screen that shows a warning if one tries to make insta-win cards or "unaffected by all other card effects" bullshit, which warns the custom card creator that their card can be seen as ridiculous by the rest of the DB community.[/quote:2zq0gjfz]

You keep talking about a nonsense format and then acting like it's somehow relevant to the nature of customs. You're causing your own problems on this. There is no "being competitive" or "surviving" that silliness. If players aren't using PSCT, don't play them. If players are playing troll cards, don't play them either. If you want to be another troll and use the very things you consider insanity, well fine, that's your problem. The people using customs properly don't need to care, because they won't have to deal with you or any of the other trolls of customs. They just ignore this make-believe format.[/quote:2zq0gjfz]
Alright, so fuck balance, let's just make insta-win cards that just basically say "Fuck you" to the opponent whenever we play customs.

This is a joke. I'm done.

>Customs
Bad.

While i agree, you can't police who does and does not get to make customs. You say the "logistics of blocking people who refuse to learn psct/balancing their cards is impossible" but youre suggesting we implement futuristic A.I.s and police custom cards which on top of being impossible, shows a level of distrust towards other custom card creators, and who gets to decide what is balanced?

While i agree, custom pools are being ruined by people who dont know how to make customs, we cant police it, what we should do is organize a review board with the larger custom communities to approve/deny cards by vote, if we can gain enough influence in the custom card community, soon everyone will either be playing approved cards, or not at all.

[quote="Levionia":ky4dkery]While i agree, you can't police who does and does not get to make customs. You say the "logistics of blocking people who refuse to learn psct/balancing their cards is impossible" but youre suggesting we implement futuristic A.I.s and police custom cards which on top of being impossible, shows a level of distrust towards other custom card creators, and who gets to decide what is balanced?

While i agree, custom pools are being ruined by people who dont know how to make customs, we cant police it, what we should do is organize a review board with the larger custom communities to approve/deny cards by vote, if we can gain enough influence in the custom card community, soon everyone will either be playing approved cards, or not at all.[/quote:ky4dkery]
Might be a good alternative, but I highly doubt we'll be garnering any influence for this in a positive way, given the fact that the custom card community has already been tarnished so badly...

[quote="parhelia_0000":12hf6sno][quote="Wek":12hf6sno][quote="parhelia_0000":12hf6sno]
You have to understand the logistics though. There's only so many times that one person can block people who refuse to learn PSCT, there's only so many times that you can try to avoid unfair players, and there's only so many times that one can ask other people not to make insta-win cards.

But I do agree, it's come to a point where balance no longer exists in the custom format that you have no other options but to make tier 0-level meta decks just to survive in that format.



You know what I'd love to see as well? A pop-up screen that shows a warning if one tries to make insta-win cards or "unaffected by all other card effects" bullshit, which warns the custom card creator that their card can be seen as ridiculous by the rest of the DB community.[/quote:12hf6sno]

You keep talking about a nonsense format and then acting like it's somehow relevant to the nature of customs. You're causing your own problems on this. There is no "being competitive" or "surviving" that silliness. If players aren't using PSCT, don't play them. If players are playing troll cards, don't play them either. If you want to be another troll and use the very things you consider insanity, well fine, that's your problem. The people using customs properly don't need to care, because they won't have to deal with you or any of the other trolls of customs. They just ignore this make-believe format.[/quote:12hf6sno]
Alright, so fuck balance, let's just make insta-win cards that just basically say "Fuck you" to the opponent whenever we play customs.

This is a joke. I'm done.[/quote:12hf6sno]

Well, if you want to troll, that's on you. If you're just trolling in customs, that's who you end up playing. If you don't use customs properly, you only have yourself to blame when it backfires on you.

[quote="Wek":344kqofq][quote="parhelia_0000":344kqofq][quote="Wek":344kqofq]

You keep talking about a nonsense format and then acting like it's somehow relevant to the nature of customs. You're causing your own problems on this. There is no "being competitive" or "surviving" that silliness. If players aren't using PSCT, don't play them. If players are playing troll cards, don't play them either. If you want to be another troll and use the very things you consider insanity, well fine, that's your problem. The people using customs properly don't need to care, because they won't have to deal with you or any of the other trolls of customs. They just ignore this make-believe format.[/quote:344kqofq]
Alright, so fuck balance, let's just make insta-win cards that just basically say "Fuck you" to the opponent whenever we play customs.

This is a joke. I'm done.[/quote:344kqofq]

Well, if you want to troll, that's on you. If you're just trolling in customs, that's who you end up playing. If you don't use customs properly, you only have yourself to blame when it backfires on you.[/quote:344kqofq]
So basically customs is all about getting trolled or trolling the opponents first. That's basically what you're talking about. You either become a troll, or you get trolled.

And people wonder why so many custom card format Discord servers have failed...

[quote="ominous":1xkt8ea4]>Customs
Bad.[/quote:1xkt8ea4]
Since you said customs bad, Translate "Hunted and Cat" into Czech

[quote="parhelia_0000":1y5zvitf][quote="Wek":1y5zvitf][quote="parhelia_0000":1y5zvitf]
Alright, so fuck balance, let's just make insta-win cards that just basically say "Fuck you" to the opponent whenever we play customs.

This is a joke. I'm done.[/quote:1y5zvitf]

Well, if you want to troll, that's on you. If you're just trolling in customs, that's who you end up playing. If you don't use customs properly, you only have yourself to blame when it backfires on you.[/quote:1y5zvitf]
So basically customs is all about getting trolled or trolling the opponents first. That's basically what you're talking about. You either become a troll, or you get trolled.

And people wonder why so many custom card format Discord servers have failed...[/quote:1y5zvitf]

Ah, well, if that's what you believe, no wonder you're having so much trouble in customs.
Just stop trolling and stop playing trolls. You're causing your own problems in customs and then wondering why you're having so much trouble with customs.

[quote="parhelia_0000":2jvmzr9z]I'm sure so many people are starting to get sick and tired of people who are making it impossible for us to create balanced custom cards without getting wrecked by random opponents who bring in overpowered decks. Unless you're always playing against a specific group of people, it's never gonna be possible for custom cards to be balanced.[/quote:2jvmzr9z]

Just because it isn't possible for the custom format to be perfectly balanced doesn't mean we can't and shouldn't still try to make our custom cards closer and closer to being balanced.

The way you get an idea of how balanced custom cards are is to start by looking at the current advanced format meta, the latest banlist, and what kinds of staples are being played at the moment, which is what Konami actually often does when deciding how to ban current cards and design new ones. If a card like Pot of Greed is banned because it's a free +1 and forces almost every deck out there to run it with little to no downside, then it should be clear that making a custom spell that says "Draw 3 cards" or "Draw 4 cards" is going to be a problem. If the current best deck in the meta (Swordsoul) is so good because it can consistently end on 2-3 negates/disruptions every turn, then it shouldn't be that hard to see why making a custom archetype that can, just as consistently, if not more consistently, end on 2 or 3 times that many negates/disruptions every turn would be a problem.

After getting that idea, you make appropriate changes, whether those changes are buffs, nerfs, or some combination of the two. Buffs can include, but aren't limited to, making cards/effects faster, stronger, less restrictive, able to do more powerful impactful things, and so on. Nerfs can include, but aren't limited to, making cards/effects slower, weaker, more restrictive, able to do less impactful things, and so on.

Also, some articles and even youtube videos explain why and how some cards and combos are "broken" if you want a better idea of what broken cards/combos look like. [url:2jvmzr9z]https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Broken[/url:2jvmzr9z]
[url:2jvmzr9z]https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Forum:Reasons_why_cards_are_Forbidden/Limited[/url:2jvmzr9z]
[url:2jvmzr9z]https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpAqSYsFkgvvQTxYhPUkmXQCD5I_sFRZR[/url:2jvmzr9z]

That is, unless the DB staff team implements a system to put a stop to these stupid custom cards, once and for all.

Yes, I know I do tend to make meta-based archetypes; however, it's not without reason. You guys have to understand that I build custom decks while taking into account the possibility that I may have to deal with that random custom card player who brings in a deck that just cannot be negated in any ways possible. You can only block those people so many times to the point where it becomes difficult to find people to play custom cards against, and there's only so many times that one can ask the opponent to bring balanced custom cards, only to get scammed with an OP board.

The main reason it may be starting to get difficult for you to find people to play customs against is because, just like how so many people have grown tired of the users CrystalMusic and Chaosprince with broken cards, and have made it a habit to specifically avoid those users when possible, more and more people are making it a habit to avoid you in the custom card pool due to your intentionally broken cards. You're not entirely at fault, as you've had to block people who had broken customs of their own and used them to mess things up for you, but you're also contributing to that very problem by making your own customs broken and causing others to want to block you as well. You keep saying the reason you feel the need to make your cards broken is because you keep running into others who make their customs broken, but if you've already been avoiding those people anyways by default, there's really no need for you to power up your customs in the hopes of beating them, since you aren't going to be dueling them anyway, since you're going to be naturally avoiding them to begin with. It's like how when someone brings banned cards, or cards that are in every way better than some of the banned cards, into customs. There's no need to go powering up your customs in the hopes of beating that person.

Futuregamer explained this in his guide, saying, and I quote:
"Accepting that there will be idiots, loads of idiots. There is no point in arguing with them, simply quit the duel on the spot, let them think about what they did wrong after the misery starts settling in. If your opponent plays “Pot of Greed” or something similarly unreasonable, there is no takeaway from the duel, it simply doesn’t count, DON’T start powering up your Deck in the hopes that you will be beating “that” idiot, that’s how you will become an idiot yourself."

While his specific use of the word "idiot" may have been uncalled for, there is truth to what he's saying. If you have a problem with any certain opponent who played cards that are banned, upgrades of banned cards, or something crazy like that, you shouldn't rely on that kind of duel to determine how to adjust your own cards or else you'll only end up contributing to the problem. You shouldn't, and don't need to, contribute to the toxicity by making things even more toxic yourself by making your cards intentionally overpowered just because you ran into someone that made theirs overpowered, or else you're only spreading the toxicity further.

As long as an automated system is not put in place, we'll always have to put up with players like CrystalMusic and Chaosprince who ruin the custom card format for the rest of us, forcing people like me to build decks with tier 0 meta in mind just to have a chance at beating them.

The issue with this mindset of yours, though, is that this is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If the custom format has, say, 50 people in it, 48 of which try to balance their customs, and the remaining 2 people are CrystalMusic, Chaosprince, or whatever other user(s) that comes to mind who doesn't at all care about any kind of balance, and those 2 go in and each duel 4 people, and then all 8 of those people power up their customs to now be broken hoping to now stand a chance against those 2 users who originally started with broken customs, you now have 10 users in total, with broken customs (the first 2 being the original 2 users with the broken customs, and the remaining 8 being the users who have now adopted this mindset you have of "I need to make my customs tier 0-like so I can stand a chance if I run into those CrystalMusic/Chaosprince users again").

Afterwards, if all 10 of these people each duel 4 more people and win with the broken custom cards, you now have 40 people who, with that same mindset you have, feel like they too have to now make their custom cards broken as well just so they'll stand a chance against those 8 people, who made broken customs just to stand a chance against the original 2 people that had broken customs, meaning you now have all 50 of these people ruining the format with broken customs simply because 2 people originally came with broken customs.

That's the self-fulfilling prophecy. Player 1 (whether it's CrystalMusic, Chaosprince, or whoever) starts this whole chain of events by bringing broken customs, duels Player 2 who initially had balanced customs, Player 2 now feels the need to make his customs broken as well so he can stand a chance against Player 1, Player 2 makes his customs broken as a result, Players 1 and 2 go and duel Players 3 through 10 and easily beat them because of such broken customs, now Players 3 through 10 feel the need to make their previously-balanced customs broken as well so they can stand a chance against Players 1 and 2, then all 8 of these Players (Players 3 through 10) go and user their now-broken customs against Players 11 through 50, and now Players 11 through 50 make their customs broken as well, now hoping they'll stand a chance against Players 1 through 10.

See what happened there? Those 50 players went from just 1 or 2 of them having broken customs to all 50 of them now having broken customs because of that self-fulfilling prophecy, and this is what you might be experiencing and promoting in customs now. Maybe you didn't start the problem, but you're contributing to it by first making broken customs, then dueling people, who put more effort into balancing theirs, while refusing to try balancing your own, possibly causing those people you dueled to now feel like they need to make their customs as broken as yours now, if not more broken. Then they duel more people who then go on to make their customs broken as well hoping to beat the people who make their customs broken because they were hoping to beat you who made yours broken, and the cycle continues. That's the problem with that current mindset of yours and how it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

In order to put a stop to this, here's my suggestion as follows. I will only agree to balance my cards and re-release them as tamed tier 1 decks, only if the following conditions are met:

See, this right here, what you're saying, tells me a lot. It tells me that you know, deep down, that while you like making your archetypes able to "rival" the current tier 1 meta decks such as Swordsoul, you've went overboard with some of these custom archetypes of yours and made them far surpass those aforementioned meta decks instead of simply "rivaling" them like you originally wanted. I can see that there's still some part of you that wants to reduce the strength of some of those archetypes of yours so they're tier 1 or 1.5 or so, instead of tier 0, but you feel like you can't because it's (somehow) entirely the fault of those other users out there who broke their customs.
However, what if those other users feel the same way about you? Have you thought about that? If you won't agree to balance your customs because person A refuses to balance his, but person A is refusing to balance his, only because person B is refusing to balance hers, but person B is refusing to balance hers, only because you're refusing to balance yours, you should take the initiative and start by balancing yours, instead of waiting on persons A or B to balance theirs, so that way, you'll inspire those others to finally follow in your footsteps trying to balance theirs.

The current mindset of yours, that your customs have to be broken because some other people made theirs broken, can be shifted towards the opposite. Yes, 1 person with broken customs can, as I've just explained earlier, start a chain of events that lead to many other people deciding that they need to break their customs too just to "survive," whatever that even means, and you've gotten yourself caught in this chain of events.

However, what you seem to have not yet realized is: The opposite is also true, meaning that, just like how a single person with broken customs can create a negative chain of events that lead to many other people breaking their customs as well, a single person with more balanced customs can create a positive chain of events that lead to many other people trying balancing their customs.

In other words, if you have 50 people, and Player 1 is the only one among them with well-designed and balanced customs, while Players 2 through 50 have broken customs, Player 1 can duel Player 2 and explain to them how to better balance their customs, Player 2 can apply some of those suggested changes, then the 2 of them can duel Players 3 through 10 and explain to those players how to better balance their customs so those Players (3 through 10) get encouraged to balance their customs as well, and then, after Players 3 through 10 apply the suggested changes, all 10 of those players (Players 1 through 10) can duel Players 11 through 50, further spreading that awareness on how to better balance customs, leading to potentially even more people better balancing their customs. In other words, the cure to the toxicity (people trying to balance their own customs and encouraging each other to do the same) can be spread, just like how the toxicity itself (people making broken customs and dueling with them causing others to end up feeling the need to make to break their customs overpowered as well just so they could stand a chance in the format) can be spread, so the best way to fight the spread of that toxicity it to counteract it by spreading that cure to said toxicity, not by ignoring the cure and instead just contributing further to that toxicity itself. Yes, you'll still have some of those people like CrystalMusic and Chaosprince who'll ignore the cure, but if so, that's on them. There are far more people out there (including myself) in my opinion that are willing to learn at least a little, and accept at least some criticism, than there are people unwilling to learn any problem-solving card text or accept any criticism, even if it may not seem that way to you.

1. Implement a way to either enforce proper PSCT (by using automated pre-fill responses to force people to follow the proper PSCT and having a word count limit per card), or hand-pick mods who are qualified to check the PSCT of such cards. My hope is that by doing so, we won't have to teach people how to write PSCT as the automated system will force people to do it the right way, and beginners can't make mistakes.
2. Auto-delete/purge custom cards that resemble any of the following (Initiate a full purge of custom cards if you must. I'm willing to remake my custom cards from scratch if it means ensuring that these cards never come back into the custom card pool ever again.):
-Remakes of TCG/OCG cards, and/or anime cards (either by artwork, name, effect description, etc.) - These types of cards are what ruin character duels for me in custom duels.
-Insta-win/"unaffected by all other card effects" cards that are way too cheap to use. If it becomes obvious that you don't have to work so hard for an insta-win card, then those cards have no business being in the custom card pool
-Troll/meme cards that contain effects that do not relate to the duel whatsoever. I've dealt with this at one point where someone made a card that turns the opposing player into a femboy. Seriously, WTF? Need proof? Watch this replay: [url:2jvmzr9z]https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=37528-35955870[/url:2jvmzr9z]
-"At the start of the Duel" cards. Nobody wants to read effects that apply at the start of the duel. (Yes, CrystalMusic, I'm talking about you!) Same applies to the "Annoying Dog" cards - once the stupid cards are purged from the system, there will no longer be a need (hopefully) for anyone to compromise on extra deck space JUST to use these cards.

Others have already explained in this thread why these suggestions aren't practical and wouldn't work, but I want to add that we already have character "count limits". It was 1000 characters at first, but eventually went up to 2000 characters, letting you have more room for text on your customs' effects, as 1000 characters was proving to be too limiting. Multiple guides, both official and fan made, also already covered the basics on how to apply problem-solving card text to custom cards.

3. Expand enforcement of banning inappropriate custom cards to private custom cards as well. There used to be a player in the custom card pool who used a bunch of custom cards containing pictures that showed men who held real-life firearms. I'm not sure if this person continues to play custom cards, but if yes, then this is a major cause for concern because it means that players have a way to circumvent the rules in order to continue creating inappropriate custom cards while retaining their ability to create custom cards. By expanding this rule to private cards as well, we're effectively closing off any and all potential loopholes for people to utilize in order to make inappropriate custom cards.

While I disagree that an image of someone wielding specifically a gun is "inappropriate" (as plenty of official TCG monsters such as Quickdraw Synchron show pistols and whatnot in their artworks), I agree that the ability to make custom cards private so others can't search for them is completely unnecessary and allows rule-breakers on this site to have an easier time concealing their actual inappropriate customs.

Yes, I know custom cards are not considered official TCG or OCG formats; however, that doesn't mean that these cards should be allowed to just rampage the entire format and make custom card creators like myself look bad.

Ultimately, however, the choice is yours. We could spend the rest of our custom card hobby making tier 0 decks just to be able to survive the toxic format that'll never be balanced, OR we could go the "push comes to shove" route and start cracking down on this to put an end to these ridiculous custom cards.

Well, looks like I won't be balancing my cards anytime soon...unfortunate that people have to make broken cards just to survive custom format, really.

I don't know what "survive" is supposed to mean here or why you keep using that word, and as Wek pointed out, there is no "surviving that silliness". Customs are meant to be fun, not a means of survival. This isn't the wilderness. This isn't the apocalypse. This is the custom section of a yugioh simulator. The only format where you do think about "survival" of any kind is advanced format, because in that format, rating and exp are on the line.

I figured as much that things would be going this way. I was right all along, custom card formats can never be balanced because of how everyone's making broken cards nowadays with different views of balance.

If making your cards more balanced is too hard for you to figure out how to do at the moment, then try focusing on interactivity instead for now. Start by trying to make your archetype more interactive, allowing more back and forth interaction with the opponent.

What do I mean by this? Well, let's take your "Yautja" archetype for instance. [url:2jvmzr9z]https://forum.duelingbook.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=20090[/url:2jvmzr9z]

So the first card listed is a monster that can easily bring out a Rank 8 but then also gives that Rank 8 an effect similar to that of Archnemeses Protos, but permanent, where if you call the correct attribute you get a one-sided effect similar to Skill Drain or True King of All Calamities but lasts until the Rank 8 in question is dealt with instead of just for a turn or so, but your archetype's Rank 8s already have high atk/def and tons of protection for no good reason — cannot be targeted, cannot be destroyed by battle or effects, cannot be tributed, cannot be used as fusion/link material except for beast-warriors, etc — making them able to easily lock the opponent out of using monster effects while being impossible for the opponent to deal with, and on top of that, Eternity of the Yautja protects that Rank 8 from all the opponent's effects, so a monster is locking the opponent out of using their monsters effects while at the same time having so many protections that it's impossible to get rid of, but then you even gave them additional quick effects of their own where you can detach a material for an omni-negate, send all non-beast-warrior monsters to the graveyard and prevent their effects from activating in the graveyard for the rest of the turn, change all the opponent's face-up monsters to face-down defense position at once, etc. That's stronger than all of the current meta decks (like Swordsoul) by too much.

Then you have a generic continuous trap (Despair of the Yautja) that negates a monster's effects, prevents it's effects from activating, prevents it from being tributed or used as material for anything, prevents it from attacking, lowers it's atk, and prevents any other copies of it from being summoned or activating their effects. On top of that, it can reset itself from the graveyard, and give itself protection from both targeting and destruction just for you controlling a beast-warrior. It has pretty much the benefits of Fiendish Chain, Called by the Grave, Crossout Designator, Gnomaterial, and Spellbinding Circle combined, with hardly any of the downsides.

Finally, you once again make an effect (Arrival of the Yautja) that reveals cards but makes the opponent pick 1 at random instead of just letting them pick normally.

To make your archetype more interactive, start by removing the attribute lock from that aforementioned monster's effect. Having so many protections and powerful quick effects on those easy to summon Rank 8s is already overdoing it. The least you could do is let the opponent have a chance to use some of their own monster effects.

That continuous trap could just be deleted since other continuous traps do similar things but aren't as broken, like Fiendish Chain, Phantom Knights' Fog Blade, and Crackdown.

Arrival of the Yautja should let the opponent see what they're picking instead of making it random.

These changes will promote more healthy interaction while still keeping your archetype strong and able to go toe to toe with Swordsoul and the other current meta decks like you want it to.

I saw this replay you shared in the replay thread: [url:2jvmzr9z]https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=37528-35975659[/url:2jvmzr9z]

In the replay, the first thing said was "gl hf" which means "good luck, have fun," and you responded with "u2" meaning "You too". Yet, after this, you proceed to make such an unfun board turn 1 that disallows so much interaction as it consists of a 3200 atk monster with protection from basically everything thanks to it's effects and your trap, as well as a quick effect board wipe and an effect that locks your opponent into 1 monster effect per turn, and the ability to revive monsters on top of all that, generate more free advantage should the opponent manage to somehow out it.

What's worse is, you make it not just unfun for your opponents, but unfun for your teamate as well, as your effects also lock them out of playing their monsters. You're essentially treating the tag duel like a 1v1, with your teamate being more of a spectator or something instead of an actual teamate, meaning, instead of trying to combine the power of your cards with the power of your teamate's to beat the team of opponent's who are also trying to combine their cards to beat yours, like how tag duels should go, you cling to the mindset of "I had to make this effect specifically to deal with partners to force them to play my way or the highway" and whatnot, with the excuse being "I've dealt with partners who fucked me up so badly," and you still somehow couldn't grasp why that's overpowered, still convinced [10:22] "YOU CAN EASILY BREAK THIS BOARD!"??

Teamates want to be able to play their cards too, not just yours, and if you got paired up with a teamate who you feel would screw you over, you ask them not to, or communicate with them on how they can make the most optimal play with your cards or something so they're less likely to screw things up for you.

Sure, just winning alone without any kind of interaction might be exciting at first for a while, but who says fun can only come at the cost of disallowing as much interaction as possible from both opponents and teamates, especially when there aren't any ratings or exp on the line like in advanced format? It's more fun to win through healthy interaction with the opponent than through disallowing as much interaction as possible. By seeking fun in winning only through the latter, that "fun" you get from winning that way won't last. It'll get old quickly and you'll get bored of it, building up tolerance to it so it no longer feels as exciting, stimulating, or rewarding, just like how CrystalMusic doesn't seem to appear on this platform anymore due to him getting too bored from all the easy free wins he got thanks to his broken customs, and just like how taking the same addictive drug over and over causes it to feel less exciting, and less stimulating, each time. [url:2jvmzr9z]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_tolerance[/url:2jvmzr9z]

On the other hand, by seeking fun in winning by allowing more interaction from the opponent, that kind of fun will last without you getting bored as quickly. Your teamate in that duel wasn't having fun, because they felt like they were being given a free win without any effort, and the opponents weren't having any fun, because they were instead frustrated at how much interaction your cards were disallowing. Those 3 players (that teamate of yours, and those 2 opponents) are proof that winning is just as fun, if not more fun, when you win while players got to play their cards and interact, as opposed to when 1 player makes an unbreakable turn 1 board that locks all the other 3 players out of playing.

Your mindset, that fun is only possible by disallowing all interaction from both opponents and teamates so that you always win due to uninteractive and broken cards, is unsustainable. You won't get that many more chances to "win" at anything, or have any more "fun," if too many people realize that you have no intention of ever balancing your cards and have decided to block you and make it a habit to instinctively avoid you the way they instinctively avoid Chaosprince, or if the "high" you get from the super easy effortless wins (from disallowing interaction so much) is no longer felt as you build tolerance to it (whichever comes first), nor will you get any more chances to have any more fun in tag duels if teamates are also getting too frustrated with you, just like how CrystalMusic hasn't bothered coming on this site in over a month now, most likely due to him not being able to find any more games since so many players have naturally begun avoiding/blocking him due to his broken customs and ridiculous made-up "rules".

This is why it makes little sense to keep trying to "plan" for these specific kinds of users as opposed to just helping them learn by spreading that "cure" I talked about. Those players will either learn and improve and start balancing their customs, or lose interest and possibly end up leaving the custom format as people keep quitting, and if they don't do either of these, you can continue avoiding them (which you said you would already do) instead of stooping to their level and joining them in making broken uninteractive stuff. I also wouldn't assume right away that we're always going to have to keep dealing with people like CrystalMusic because I've never seen any other user like him. I see users with broken cards like his, yes, but not anyone with the ridiculous rules like his, or a complete unwillingness to even learn any problem-solving card text or anything. Maybe in a few months from now, that might change, and we may really see some sort of CrystalMusic 2.0 show up, but until then, I wouldn't let myself get too paranoid about that, and I would instead just keep trying to balance my customs, encourage those who are willing to listen to keep trying to balance theirs, and encourage them to encourage even more other people to do the same so we have more and more people trying to balance their customs overall instead of making customs broken hoping beat that 1 CrystalMusic-like player or something who they're unlikely to run into anyways to begin with.

It's true that the format can't be perfectly balanced, but, instead of just giving up completely on balance right away because of that, you can still make your cards as close to being balanced as you can, just like how we can't be perfect human beings but can still be as close to perfect as we can. If balance and perfection aren't possible to achieve, then seek out the next best thing which is being as close to these things as you can. In this case, this would be doing what you said earlier which is "re-releasing your archetypes as tamed tier 1 decks". Sure, it still won't be perfectly balanced, and still would do well against those current TCG meta decks like Swordsoul, but it will still be so much better than just completely giving up on trying to balance anything at all, especially if you do what I specifically suggested and make those changes I mentioned so your archetype will at least be more interactive.

You know what I'd love to see as well? A pop-up screen that shows a warning if one tries to make insta-win cards or "unaffected by all other card effects" bullshit, which warns the custom card creator that their card can be seen as ridiculous by the rest of the DB community.

That's what duel notes are for. That's what guides like this are for: [url:2jvmzr9z]https://futuregamer-yugioh.blogspot.com/2020/09/the-pros-guide-to-custom-cards-create.html[/url:2jvmzr9z]

You don't have to continue being a part of the chain of events I talked about earlier — the one that only leads to more and more people making broken and uninteractive customs, and you shouldn't. Instead, you can, and should, be what I've been being — a part of the positive chain of events that leads to more and more people trying to better balance their customs.

Alright, so fuck balance, let's just make insta-win cards that just basically say "Fuck you" to the opponent whenever we play customs.

This is a joke. I'm done.

No, I don't think you're completely "done" with trying to balance your cards, at least not yet. I think that, while you and I can't perfectly balance cards, you still, deep down, want to do the next best thing which is making your cards closer to being balanced. If you truly were "done" here, you wouldn't have even mentioned the possibility of you "balancing your cards and re-releasing them as tamed tier 1 decks" and you most likely wouldn't have even bothered sharing that Yautja archetype on this forum asking for feedback and whatnot. People like Rocket2 may have hurt your faith in the custom card community, but they haven't yet destroyed it, otherwise you wouldn't be back here on this forum trying to come up with these suggestions and continuing to share these archetypes, as it would be a waste of time for you to do so if you truly have lost all faith in us and in the custom format.

People can end up with different and standards of balance. That much is true, but what's also true is that these different standards can sometimes overlap, meaning that I may consider card A to be broken that you consider to be fine, you consider card B to be broken that I consider to be fine, but then we both agree that card C is broken while card D is fine, and so on. That's what I mean by how standards can sometimes overlap, so what you can do is start with your own current standard of balance, start with examining the current advanced format meta like the Swordsouls and whatnot to get an idea of what's currently balanced, start with the latest banlist to get an idea of what isn't balanced, and go from there. You're aware by this point that you made your archetypes to be tier 0-ish and far superior than the those meta decks like Swordsoul, so if "balancing" those archetypes of yours would mean bringing things down a bit by making them more like "tamed tier 1 decks" as you mentioned earlier, and even cutting down on the "unaffecteds/un-targetables/un-tributables" and so on, while also removing some of the randomness in those "reveal 3 X cards from your deck" effects, and the amount of "Your opponent cannot do X and that targeted monster cannot be used for Y and Z" lockouts in your traps, to promote more healthy interaction, then do just that, so other people who also have broken customs will hopefully be encouraged to follow in your footsteps, instead of waiting for someone else to balance their customs so you can follow in their footsteps. Take the initiative by trying to balance your customs regardless of whether not the so-called "conditions" you listed at the start of this thread get met, and start that positive chain of events that will lead to more and more people trying to balance their customs, instead of remaining trapped in the negative chain of events that lead to even more and more broken and uninteractive customs messing up the format.

[quote="Genexwrecker":2jvmzr9z]No[/quote:2jvmzr9z]

Genexwrecker, parhelia_0000 mentioned earlier how the ability to make custom cards private should be removed so users can no longer make inappropriate/nude custom cards and hide them from being reported to the admins, and I agree with this kind of change, as right now, I don't see what's stopped illegal images like child pornography from being uploaded to this site and being set to private so they're hidden from being seen and reported.

Ill see about the private thing.

[quote="Christen57":199vphwp][quote="parhelia_0000":199vphwp]I'm sure so many people are starting to get sick and tired of people who are making it impossible for us to create balanced custom cards without getting wrecked by random opponents who bring in overpowered decks. Unless you're always playing against a specific group of people, it's never gonna be possible for custom cards to be balanced.[/quote:199vphwp]

Just because it isn't possible for the custom format to be perfectly balanced doesn't mean we can't and shouldn't still try to make our custom cards closer and closer to being balanced.

The way you get an idea of how balanced custom cards are is to start by looking at the current advanced format meta, the latest banlist, and what kinds of staples are being played at the moment, which is what Konami actually often does when deciding how to ban current cards and design new ones. If a card like Pot of Greed is banned because it's a free +1 and forces almost every deck out there to run it with little to no downside, then it should be clear that making a custom spell that says "Draw 3 cards" or "Draw 4 cards" is going to be a problem. If the current best deck in the meta (Swordsoul) is so good because it can consistently end on 2-3 negates/disruptions every turn, then it shouldn't be that hard to see why making a custom archetype that can, just as consistently, if not more consistently, end on 2 or 3 times that many negates/disruptions every turn would be a problem.

After getting that idea, you make appropriate changes, whether those changes are buffs, nerfs, or some combination of the two. Buffs can include, but aren't limited to, making cards/effects faster, stronger, less restrictive, able to do more powerful impactful things, and so on. Nerfs can include, but aren't limited to, making cards/effects slower, weaker, more restrictive, able to do less impactful things, and so on.

Also, some articles and even youtube videos explain why and how some cards and combos are "broken" if you want a better idea of what broken cards/combos look like. [url:199vphwp]https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Broken[/url:199vphwp]
[url:199vphwp]https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Forum:Reasons_why_cards_are_Forbidden/Limited[/url:199vphwp]
[url:199vphwp]https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpAqSYsFkgvvQTxYhPUkmXQCD5I_sFRZR[/url:199vphwp]

That is, unless the DB staff team implements a system to put a stop to these stupid custom cards, once and for all.

Yes, I know I do tend to make meta-based archetypes; however, it's not without reason. You guys have to understand that I build custom decks while taking into account the possibility that I may have to deal with that random custom card player who brings in a deck that just cannot be negated in any ways possible. You can only block those people so many times to the point where it becomes difficult to find people to play custom cards against, and there's only so many times that one can ask the opponent to bring balanced custom cards, only to get scammed with an OP board.

The main reason it may be starting to get difficult for you to find people to play customs against is because, just like how so many people have grown tired of the users CrystalMusic and Chaosprince with broken cards, and have made it a habit to specifically avoid those users when possible, more and more people are making it a habit to avoid you in the custom card pool due to your intentionally broken cards. You're not entirely at fault, as you've had to block people who had broken customs of their own and used them to mess things up for you, but you're also contributing to that very problem by making your own customs broken and causing others to want to block you as well. You keep saying the reason you feel the need to make your cards broken is because you keep running into others who make their customs broken, but if you've already been avoiding those people anyways by default, there's really no need for you to power up your customs in the hopes of beating them, since you aren't going to be dueling them anyway, since you're going to be naturally avoiding them to begin with. It's like how when someone brings banned cards, or cards that are in every way better than some of the banned cards, into customs. There's no need to go powering up your customs in the hopes of beating that person.

Futuregamer explained this in his guide, saying, and I quote:
"Accepting that there will be idiots, loads of idiots. There is no point in arguing with them, simply quit the duel on the spot, let them think about what they did wrong after the misery starts settling in. If your opponent plays “Pot of Greed” or something similarly unreasonable, there is no takeaway from the duel, it simply doesn’t count, DON’T start powering up your Deck in the hopes that you will be beating “that” idiot, that’s how you will become an idiot yourself."

While his specific use of the word "idiot" may have been uncalled for, there is truth to what he's saying. If you have a problem with any certain opponent who played cards that are banned, upgrades of banned cards, or something crazy like that, you shouldn't rely on that kind of duel to determine how to adjust your own cards or else you'll only end up contributing to the problem. You shouldn't, and don't need to, contribute to the toxicity by making things even more toxic yourself by making your cards intentionally overpowered just because you ran into someone that made theirs overpowered, or else you're only spreading the toxicity further.

As long as an automated system is not put in place, we'll always have to put up with players like CrystalMusic and Chaosprince who ruin the custom card format for the rest of us, forcing people like me to build decks with tier 0 meta in mind just to have a chance at beating them.

The issue with this mindset of yours, though, is that this is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If the custom format has, say, 50 people in it, 48 of which try to balance their customs, and the remaining 2 people are CrystalMusic, Chaosprince, or whatever other user(s) that comes to mind who doesn't at all care about any kind of balance, and those 2 go in and each duel 4 people, and then all 8 of those people power up their customs to now be broken hoping to now stand a chance against those 2 users who originally started with broken customs, you now have 10 users in total, with broken customs (the first 2 being the original 2 users with the broken customs, and the remaining 8 being the users who have now adopted this mindset you have of "I need to make my customs tier 0-like so I can stand a chance if I run into those CrystalMusic/Chaosprince users again").

Afterwards, if all 10 of these people each duel 4 more people and win with the broken custom cards, you now have 40 people who, with that same mindset you have, feel like they too have to now make their custom cards broken as well just so they'll stand a chance against those 8 people, who made broken customs just to stand a chance against the original 2 people that had broken customs, meaning you now have all 50 of these people ruining the format with broken customs simply because 2 people originally came with broken customs.

That's the self-fulfilling prophecy. Player 1 (whether it's CrystalMusic, Chaosprince, or whoever) starts this whole chain of events by bringing broken customs, duels Player 2 who initially had balanced customs, Player 2 now feels the need to make his customs broken as well so he can stand a chance against Player 1, Player 2 makes his customs broken as a result, Players 1 and 2 go and duel Players 3 through 10 and easily beat them because of such broken customs, now Players 3 through 10 feel the need to make their previously-balanced customs broken as well so they can stand a chance against Players 1 and 2, then all 8 of these Players (Players 3 through 10) go and user their now-broken customs against Players 11 through 50, and now Players 11 through 50 make their customs broken as well, now hoping they'll stand a chance against Players 1 through 10.

See what happened there? Those 50 players went from just 1 or 2 of them having broken customs to all 50 of them now having broken customs because of that self-fulfilling prophecy, and this is what you might be experiencing and promoting in customs now. Maybe you didn't start the problem, but you're contributing to it by first making broken customs, then dueling people, who put more effort into balancing theirs, while refusing to try balancing your own, possibly causing those people you dueled to now feel like they need to make their customs as broken as yours now, if not more broken. Then they duel more people who then go on to make their customs broken as well hoping to beat the people who make their customs broken because they were hoping to beat you who made yours broken, and the cycle continues. That's the problem with that current mindset of yours and how it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

In order to put a stop to this, here's my suggestion as follows. I will only agree to balance my cards and re-release them as tamed tier 1 decks, only if the following conditions are met:

See, this right here, what you're saying, tells me a lot. It tells me that you know, deep down, that while you like making your archetypes able to "rival" the current tier 1 meta decks such as Swordsoul, you've went overboard with some of these custom archetypes of yours and made them far surpass those aforementioned meta decks instead of simply "rivaling" them like you originally wanted. I can see that there's still some part of you that wants to reduce the strength of some of those archetypes of yours so they're tier 1 or 1.5 or so, instead of tier 0, but you feel like you can't because it's (somehow) entirely the fault of those other users out there who broke their customs.
However, what if those other users feel the same way about you? Have you thought about that? If you won't agree to balance your customs because person A refuses to balance his, but person A is refusing to balance his, only because person B is refusing to balance hers, but person B is refusing to balance hers, only because you're refusing to balance yours, you should take the initiative and start by balancing yours, instead of waiting on persons A or B to balance theirs, so that way, you'll inspire those others to finally follow in your footsteps trying to balance theirs.

The current mindset of yours, that your customs have to be broken because some other people made theirs broken, can be shifted towards the opposite. Yes, 1 person with broken customs can, as I've just explained earlier, start a chain of events that lead to many other people deciding that they need to break their customs too just to "survive," whatever that even means, and you've gotten yourself caught in this chain of events.

However, what you seem to have not yet realized is: The opposite is also true, meaning that, just like how a single person with broken customs can create a negative chain of events that lead to many other people breaking their customs as well, a single person with more balanced customs can create a positive chain of events that lead to many other people trying balancing their customs.

In other words, if you have 50 people, and Player 1 is the only one among them with well-designed and balanced customs, while Players 2 through 50 have broken customs, Player 1 can duel Player 2 and explain to them how to better balance their customs, Player 2 can apply some of those suggested changes, then the 2 of them can duel Players 3 through 10 and explain to those players how to better balance their customs so those Players (3 through 10) get encouraged to balance their customs as well, and then, after Players 3 through 10 apply the suggested changes, all 10 of those players (Players 1 through 10) can duel Players 11 through 50, further spreading that awareness on how to better balance customs, leading to potentially even more people better balancing their customs. In other words, the cure to the toxicity (people trying to balance their own customs and encouraging each other to do the same) can be spread, just like how the toxicity itself (people making broken customs and dueling with them causing others to end up feeling the need to make to break their customs overpowered as well just so they could stand a chance in the format) can be spread, so the best way to fight the spread of that toxicity it to counteract it by spreading that cure to said toxicity, not by ignoring the cure and instead just contributing further to that toxicity itself. Yes, you'll still have some of those people like CrystalMusic and Chaosprince who'll ignore the cure, but if so, that's on them. There are far more people out there (including myself) in my opinion that are willing to learn at least a little, and accept at least some criticism, than there are people unwilling to learn any problem-solving card text or accept any criticism, even if it may not seem that way to you.

1. Implement a way to either enforce proper PSCT (by using automated pre-fill responses to force people to follow the proper PSCT and having a word count limit per card), or hand-pick mods who are qualified to check the PSCT of such cards. My hope is that by doing so, we won't have to teach people how to write PSCT as the automated system will force people to do it the right way, and beginners can't make mistakes.
2. Auto-delete/purge custom cards that resemble any of the following (Initiate a full purge of custom cards if you must. I'm willing to remake my custom cards from scratch if it means ensuring that these cards never come back into the custom card pool ever again.):
-Remakes of TCG/OCG cards, and/or anime cards (either by artwork, name, effect description, etc.) - These types of cards are what ruin character duels for me in custom duels.
-Insta-win/"unaffected by all other card effects" cards that are way too cheap to use. If it becomes obvious that you don't have to work so hard for an insta-win card, then those cards have no business being in the custom card pool
-Troll/meme cards that contain effects that do not relate to the duel whatsoever. I've dealt with this at one point where someone made a card that turns the opposing player into a femboy. Seriously, WTF? Need proof? Watch this replay: [url:199vphwp]https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=37528-35955870[/url:199vphwp]
-"At the start of the Duel" cards. Nobody wants to read effects that apply at the start of the duel. (Yes, CrystalMusic, I'm talking about you!) Same applies to the "Annoying Dog" cards - once the stupid cards are purged from the system, there will no longer be a need (hopefully) for anyone to compromise on extra deck space JUST to use these cards.

Others have already explained in this thread why these suggestions aren't practical and wouldn't work, but I want to add that we already have character "count limits". It was 1000 characters at first, but eventually went up to 2000 characters, letting you have more room for text on your customs' effects, as 1000 characters was proving to be too limiting. Multiple guides, both official and fan made, also already covered the basics on how to apply problem-solving card text to custom cards.

3. Expand enforcement of banning inappropriate custom cards to private custom cards as well. There used to be a player in the custom card pool who used a bunch of custom cards containing pictures that showed men who held real-life firearms. I'm not sure if this person continues to play custom cards, but if yes, then this is a major cause for concern because it means that players have a way to circumvent the rules in order to continue creating inappropriate custom cards while retaining their ability to create custom cards. By expanding this rule to private cards as well, we're effectively closing off any and all potential loopholes for people to utilize in order to make inappropriate custom cards.

While I disagree that an image of someone wielding specifically a gun is "inappropriate" (as plenty of official TCG monsters such as Quickdraw Synchron show pistols and whatnot in their artworks), I agree that the ability to make custom cards private so others can't search for them is completely unnecessary and allows rule-breakers on this site to have an easier time concealing their actual inappropriate customs.

Yes, I know custom cards are not considered official TCG or OCG formats; however, that doesn't mean that these cards should be allowed to just rampage the entire format and make custom card creators like myself look bad.

Ultimately, however, the choice is yours. We could spend the rest of our custom card hobby making tier 0 decks just to be able to survive the toxic format that'll never be balanced, OR we could go the "push comes to shove" route and start cracking down on this to put an end to these ridiculous custom cards.

Well, looks like I won't be balancing my cards anytime soon...unfortunate that people have to make broken cards just to survive custom format, really.

I don't know what "survive" is supposed to mean here or why you keep using that word, and as Wek pointed out, there is no "surviving that silliness". Customs are meant to be fun, not a means of survival. This isn't the wilderness. This isn't the apocalypse. This is the custom section of a yugioh simulator. The only format where you do think about "survival" of any kind is advanced format, because in that format, rating and exp are on the line.

I figured as much that things would be going this way. I was right all along, custom card formats can never be balanced because of how everyone's making broken cards nowadays with different views of balance.

If making your cards more balanced is too hard for you to figure out how to do at the moment, then try focusing on interactivity instead for now. Start by trying to make your archetype more interactive, allowing more back and forth interaction with the opponent.

What do I mean by this? Well, let's take your "Yautja" archetype for instance. [url:199vphwp]https://forum.duelingbook.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=20090[/url:199vphwp]

So the first card listed is a monster that can easily bring out a Rank 8 but then also gives that Rank 8 an effect similar to that of Archnemeses Protos, but permanent, where if you call the correct attribute you get a one-sided effect similar to Skill Drain or True King of All Calamities but lasts until the Rank 8 in question is dealt with instead of just for a turn or so, but your archetype's Rank 8s already have high atk/def and tons of protection for no good reason — cannot be targeted, cannot be destroyed by battle or effects, cannot be tributed, cannot be used as fusion/link material except for beast-warriors, etc — making them able to easily lock the opponent out of using monster effects while being impossible for the opponent to deal with, and on top of that, Eternity of the Yautja protects that Rank 8 from all the opponent's effects, so a monster is locking the opponent out of using their monsters effects while at the same time having so many protections that it's impossible to get rid of, but then you even gave them additional quick effects of their own where you can detach a material for an omni-negate, send all non-beast-warrior monsters to the graveyard and prevent their effects from activating in the graveyard for the rest of the turn, change all the opponent's face-up monsters to face-down defense position at once, etc. That's stronger than all of the current meta decks (like Swordsoul) by too much.

Then you have a generic continuous trap (Despair of the Yautja) that negates a monster's effects, prevents it's effects from activating, prevents it from being tributed or used as material for anything, prevents it from attacking, lowers it's atk, and prevents any other copies of it from being summoned or activating their effects. On top of that, it can reset itself from the graveyard, and give itself protection from both targeting and destruction just for you controlling a beast-warrior. It has pretty much the benefits of Fiendish Chain, Called by the Grave, Crossout Designator, Gnomaterial, and Spellbinding Circle combined, with hardly any of the downsides.

Finally, you once again make an effect (Arrival of the Yautja) that reveals cards but makes the opponent pick 1 at random instead of just letting them pick normally.

To make your archetype more interactive, start by removing the attribute lock from that aforementioned monster's effect. Having so many protections and powerful quick effects on those easy to summon Rank 8s is already overdoing it. The least you could do is let the opponent have a chance to use some of their own monster effects.

That continuous trap could just be deleted since other continuous traps do similar things but aren't as broken, like Fiendish Chain, Phantom Knights' Fog Blade, and Crackdown.

Arrival of the Yautja should let the opponent see what they're picking instead of making it random.

These changes will promote more healthy interaction while still keeping your archetype strong and able to go toe to toe with Swordsoul and the other current meta decks like you want it to.

I saw this replay you shared in the replay thread: [url:199vphwp]https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=37528-35975659[/url:199vphwp]

In the replay, the first thing said was "gl hf" which means "good luck, have fun," and you responded with "u2" meaning "You too". Yet, after this, you proceed to make such an unfun board turn 1 that disallows so much interaction as it consists of a 3200 atk monster with protection from basically everything thanks to it's effects and your trap, as well as a quick effect board wipe and an effect that locks your opponent into 1 monster effect per turn, and the ability to revive monsters on top of all that, generate more free advantage should the opponent manage to somehow out it.

What's worse is, you make it not just unfun for your opponents, but unfun for your teamate as well, as your effects also lock them out of playing their monsters. You're essentially treating the tag duel like a 1v1, with your teamate being more of a spectator or something instead of an actual teamate, meaning, instead of trying to combine the power of your cards with the power of your teamate's to beat the team of opponent's who are also trying to combine their cards to beat yours, like how tag duels should go, you cling to the mindset of "I had to make this effect specifically to deal with partners to force them to play my way or the highway" and whatnot, with the excuse being "I've dealt with partners who fucked me up so badly," and you still somehow couldn't grasp why that's overpowered, still convinced [10:22] "YOU CAN EASILY BREAK THIS BOARD!"??

Teamates want to be able to play their cards too, not just yours, and if you got paired up with a teamate who you feel would screw you over, you ask them not to, or communicate with them on how they can make the most optimal play with your cards or something so they're less likely to screw things up for you.

Sure, just winning alone without any kind of interaction might be exciting at first for a while, but who says fun can only come at the cost of disallowing as much interaction as possible from both opponents and teamates, especially when there aren't any ratings or exp on the line like in advanced format? It's more fun to win through healthy interaction with the opponent than through disallowing as much interaction as possible. By seeking fun in winning only through the latter, that "fun" you get from winning that way won't last. It'll get old quickly and you'll get bored of it, building up tolerance to it so it no longer feels as exciting, stimulating, or rewarding, just like how CrystalMusic doesn't seem to appear on this platform anymore due to him getting too bored from all the easy free wins he got thanks to his broken customs, and just like how taking the same addictive drug over and over causes it to feel less exciting, and less stimulating, each time. [url:199vphwp]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_tolerance[/url:199vphwp]

On the other hand, by seeking fun in winning by allowing more interaction from the opponent, that kind of fun will last without you getting bored as quickly. Your teamate in that duel wasn't having fun, because they felt like they were being given a free win without any effort, and the opponents weren't having any fun, because they were instead frustrated at how much interaction your cards were disallowing. Those 3 players (that teamate of yours, and those 2 opponents) are proof that winning is just as fun, if not more fun, when you win while players got to play their cards and interact, as opposed to when 1 player makes an unbreakable turn 1 board that locks all the other 3 players out of playing.

Your mindset, that fun is only possible by disallowing all interaction from both opponents and teamates so that you always win due to uninteractive and broken cards, is unsustainable. You won't get that many more chances to "win" at anything, or have any more "fun," if too many people realize that you have no intention of ever balancing your cards and have decided to block you and make it a habit to instinctively avoid you the way they instinctively avoid Chaosprince, or if the "high" you get from the super easy effortless wins (from disallowing interaction so much) is no longer felt as you build tolerance to it (whichever comes first), nor will you get any more chances to have any more fun in tag duels if teamates are also getting too frustrated with you, just like how CrystalMusic hasn't bothered coming on this site in over a month now, most likely due to him not being able to find any more games since so many players have naturally begun avoiding/blocking him due to his broken customs and ridiculous made-up "rules".

This is why it makes little sense to keep trying to "plan" for these specific kinds of users as opposed to just helping them learn by spreading that "cure" I talked about. Those players will either learn and improve and start balancing their customs, or lose interest and possibly end up leaving the custom format as people keep quitting, and if they don't do either of these, you can continue avoiding them (which you said you would already do) instead of stooping to their level and joining them in making broken uninteractive stuff. I also wouldn't assume right away that we're always going to have to keep dealing with people like CrystalMusic because I've never seen any other user like him. I see users with broken cards like his, yes, but not anyone with the ridiculous rules like his, or a complete unwillingness to even learn any problem-solving card text or anything. Maybe in a few months from now, that might change, and we may really see some sort of CrystalMusic 2.0 show up, but until then, I wouldn't let myself get too paranoid about that, and I would instead just keep trying to balance my customs, encourage those who are willing to listen to keep trying to balance theirs, and encourage them to encourage even more other people to do the same so we have more and more people trying to balance their customs overall instead of making customs broken hoping beat that 1 CrystalMusic-like player or something who they're unlikely to run into anyways to begin with.

It's true that the format can't be perfectly balanced, but, instead of just giving up completely on balance right away because of that, you can still make your cards as close to being balanced as you can, just like how we can't be perfect human beings but can still be as close to perfect as we can. If balance and perfection aren't possible to achieve, then seek out the next best thing which is being as close to these things as you can. In this case, this would be doing what you said earlier which is "re-releasing your archetypes as tamed tier 1 decks". Sure, it still won't be perfectly balanced, and still would do well against those current TCG meta decks like Swordsoul, but it will still be so much better than just completely giving up on trying to balance anything at all, especially if you do what I specifically suggested and make those changes I mentioned so your archetype will at least be more interactive.

You know what I'd love to see as well? A pop-up screen that shows a warning if one tries to make insta-win cards or "unaffected by all other card effects" bullshit, which warns the custom card creator that their card can be seen as ridiculous by the rest of the DB community.

That's what duel notes are for. That's what guides like this are for: [url:199vphwp]https://futuregamer-yugioh.blogspot.com/2020/09/the-pros-guide-to-custom-cards-create.html[/url:199vphwp]

You don't have to continue being a part of the chain of events I talked about earlier — the one that only leads to more and more people making broken and uninteractive customs, and you shouldn't. Instead, you can, and should, be what I've been being — a part of the positive chain of events that leads to more and more people trying to better balance their customs.

Alright, so fuck balance, let's just make insta-win cards that just basically say "Fuck you" to the opponent whenever we play customs.

This is a joke. I'm done.

No, I don't think you're completely "done" with trying to balance your cards, at least not yet. I think that, while you and I can't perfectly balance cards, you still, deep down, want to do the next best thing which is making your cards closer to being balanced. If you truly were "done" here, you wouldn't have even mentioned the possibility of you "balancing your cards and re-releasing them as tamed tier 1 decks" and you most likely wouldn't have even bothered sharing that Yautja archetype on this forum asking for feedback and whatnot. People like Rocket2 may have hurt your faith in the custom card community, but they haven't yet destroyed it, otherwise you wouldn't be back here on this forum trying to come up with these suggestions and continuing to share these archetypes, as it would be a waste of time for you to do so if you truly have lost all faith in us and in the custom format.

People can end up with different and standards of balance. That much is true, but what's also true is that these different standards can sometimes overlap, meaning that I may consider card A to be broken that you consider to be fine, you consider card B to be broken that I consider to be fine, but then we both agree that card C is broken while card D is fine, and so on. That's what I mean by how standards can sometimes overlap, so what you can do is start with your own current standard of balance, start with examining the current advanced format meta like the Swordsouls and whatnot to get an idea of what's currently balanced, start with the latest banlist to get an idea of what isn't balanced, and go from there. You're aware by this point that you made your archetypes to be tier 0-ish and far superior than the those meta decks like Swordsoul, so if "balancing" those archetypes of yours would mean bringing things down a bit by making them more like "tamed tier 1 decks" as you mentioned earlier, and even cutting down on the "unaffecteds/un-targetables/un-tributables" and so on, while also removing some of the randomness in those "reveal 3 X cards from your deck" effects, and the amount of "Your opponent cannot do X and that targeted monster cannot be used for Y and Z" lockouts in your traps, to promote more healthy interaction, then do just that, so other people who also have broken customs will hopefully be encouraged to follow in your footsteps, instead of waiting for someone else to balance their customs so you can follow in their footsteps. Take the initiative by trying to balance your customs regardless of whether not the so-called "conditions" you listed at the start of this thread get met, and start that positive chain of events that will lead to more and more people trying to balance their customs, instead of remaining trapped in the negative chain of events that lead to even more and more broken and uninteractive customs messing up the format.

[quote="Genexwrecker":199vphwp]No[/quote:199vphwp]

Genexwrecker, parhelia_0000 mentioned earlier how the ability to make custom cards private should be removed so users can no longer make inappropriate/nude custom cards and hide them from being reported to the admins, and I agree with this kind of change, as right now, I don't see what's stopped illegal images like child pornography from being uploaded to this site and being set to private so they're hidden from being seen and reported.[/quote:199vphwp]
While you do present plenty of valid points, there are a few that I will rebuttal:

1. Remember back when I mentioned about how metagame players and Yugitubers figured it out about how Komoney keeps on pushing out tier 0 archetypes or broken cards? Sure, you can argue that it's the staples here and there that made the cards broken, and while I won't contest that, it doesn't contest the fact that Komoney keeps on pushing out broken cards or archetypes to stay in the business. For proof, look at the Dragoon engine that people still use in decks that can afford to. Verte didn't get errata'd, Dragoon didn't get hit in the banlist, Red-Eyes Fusion certainly didn't get hit or nerfed, etc.

There's always gonna be that new card that people hate so much that they want to see it get banned. This cycle will never end, which is why we're seeing several former YGO champions retiring after several years of play, as they will eventually lose the fun in dealing with boards that are just unfun to play against. For that same reason, look at the custom card servers on Discord. All of the small servers that tried to start out with balance have failed.

2. While CrystalMusic may have went offline (and probably will for the time being), it doesn't stop other custom card creators from becoming the next CrystalMusic. In fact, in tag duels where I've went against Ari Bellamy, I've seen her create a field spell that just completely blocks out the opponent from using monster effects that just get turned into "Destroy 1 set card your opponent controls." This isn't interaction in any way. This is just a one-sided Skill Drain in its own form, and yet she complains about how my archetypes are broken when she makes broken cards herself...smh...

3. While it is true that ratings and exp are not on the line in custom card format, it doesn't stop players from excessively bragging about their wins on DuelingBook just to shame those who lost. It's not just custom card format too, I've dealt with instances where people who beat me in games went on to brag in duel notes saying "parhelia_0000 is a noob." Now, granted, that was a long time ago that this happened, the fact that people can still do this is just ridiculous.

If that wasn't bad enough, how about that one time where people threatened to dox me for being a "fake" account? DB's custom card format has become so hostile that ratings and exp are the least of your worries - now you have to deal with toxic players who will then spread said toxicity unto others, causing them to turn against me as well. It's a perpetuating cycle of attacks that I've still yet to find a solution to.

4. About the tag duels, I remember back in 2015 when I used to tag with another player on YGOPro. I used HEROs at the time, he used Monarch's. I told him not to lock me out of the extra deck, and yet he did. And then he got upset at ME because of how I couldn't play under such conditions, and then he told me, "Enjoy the loss, noob."

If that wasn't bad enough, there is this one guy in the custom card format who plays a Mask deck that locks the user out of using the extra deck. The same situation happened - the partner told me to "TrUsT mE BrO, I gOt tHiS," and then proceeded to make a losing board. And people wonder why I dread going last in tag duels so much that I insist on going first.

Communication can only do so much, and the fact that your Duel Records will be hit with a loss record is reason enough for one to fear tag duels so badly that you have to establish your board first.

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2. In fact, in tag duels where I've went against Ari Bellamy, I've seen her create a field spell that just completely blocks out the opponent from using monster effects that just get turned into "Destroy 1 set card your opponent controls." This isn't interaction in any way. This is just a one-sided Skill Drain in its own form, and yet she complains about how my archetypes are broken when she makes broken cards herself...smh....[/quote:2zgdmjmm]

And you're complaining about them making broken cards when you yourself admit to doing this?
You're doing the exact same thing you claim they are doing and complaining about. You're making cards you admit to being broken and complaining about broken cards at the same time.

[quote="Wek":276lzk8s][quote="parhelia_0000":276lzk8s]
2. In fact, in tag duels where I've went against Ari Bellamy, I've seen her create a field spell that just completely blocks out the opponent from using monster effects that just get turned into "Destroy 1 set card your opponent controls." This isn't interaction in any way. This is just a one-sided Skill Drain in its own form, and yet she complains about how my archetypes are broken when she makes broken cards herself...smh....[/quote:276lzk8s]

And you're complaining about them making broken cards when you yourself admit to doing this?
You're doing the exact same thing you claim they are doing and complaining about. You're making cards you admit to being broken and complaining about broken cards at the same time. [/quote:276lzk8s]
A lot of people were complaining about my cards being broken. Look, I get it, we all want balance. However, how the fuck do you expect balance to be a thing when you have card creators making unbreakable boards left and right?! Change has to come eventually, unless the admins of DB are fine with seeing the custom card format go down to shit with people being toxic in said format...

[quote="Christen57":1rbhdzky]https://forum.duelingbook.com/viewtopic.php?p=77205#p77205[/quote:1rbhdzky]

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To save space just linking to your post rather than quoting it because of length. I think you'll be able to follow which points I'm replying to anyways.

1. For your quoted section. I want to reiterate that there is no one format for customs. As a result there is no universal format to base customs around, not even advanced format. Advanced format is its own thing, and it can be a useful target if you lack one at all, but it's not the only, or even necessarily the best, one to use. There is no such thing as a universally broken or unfair card in customs, as a result. If you stick cards in front of players without context to judge by, the advanced format is no worse than any other for them to judge it on, and one shouldn't be surprised if players do choose to do that, but it would have been your mistake for asking players to judge a card devoid of context in the first place to begin with, at least for power level concerns. Things like writing for PSCT, on the other hand, should very likely default to Advanced Format examples, because it's a safe baseline for universal readability, which can exist in customs, as opposed to a universal power level.

2. For your fourth quoted section, because I have nothing to add to the second or third one, I will note the reverse does not mirror the original. It is much easier for someone using much higher powered cards to push things up than someone using lesser powered cards to push down. That said, I don't think this changes the answer, which is to not get pulled in by the trolls and to instead decide to do your best to keep things balanced anyways. You will find people to duel with, regardless of whether you change the minds of the trolls out there or not.

3. For your eighth/tenth quoted section, there is not one objective balance. Balance itself is a relative term, the scales balance with each other, if one scale becomes heavier while one answer is to make it lighter, another is to make your own scale heavier as well. Both options will leave the scales balanced. Things get out of hand in customs when players keep trying to one up each other, constantly messing with the scales.

If two random players duel in customs, and one player's deck absolutely destroys another player's deck, that says nothing about how well-designed either player's deck was. They each may have had different power levels in mind and made perfectly reasonable cards for those levels. However, if they intend to effectively play with each other, they would need to agree upon a power level that works for both of them for a given set of duels. In fact it doesn't even need to be the same power level each time, they could agree to various power levels and thy could all work.

Customs are based used between players when they make a mutual understanding among themselves of the intended power level for a given set of games beforehand. The most successful form of Yugioh, the advanced format, is players playing with the mutual understanding that they will use the cardpool set by Konami, which serves at the one to determine what gets to be played. Konami chooses when to advance the power level of the game, or even cut it down, etc. In many ways the advanced format is just the original custom format. If you want to deviate from that, DB's custom system gives you a chance to do it. The critical component is mutual communication and an understanding of what ind of cards should be used among the players involved. Most of the players that have problems do so because they refuse to get those mutual understandings. Cards can't be too powerful for a universal custom card format because that's not really a thing, but they can be too strong for a specific custom card group, and so when using those cards, said overpowered cards should be put away for the time being. Perhaps they'll be useful for a different custom card grouping at a power level that those cards fit in much better with. The same can go for underpowered cards, though those are more a problem of just being redundant and empty, rather than actively detracting, from a given pool.

4. For your twelfth quoted section, making cards private would only make them unable to be reported if they never showed them to anyone else, at which point I'm not sure what those cards are really going to do. If users are using in appropriate cards in duels the replays would be sufficient demonstration of the issue. The primary issue with inappropriate cards is when the user making them is off causing issues for others, which requires they see them and so will already have the means of reporting it regarding of private/public. I don't see how making such cards public is going to help much. Why would you be hunting down a user's cards for inappropriate examples unless you already had reason with cars you can already report in the first place?

Users might want to use private mode for cards they want to make for their own benefit, such as for practice, that they don't want to show other users, etc. Or if they just want to make cards for use with friends and don't want to have them publicly available for anyone to take and insert, etc. I don't see any reason to take that away.

[quote="parhelia_0000":2sjky5z6][quote="Wek":2sjky5z6][quote="parhelia_0000":2sjky5z6]
2. In fact, in tag duels where I've went against Ari Bellamy, I've seen her create a field spell that just completely blocks out the opponent from using monster effects that just get turned into "Destroy 1 set card your opponent controls." This isn't interaction in any way. This is just a one-sided Skill Drain in its own form, and yet she complains about how my archetypes are broken when she makes broken cards herself...smh....[/quote:2sjky5z6]

And you're complaining about them making broken cards when you yourself admit to doing this?
You're doing the exact same thing you claim they are doing and complaining about. You're making cards you admit to being broken and complaining about broken cards at the same time. [/quote:2sjky5z6]
A lot of people were complaining about my cards being broken. Look, I get it, we all want balance. However, how the fuck do you expect balance to be a thing when you have card creators making unbreakable boards left and right?! Change has to come eventually, unless the admins of DB are fine with seeing the custom card format go down to shit with people being toxic in said format...[/quote:2sjky5z6]

The format you are describing does not exist and no such balance can or will ever be possible as a result. There is no "one custom card format". There is just the ability to create custom cards and a room to use them in. Don't play with the players being stupid about it.

[quote="parhelia_0000":1dyrpdnl][quote="Christen57":1dyrpdnl][quote="parhelia_0000":1dyrpdnl]I'm sure so many people are starting to get sick and tired of people who are making it impossible for us to create balanced custom cards without getting wrecked by random opponents who bring in overpowered decks. Unless you're always playing against a specific group of people, it's never gonna be possible for custom cards to be balanced.[/quote:1dyrpdnl]

Just because it isn't possible for the custom format to be perfectly balanced doesn't mean we can't and shouldn't still try to make our custom cards closer and closer to being balanced.

The way you get an idea of how balanced custom cards are is to start by looking at the current advanced format meta, the latest banlist, and what kinds of staples are being played at the moment, which is what Konami actually often does when deciding how to ban current cards and design new ones. If a card like Pot of Greed is banned because it's a free +1 and forces almost every deck out there to run it with little to no downside, then it should be clear that making a custom spell that says "Draw 3 cards" or "Draw 4 cards" is going to be a problem. If the current best deck in the meta (Swordsoul) is so good because it can consistently end on 2-3 negates/disruptions every turn, then it shouldn't be that hard to see why making a custom archetype that can, just as consistently, if not more consistently, end on 2 or 3 times that many negates/disruptions every turn would be a problem.

After getting that idea, you make appropriate changes, whether those changes are buffs, nerfs, or some combination of the two. Buffs can include, but aren't limited to, making cards/effects faster, stronger, less restrictive, able to do more powerful impactful things, and so on. Nerfs can include, but aren't limited to, making cards/effects slower, weaker, more restrictive, able to do less impactful things, and so on.

Also, some articles and even youtube videos explain why and how some cards and combos are "broken" if you want a better idea of what broken cards/combos look like. [url:1dyrpdnl]https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Broken[/url:1dyrpdnl]
[url:1dyrpdnl]https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Forum:Reasons_why_cards_are_Forbidden/Limited[/url:1dyrpdnl]
[url:1dyrpdnl]https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpAqSYsFkgvvQTxYhPUkmXQCD5I_sFRZR[/url:1dyrpdnl]

That is, unless the DB staff team implements a system to put a stop to these stupid custom cards, once and for all.

Yes, I know I do tend to make meta-based archetypes; however, it's not without reason. You guys have to understand that I build custom decks while taking into account the possibility that I may have to deal with that random custom card player who brings in a deck that just cannot be negated in any ways possible. You can only block those people so many times to the point where it becomes difficult to find people to play custom cards against, and there's only so many times that one can ask the opponent to bring balanced custom cards, only to get scammed with an OP board.

The main reason it may be starting to get difficult for you to find people to play customs against is because, just like how so many people have grown tired of the users CrystalMusic and Chaosprince with broken cards, and have made it a habit to specifically avoid those users when possible, more and more people are making it a habit to avoid you in the custom card pool due to your intentionally broken cards. You're not entirely at fault, as you've had to block people who had broken customs of their own and used them to mess things up for you, but you're also contributing to that very problem by making your own customs broken and causing others to want to block you as well. You keep saying the reason you feel the need to make your cards broken is because you keep running into others who make their customs broken, but if you've already been avoiding those people anyways by default, there's really no need for you to power up your customs in the hopes of beating them, since you aren't going to be dueling them anyway, since you're going to be naturally avoiding them to begin with. It's like how when someone brings banned cards, or cards that are in every way better than some of the banned cards, into customs. There's no need to go powering up your customs in the hopes of beating that person.

Futuregamer explained this in his guide, saying, and I quote:
"Accepting that there will be idiots, loads of idiots. There is no point in arguing with them, simply quit the duel on the spot, let them think about what they did wrong after the misery starts settling in. If your opponent plays “Pot of Greed” or something similarly unreasonable, there is no takeaway from the duel, it simply doesn’t count, DON’T start powering up your Deck in the hopes that you will be beating “that” idiot, that’s how you will become an idiot yourself."

While his specific use of the word "idiot" may have been uncalled for, there is truth to what he's saying. If you have a problem with any certain opponent who played cards that are banned, upgrades of banned cards, or something crazy like that, you shouldn't rely on that kind of duel to determine how to adjust your own cards or else you'll only end up contributing to the problem. You shouldn't, and don't need to, contribute to the toxicity by making things even more toxic yourself by making your cards intentionally overpowered just because you ran into someone that made theirs overpowered, or else you're only spreading the toxicity further.

As long as an automated system is not put in place, we'll always have to put up with players like CrystalMusic and Chaosprince who ruin the custom card format for the rest of us, forcing people like me to build decks with tier 0 meta in mind just to have a chance at beating them.

The issue with this mindset of yours, though, is that this is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If the custom format has, say, 50 people in it, 48 of which try to balance their customs, and the remaining 2 people are CrystalMusic, Chaosprince, or whatever other user(s) that comes to mind who doesn't at all care about any kind of balance, and those 2 go in and each duel 4 people, and then all 8 of those people power up their customs to now be broken hoping to now stand a chance against those 2 users who originally started with broken customs, you now have 10 users in total, with broken customs (the first 2 being the original 2 users with the broken customs, and the remaining 8 being the users who have now adopted this mindset you have of "I need to make my customs tier 0-like so I can stand a chance if I run into those CrystalMusic/Chaosprince users again").

Afterwards, if all 10 of these people each duel 4 more people and win with the broken custom cards, you now have 40 people who, with that same mindset you have, feel like they too have to now make their custom cards broken as well just so they'll stand a chance against those 8 people, who made broken customs just to stand a chance against the original 2 people that had broken customs, meaning you now have all 50 of these people ruining the format with broken customs simply because 2 people originally came with broken customs.

That's the self-fulfilling prophecy. Player 1 (whether it's CrystalMusic, Chaosprince, or whoever) starts this whole chain of events by bringing broken customs, duels Player 2 who initially had balanced customs, Player 2 now feels the need to make his customs broken as well so he can stand a chance against Player 1, Player 2 makes his customs broken as a result, Players 1 and 2 go and duel Players 3 through 10 and easily beat them because of such broken customs, now Players 3 through 10 feel the need to make their previously-balanced customs broken as well so they can stand a chance against Players 1 and 2, then all 8 of these Players (Players 3 through 10) go and user their now-broken customs against Players 11 through 50, and now Players 11 through 50 make their customs broken as well, now hoping they'll stand a chance against Players 1 through 10.

See what happened there? Those 50 players went from just 1 or 2 of them having broken customs to all 50 of them now having broken customs because of that self-fulfilling prophecy, and this is what you might be experiencing and promoting in customs now. Maybe you didn't start the problem, but you're contributing to it by first making broken customs, then dueling people, who put more effort into balancing theirs, while refusing to try balancing your own, possibly causing those people you dueled to now feel like they need to make their customs as broken as yours now, if not more broken. Then they duel more people who then go on to make their customs broken as well hoping to beat the people who make their customs broken because they were hoping to beat you who made yours broken, and the cycle continues. That's the problem with that current mindset of yours and how it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

In order to put a stop to this, here's my suggestion as follows. I will only agree to balance my cards and re-release them as tamed tier 1 decks, only if the following conditions are met:

See, this right here, what you're saying, tells me a lot. It tells me that you know, deep down, that while you like making your archetypes able to "rival" the current tier 1 meta decks such as Swordsoul, you've went overboard with some of these custom archetypes of yours and made them far surpass those aforementioned meta decks instead of simply "rivaling" them like you originally wanted. I can see that there's still some part of you that wants to reduce the strength of some of those archetypes of yours so they're tier 1 or 1.5 or so, instead of tier 0, but you feel like you can't because it's (somehow) entirely the fault of those other users out there who broke their customs.
However, what if those other users feel the same way about you? Have you thought about that? If you won't agree to balance your customs because person A refuses to balance his, but person A is refusing to balance his, only because person B is refusing to balance hers, but person B is refusing to balance hers, only because you're refusing to balance yours, you should take the initiative and start by balancing yours, instead of waiting on persons A or B to balance theirs, so that way, you'll inspire those others to finally follow in your footsteps trying to balance theirs.

The current mindset of yours, that your customs have to be broken because some other people made theirs broken, can be shifted towards the opposite. Yes, 1 person with broken customs can, as I've just explained earlier, start a chain of events that lead to many other people deciding that they need to break their customs too just to "survive," whatever that even means, and you've gotten yourself caught in this chain of events.

However, what you seem to have not yet realized is: The opposite is also true, meaning that, just like how a single person with broken customs can create a negative chain of events that lead to many other people breaking their customs as well, a single person with more balanced customs can create a positive chain of events that lead to many other people trying balancing their customs.

In other words, if you have 50 people, and Player 1 is the only one among them with well-designed and balanced customs, while Players 2 through 50 have broken customs, Player 1 can duel Player 2 and explain to them how to better balance their customs, Player 2 can apply some of those suggested changes, then the 2 of them can duel Players 3 through 10 and explain to those players how to better balance their customs so those Players (3 through 10) get encouraged to balance their customs as well, and then, after Players 3 through 10 apply the suggested changes, all 10 of those players (Players 1 through 10) can duel Players 11 through 50, further spreading that awareness on how to better balance customs, leading to potentially even more people better balancing their customs. In other words, the cure to the toxicity (people trying to balance their own customs and encouraging each other to do the same) can be spread, just like how the toxicity itself (people making broken customs and dueling with them causing others to end up feeling the need to make to break their customs overpowered as well just so they could stand a chance in the format) can be spread, so the best way to fight the spread of that toxicity it to counteract it by spreading that cure to said toxicity, not by ignoring the cure and instead just contributing further to that toxicity itself. Yes, you'll still have some of those people like CrystalMusic and Chaosprince who'll ignore the cure, but if so, that's on them. There are far more people out there (including myself) in my opinion that are willing to learn at least a little, and accept at least some criticism, than there are people unwilling to learn any problem-solving card text or accept any criticism, even if it may not seem that way to you.

1. Implement a way to either enforce proper PSCT (by using automated pre-fill responses to force people to follow the proper PSCT and having a word count limit per card), or hand-pick mods who are qualified to check the PSCT of such cards. My hope is that by doing so, we won't have to teach people how to write PSCT as the automated system will force people to do it the right way, and beginners can't make mistakes.
2. Auto-delete/purge custom cards that resemble any of the following (Initiate a full purge of custom cards if you must. I'm willing to remake my custom cards from scratch if it means ensuring that these cards never come back into the custom card pool ever again.):
-Remakes of TCG/OCG cards, and/or anime cards (either by artwork, name, effect description, etc.) - These types of cards are what ruin character duels for me in custom duels.
-Insta-win/"unaffected by all other card effects" cards that are way too cheap to use. If it becomes obvious that you don't have to work so hard for an insta-win card, then those cards have no business being in the custom card pool
-Troll/meme cards that contain effects that do not relate to the duel whatsoever. I've dealt with this at one point where someone made a card that turns the opposing player into a femboy. Seriously, WTF? Need proof? Watch this replay: [url:1dyrpdnl]https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=37528-35955870[/url:1dyrpdnl]
-"At the start of the Duel" cards. Nobody wants to read effects that apply at the start of the duel. (Yes, CrystalMusic, I'm talking about you!) Same applies to the "Annoying Dog" cards - once the stupid cards are purged from the system, there will no longer be a need (hopefully) for anyone to compromise on extra deck space JUST to use these cards.

Others have already explained in this thread why these suggestions aren't practical and wouldn't work, but I want to add that we already have character "count limits". It was 1000 characters at first, but eventually went up to 2000 characters, letting you have more room for text on your customs' effects, as 1000 characters was proving to be too limiting. Multiple guides, both official and fan made, also already covered the basics on how to apply problem-solving card text to custom cards.

3. Expand enforcement of banning inappropriate custom cards to private custom cards as well. There used to be a player in the custom card pool who used a bunch of custom cards containing pictures that showed men who held real-life firearms. I'm not sure if this person continues to play custom cards, but if yes, then this is a major cause for concern because it means that players have a way to circumvent the rules in order to continue creating inappropriate custom cards while retaining their ability to create custom cards. By expanding this rule to private cards as well, we're effectively closing off any and all potential loopholes for people to utilize in order to make inappropriate custom cards.

While I disagree that an image of someone wielding specifically a gun is "inappropriate" (as plenty of official TCG monsters such as Quickdraw Synchron show pistols and whatnot in their artworks), I agree that the ability to make custom cards private so others can't search for them is completely unnecessary and allows rule-breakers on this site to have an easier time concealing their actual inappropriate customs.

Yes, I know custom cards are not considered official TCG or OCG formats; however, that doesn't mean that these cards should be allowed to just rampage the entire format and make custom card creators like myself look bad.

Ultimately, however, the choice is yours. We could spend the rest of our custom card hobby making tier 0 decks just to be able to survive the toxic format that'll never be balanced, OR we could go the "push comes to shove" route and start cracking down on this to put an end to these ridiculous custom cards.

Well, looks like I won't be balancing my cards anytime soon...unfortunate that people have to make broken cards just to survive custom format, really.

I don't know what "survive" is supposed to mean here or why you keep using that word, and as Wek pointed out, there is no "surviving that silliness". Customs are meant to be fun, not a means of survival. This isn't the wilderness. This isn't the apocalypse. This is the custom section of a yugioh simulator. The only format where you do think about "survival" of any kind is advanced format, because in that format, rating and exp are on the line.

I figured as much that things would be going this way. I was right all along, custom card formats can never be balanced because of how everyone's making broken cards nowadays with different views of balance.

If making your cards more balanced is too hard for you to figure out how to do at the moment, then try focusing on interactivity instead for now. Start by trying to make your archetype more interactive, allowing more back and forth interaction with the opponent.

What do I mean by this? Well, let's take your "Yautja" archetype for instance. [url:1dyrpdnl]https://forum.duelingbook.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=20090[/url:1dyrpdnl]

So the first card listed is a monster that can easily bring out a Rank 8 but then also gives that Rank 8 an effect similar to that of Archnemeses Protos, but permanent, where if you call the correct attribute you get a one-sided effect similar to Skill Drain or True King of All Calamities but lasts until the Rank 8 in question is dealt with instead of just for a turn or so, but your archetype's Rank 8s already have high atk/def and tons of protection for no good reason — cannot be targeted, cannot be destroyed by battle or effects, cannot be tributed, cannot be used as fusion/link material except for beast-warriors, etc — making them able to easily lock the opponent out of using monster effects while being impossible for the opponent to deal with, and on top of that, Eternity of the Yautja protects that Rank 8 from all the opponent's effects, so a monster is locking the opponent out of using their monsters effects while at the same time having so many protections that it's impossible to get rid of, but then you even gave them additional quick effects of their own where you can detach a material for an omni-negate, send all non-beast-warrior monsters to the graveyard and prevent their effects from activating in the graveyard for the rest of the turn, change all the opponent's face-up monsters to face-down defense position at once, etc. That's stronger than all of the current meta decks (like Swordsoul) by too much.

Then you have a generic continuous trap (Despair of the Yautja) that negates a monster's effects, prevents it's effects from activating, prevents it from being tributed or used as material for anything, prevents it from attacking, lowers it's atk, and prevents any other copies of it from being summoned or activating their effects. On top of that, it can reset itself from the graveyard, and give itself protection from both targeting and destruction just for you controlling a beast-warrior. It has pretty much the benefits of Fiendish Chain, Called by the Grave, Crossout Designator, Gnomaterial, and Spellbinding Circle combined, with hardly any of the downsides.

Finally, you once again make an effect (Arrival of the Yautja) that reveals cards but makes the opponent pick 1 at random instead of just letting them pick normally.

To make your archetype more interactive, start by removing the attribute lock from that aforementioned monster's effect. Having so many protections and powerful quick effects on those easy to summon Rank 8s is already overdoing it. The least you could do is let the opponent have a chance to use some of their own monster effects.

That continuous trap could just be deleted since other continuous traps do similar things but aren't as broken, like Fiendish Chain, Phantom Knights' Fog Blade, and Crackdown.

Arrival of the Yautja should let the opponent see what they're picking instead of making it random.

These changes will promote more healthy interaction while still keeping your archetype strong and able to go toe to toe with Swordsoul and the other current meta decks like you want it to.

I saw this replay you shared in the replay thread: [url:1dyrpdnl]https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=37528-35975659[/url:1dyrpdnl]

In the replay, the first thing said was "gl hf" which means "good luck, have fun," and you responded with "u2" meaning "You too". Yet, after this, you proceed to make such an unfun board turn 1 that disallows so much interaction as it consists of a 3200 atk monster with protection from basically everything thanks to it's effects and your trap, as well as a quick effect board wipe and an effect that locks your opponent into 1 monster effect per turn, and the ability to revive monsters on top of all that, generate more free advantage should the opponent manage to somehow out it.

What's worse is, you make it not just unfun for your opponents, but unfun for your teamate as well, as your effects also lock them out of playing their monsters. You're essentially treating the tag duel like a 1v1, with your teamate being more of a spectator or something instead of an actual teamate, meaning, instead of trying to combine the power of your cards with the power of your teamate's to beat the team of opponent's who are also trying to combine their cards to beat yours, like how tag duels should go, you cling to the mindset of "I had to make this effect specifically to deal with partners to force them to play my way or the highway" and whatnot, with the excuse being "I've dealt with partners who fucked me up so badly," and you still somehow couldn't grasp why that's overpowered, still convinced [10:22] "YOU CAN EASILY BREAK THIS BOARD!"??

Teamates want to be able to play their cards too, not just yours, and if you got paired up with a teamate who you feel would screw you over, you ask them not to, or communicate with them on how they can make the most optimal play with your cards or something so they're less likely to screw things up for you.

Sure, just winning alone without any kind of interaction might be exciting at first for a while, but who says fun can only come at the cost of disallowing as much interaction as possible from both opponents and teamates, especially when there aren't any ratings or exp on the line like in advanced format? It's more fun to win through healthy interaction with the opponent than through disallowing as much interaction as possible. By seeking fun in winning only through the latter, that "fun" you get from winning that way won't last. It'll get old quickly and you'll get bored of it, building up tolerance to it so it no longer feels as exciting, stimulating, or rewarding, just like how CrystalMusic doesn't seem to appear on this platform anymore due to him getting too bored from all the easy free wins he got thanks to his broken customs, and just like how taking the same addictive drug over and over causes it to feel less exciting, and less stimulating, each time. [url:1dyrpdnl]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_tolerance[/url:1dyrpdnl]

On the other hand, by seeking fun in winning by allowing more interaction from the opponent, that kind of fun will last without you getting bored as quickly. Your teamate in that duel wasn't having fun, because they felt like they were being given a free win without any effort, and the opponents weren't having any fun, because they were instead frustrated at how much interaction your cards were disallowing. Those 3 players (that teamate of yours, and those 2 opponents) are proof that winning is just as fun, if not more fun, when you win while players got to play their cards and interact, as opposed to when 1 player makes an unbreakable turn 1 board that locks all the other 3 players out of playing.

Your mindset, that fun is only possible by disallowing all interaction from both opponents and teamates so that you always win due to uninteractive and broken cards, is unsustainable. You won't get that many more chances to "win" at anything, or have any more "fun," if too many people realize that you have no intention of ever balancing your cards and have decided to block you and make it a habit to instinctively avoid you the way they instinctively avoid Chaosprince, or if the "high" you get from the super easy effortless wins (from disallowing interaction so much) is no longer felt as you build tolerance to it (whichever comes first), nor will you get any more chances to have any more fun in tag duels if teamates are also getting too frustrated with you, just like how CrystalMusic hasn't bothered coming on this site in over a month now, most likely due to him not being able to find any more games since so many players have naturally begun avoiding/blocking him due to his broken customs and ridiculous made-up "rules".

This is why it makes little sense to keep trying to "plan" for these specific kinds of users as opposed to just helping them learn by spreading that "cure" I talked about. Those players will either learn and improve and start balancing their customs, or lose interest and possibly end up leaving the custom format as people keep quitting, and if they don't do either of these, you can continue avoiding them (which you said you would already do) instead of stooping to their level and joining them in making broken uninteractive stuff. I also wouldn't assume right away that we're always going to have to keep dealing with people like CrystalMusic because I've never seen any other user like him. I see users with broken cards like his, yes, but not anyone with the ridiculous rules like his, or a complete unwillingness to even learn any problem-solving card text or anything. Maybe in a few months from now, that might change, and we may really see some sort of CrystalMusic 2.0 show up, but until then, I wouldn't let myself get too paranoid about that, and I would instead just keep trying to balance my customs, encourage those who are willing to listen to keep trying to balance theirs, and encourage them to encourage even more other people to do the same so we have more and more people trying to balance their customs overall instead of making customs broken hoping beat that 1 CrystalMusic-like player or something who they're unlikely to run into anyways to begin with.

It's true that the format can't be perfectly balanced, but, instead of just giving up completely on balance right away because of that, you can still make your cards as close to being balanced as you can, just like how we can't be perfect human beings but can still be as close to perfect as we can. If balance and perfection aren't possible to achieve, then seek out the next best thing which is being as close to these things as you can. In this case, this would be doing what you said earlier which is "re-releasing your archetypes as tamed tier 1 decks". Sure, it still won't be perfectly balanced, and still would do well against those current TCG meta decks like Swordsoul, but it will still be so much better than just completely giving up on trying to balance anything at all, especially if you do what I specifically suggested and make those changes I mentioned so your archetype will at least be more interactive.

You know what I'd love to see as well? A pop-up screen that shows a warning if one tries to make insta-win cards or "unaffected by all other card effects" bullshit, which warns the custom card creator that their card can be seen as ridiculous by the rest of the DB community.

That's what duel notes are for. That's what guides like this are for: [url:1dyrpdnl]https://futuregamer-yugioh.blogspot.com/2020/09/the-pros-guide-to-custom-cards-create.html[/url:1dyrpdnl]

You don't have to continue being a part of the chain of events I talked about earlier — the one that only leads to more and more people making broken and uninteractive customs, and you shouldn't. Instead, you can, and should, be what I've been being — a part of the positive chain of events that leads to more and more people trying to better balance their customs.

Alright, so fuck balance, let's just make insta-win cards that just basically say "Fuck you" to the opponent whenever we play customs.

This is a joke. I'm done.

No, I don't think you're completely "done" with trying to balance your cards, at least not yet. I think that, while you and I can't perfectly balance cards, you still, deep down, want to do the next best thing which is making your cards closer to being balanced. If you truly were "done" here, you wouldn't have even mentioned the possibility of you "balancing your cards and re-releasing them as tamed tier 1 decks" and you most likely wouldn't have even bothered sharing that Yautja archetype on this forum asking for feedback and whatnot. People like Rocket2 may have hurt your faith in the custom card community, but they haven't yet destroyed it, otherwise you wouldn't be back here on this forum trying to come up with these suggestions and continuing to share these archetypes, as it would be a waste of time for you to do so if you truly have lost all faith in us and in the custom format.

People can end up with different and standards of balance. That much is true, but what's also true is that these different standards can sometimes overlap, meaning that I may consider card A to be broken that you consider to be fine, you consider card B to be broken that I consider to be fine, but then we both agree that card C is broken while card D is fine, and so on. That's what I mean by how standards can sometimes overlap, so what you can do is start with your own current standard of balance, start with examining the current advanced format meta like the Swordsouls and whatnot to get an idea of what's currently balanced, start with the latest banlist to get an idea of what isn't balanced, and go from there. You're aware by this point that you made your archetypes to be tier 0-ish and far superior than the those meta decks like Swordsoul, so if "balancing" those archetypes of yours would mean bringing things down a bit by making them more like "tamed tier 1 decks" as you mentioned earlier, and even cutting down on the "unaffecteds/un-targetables/un-tributables" and so on, while also removing some of the randomness in those "reveal 3 X cards from your deck" effects, and the amount of "Your opponent cannot do X and that targeted monster cannot be used for Y and Z" lockouts in your traps, to promote more healthy interaction, then do just that, so other people who also have broken customs will hopefully be encouraged to follow in your footsteps, instead of waiting for someone else to balance their customs so you can follow in their footsteps. Take the initiative by trying to balance your customs regardless of whether not the so-called "conditions" you listed at the start of this thread get met, and start that positive chain of events that will lead to more and more people trying to balance their customs, instead of remaining trapped in the negative chain of events that lead to even more and more broken and uninteractive customs messing up the format.

[quote="Genexwrecker":1dyrpdnl]No[/quote:1dyrpdnl]

Genexwrecker, parhelia_0000 mentioned earlier how the ability to make custom cards private should be removed so users can no longer make inappropriate/nude custom cards and hide them from being reported to the admins, and I agree with this kind of change, as right now, I don't see what's stopped illegal images like child pornography from being uploaded to this site and being set to private so they're hidden from being seen and reported.[/quote:1dyrpdnl]
While you do present plenty of valid points, there are a few that I will rebuttal:

1. Remember back when I mentioned about how metagame players and Yugitubers figured it out about how Komoney keeps on pushing out tier 0 archetypes or broken cards? Sure, you can argue that it's the staples here and there that made the cards broken, and while I won't contest that, it doesn't contest the fact that Komoney keeps on pushing out broken cards or archetypes to stay in the business. For proof, look at the Dragoon engine that people still use in decks that can afford to. Verte didn't get errata'd, Dragoon didn't get hit in the banlist, Red-Eyes Fusion certainly didn't get hit or nerfed, etc.[/quote:1dyrpdnl]

Yes. Konami sometimes pushes out broken cards/archetypes to stay in business, and sometimes they correct these mistakes by banning/errata'ing stuff, but you're pushing out broken cards (sometimes cards that are far more broken than the ones Konami pushes out) just so you can have easy wins and make things unfun for others in what should normally be a fun format, not because you're trying to stay in business too like Konami is. Red-Eyes Dark Dragoon can still at least be destroyed in battle, tributed, Super Polymerization'd, Underword Goddess of the Closed World'd, Dark Ruler No More'd, and so on, and is still somewhat balanced a little by requiring you to play at least 2 different bricks, something a lot of decks can't really afford to do.

2. While CrystalMusic may have went offline (and probably will for the time being), it doesn't stop other custom card creators from becoming the next CrystalMusic. In fact, in tag duels where I've went against Ari Bellamy, I've seen her create a field spell that just completely blocks out the opponent from using monster effects that just get turned into "Destroy 1 set card your opponent controls." This isn't interaction in any way. This is just a one-sided Skill Drain in its own form, and yet she complains about how my archetypes are broken when she makes broken cards herself...smh...

I tried searching for this field spell myself, but it looks like this user either set it to private or has deleted it since. Otherwise, yes, it's possible that both duelists can end up having some balancing to do, so you should offer constructive feedback for how that user can balance their card while you still try balancing yours.

3. While it is true that ratings and exp are not on the line in custom card format, it doesn't stop players from excessively bragging about their wins on DuelingBook just to shame those who lost.

I'm pretty sure wins and loses in the custom format aren't recorded on users' profiles — only wins and loses in rated — so trying to "brag" about how much you won in customs makes no sense as your win count in that format can't actually be verified.

It's not just custom card format too, I've dealt with instances where people who beat me in games went on to brag in duel notes saying "parhelia_0000 is a noob." Now, granted, that was a long time ago that this happened, the fact that people can still do this is just ridiculous.

I'm sure this is actually against the rules which specifically mention that you can't be "Using duel notes for unintended purposes such as notes that are meant to be offensive, meant to harass others, or meant to promote/advertise". If people are doing this to you and making duel notes specifically to harass and bully you, screenshot it and show it to whoever is responsible for handling those types of issues.

If that wasn't bad enough, how about that one time where people threatened to dox me for being a "fake" account? DB's custom card format has become so hostile that ratings and exp are the least of your worries - now you have to deal with toxic players who will then spread said toxicity unto others, causing them to turn against me as well. It's a perpetuating cycle of attacks that I've still yet to find a solution to.

Again, doxxing is against the rules, regardless of whether it's related to the custom format or not. If someone posts your address or something here, report it and include evidence of such doxxing in your report.

4. About the tag duels, I remember back in 2015 when I used to tag with another player on YGOPro. I used HEROs at the time, he used Monarch's. I told him not to lock me out of the extra deck, and yet he did. And then he got upset at ME because of how I couldn't play under such conditions, and then he told me, "Enjoy the loss, noob."

This happened back in 2015, you say? Duelingbook wasn't around yet, but either way, now you know how your teamate felt when you locked them into beast-warriors with your customs.

If that wasn't bad enough, there is this one guy in the custom card format who plays a Mask deck that locks the user out of using the extra deck. The same situation happened - the partner told me to "TrUsT mE BrO, I gOt tHiS," and then proceeded to make a losing board. And people wonder why I dread going last in tag duels so much that I insist on going first.

Do you remember what kind of "losing board" this was? Are you sure it was even a losing board to begin with, or was it just a decent board like the boards Swordsoul end on but overcame by the opponent anyway due to them drawing all the right board-breaking cards like Evenly Matched?

Communication can only do so much, and the fact that your Duel Records will be hit with a loss record is reason enough for one to fear tag duels so badly that you have to establish your board first.

Yeah, I checked my profile to be sure about this, and no, the wins and losses you get in customs or in tag duels aren't recorded on your profile, only the wins and losses you get in rated, goat format, and speed duels.

[quote="Wek":1dyrpdnl][quote="Christen57":1dyrpdnl]https://forum.duelingbook.com/viewtopic.php?p=77205#p77205[/quote:1dyrpdnl]

viewtopic.php?p=77205#p77205

To save space just linking to your post rather than quoting it because of length. I think you'll be able to follow which points I'm replying to anyways.

1. For your quoted section. I want to reiterate that there is no one format for customs. As a result there is no universal format to base customs around, not even advanced format. Advanced format is its own thing, and it can be a useful target if you lack one at all, but it's not the only, or even necessarily the best, one to use. There is no such thing as a universally broken or unfair card in customs, as a result. If you stick cards in front of players without context to judge by, the advanced format is no worse than any other for them to judge it on, and one shouldn't be surprised if players do choose to do that, but it would have been your mistake for asking players to judge a card devoid of context in the first place to begin with, at least for power level concerns. Things like writing for PSCT, on the other hand, should very likely default to Advanced Format examples, because it's a safe baseline for universal readability, which can exist in customs, as opposed to a universal power level.

2. For your fourth quoted section, because I have nothing to add to the second or third one, I will note the reverse does not mirror the original. It is much easier for someone using much higher powered cards to push things up than someone using lesser powered cards to push down. That said, I don't think this changes the answer, which is to not get pulled in by the trolls and to instead decide to do your best to keep things balanced anyways. You will find people to duel with, regardless of whether you change the minds of the trolls out there or not.

3. For your eighth/tenth quoted section, there is not one objective balance. Balance itself is a relative term, the scales balance with each other, if one scale becomes heavier while one answer is to make it lighter, another is to make your own scale heavier as well. Both options will leave the scales balanced. Things get out of hand in customs when players keep trying to one up each other, constantly messing with the scales.

If two random players duel in customs, and one player's deck absolutely destroys another player's deck, that says nothing about how well-designed either player's deck was. They each may have had different power levels in mind and made perfectly reasonable cards for those levels. However, if they intend to effectively play with each other, they would need to agree upon a power level that works for both of them for a given set of duels. In fact it doesn't even need to be the same power level each time, they could agree to various power levels and thy could all work.

Customs are based used between players when they make a mutual understanding among themselves of the intended power level for a given set of games beforehand. The most successful form of Yugioh, the advanced format, is players playing with the mutual understanding that they will use the cardpool set by Konami, which serves at the one to determine what gets to be played. Konami chooses when to advance the power level of the game, or even cut it down, etc. In many ways the advanced format is just the original custom format. If you want to deviate from that, DB's custom system gives you a chance to do it. The critical component is mutual communication and an understanding of what ind of cards should be used among the players involved. Most of the players that have problems do so because they refuse to get those mutual understandings. Cards can't be too powerful for a universal custom card format because that's not really a thing, but they can be too strong for a specific custom card group, and so when using those cards, said overpowered cards should be put away for the time being. Perhaps they'll be useful for a different custom card grouping at a power level that those cards fit in much better with. The same can go for underpowered cards, though those are more a problem of just being redundant and empty, rather than actively detracting, from a given pool.

4. For your twelfth quoted section, making cards private would only make them unable to be reported if they never showed them to anyone else, at which point I'm not sure what those cards are really going to do. If users are using in appropriate cards in duels the replays would be sufficient demonstration of the issue. The primary issue with inappropriate cards is when the user making them is off causing issues for others, which requires they see them and so will already have the means of reporting it regarding of private/public. I don't see how making such cards public is going to help much. Why would you be hunting down a user's cards for inappropriate examples unless you already had reason with cars you can already report in the first place?

Users might want to use private mode for cards they want to make for their own benefit, such as for practice, that they don't want to show other users, etc. Or if they just want to make cards for use with friends and don't want to have them publicly available for anyone to take and insert, etc. I don't see any reason to take that away.[/quote:1dyrpdnl]

It's kinda difficult for me to actually follow which of my points you're replying to just by you calling them "fourth quoted" and "eighth quoted" and so on, but I still agree with everything you said here except for 1 thing.

Yes, if users are using inappropriate cards in duels, the replays would be sufficient demonstration of the issue, unless said users password-protect their duel and choose the option to disable spectators. That way, users can duel freely with their inappropriate customs with people they trust won't report them.

Also, keep in mind that users can also upload an inappropriate image, set it to private to hide it from being reported, and spread it around or link to it from, for example, some other website with only those they trust. Simply dueling with it isn't the only way to spread it around.

That being said, what you should do when responding to my points separately is copy what I say, paste it in a quote block so it looks like this:

the text

Then insert your response here below it.

Like so:

[code:1dyrpdnl][quote]The text you're responding to.[/quote]
Your response.[/code:1dyrpdnl]

Regarding tag duels, I've had multiple instances where my tag partners lost me games so badly that they made bass players look smart. It's not just custom format either - I'm also talking about Advanced format where my tag partners let me down or betrayed me too many times to the point where I actually have to make my tag partners play "my way or the highway."

Couple examples of how tag partners screwed me over:
1. Partners did not communicate ANYTHING about the deck they're using, and whenever I tried to communicate with them, I've dealt with too many instances where my partner and/or my opponent just told me to "shut up and play," only for me to end up with an unwinnable/unplayable position.
2. Partners told me "TrUsT mE bRo I gOt tHiS~", and then they go set 1 monster end turn without setting ANY of their backrow! Like WTF?! These partners had me questioning if they were either trolling, or if they genuinely had no concept of strategy in the first place.
3. Partners, at times, would go out of their way to go aggressive on me once they locked ME out of playing the game, even threatening me to sit through an unwinnable game. This mostly happened on YGOPro, but even on DuelingBook this still happens.

Because of these very reasons I dread of playing tag duels going last or second last.

[quote="parhelia_0000":2ixchjwy][quote="Levionia":2ixchjwy]While i agree, you can't police who does and does not get to make customs. You say the "logistics of blocking people who refuse to learn psct/balancing their cards is impossible" but youre suggesting we implement futuristic A.I.s and police custom cards which on top of being impossible, shows a level of distrust towards other custom card creators, and who gets to decide what is balanced?

While i agree, custom pools are being ruined by people who dont know how to make customs, we cant police it, what we should do is organize a review board with the larger custom communities to approve/deny cards by vote, if we can gain enough influence in the custom card community, soon everyone will either be playing approved cards, or not at all.[/quote:2ixchjwy]
Might be a good alternative, but I highly doubt we'll be garnering any influence for this in a positive way, given the fact that the custom card community has already been tarnished so badly...[/quote:2ixchjwy]
its better than doing nothing.

For the love of god please stop quoting the 10 page essay

[quote="Christen57":1pkjffgd][quote="parhelia_0000":1pkjffgd][quote="Christen57":1pkjffgd]

Just because it isn't possible for the custom format to be perfectly balanced doesn't mean we can't and shouldn't still try to make our custom cards closer and closer to being balanced.

The way you get an idea of how balanced custom cards are is to start by looking at the current advanced format meta, the latest banlist, and what kinds of staples are being played at the moment, which is what Konami actually often does when deciding how to ban current cards and design new ones. If a card like Pot of Greed is banned because it's a free +1 and forces almost every deck out there to run it with little to no downside, then it should be clear that making a custom spell that says "Draw 3 cards" or "Draw 4 cards" is going to be a problem. If the current best deck in the meta (Swordsoul) is so good because it can consistently end on 2-3 negates/disruptions every turn, then it shouldn't be that hard to see why making a custom archetype that can, just as consistently, if not more consistently, end on 2 or 3 times that many negates/disruptions every turn would be a problem.

After getting that idea, you make appropriate changes, whether those changes are buffs, nerfs, or some combination of the two. Buffs can include, but aren't limited to, making cards/effects faster, stronger, less restrictive, able to do more powerful impactful things, and so on. Nerfs can include, but aren't limited to, making cards/effects slower, weaker, more restrictive, able to do less impactful things, and so on.

Also, some articles and even youtube videos explain why and how some cards and combos are "broken" if you want a better idea of what broken cards/combos look like. [url:1pkjffgd]https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Broken[/url:1pkjffgd]
[url:1pkjffgd]https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Forum:Reasons_why_cards_are_Forbidden/Limited[/url:1pkjffgd]
[url:1pkjffgd]https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpAqSYsFkgvvQTxYhPUkmXQCD5I_sFRZR[/url:1pkjffgd]



The main reason it may be starting to get difficult for you to find people to play customs against is because, just like how so many people have grown tired of the users CrystalMusic and Chaosprince with broken cards, and have made it a habit to specifically avoid those users when possible, more and more people are making it a habit to avoid you in the custom card pool due to your intentionally broken cards. You're not entirely at fault, as you've had to block people who had broken customs of their own and used them to mess things up for you, but you're also contributing to that very problem by making your own customs broken and causing others to want to block you as well. You keep saying the reason you feel the need to make your cards broken is because you keep running into others who make their customs broken, but if you've already been avoiding those people anyways by default, there's really no need for you to power up your customs in the hopes of beating them, since you aren't going to be dueling them anyway, since you're going to be naturally avoiding them to begin with. It's like how when someone brings banned cards, or cards that are in every way better than some of the banned cards, into customs. There's no need to go powering up your customs in the hopes of beating that person.

Futuregamer explained this in his guide, saying, and I quote:
"Accepting that there will be idiots, loads of idiots. There is no point in arguing with them, simply quit the duel on the spot, let them think about what they did wrong after the misery starts settling in. If your opponent plays “Pot of Greed” or something similarly unreasonable, there is no takeaway from the duel, it simply doesn’t count, DON’T start powering up your Deck in the hopes that you will be beating “that” idiot, that’s how you will become an idiot yourself."

While his specific use of the word "idiot" may have been uncalled for, there is truth to what he's saying. If you have a problem with any certain opponent who played cards that are banned, upgrades of banned cards, or something crazy like that, you shouldn't rely on that kind of duel to determine how to adjust your own cards or else you'll only end up contributing to the problem. You shouldn't, and don't need to, contribute to the toxicity by making things even more toxic yourself by making your cards intentionally overpowered just because you ran into someone that made theirs overpowered, or else you're only spreading the toxicity further.



The issue with this mindset of yours, though, is that this is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If the custom format has, say, 50 people in it, 48 of which try to balance their customs, and the remaining 2 people are CrystalMusic, Chaosprince, or whatever other user(s) that comes to mind who doesn't at all care about any kind of balance, and those 2 go in and each duel 4 people, and then all 8 of those people power up their customs to now be broken hoping to now stand a chance against those 2 users who originally started with broken customs, you now have 10 users in total, with broken customs (the first 2 being the original 2 users with the broken customs, and the remaining 8 being the users who have now adopted this mindset you have of "I need to make my customs tier 0-like so I can stand a chance if I run into those CrystalMusic/Chaosprince users again").

Afterwards, if all 10 of these people each duel 4 more people and win with the broken custom cards, you now have 40 people who, with that same mindset you have, feel like they too have to now make their custom cards broken as well just so they'll stand a chance against those 8 people, who made broken customs just to stand a chance against the original 2 people that had broken customs, meaning you now have all 50 of these people ruining the format with broken customs simply because 2 people originally came with broken customs.

That's the self-fulfilling prophecy. Player 1 (whether it's CrystalMusic, Chaosprince, or whoever) starts this whole chain of events by bringing broken customs, duels Player 2 who initially had balanced customs, Player 2 now feels the need to make his customs broken as well so he can stand a chance against Player 1, Player 2 makes his customs broken as a result, Players 1 and 2 go and duel Players 3 through 10 and easily beat them because of such broken customs, now Players 3 through 10 feel the need to make their previously-balanced customs broken as well so they can stand a chance against Players 1 and 2, then all 8 of these Players (Players 3 through 10) go and user their now-broken customs against Players 11 through 50, and now Players 11 through 50 make their customs broken as well, now hoping they'll stand a chance against Players 1 through 10.

See what happened there? Those 50 players went from just 1 or 2 of them having broken customs to all 50 of them now having broken customs because of that self-fulfilling prophecy, and this is what you might be experiencing and promoting in customs now. Maybe you didn't start the problem, but you're contributing to it by first making broken customs, then dueling people, who put more effort into balancing theirs, while refusing to try balancing your own, possibly causing those people you dueled to now feel like they need to make their customs as broken as yours now, if not more broken. Then they duel more people who then go on to make their customs broken as well hoping to beat the people who make their customs broken because they were hoping to beat you who made yours broken, and the cycle continues. That's the problem with that current mindset of yours and how it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.



See, this right here, what you're saying, tells me a lot. It tells me that you know, deep down, that while you like making your archetypes able to "rival" the current tier 1 meta decks such as Swordsoul, you've went overboard with some of these custom archetypes of yours and made them far surpass those aforementioned meta decks instead of simply "rivaling" them like you originally wanted. I can see that there's still some part of you that wants to reduce the strength of some of those archetypes of yours so they're tier 1 or 1.5 or so, instead of tier 0, but you feel like you can't because it's (somehow) entirely the fault of those other users out there who broke their customs.
However, what if those other users feel the same way about you? Have you thought about that? If you won't agree to balance your customs because person A refuses to balance his, but person A is refusing to balance his, only because person B is refusing to balance hers, but person B is refusing to balance hers, only because you're refusing to balance yours, you should take the initiative and start by balancing yours, instead of waiting on persons A or B to balance theirs, so that way, you'll inspire those others to finally follow in your footsteps trying to balance theirs.

The current mindset of yours, that your customs have to be broken because some other people made theirs broken, can be shifted towards the opposite. Yes, 1 person with broken customs can, as I've just explained earlier, start a chain of events that lead to many other people deciding that they need to break their customs too just to "survive," whatever that even means, and you've gotten yourself caught in this chain of events.

However, what you seem to have not yet realized is: The opposite is also true, meaning that, just like how a single person with broken customs can create a negative chain of events that lead to many other people breaking their customs as well, a single person with more balanced customs can create a positive chain of events that lead to many other people trying balancing their customs.

In other words, if you have 50 people, and Player 1 is the only one among them with well-designed and balanced customs, while Players 2 through 50 have broken customs, Player 1 can duel Player 2 and explain to them how to better balance their customs, Player 2 can apply some of those suggested changes, then the 2 of them can duel Players 3 through 10 and explain to those players how to better balance their customs so those Players (3 through 10) get encouraged to balance their customs as well, and then, after Players 3 through 10 apply the suggested changes, all 10 of those players (Players 1 through 10) can duel Players 11 through 50, further spreading that awareness on how to better balance customs, leading to potentially even more people better balancing their customs. In other words, the cure to the toxicity (people trying to balance their own customs and encouraging each other to do the same) can be spread, just like how the toxicity itself (people making broken customs and dueling with them causing others to end up feeling the need to make to break their customs overpowered as well just so they could stand a chance in the format) can be spread, so the best way to fight the spread of that toxicity it to counteract it by spreading that cure to said toxicity, not by ignoring the cure and instead just contributing further to that toxicity itself. Yes, you'll still have some of those people like CrystalMusic and Chaosprince who'll ignore the cure, but if so, that's on them. There are far more people out there (including myself) in my opinion that are willing to learn at least a little, and accept at least some criticism, than there are people unwilling to learn any problem-solving card text or accept any criticism, even if it may not seem that way to you.



Others have already explained in this thread why these suggestions aren't practical and wouldn't work, but I want to add that we already have character "count limits". It was 1000 characters at first, but eventually went up to 2000 characters, letting you have more room for text on your customs' effects, as 1000 characters was proving to be too limiting. Multiple guides, both official and fan made, also already covered the basics on how to apply problem-solving card text to custom cards.



While I disagree that an image of someone wielding specifically a gun is "inappropriate" (as plenty of official TCG monsters such as Quickdraw Synchron show pistols and whatnot in their artworks), I agree that the ability to make custom cards private so others can't search for them is completely unnecessary and allows rule-breakers on this site to have an easier time concealing their actual inappropriate customs.




I don't know what "survive" is supposed to mean here or why you keep using that word, and as Wek pointed out, there is no "surviving that silliness". Customs are meant to be fun, not a means of survival. This isn't the wilderness. This isn't the apocalypse. This is the custom section of a yugioh simulator. The only format where you do think about "survival" of any kind is advanced format, because in that format, rating and exp are on the line.



If making your cards more balanced is too hard for you to figure out how to do at the moment, then try focusing on interactivity instead for now. Start by trying to make your archetype more interactive, allowing more back and forth interaction with the opponent.

What do I mean by this? Well, let's take your "Yautja" archetype for instance. [url:1pkjffgd]https://forum.duelingbook.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=20090[/url:1pkjffgd]

So the first card listed is a monster that can easily bring out a Rank 8 but then also gives that Rank 8 an effect similar to that of Archnemeses Protos, but permanent, where if you call the correct attribute you get a one-sided effect similar to Skill Drain or True King of All Calamities but lasts until the Rank 8 in question is dealt with instead of just for a turn or so, but your archetype's Rank 8s already have high atk/def and tons of protection for no good reason — cannot be targeted, cannot be destroyed by battle or effects, cannot be tributed, cannot be used as fusion/link material except for beast-warriors, etc — making them able to easily lock the opponent out of using monster effects while being impossible for the opponent to deal with, and on top of that, Eternity of the Yautja protects that Rank 8 from all the opponent's effects, so a monster is locking the opponent out of using their monsters effects while at the same time having so many protections that it's impossible to get rid of, but then you even gave them additional quick effects of their own where you can detach a material for an omni-negate, send all non-beast-warrior monsters to the graveyard and prevent their effects from activating in the graveyard for the rest of the turn, change all the opponent's face-up monsters to face-down defense position at once, etc. That's stronger than all of the current meta decks (like Swordsoul) by too much.

Then you have a generic continuous trap (Despair of the Yautja) that negates a monster's effects, prevents it's effects from activating, prevents it from being tributed or used as material for anything, prevents it from attacking, lowers it's atk, and prevents any other copies of it from being summoned or activating their effects. On top of that, it can reset itself from the graveyard, and give itself protection from both targeting and destruction just for you controlling a beast-warrior. It has pretty much the benefits of Fiendish Chain, Called by the Grave, Crossout Designator, Gnomaterial, and Spellbinding Circle combined, with hardly any of the downsides.

Finally, you once again make an effect (Arrival of the Yautja) that reveals cards but makes the opponent pick 1 at random instead of just letting them pick normally.

To make your archetype more interactive, start by removing the attribute lock from that aforementioned monster's effect. Having so many protections and powerful quick effects on those easy to summon Rank 8s is already overdoing it. The least you could do is let the opponent have a chance to use some of their own monster effects.

That continuous trap could just be deleted since other continuous traps do similar things but aren't as broken, like Fiendish Chain, Phantom Knights' Fog Blade, and Crackdown.

Arrival of the Yautja should let the opponent see what they're picking instead of making it random.

These changes will promote more healthy interaction while still keeping your archetype strong and able to go toe to toe with Swordsoul and the other current meta decks like you want it to.

I saw this replay you shared in the replay thread: [url:1pkjffgd]https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=37528-35975659[/url:1pkjffgd]

In the replay, the first thing said was "gl hf" which means "good luck, have fun," and you responded with "u2" meaning "You too". Yet, after this, you proceed to make such an unfun board turn 1 that disallows so much interaction as it consists of a 3200 atk monster with protection from basically everything thanks to it's effects and your trap, as well as a quick effect board wipe and an effect that locks your opponent into 1 monster effect per turn, and the ability to revive monsters on top of all that, generate more free advantage should the opponent manage to somehow out it.

What's worse is, you make it not just unfun for your opponents, but unfun for your teamate as well, as your effects also lock them out of playing their monsters. You're essentially treating the tag duel like a 1v1, with your teamate being more of a spectator or something instead of an actual teamate, meaning, instead of trying to combine the power of your cards with the power of your teamate's to beat the team of opponent's who are also trying to combine their cards to beat yours, like how tag duels should go, you cling to the mindset of "I had to make this effect specifically to deal with partners to force them to play my way or the highway" and whatnot, with the excuse being "I've dealt with partners who fucked me up so badly," and you still somehow couldn't grasp why that's overpowered, still convinced [10:22] "YOU CAN EASILY BREAK THIS BOARD!"??

Teamates want to be able to play their cards too, not just yours, and if you got paired up with a teamate who you feel would screw you over, you ask them not to, or communicate with them on how they can make the most optimal play with your cards or something so they're less likely to screw things up for you.

Sure, just winning alone without any kind of interaction might be exciting at first for a while, but who says fun can only come at the cost of disallowing as much interaction as possible from both opponents and teamates, especially when there aren't any ratings or exp on the line like in advanced format? It's more fun to win through healthy interaction with the opponent than through disallowing as much interaction as possible. By seeking fun in winning only through the latter, that "fun" you get from winning that way won't last. It'll get old quickly and you'll get bored of it, building up tolerance to it so it no longer feels as exciting, stimulating, or rewarding, just like how CrystalMusic doesn't seem to appear on this platform anymore due to him getting too bored from all the easy free wins he got thanks to his broken customs, and just like how taking the same addictive drug over and over causes it to feel less exciting, and less stimulating, each time. [url:1pkjffgd]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_tolerance[/url:1pkjffgd]

On the other hand, by seeking fun in winning by allowing more interaction from the opponent, that kind of fun will last without you getting bored as quickly. Your teamate in that duel wasn't having fun, because they felt like they were being given a free win without any effort, and the opponents weren't having any fun, because they were instead frustrated at how much interaction your cards were disallowing. Those 3 players (that teamate of yours, and those 2 opponents) are proof that winning is just as fun, if not more fun, when you win while players got to play their cards and interact, as opposed to when 1 player makes an unbreakable turn 1 board that locks all the other 3 players out of playing.

Your mindset, that fun is only possible by disallowing all interaction from both opponents and teamates so that you always win due to uninteractive and broken cards, is unsustainable. You won't get that many more chances to "win" at anything, or have any more "fun," if too many people realize that you have no intention of ever balancing your cards and have decided to block you and make it a habit to instinctively avoid you the way they instinctively avoid Chaosprince, or if the "high" you get from the super easy effortless wins (from disallowing interaction so much) is no longer felt as you build tolerance to it (whichever comes first), nor will you get any more chances to have any more fun in tag duels if teamates are also getting too frustrated with you, just like how CrystalMusic hasn't bothered coming on this site in over a month now, most likely due to him not being able to find any more games since so many players have naturally begun avoiding/blocking him due to his broken customs and ridiculous made-up "rules".

This is why it makes little sense to keep trying to "plan" for these specific kinds of users as opposed to just helping them learn by spreading that "cure" I talked about. Those players will either learn and improve and start balancing their customs, or lose interest and possibly end up leaving the custom format as people keep quitting, and if they don't do either of these, you can continue avoiding them (which you said you would already do) instead of stooping to their level and joining them in making broken uninteractive stuff. I also wouldn't assume right away that we're always going to have to keep dealing with people like CrystalMusic because I've never seen any other user like him. I see users with broken cards like his, yes, but not anyone with the ridiculous rules like his, or a complete unwillingness to even learn any problem-solving card text or anything. Maybe in a few months from now, that might change, and we may really see some sort of CrystalMusic 2.0 show up, but until then, I wouldn't let myself get too paranoid about that, and I would instead just keep trying to balance my customs, encourage those who are willing to listen to keep trying to balance theirs, and encourage them to encourage even more other people to do the same so we have more and more people trying to balance their customs overall instead of making customs broken hoping beat that 1 CrystalMusic-like player or something who they're unlikely to run into anyways to begin with.

It's true that the format can't be perfectly balanced, but, instead of just giving up completely on balance right away because of that, you can still make your cards as close to being balanced as you can, just like how we can't be perfect human beings but can still be as close to perfect as we can. If balance and perfection aren't possible to achieve, then seek out the next best thing which is being as close to these things as you can. In this case, this would be doing what you said earlier which is "re-releasing your archetypes as tamed tier 1 decks". Sure, it still won't be perfectly balanced, and still would do well against those current TCG meta decks like Swordsoul, but it will still be so much better than just completely giving up on trying to balance anything at all, especially if you do what I specifically suggested and make those changes I mentioned so your archetype will at least be more interactive.



That's what duel notes are for. That's what guides like this are for: [url:1pkjffgd]https://futuregamer-yugioh.blogspot.com/2020/09/the-pros-guide-to-custom-cards-create.html[/url:1pkjffgd]

You don't have to continue being a part of the chain of events I talked about earlier — the one that only leads to more and more people making broken and uninteractive customs, and you shouldn't. Instead, you can, and should, be what I've been being — a part of the positive chain of events that leads to more and more people trying to better balance their customs.



No, I don't think you're completely "done" with trying to balance your cards, at least not yet. I think that, while you and I can't perfectly balance cards, you still, deep down, want to do the next best thing which is making your cards closer to being balanced. If you truly were "done" here, you wouldn't have even mentioned the possibility of you "balancing your cards and re-releasing them as tamed tier 1 decks" and you most likely wouldn't have even bothered sharing that Yautja archetype on this forum asking for feedback and whatnot. People like Rocket2 may have hurt your faith in the custom card community, but they haven't yet destroyed it, otherwise you wouldn't be back here on this forum trying to come up with these suggestions and continuing to share these archetypes, as it would be a waste of time for you to do so if you truly have lost all faith in us and in the custom format.

People can end up with different and standards of balance. That much is true, but what's also true is that these different standards can sometimes overlap, meaning that I may consider card A to be broken that you consider to be fine, you consider card B to be broken that I consider to be fine, but then we both agree that card C is broken while card D is fine, and so on. That's what I mean by how standards can sometimes overlap, so what you can do is start with your own current standard of balance, start with examining the current advanced format meta like the Swordsouls and whatnot to get an idea of what's currently balanced, start with the latest banlist to get an idea of what isn't balanced, and go from there. You're aware by this point that you made your archetypes to be tier 0-ish and far superior than the those meta decks like Swordsoul, so if "balancing" those archetypes of yours would mean bringing things down a bit by making them more like "tamed tier 1 decks" as you mentioned earlier, and even cutting down on the "unaffecteds/un-targetables/un-tributables" and so on, while also removing some of the randomness in those "reveal 3 X cards from your deck" effects, and the amount of "Your opponent cannot do X and that targeted monster cannot be used for Y and Z" lockouts in your traps, to promote more healthy interaction, then do just that, so other people who also have broken customs will hopefully be encouraged to follow in your footsteps, instead of waiting for someone else to balance their customs so you can follow in their footsteps. Take the initiative by trying to balance your customs regardless of whether not the so-called "conditions" you listed at the start of this thread get met, and start that positive chain of events that will lead to more and more people trying to balance their customs, instead of remaining trapped in the negative chain of events that lead to even more and more broken and uninteractive customs messing up the format.



Genexwrecker, parhelia_0000 mentioned earlier how the ability to make custom cards private should be removed so users can no longer make inappropriate/nude custom cards and hide them from being reported to the admins, and I agree with this kind of change, as right now, I don't see what's stopped illegal images like child pornography from being uploaded to this site and being set to private so they're hidden from being seen and reported.[/quote:1pkjffgd]
While you do present plenty of valid points, there are a few that I will rebuttal:

1. Remember back when I mentioned about how metagame players and Yugitubers figured it out about how Komoney keeps on pushing out tier 0 archetypes or broken cards? Sure, you can argue that it's the staples here and there that made the cards broken, and while I won't contest that, it doesn't contest the fact that Komoney keeps on pushing out broken cards or archetypes to stay in the business. For proof, look at the Dragoon engine that people still use in decks that can afford to. Verte didn't get errata'd, Dragoon didn't get hit in the banlist, Red-Eyes Fusion certainly didn't get hit or nerfed, etc.[/quote:1pkjffgd]

Yes. Konami sometimes pushes out broken cards/archetypes to stay in business, and sometimes they correct these mistakes by banning/errata'ing stuff, but you're pushing out broken cards (sometimes cards that are far more broken than the ones Konami pushes out) just so you can have easy wins and make things unfun for others in what should normally be a fun format, not because you're trying to stay in business too like Konami is. Red-Eyes Dark Dragoon can still at least be destroyed in battle, tributed, Super Polymerization'd, Underword Goddess of the Closed World'd, Dark Ruler No More'd, and so on, and is still somewhat balanced a little by requiring you to play at least 2 different bricks, something a lot of decks can't really afford to do.

2. While CrystalMusic may have went offline (and probably will for the time being), it doesn't stop other custom card creators from becoming the next CrystalMusic. In fact, in tag duels where I've went against Ari Bellamy, I've seen her create a field spell that just completely blocks out the opponent from using monster effects that just get turned into "Destroy 1 set card your opponent controls." This isn't interaction in any way. This is just a one-sided Skill Drain in its own form, and yet she complains about how my archetypes are broken when she makes broken cards herself...smh...

I tried searching for this field spell myself, but it looks like this user either set it to private or has deleted it since. Otherwise, yes, it's possible that both duelists can end up having some balancing to do, so you should offer constructive feedback for how that user can balance their card while you still try balancing yours.

3. While it is true that ratings and exp are not on the line in custom card format, it doesn't stop players from excessively bragging about their wins on DuelingBook just to shame those who lost.

I'm pretty sure wins and loses in the custom format aren't recorded on users' profiles — only wins and loses in rated — so trying to "brag" about how much you won in customs makes no sense as your win count in that format can't actually be verified.

It's not just custom card format too, I've dealt with instances where people who beat me in games went on to brag in duel notes saying "parhelia_0000 is a noob." Now, granted, that was a long time ago that this happened, the fact that people can still do this is just ridiculous.

I'm sure this is actually against the rules which specifically mention that you can't be "Using duel notes for unintended purposes such as notes that are meant to be offensive, meant to harass others, or meant to promote/advertise". If people are doing this to you and making duel notes specifically to harass and bully you, screenshot it and show it to whoever is responsible for handling those types of issues.

If that wasn't bad enough, how about that one time where people threatened to dox me for being a "fake" account? DB's custom card format has become so hostile that ratings and exp are the least of your worries - now you have to deal with toxic players who will then spread said toxicity unto others, causing them to turn against me as well. It's a perpetuating cycle of attacks that I've still yet to find a solution to.

Again, doxxing is against the rules, regardless of whether it's related to the custom format or not. If someone posts your address or something here, report it and include evidence of such doxxing in your report.

4. About the tag duels, I remember back in 2015 when I used to tag with another player on YGOPro. I used HEROs at the time, he used Monarch's. I told him not to lock me out of the extra deck, and yet he did. And then he got upset at ME because of how I couldn't play under such conditions, and then he told me, "Enjoy the loss, noob."

This happened back in 2015, you say? Duelingbook wasn't around yet, but either way, now you know how your teamate felt when you locked them into beast-warriors with your customs.

If that wasn't bad enough, there is this one guy in the custom card format who plays a Mask deck that locks the user out of using the extra deck. The same situation happened - the partner told me to "TrUsT mE BrO, I gOt tHiS," and then proceeded to make a losing board. And people wonder why I dread going last in tag duels so much that I insist on going first.

Do you remember what kind of "losing board" this was? Are you sure it was even a losing board to begin with, or was it just a decent board like the boards Swordsoul end on but overcame by the opponent anyway due to them drawing all the right board-breaking cards like Evenly Matched?

Communication can only do so much, and the fact that your Duel Records will be hit with a loss record is reason enough for one to fear tag duels so badly that you have to establish your board first.

Yeah, I checked my profile to be sure about this, and no, the wins and losses you get in customs or in tag duels aren't recorded on your profile, only the wins and losses you get in rated, goat format, and speed duels.

[quote="Wek":1pkjffgd][quote="Christen57":1pkjffgd]https://forum.duelingbook.com/viewtopic.php?p=77205#p77205[/quote:1pkjffgd]

viewtopic.php?p=77205#p77205

To save space just linking to your post rather than quoting it because of length. I think you'll be able to follow which points I'm replying to anyways.

1. For your quoted section. I want to reiterate that there is no one format for customs. As a result there is no universal format to base customs around, not even advanced format. Advanced format is its own thing, and it can be a useful target if you lack one at all, but it's not the only, or even necessarily the best, one to use. There is no such thing as a universally broken or unfair card in customs, as a result. If you stick cards in front of players without context to judge by, the advanced format is no worse than any other for them to judge it on, and one shouldn't be surprised if players do choose to do that, but it would have been your mistake for asking players to judge a card devoid of context in the first place to begin with, at least for power level concerns. Things like writing for PSCT, on the other hand, should very likely default to Advanced Format examples, because it's a safe baseline for universal readability, which can exist in customs, as opposed to a universal power level.

2. For your fourth quoted section, because I have nothing to add to the second or third one, I will note the reverse does not mirror the original. It is much easier for someone using much higher powered cards to push things up than someone using lesser powered cards to push down. That said, I don't think this changes the answer, which is to not get pulled in by the trolls and to instead decide to do your best to keep things balanced anyways. You will find people to duel with, regardless of whether you change the minds of the trolls out there or not.

3. For your eighth/tenth quoted section, there is not one objective balance. Balance itself is a relative term, the scales balance with each other, if one scale becomes heavier while one answer is to make it lighter, another is to make your own scale heavier as well. Both options will leave the scales balanced. Things get out of hand in customs when players keep trying to one up each other, constantly messing with the scales.

If two random players duel in customs, and one player's deck absolutely destroys another player's deck, that says nothing about how well-designed either player's deck was. They each may have had different power levels in mind and made perfectly reasonable cards for those levels. However, if they intend to effectively play with each other, they would need to agree upon a power level that works for both of them for a given set of duels. In fact it doesn't even need to be the same power level each time, they could agree to various power levels and thy could all work.

Customs are based used between players when they make a mutual understanding among themselves of the intended power level for a given set of games beforehand. The most successful form of Yugioh, the advanced format, is players playing with the mutual understanding that they will use the cardpool set by Konami, which serves at the one to determine what gets to be played. Konami chooses when to advance the power level of the game, or even cut it down, etc. In many ways the advanced format is just the original custom format. If you want to deviate from that, DB's custom system gives you a chance to do it. The critical component is mutual communication and an understanding of what ind of cards should be used among the players involved. Most of the players that have problems do so because they refuse to get those mutual understandings. Cards can't be too powerful for a universal custom card format because that's not really a thing, but they can be too strong for a specific custom card group, and so when using those cards, said overpowered cards should be put away for the time being. Perhaps they'll be useful for a different custom card grouping at a power level that those cards fit in much better with. The same can go for underpowered cards, though those are more a problem of just being redundant and empty, rather than actively detracting, from a given pool.

4. For your twelfth quoted section, making cards private would only make them unable to be reported if they never showed them to anyone else, at which point I'm not sure what those cards are really going to do. If users are using in appropriate cards in duels the replays would be sufficient demonstration of the issue. The primary issue with inappropriate cards is when the user making them is off causing issues for others, which requires they see them and so will already have the means of reporting it regarding of private/public. I don't see how making such cards public is going to help much. Why would you be hunting down a user's cards for inappropriate examples unless you already had reason with cars you can already report in the first place?

Users might want to use private mode for cards they want to make for their own benefit, such as for practice, that they don't want to show other users, etc. Or if they just want to make cards for use with friends and don't want to have them publicly available for anyone to take and insert, etc. I don't see any reason to take that away.[/quote:1pkjffgd]

It's kinda difficult for me to actually follow which of my points you're replying to just by you calling them "fourth quoted" and "eighth quoted" and so on, but I still agree with everything you said here except for 1 thing.

Yes, if users are using inappropriate cards in duels, the replays would be sufficient demonstration of the issue, unless said users password-protect their duel and choose the option to disable spectators. That way, users can duel freely with their inappropriate customs with people they trust won't report them.

Also, keep in mind that users can also upload an inappropriate image, set it to private to hide it from being reported, and spread it around or link to it from, for example, some other website with only those they trust. Simply dueling with it isn't the only way to spread it around.

That being said, what you should do when responding to my points separately is copy what I say, paste it in a quote block so it looks like this:

the text

Then insert your response here below it.

Like so:

[code:1pkjffgd][quote]The text you're responding to.[/quote]
Your response.[/code:1pkjffgd][/quote:1pkjffgd]
>Custom
bad.

Bruh

my solution is we just delete customs and make a format tab where electrumight is legal and that's it

[quote="PENMASTER":10nwtc0p]my solution is we just delete customs and make a format tab where electrumight is legal and that's it[/quote:10nwtc0p]
how about playing OCG?

[quote="PENMASTER":3m20anrg]my solution is we just delete customs and make a format tab where electrumight is legal and that's it[/quote:3m20anrg]
You know what, that's starting to look like not too bad an idea after all. Since people cannot be trusted to balance the cards themselves, and since the admins are unable to set up an automatic custom card review system, I don't feel that custom cards format should even exist anymore at this point.

Yes, there will still be toxic people on the game, but at the very least by getting rid of custom cards format as a whole, it'll be one less thing the community has to complain about.

[quote="parhelia_0000":p4fv336h][quote="PENMASTER":p4fv336h]my solution is we just delete customs and make a format tab where electrumight is legal and that's it[/quote:p4fv336h]
You know what, that's starting to look like not too bad an idea after all. Since people cannot be trusted to balance the cards themselves, and since the admins are unable to set up an automatic custom card review system, I don't feel that custom cards format should even exist anymore at this point.

Yes, there will still be toxic people on the game, but at the very least by getting rid of custom cards format as a whole, it'll be one less thing the community has to complain about.[/quote:p4fv336h]

Community then proceeds to complain about not having customs anymore.
Just stop trolling customs and stop playing trolls in customs, and suddenly your problems are solved.

^^ Omega brian strats right here

[quote="Wek":100u6jnj][quote="parhelia_0000":100u6jnj][quote="PENMASTER":100u6jnj]my solution is we just delete customs and make a format tab where electrumight is legal and that's it[/quote:100u6jnj]
You know what, that's starting to look like not too bad an idea after all. Since people cannot be trusted to balance the cards themselves, and since the admins are unable to set up an automatic custom card review system, I don't feel that custom cards format should even exist anymore at this point.

Yes, there will still be toxic people on the game, but at the very least by getting rid of custom cards format as a whole, it'll be one less thing the community has to complain about.[/quote:100u6jnj]

Community then proceeds to complain about not having customs anymore.
Just stop trolling customs and stop playing trolls in customs, and suddenly your problems are solved. [/quote:100u6jnj]
I mean, if it means FINALLY breaking the chain of CrystalMusic 2.0/3.0/4.0 etc. in the custom pool, then it's better to deal with complaints about not having custom cards anymore rather than deal with constant reports of trolls in the format.

It's all about choosing the lesser of two evils at this point.

[quote="Genexwrecker":3t9rrmgu]For the love of god please stop quoting the 10 page essay[/quote:3t9rrmgu]

What 10 page essay?

[quote="parhelia_0000":3t9rrmgu][quote="PENMASTER":3t9rrmgu]my solution is we just delete customs and make a format tab where electrumight is legal and that's it[/quote:3t9rrmgu]
You know what, that's starting to look like not too bad an idea after all. Since people cannot be trusted to balance the cards themselves, and since the admins are unable to set up an automatic custom card review system, I don't feel that custom cards format should even exist anymore at this point.

Yes, there will still be toxic people on the game, but at the very least by getting rid of custom cards format as a whole, it'll be one less thing the community has to complain about.[/quote:3t9rrmgu]

I strongly disagree that the custom format should just be deleted outright just because you find yourself losing interest in it or getting frustrated in it. Lil Oldman pointed out earlier that customs "allow for so much creativity and are such a powerful tool, both for casual/regular players looking for a fun time, aswell as for game card designers, this may be the first experience for lots of people in game design" and I agree with this.

Yes, there are people like the aforementioned CrystalMusic/Chaosprince who refuse any criticism and won't make any effort to make their cards more balanced or at least use problem-solving card text, but I still trust that you and many others like you will try balancing your customs, and people still trust that I'll continue to try balancing mine, so it isn't fair to group everyone as "people who cannot be trusted to balance the cards," at least not just yet.

Getting rid of customs simply because of some mean user(s) will do more harm than good at this point, both for the duelingbook community and for duelingbook itself. For the duelingbook community because if you delete customs simply because of a few trolls or bad apples, those trolls will win and then feel emboldened to bring their toxicity over to other formats like advanced, goat, speed, rush, turbo, etc, to try getting some of those formats deleted as well. For duelingbook itself because duelingbook relies on ads to keep running, and less fun and attractive formats such as customs/tags means less users being attracted to the site, and less users being attracted to the site means less donations/ad revenue, and less donations/ad revenue means less money to keep the site running.

I mean, if it means FINALLY breaking the chain of CrystalMusic 2.0/3.0/4.0 etc. in the custom pool,

I would rather see these toxic users get slowly but surely frozen or removed from the platform one by one than for all fans of the custom format to be punished.

then it's better to deal with complaints about not having custom cards anymore rather than deal with constant reports of trolls in the format.

It's all about choosing the lesser of two evils at this point.

It's already against the rules to abuse the report feature, whether or not the issue in question is custom format related. Reports about what goes on in duels should be reserved for rated duels for the most part. It makes little sense to report people in unrated sections like the custom/tag sections as you can simply leave with no consequence if don't like what's going on, unless of course they're still breaking major duelingbook rules like severe harassment such as death threats.

[quote="Christen57":3d5acohq][quote="Genexwrecker":3d5acohq]For the love of god please stop quoting the 10 page essay[/quote:3d5acohq]

What 10 page essay?

[quote="parhelia_0000":3d5acohq][quote="PENMASTER":3d5acohq]my solution is we just delete customs and make a format tab where electrumight is legal and that's it[/quote:3d5acohq]
You know what, that's starting to look like not too bad an idea after all. Since people cannot be trusted to balance the cards themselves, and since the admins are unable to set up an automatic custom card review system, I don't feel that custom cards format should even exist anymore at this point.

Yes, there will still be toxic people on the game, but at the very least by getting rid of custom cards format as a whole, it'll be one less thing the community has to complain about.[/quote:3d5acohq]

I strongly disagree that the custom format should just be deleted outright just because you find yourself losing interest in it or getting frustrated in it. Lil Oldman pointed out earlier that customs "allow for so much creativity and are such a powerful tool, both for casual/regular players looking for a fun time, aswell as for game card designers, this may be the first experience for lots of people in game design" and I agree with this.

Yes, there are people like the aforementioned CrystalMusic/Chaosprince who refuse any criticism and won't make any effort to make their cards more balanced or at least use problem-solving card text, but I still trust that you and many others like you will try balancing your customs, and people still trust that I'll continue to try balancing mine, so it isn't fair to group everyone as "people who cannot be trusted to balance the cards," at least not just yet.

Getting rid of customs simply because of some mean user(s) will do more harm than good at this point, both for the duelingbook community and for duelingbook itself. For the duelingbook community because if you delete customs simply because of a few trolls or bad apples, those trolls will win and then feel emboldened to bring their toxicity over to other formats like advanced, goat, speed, rush, turbo, etc, to try getting some of those formats deleted as well. For duelingbook itself because duelingbook relies on ads to keep running, and less fun and attractive formats such as customs/tags means less users being attracted to the site, and less users being attracted to the site means less donations/ad revenue, and less donations/ad revenue means less money to keep the site running.

I mean, if it means FINALLY breaking the chain of CrystalMusic 2.0/3.0/4.0 etc. in the custom pool,

I would rather see these toxic users get slowly but surely frozen or removed from the platform one by one than for all fans of the custom format to be punished.

then it's better to deal with complaints about not having custom cards anymore rather than deal with constant reports of trolls in the format.

It's all about choosing the lesser of two evils at this point.

It's already against the rules to abuse the report feature, whether or not the issue in question is custom format related. Reports about what goes on in duels should be reserved for rated duels for the most part. It makes little sense to report people in unrated sections like the custom/tag sections as you can simply leave with no consequence if don't like what's going on, unless of course they're still breaking major duelingbook rules like severe harassment such as death threats.[/quote:3d5acohq]
You have to understand that it's not just PENMASTER or myself who feel that custom cards format should just be deleted. A lot of people on DuelingBook who talk on public chat and/or Main Menu statuses want custom cards gone because of how it attracts negativity in many angles. It's not about whether or not we can include diversity just to maintain the website for a long term anymore. It's about breaking the chain of toxicity with custom cards by deleting the format for good.

[quote="parhelia_0000":y4nhndgl][quote="PENMASTER":y4nhndgl]my solution is we just delete customs and make a format tab where electrumight is legal and that's it[/quote:y4nhndgl]
You know what, that's starting to look like not too bad an idea after all. Since people cannot be trusted to balance the cards themselves, and since the admins are unable to set up an automatic custom card review system, I don't feel that custom cards format should even exist anymore at this point.

Yes, there will still be toxic people on the game, but at the very least by getting rid of custom cards format as a whole, it'll be one less thing the community has to complain about.[/quote:y4nhndgl]
Depends on what Xsteven feels like

[quote="greg503":324p7yx1][quote="parhelia_0000":324p7yx1][quote="PENMASTER":324p7yx1]my solution is we just delete customs and make a format tab where electrumight is legal and that's it[/quote:324p7yx1]
You know what, that's starting to look like not too bad an idea after all. Since people cannot be trusted to balance the cards themselves, and since the admins are unable to set up an automatic custom card review system, I don't feel that custom cards format should even exist anymore at this point.

Yes, there will still be toxic people on the game, but at the very least by getting rid of custom cards format as a whole, it'll be one less thing the community has to complain about.[/quote:324p7yx1]
Depends on what Xsteven feels like[/quote:324p7yx1]
XSteven, I hope you're keeping track of this thread, because it's becoming clear that the custom card format's toxicity has grown out of control. Said toxicity is already spreading to other formats whether people like it or not. You cannot stop that toxicity, but the least we can do to remediate the issue is to delete the custom card format for good, or at least implement an automatic system that can be enforced that moderates custom cards.

If the community cannot be promised a healthier custom card format where we don't have to worry about trolls anymore, then perhaps the community does not deserve to have the custom cards format in the first place.

Topic title has been amended to: Delete Custom Cards Format for Good.

REASON: After discussing with other DB members, we've come to a conclusion that custom cards format is just unhealthy beyond recovery at this point. Yugitubers such as dzeff and Farfa even figured it out at this point that there is no way to stop the toxicity, because you cannot reason with people who insist on using OP cards, and if you try to use cards to counter their BS cards, then they'll respond by making anti-counter cards and so forth. This chain will never end.

Admins, please seriously consider deleting the custom card format for good. I'm not alone in this - many people on the Main Menu and/or public chat who talk often want custom cards gone, and at this point I can finally see why. There is no way for us to control the toxicity within the custom card format without hefty policing, and if we can't establish an automatic system to deal with inappropriate and/or broken custom cards, then perhaps the community does not deserve the format.

[quote="parhelia_0000":2rvj879d][quote="Christen57":2rvj879d][quote="Genexwrecker":2rvj879d]For the love of god please stop quoting the 10 page essay[/quote:2rvj879d]

What 10 page essay?

[quote="parhelia_0000":2rvj879d]
You know what, that's starting to look like not too bad an idea after all. Since people cannot be trusted to balance the cards themselves, and since the admins are unable to set up an automatic custom card review system, I don't feel that custom cards format should even exist anymore at this point.

Yes, there will still be toxic people on the game, but at the very least by getting rid of custom cards format as a whole, it'll be one less thing the community has to complain about.[/quote:2rvj879d]

I strongly disagree that the custom format should just be deleted outright just because you find yourself losing interest in it or getting frustrated in it. Lil Oldman pointed out earlier that customs "allow for so much creativity and are such a powerful tool, both for casual/regular players looking for a fun time, aswell as for game card designers, this may be the first experience for lots of people in game design" and I agree with this.

Yes, there are people like the aforementioned CrystalMusic/Chaosprince who refuse any criticism and won't make any effort to make their cards more balanced or at least use problem-solving card text, but I still trust that you and many others like you will try balancing your customs, and people still trust that I'll continue to try balancing mine, so it isn't fair to group everyone as "people who cannot be trusted to balance the cards," at least not just yet.

Getting rid of customs simply because of some mean user(s) will do more harm than good at this point, both for the duelingbook community and for duelingbook itself. For the duelingbook community because if you delete customs simply because of a few trolls or bad apples, those trolls will win and then feel emboldened to bring their toxicity over to other formats like advanced, goat, speed, rush, turbo, etc, to try getting some of those formats deleted as well. For duelingbook itself because duelingbook relies on ads to keep running, and less fun and attractive formats such as customs/tags means less users being attracted to the site, and less users being attracted to the site means less donations/ad revenue, and less donations/ad revenue means less money to keep the site running.

I mean, if it means FINALLY breaking the chain of CrystalMusic 2.0/3.0/4.0 etc. in the custom pool,

I would rather see these toxic users get slowly but surely frozen or removed from the platform one by one than for all fans of the custom format to be punished.

then it's better to deal with complaints about not having custom cards anymore rather than deal with constant reports of trolls in the format.

It's all about choosing the lesser of two evils at this point.

It's already against the rules to abuse the report feature, whether or not the issue in question is custom format related. Reports about what goes on in duels should be reserved for rated duels for the most part. It makes little sense to report people in unrated sections like the custom/tag sections as you can simply leave with no consequence if don't like what's going on, unless of course they're still breaking major duelingbook rules like severe harassment such as death threats.[/quote:2rvj879d]
You have to understand that it's not just PENMASTER or myself who feel that custom cards format should just be deleted. A lot of people on DuelingBook who talk on public chat and/or Main Menu statuses want custom cards gone because of how it attracts negativity in many angles.[/quote:2rvj879d]

Neither public chat nor main menu should be used for requesting the removal of any duelingbook feature to begin with. That's what the Suggestions section of this forum is for, and any requests of the sort that do get posted to the public chat or main menu, instead of Suggestions, should be ignored and not taken into account.

It's not about whether or not we can include diversity just to maintain the website for a long term anymore. It's about breaking the chain of toxicity with custom cards by deleting the format for good.

As stated earlier, any format will attract some negativity. This isn't exclusive to customs, but I think these formats, including customs, attract far more positivity and creativity, than negativity. We just don't see as many people talking about how positive they find the custom format to be because, well, they're just too busy enjoying the custom format to do that. Meanwhile, the much louder and more negative voices are the ones we might hear the most — talking about how negative they find the custom format — giving us the impression that these small groups of loud voices represent the will of the entire custom card community when they don't.
Extreme toxicity should be handled by punishing/freezing the toxic user(s) in question, not by removing an entire format that so many people including myself have grown to genuinely enjoy. Duelingnetwork was filled with just as much toxicity as duelingbook's customs, if not more, back when duelingnetwork was still around. Some people were leaving duelingbook to go join 4chan because duelingnetwork was getting so toxic that it was starting to make even 4chan look good, and that was all without customs.

It's like that saying: "The loudest are usually the haters"... or... was it "the haters are usually the loudest"?

If the community cannot be promised a healthier custom card format where we don't have to worry about trolls anymore, then perhaps the community does not deserve to have the custom cards format in the first place.

Again, it's the individual toxic users, and users intentionally spreading said toxicity, who don't deserve the custom cards format, not the entire community. Punish those extremely toxic users if necessary, not the toxic users + the good ones.

Also, it's spelled Xteven, not XSteven.

[quote="parhelia_0000":1m35dciz][quote="Wek":1m35dciz][quote="parhelia_0000":1m35dciz]
You know what, that's starting to look like not too bad an idea after all. Since people cannot be trusted to balance the cards themselves, and since the admins are unable to set up an automatic custom card review system, I don't feel that custom cards format should even exist anymore at this point.

Yes, there will still be toxic people on the game, but at the very least by getting rid of custom cards format as a whole, it'll be one less thing the community has to complain about.[/quote:1m35dciz]

Community then proceeds to complain about not having customs anymore.
Just stop trolling customs and stop playing trolls in customs, and suddenly your problems are solved. [/quote:1m35dciz]
I mean, if it means FINALLY breaking the chain of CrystalMusic 2.0/3.0/4.0 etc. in the custom pool, then it's better to deal with complaints about not having custom cards anymore rather than deal with constant reports of trolls in the format.

It's all about choosing the lesser of two evils at this point.[/quote:1m35dciz]

But it doesn't break the chain of trolls, because they're still trolling.
You didn't think this one through very well.

[quote="Christen57":25t3bhqg][quote="Genexwrecker":25t3bhqg]For the love of god please stop quoting the 10 page essay[/quote:25t3bhqg]

What 10 page essay?
[/quote:25t3bhqg]

The mile long quote chains of paragraph after paragraph. That thing I didn't quote when I last replied to you because of the length, and instead of just quoting all like 11 parts of the reply I just mentioned which numbers I replied to.

[quote="Christen57":2diwyexh][quote="parhelia_0000":2diwyexh][quote="Christen57":2diwyexh]

What 10 page essay?



I strongly disagree that the custom format should just be deleted outright just because you find yourself losing interest in it or getting frustrated in it. Lil Oldman pointed out earlier that customs "allow for so much creativity and are such a powerful tool, both for casual/regular players looking for a fun time, aswell as for game card designers, this may be the first experience for lots of people in game design" and I agree with this.

Yes, there are people like the aforementioned CrystalMusic/Chaosprince who refuse any criticism and won't make any effort to make their cards more balanced or at least use problem-solving card text, but I still trust that you and many others like you will try balancing your customs, and people still trust that I'll continue to try balancing mine, so it isn't fair to group everyone as "people who cannot be trusted to balance the cards," at least not just yet.

Getting rid of customs simply because of some mean user(s) will do more harm than good at this point, both for the duelingbook community and for duelingbook itself. For the duelingbook community because if you delete customs simply because of a few trolls or bad apples, those trolls will win and then feel emboldened to bring their toxicity over to other formats like advanced, goat, speed, rush, turbo, etc, to try getting some of those formats deleted as well. For duelingbook itself because duelingbook relies on ads to keep running, and less fun and attractive formats such as customs/tags means less users being attracted to the site, and less users being attracted to the site means less donations/ad revenue, and less donations/ad revenue means less money to keep the site running.



I would rather see these toxic users get slowly but surely frozen or removed from the platform one by one than for all fans of the custom format to be punished.



It's already against the rules to abuse the report feature, whether or not the issue in question is custom format related. Reports about what goes on in duels should be reserved for rated duels for the most part. It makes little sense to report people in unrated sections like the custom/tag sections as you can simply leave with no consequence if don't like what's going on, unless of course they're still breaking major duelingbook rules like severe harassment such as death threats.[/quote:2diwyexh]
You have to understand that it's not just PENMASTER or myself who feel that custom cards format should just be deleted. A lot of people on DuelingBook who talk on public chat and/or Main Menu statuses want custom cards gone because of how it attracts negativity in many angles.[/quote:2diwyexh]

Neither public chat nor main menu should be used for requesting the removal of any duelingbook feature to begin with. That's what the Suggestions section of this forum is for, and any requests of the sort that do get posted to the public chat or main menu, instead of Suggestions, should be ignored and not taken into account.

It's not about whether or not we can include diversity just to maintain the website for a long term anymore. It's about breaking the chain of toxicity with custom cards by deleting the format for good.

As stated earlier, any format will attract some negativity. This isn't exclusive to customs, but I think these formats, including customs, attract far more positivity and creativity, than negativity. We just don't see as many people talking about how positive they find the custom format to be because, well, they're just too busy enjoying the custom format, while the much louder and more negative voices are the ones we might hear the most — talking about how negative they find the custom format — giving us the impression that these small groups of loud voices represent the will entire custom card community when they don't.
Extreme toxicity should be handled by punishing/freezing the toxic user(s) in question, not by removing an entire format that so many people including myself have grown to genuinely enjoy. Duelingnetwork was filled with just as much toxicity as duelingbook's customs, if not more, back when duelingnetwork was still around. Some people were leaving duelingbook to go join 4chan because duelingnetwork was getting so toxic that it was starting to make even 4chan look good, and that was all without customs.

It's like that saying: "The loudest are usually the haters"... or... was it "the haters are usually the loudest"?

If the community cannot be promised a healthier custom card format where we don't have to worry about trolls anymore, then perhaps the community does not deserve to have the custom cards format in the first place.

Again, it's the individual toxic users, and users intentionally spreading said toxicity, who don't deserve the custom cards format, not the entire community. Punish those extremely toxic users if necessary, not the toxic users + the good ones.

Also, it's spelled Xteven, not XSteven.[/quote:2diwyexh]
From the looks of it, I'm suspecting the admins won't be punishing CrystalMusic, Chaosprince, Aroma Girl or Ari Bellamy anytime soon given how the admins don't see broken cards and/or their toxicity as rule-breaking. If that's the case, then perhaps it's better for the admins to focus their attention towards the toxicity within the Advanced format and get rid of custom card format altogether, rather than keep custom cards alive and try to keep the burning train going.

Eventually push will have to come with shove. Admins need to acknowledge sooner or later that custom cards' toxicity will become uncontrollable, and that the downfall of custom cards will be inevitable, whether it be toxic players ruining the format beyond recovery to the point where almost everyone (if not literally everyone) wants custom cards gone, or admins taking action now to break the chain of toxicity by ridding DB of the custom cards format. Need proof? Watch the following videos made by dzeeff and you'll see my point:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpvZLLFZ4nA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IcyDyQK0O0

Christen, I understand that you have good intentions for the custom card community; however, you have to understand sooner or later that you're fighting a losing battle. You have evidence all around you that custom cards will never be truly balanced, toxic players will eventually drive the entire custom card format to the ground (if they haven't already done so), and eventually the community in its majority will want the format gone. Take it however you'd like, but honestly I don't see any redeeming qualities of custom card format at this point.

[quote="Wek":usss3zzt][quote="parhelia_0000":usss3zzt][quote="Wek":usss3zzt]

Community then proceeds to complain about not having customs anymore.
Just stop trolling customs and stop playing trolls in customs, and suddenly your problems are solved. [/quote:usss3zzt]
I mean, if it means FINALLY breaking the chain of CrystalMusic 2.0/3.0/4.0 etc. in the custom pool, then it's better to deal with complaints about not having custom cards anymore rather than deal with constant reports of trolls in the format.

It's all about choosing the lesser of two evils at this point.[/quote:usss3zzt]

But it doesn't break the chain of trolls, because they're still trolling.
You didn't think this one through very well. [/quote:usss3zzt]
At the end of the day, it's better for admins to focus their attention towards the Advanced Format toxicity rather than allow custom cards format to stay alive while toxic players burn the entire format to the ground.

As the local Rush Duelist, I can say that I find it very cringe when people make custom Rush Cards. Making spammy super fast aggro custom rush decks kinda undermines the format's original vision. Rush Duels was designed to be a simpler, slimmed down version of the game for newer players or long-time casual players disillusioned with the original game, like myself. Maybe that vision will be muddied as time goes on, but simplicity was what attracted to me to the format in the first place.

Customs are Gay, Rush Duels are Cray, Play Rush Duels plz, it's so much fun.

[quote="troglyte":61r2o3kz]As the local Rush Duelist, I can say that I find it very cringe when people make custom Rush Cards. Making spammy super fast aggro custom rush decks kinda undermines the format's original vision. Rush Duels was designed to be a simpler, slimmed down version of the game for newer players or long-time casual players disillusioned with the original game, like myself. Maybe that vision will be muddied as time goes on, but simplicity was what attracted to me to the format in the first place.

Customs are Gay, Rush Duels are Cray, Play Rush Duels plz, it's so much fun.[/quote:61r2o3kz]
I have to agree with that. Rush duels I find to be a much better vision of a simpler format where people don't have to worry about dealing with the meta all the time. Custom format has gone on for far too long with the toxicity that never stops, and at this point the only way I see to break that chain of toxicity is to shut down custom cards for good.

[quote="parhelia_0000":l6s1tx3w][quote="greg503":l6s1tx3w][quote="parhelia_0000":l6s1tx3w]
You know what, that's starting to look like not too bad an idea after all. Since people cannot be trusted to balance the cards themselves, and since the admins are unable to set up an automatic custom card review system, I don't feel that custom cards format should even exist anymore at this point.

Yes, there will still be toxic people on the game, but at the very least by getting rid of custom cards format as a whole, it'll be one less thing the community has to complain about.[/quote:l6s1tx3w]
Depends on what Xsteven feels like[/quote:l6s1tx3w]
XSteven, I hope you're keeping track of this thread, because it's becoming clear that the custom card format's toxicity has grown out of control. Said toxicity is already spreading to other formats whether people like it or not. You cannot stop that toxicity, but the least we can do to remediate the issue is to delete the custom card format for good, or at least implement an automatic system that can be enforced that moderates custom cards.

If the community cannot be promised a healthier custom card format where we don't have to worry about trolls anymore, then perhaps the community does not deserve to have the custom cards format in the first place.[/quote:l6s1tx3w]

Why would Xteven be keeping track of a trash thread like this one? A custom troll has made a thread complaining how a format that's not real isn't making them happy and how salty they are about other custom trolls. A cardpool that isn't suffering any serious issues is unlikely to be taken down though, so I'm not too worried about garbage like this thread spreading. I just choose not to duel trolls and I can choose to enjoy the usage of customs instead when I'm in the mood for messing with customs.

[quote="Wek":3g10etz9][quote="parhelia_0000":3g10etz9][quote="greg503":3g10etz9]
Depends on what Xsteven feels like[/quote:3g10etz9]
XSteven, I hope you're keeping track of this thread, because it's becoming clear that the custom card format's toxicity has grown out of control. Said toxicity is already spreading to other formats whether people like it or not. You cannot stop that toxicity, but the least we can do to remediate the issue is to delete the custom card format for good, or at least implement an automatic system that can be enforced that moderates custom cards.

If the community cannot be promised a healthier custom card format where we don't have to worry about trolls anymore, then perhaps the community does not deserve to have the custom cards format in the first place.[/quote:3g10etz9]

Why would Xteven be keeping track of a trash thread like this one? A custom troll has made a thread complaining how a format that's not real isn't making them happy and how salty they are about other custom trolls. A cardpool that isn't suffering any serious issues is unlikely to be taken down though, so I'm not too worried about garbage like this thread spreading. I just choose not to duel trolls and I can choose to enjoy the usage of customs instead when I'm in the mood for messing with customs.[/quote:3g10etz9]
I'm done with you accusing me as a troll. I'm blocking you, goodbye.

If you still don't believe that custom cards needs to be deleted, please watch this replay. This just proves that you cannot reason with people who refuse to learn. https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=37528-36059412

If this replay doesn't prove that custom cards needs to be shut down, I don't know what will. 'Cause as long as there's no one policing the custom card pool, we'll always have to dread of these toxic players who ruin the entire format for the rest of us. It's better off that we shut it down for good.

Then dont deal with them. You're talking as if you are being forced to deal with them. You will always run into good and bad people. Removing an entire game mode just because you cant deal with a type of users is unreasonable, not to mention that there's people who don't mind these experiences or use dB Customs as a platform for their own private matches.

This is my open letter to Xteven, Genexwrecker and other administrators:

I don't know what was going through your mind when you created the custom card format in DB, but troglyte, PENMASTER and I believe that the format has created more negativity than positivity in the game. We're seeing too many incidents time and again where people bring in broken cards that ruin the format for others, forcing people like me to make broken cards just to be able to survive that format or just lose. Attempts were made to balance the format by many others, to no avail. The majority of custom card servers never make it through the first few months for this very reason.

It's not just a small handful of people who ruin the custom card format for the rest of us anymore. Now, the toxicity has spread throughout, with more and more people creating broken custom cards to the point where custom card format can be renamed "broken card format." It's turned from a fair competition of fair and balanced games into "who can create the most ridiculous, broken card" contest. Attempts were made to convince these people to balance their cards; however, such reasoning only fell on deaf ears, with people arguing that "it's custom cards, I can do whatever I want."

Even for an unranked format, this is too much toxicity that the rest of us have to deal with. Nobody should have to deal with this toxicity in the game, and troglyte, PENMASTER and I believe that this has gone on for far too long.

On behalf of the rest of DB community that want this platform to thrive and survive as a healthier Yugioh website, I am strongly urging the admins, including Xteven, to strongly consider shutting down the custom card format and purging any and all custom cards that have been made thus far in the game. I understand that the custom card lovers will not want to see this happen; however, this is a recommendation that I am not making lightly. PENMASTER, troglyte, dzeeff, and many others all feel that it'll do more harm than good in terms of long-term logistics to try and keep custom cards format alive. We feel that it is best for the admins to focus their attention towards formats that are official, rather than try to create other formats that will only serve as places where people can spread toxicity and hate towards others.

The recent replay that I've posted above should serve as proof that toxic players ruining the custom cards for others has also soured my relationship with the custom card format. As much as I'd love to see the custom cards remain on the website, I must take the need of others' mental health and enjoyment of the game into consideration. Yugioh should be a game where people can have fun, and unfortunately, custom card format does not do any good to contribute to such cause. Please consider.

Thank you,
parhelia_0000

[quote="parhelia_0000":2ixfzb52]This is my open letter to Xteven, Genexwrecker and other administrators:

I don't know what was going through your mind when you created the custom card format in DB, but troglyte, PENMASTER and I believe that the format has created more negativity than positivity in the game. We're seeing too many incidents time and again where people bring in broken cards that ruin the format for others, forcing people like me to make broken cards just to be able to survive that format or just lose. Attempts were made to balance the format by many others, to no avail. The majority of custom card servers never make it through the first few months for this very reason.

It's not just a small handful of people who ruin the custom card format for the rest of us anymore. Now, the toxicity has spread throughout, with more and more people creating broken custom cards to the point where custom card format can be renamed "broken card format." It's turned from a fair competition of fair and balanced games into "who can create the most ridiculous, broken card" contest. Attempts were made to convince these people to balance their cards; however, such reasoning only fell on deaf ears, with people arguing that "it's custom cards, I can do whatever I want."

Even for an unranked format, this is too much toxicity that the rest of us have to deal with. Nobody should have to deal with this toxicity in the game, and troglyte, PENMASTER and I believe that this has gone on for far too long.

On behalf of the rest of DB community that want this platform to thrive and survive as a healthier Yugioh website, I am strongly urging the admins, including Xteven, to strongly consider shutting down the custom card format and purging any and all custom cards that have been made thus far in the game. I understand that the custom card lovers will not want to see this happen; however, this is a recommendation that I am not making lightly. PENMASTER, troglyte, dzeeff, and many others all feel that it'll do more harm than good in terms of long-term logistics to try and keep custom cards format alive. We feel that it is best for the admins to focus their attention towards formats that are official, rather than try to create other formats that will only serve as places where people can spread toxicity and hate towards others.

The recent replay that I've posted above should serve as proof that toxic players ruining the custom cards for others has also soured my relationship with the custom card format. As much as I'd love to see the custom cards remain on the website, I must take the need of others' mental health and enjoyment of the game into consideration. Yugioh should be a game where people can have fun, and unfortunately, custom card format does not do any good to contribute to such cause. Please consider.

Thank you,
parhelia_0000[/quote:2ixfzb52]
Lmao

[quote="Lil Oldman":2u90s5tu][quote="parhelia_0000":2u90s5tu]This is my open letter to Xteven, Genexwrecker and other administrators:

I don't know what was going through your mind when you created the custom card format in DB, but troglyte, PENMASTER and I believe that the format has created more negativity than positivity in the game. We're seeing too many incidents time and again where people bring in broken cards that ruin the format for others, forcing people like me to make broken cards just to be able to survive that format or just lose. Attempts were made to balance the format by many others, to no avail. The majority of custom card servers never make it through the first few months for this very reason.

It's not just a small handful of people who ruin the custom card format for the rest of us anymore. Now, the toxicity has spread throughout, with more and more people creating broken custom cards to the point where custom card format can be renamed "broken card format." It's turned from a fair competition of fair and balanced games into "who can create the most ridiculous, broken card" contest. Attempts were made to convince these people to balance their cards; however, such reasoning only fell on deaf ears, with people arguing that "it's custom cards, I can do whatever I want."

Even for an unranked format, this is too much toxicity that the rest of us have to deal with. Nobody should have to deal with this toxicity in the game, and troglyte, PENMASTER and I believe that this has gone on for far too long.

On behalf of the rest of DB community that want this platform to thrive and survive as a healthier Yugioh website, I am strongly urging the admins, including Xteven, to strongly consider shutting down the custom card format and purging any and all custom cards that have been made thus far in the game. I understand that the custom card lovers will not want to see this happen; however, this is a recommendation that I am not making lightly. PENMASTER, troglyte, dzeeff, and many others all feel that it'll do more harm than good in terms of long-term logistics to try and keep custom cards format alive. We feel that it is best for the admins to focus their attention towards formats that are official, rather than try to create other formats that will only serve as places where people can spread toxicity and hate towards others.

The recent replay that I've posted above should serve as proof that toxic players ruining the custom cards for others has also soured my relationship with the custom card format. As much as I'd love to see the custom cards remain on the website, I must take the need of others' mental health and enjoyment of the game into consideration. Yugioh should be a game where people can have fun, and unfortunately, custom card format does not do any good to contribute to such cause. Please consider.

Thank you,
parhelia_0000[/quote:2u90s5tu]
Lmao[/quote:2u90s5tu]
The admins will be doing themselves a favor by deleting the custom cards format. No more having to deal with CrystalMusic in the custom card format, no more arguments about card balance, no more having to complain about players who use custom cards as an excuse to attack others, etc.

In the long-term logistics, it's better that the custom cards format be purged. By trying to keep the custom card format alive, you're fighting a losing battle where eventually, only the toxic players will reign supreme in that format ANYWAY. It's better off that we shut it down before things get further out of hand.

[quote="parhelia_0000":1m7qjs0s]If you still don't believe that custom cards needs to be deleted, please watch this replay. This just proves that you cannot reason with people who refuse to learn. https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=37528-36059412

If this replay doesn't prove that custom cards needs to be shut down, I don't know what will. 'Cause as long as there's no one policing the custom card pool, we'll always have to dread of these toxic players who ruin the entire format for the rest of us. It's better off that we shut it down for good.[/quote:1m7qjs0s]

Yeah, that parhelia_0000 troll could be a problem. A monster that can summon itself, bring out something from deck, then something from extraeck, then draw a card, all at once? An equip with turn skipping capacities that is also a searcher? Very OP. Not sure why that other guy bothered to duel them, but hey, if two trolls want to mess around, whatever.

But hey, it's not as though this part is wrong. "This just proves that you cannot reason with people who refuse to learn." Anyways, eventually this is going to be no better than the various Sound4 threads, so I guess squeeze whatever lulz you want to out of this before it gets too boring.

[quote="Wek":3b2jwy9j][quote="parhelia_0000":3b2jwy9j]If you still don't believe that custom cards needs to be deleted, please watch this replay. This just proves that you cannot reason with people who refuse to learn. https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=37528-36059412

If this replay doesn't prove that custom cards needs to be shut down, I don't know what will. 'Cause as long as there's no one policing the custom card pool, we'll always have to dread of these toxic players who ruin the entire format for the rest of us. It's better off that we shut it down for good.[/quote:3b2jwy9j]

Yeah, that parhelia_0000 troll could be a problem. A monster that can summon itself, bring out something from deck, then something from extraeck, then draw a card, all at once? An equip with turn skipping capacities that is also a searcher? Very OP. Not sure why that other guy bothered to duel them, but hey, if two trolls want to mess around, whatever.

But hey, it's not as though this part is wrong. "This just proves that you cannot reason with people who refuse to learn." Anyways, eventually this is going to be no better than the various Sound4 threads, so I guess squeeze whatever lulz you want to out of this before it gets too boring.[/quote:3b2jwy9j]

[quote="parhelia_0000":29t7s6fn][quote="Lil Oldman":29t7s6fn][quote="parhelia_0000":29t7s6fn]This is my open letter to Xteven, Genexwrecker and other administrators:

I don't know what was going through your mind when you created the custom card format in DB, but troglyte, PENMASTER and I believe that the format has created more negativity than positivity in the game. We're seeing too many incidents time and again where people bring in broken cards that ruin the format for others, forcing people like me to make broken cards just to be able to survive that format or just lose. Attempts were made to balance the format by many others, to no avail. The majority of custom card servers never make it through the first few months for this very reason.

It's not just a small handful of people who ruin the custom card format for the rest of us anymore. Now, the toxicity has spread throughout, with more and more people creating broken custom cards to the point where custom card format can be renamed "broken card format." It's turned from a fair competition of fair and balanced games into "who can create the most ridiculous, broken card" contest. Attempts were made to convince these people to balance their cards; however, such reasoning only fell on deaf ears, with people arguing that "it's custom cards, I can do whatever I want."

Even for an unranked format, this is too much toxicity that the rest of us have to deal with. Nobody should have to deal with this toxicity in the game, and troglyte, PENMASTER and I believe that this has gone on for far too long.

On behalf of the rest of DB community that want this platform to thrive and survive as a healthier Yugioh website, I am strongly urging the admins, including Xteven, to strongly consider shutting down the custom card format and purging any and all custom cards that have been made thus far in the game. I understand that the custom card lovers will not want to see this happen; however, this is a recommendation that I am not making lightly. PENMASTER, troglyte, dzeeff, and many others all feel that it'll do more harm than good in terms of long-term logistics to try and keep custom cards format alive. We feel that it is best for the admins to focus their attention towards formats that are official, rather than try to create other formats that will only serve as places where people can spread toxicity and hate towards others.

The recent replay that I've posted above should serve as proof that toxic players ruining the custom cards for others has also soured my relationship with the custom card format. As much as I'd love to see the custom cards remain on the website, I must take the need of others' mental health and enjoyment of the game into consideration. Yugioh should be a game where people can have fun, and unfortunately, custom card format does not do any good to contribute to such cause. Please consider.

Thank you,
parhelia_0000[/quote:29t7s6fn]
Lmao[/quote:29t7s6fn]
The admins will be doing themselves a favor by deleting the custom cards format. No more having to deal with CrystalMusic in the custom card format, no more arguments about card balance, no more having to complain about players who use custom cards as an excuse to attack others, etc.

In the long-term logistics, it's better that the custom cards format be purged. By trying to keep the custom card format alive, you're fighting a losing battle where eventually, only the toxic players will reign supreme in that format ANYWAY. It's better off that we shut it down before things get further out of hand.[/quote:29t7s6fn]
All staff in dB and most users in general know that Customs isn't a healthy format. Fact is, it never was supposed to, nor is an actual format. The feature is a toy for people to mess around with, Genex even stated this themselves.

Saying "Oh, mods will get rid of annoying users like ___ or ___ or even ___ if they take out customs." is just stupid. Stupid users that break the rules should be dealt with, regardless of where they lurk. By that logic then just take down dB entirely, disregard all the people who enjoy or do good with the platform.

[quote="parhelia_0000":tn1ngbn6][quote="Wek":tn1ngbn6][quote="parhelia_0000":tn1ngbn6]If you still don't believe that custom cards needs to be deleted, please watch this replay. This just proves that you cannot reason with people who refuse to learn. https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=37528-36059412

If this replay doesn't prove that custom cards needs to be shut down, I don't know what will. 'Cause as long as there's no one policing the custom card pool, we'll always have to dread of these toxic players who ruin the entire format for the rest of us. It's better off that we shut it down for good.[/quote:tn1ngbn6]

Yeah, that parhelia_0000 troll could be a problem. A monster that can summon itself, bring out something from deck, then something from extraeck, then draw a card, all at once? An equip with turn skipping capacities that is also a searcher? Very OP. Not sure why that other guy bothered to duel them, but hey, if two trolls want to mess around, whatever.

But hey, it's not as though this part is wrong. "This just proves that you cannot reason with people who refuse to learn." Anyways, eventually this is going to be no better than the various Sound4 threads, so I guess squeeze whatever lulz you want to out of this before it gets too boring.[/quote:tn1ngbn6]
[/quote:tn1ngbn6]

[quote="Lil Oldman":339g1ynw][quote="parhelia_0000":339g1ynw][quote="Lil Oldman":339g1ynw]
Lmao[/quote:339g1ynw]
The admins will be doing themselves a favor by deleting the custom cards format. No more having to deal with CrystalMusic in the custom card format, no more arguments about card balance, no more having to complain about players who use custom cards as an excuse to attack others, etc.

In the long-term logistics, it's better that the custom cards format be purged. By trying to keep the custom card format alive, you're fighting a losing battle where eventually, only the toxic players will reign supreme in that format ANYWAY. It's better off that we shut it down before things get further out of hand.[/quote:339g1ynw]
All staff in dB and most users in general know that Customs isn't a healthy format. Fact is, it never was supposed to, nor is an actual format. The feature is a toy for people to mess around with, Genex even stated this themselves.

Saying "Oh, mods will get rid of annoying users like ___ or ___ or even ___ if they take out customs." is just stupid. Stupid users that break the rules should be dealt with, regardless of where they lurk. By that logic then just take down dB entirely, disregard all the people who enjoy or do good with the platform.[/quote:339g1ynw]
Perhaps Genex should've thought this through better. You need to understand that this toy is being used for malicious purposes in so many ways. 99% of the customs being broken or insta-win is already bad enough. We don't need that toxicity to linger about and ruin everyone else's enjoyment of DB this way. Either way, custom card format is gonna go down in flames anyway. It's better off that custom cards be shut down in our own terms to ensure that the toxicity is contained in some ways. At least it'll be better than doing nothing and allowing this toxicity to continue.

And in order to lead by example to prove a point, I will, effective immediately, be pulling all custom cards I've made out of DB. This means I'll be deleting all of the custom cards I've made thus far, just to prove to everyone that I'm not a hypocrite.

ok so i see my joke post about deleting customs being used for stuff and I'm here to say customs just highlights a lot of bad bits of the community and just leave games with trolls unless you wanna fuck with them like what I do sometimes or just stay out of it customs is a joke we can all agree there no fixing them just ignore it and move on although if you really wanna have fun playing customs just play with close friends that you know arent stupid only real way to not run into most of those problems most of this format is self inflicted pain at least everyone else but a few people know this also when I make 1 joke post it doesn't mean people should just hop on and treat it like a real point and then quote me as a supporter an actual thing I think is customs should be moved to something you don't instantly see in the duel room like just switch it and traditional

[quote="parhelia_0000":gtwpikdp][quote="Lil Oldman":gtwpikdp][quote="parhelia_0000":gtwpikdp]
The admins will be doing themselves a favor by deleting the custom cards format. No more having to deal with CrystalMusic in the custom card format, no more arguments about card balance, no more having to complain about players who use custom cards as an excuse to attack others, etc.

In the long-term logistics, it's better that the custom cards format be purged. By trying to keep the custom card format alive, you're fighting a losing battle where eventually, only the toxic players will reign supreme in that format ANYWAY. It's better off that we shut it down before things get further out of hand.[/quote:gtwpikdp]
All staff in dB and most users in general know that Customs isn't a healthy format. Fact is, it never was supposed to, nor is an actual format. The feature is a toy for people to mess around with, Genex even stated this themselves.

Saying "Oh, mods will get rid of annoying users like ___ or ___ or even ___ if they take out customs." is just stupid. Stupid users that break the rules should be dealt with, regardless of where they lurk. By that logic then just take down dB entirely, disregard all the people who enjoy or do good with the platform.[/quote:gtwpikdp]
Perhaps Genex should've thought this through better. You need to understand that this toy is being used for malicious purposes in so many ways. 99% of the customs being broken or insta-win is already bad enough. We don't need that toxicity to linger about and ruin everyone else's enjoyment of DB this way. Either way, custom card format is gonna go down in flames anyway. It's better off that custom cards be shut down in our own terms to ensure that the toxicity is contained in some ways. At least it'll be better than doing nothing and allowing this toxicity to continue.[/quote:gtwpikdp]
Honey, the thing went down in flames in day 1 and look at us, we are fine. Some users are enjoying the feature in their own way, what a greek tragedy, as long as they aren't hurting anyone, then they are allowed to have fun, you and your broken decks certainly did.

[quote="Lil Oldman":z36w14fe][quote="parhelia_0000":z36w14fe][quote="Lil Oldman":z36w14fe]
All staff in dB and most users in general know that Customs isn't a healthy format. Fact is, it never was supposed to, nor is an actual format. The feature is a toy for people to mess around with, Genex even stated this themselves.

Saying "Oh, mods will get rid of annoying users like ___ or ___ or even ___ if they take out customs." is just stupid. Stupid users that break the rules should be dealt with, regardless of where they lurk. By that logic then just take down dB entirely, disregard all the people who enjoy or do good with the platform.[/quote:z36w14fe]
Perhaps Genex should've thought this through better. You need to understand that this toy is being used for malicious purposes in so many ways. 99% of the customs being broken or insta-win is already bad enough. We don't need that toxicity to linger about and ruin everyone else's enjoyment of DB this way. Either way, custom card format is gonna go down in flames anyway. It's better off that custom cards be shut down in our own terms to ensure that the toxicity is contained in some ways. At least it'll be better than doing nothing and allowing this toxicity to continue.[/quote:z36w14fe]
Honey, the thing went down in flames in day 1 and look at us, we are fine. Some users are enjoying the feature in their own way, what a greek tragedy, as long as they aren't hurting anyone, then they are allowed to have fun, you and your broken decks certainly did.[/quote:z36w14fe]
If you guys insist on keeping the custom card format alive, I want no part of it. I'll be deleting all of my custom cards in the coming days.

Enjoy the format while you can, 'cause nothing lasts forever.

[quote="parhelia_0000":yiuj8llq][quote="Lil Oldman":yiuj8llq][quote="parhelia_0000":yiuj8llq]
Perhaps Genex should've thought this through better. You need to understand that this toy is being used for malicious purposes in so many ways. 99% of the customs being broken or insta-win is already bad enough. We don't need that toxicity to linger about and ruin everyone else's enjoyment of DB this way. Either way, custom card format is gonna go down in flames anyway. It's better off that custom cards be shut down in our own terms to ensure that the toxicity is contained in some ways. At least it'll be better than doing nothing and allowing this toxicity to continue.[/quote:yiuj8llq]
Honey, the thing went down in flames in day 1 and look at us, we are fine. Some users are enjoying the feature in their own way, what a greek tragedy, as long as they aren't hurting anyone, then they are allowed to have fun, you and your broken decks certainly did.[/quote:yiuj8llq]
If you guys insist on keeping the custom card format alive, I want no part of it. I'll be deleting all of my custom cards in the coming days.

Enjoy the format while you can, 'cause nothing lasts forever.[/quote:yiuj8llq]
after like 4 pages of banter and 10-page posts you've finally found the answer

[quote="PENMASTER":2x12yc7g] when I make 1 joke post it doesn't mean people should just hop on and treat it like a real point and then quote me as a supporter[/quote:2x12yc7g]

Don't worry, parhelia_0000 is just one user. I wouldn't be too worried about what they think. Most of us know better than to take them seriously, so them dragging around names in their quotes isn't going to mess with much.

[quote="parhelia_0000":1aqozy1m]And in order to lead by example to prove a point, I will, effective immediately, be pulling all custom cards I've made out of DB. This means I'll be deleting all of the custom cards I've made thus far, just to prove to everyone that I'm not a hypocrite.[/quote:1aqozy1m]

[quote="parhelia_0000":1aqozy1m]
If you guys insist on keeping the custom card format alive, I want no part of it. I'll be deleting all of my custom cards in the coming days. [/quote:1aqozy1m]

We went from "effective immediately" to "in the coming days"

Wonder if it'll be "in the coming weeks" next

[quote="Wek":cxh0yaa0][quote="parhelia_0000":cxh0yaa0]And in order to lead by example to prove a point, I will, effective immediately, be pulling all custom cards I've made out of DB. This means I'll be deleting all of the custom cards I've made thus far, just to prove to everyone that I'm not a hypocrite.[/quote:cxh0yaa0]

[quote="parhelia_0000":cxh0yaa0]
If you guys insist on keeping the custom card format alive, I want no part of it. I'll be deleting all of my custom cards in the coming days. [/quote:cxh0yaa0]

We went from "effective immediately" to "in the coming days"

Wonder if it'll be "in the coming weeks" next [/quote:cxh0yaa0]
And you were saying?

Wow

[quote="parhelia_0000":3piiwgat]This is my open letter to Xteven, Genexwrecker and other administrators:

I don't know what was going through your mind when you created the custom card format in DB, but troglyte, PENMASTER and I believe that the format has created more negativity than positivity in the game. We're seeing too many incidents time and again where people bring in broken cards that ruin the format for others, forcing people like me to make broken cards just to be able to survive that format or just lose. Attempts were made to balance the format by many others, to no avail. The majority of custom card servers never make it through the first few months for this very reason.

It's not just a small handful of people who ruin the custom card format for the rest of us anymore. Now, the toxicity has spread throughout, with more and more people creating broken custom cards to the point where custom card format can be renamed "broken card format." It's turned from a fair competition of fair and balanced games into "who can create the most ridiculous, broken card" contest. Attempts were made to convince these people to balance their cards; however, such reasoning only fell on deaf ears, with people arguing that "it's custom cards, I can do whatever I want."

Even for an unranked format, this is too much toxicity that the rest of us have to deal with. Nobody should have to deal with this toxicity in the game, and troglyte, PENMASTER and I believe that this has gone on for far too long.

On behalf of the rest of DB community that want this platform to thrive and survive as a healthier Yugioh website, I am strongly urging the admins, including Xteven, to strongly consider shutting down the custom card format and purging any and all custom cards that have been made thus far in the game. I understand that the custom card lovers will not want to see this happen; however, this is a recommendation that I am not making lightly. PENMASTER, troglyte, dzeeff, and many others all feel that it'll do more harm than good in terms of long-term logistics to try and keep custom cards format alive. We feel that it is best for the admins to focus their attention towards formats that are official, rather than try to create other formats that will only serve as places where people can spread toxicity and hate towards others.

The recent replay that I've posted above should serve as proof that toxic players ruining the custom cards for others has also soured my relationship with the custom card format. As much as I'd love to see the custom cards remain on the website, I must take the need of others' mental health and enjoyment of the game into consideration. Yugioh should be a game where people can have fun, and unfortunately, custom card format does not do any good to contribute to such cause. Please consider.

Thank you,
parhelia_0000[/quote:3piiwgat]
I don't know if these other people actually agree, we'll have to wait and (hopefully) see.

[quote="greg503":3cnkvaxb][quote="parhelia_0000":3cnkvaxb]This is my open letter to Xteven, Genexwrecker and other administrators:

I don't know what was going through your mind when you created the custom card format in DB, but troglyte, PENMASTER and I believe that the format has created more negativity than positivity in the game. We're seeing too many incidents time and again where people bring in broken cards that ruin the format for others, forcing people like me to make broken cards just to be able to survive that format or just lose. Attempts were made to balance the format by many others, to no avail. The majority of custom card servers never make it through the first few months for this very reason.

It's not just a small handful of people who ruin the custom card format for the rest of us anymore. Now, the toxicity has spread throughout, with more and more people creating broken custom cards to the point where custom card format can be renamed "broken card format." It's turned from a fair competition of fair and balanced games into "who can create the most ridiculous, broken card" contest. Attempts were made to convince these people to balance their cards; however, such reasoning only fell on deaf ears, with people arguing that "it's custom cards, I can do whatever I want."

Even for an unranked format, this is too much toxicity that the rest of us have to deal with. Nobody should have to deal with this toxicity in the game, and troglyte, PENMASTER and I believe that this has gone on for far too long.

On behalf of the rest of DB community that want this platform to thrive and survive as a healthier Yugioh website, I am strongly urging the admins, including Xteven, to strongly consider shutting down the custom card format and purging any and all custom cards that have been made thus far in the game. I understand that the custom card lovers will not want to see this happen; however, this is a recommendation that I am not making lightly. PENMASTER, troglyte, dzeeff, and many others all feel that it'll do more harm than good in terms of long-term logistics to try and keep custom cards format alive. We feel that it is best for the admins to focus their attention towards formats that are official, rather than try to create other formats that will only serve as places where people can spread toxicity and hate towards others.

The recent replay that I've posted above should serve as proof that toxic players ruining the custom cards for others has also soured my relationship with the custom card format. As much as I'd love to see the custom cards remain on the website, I must take the need of others' mental health and enjoyment of the game into consideration. Yugioh should be a game where people can have fun, and unfortunately, custom card format does not do any good to contribute to such cause. Please consider.

Thank you,
parhelia_0000[/quote:3cnkvaxb]
I don't know if these other people actually agree, we'll have to wait and (hopefully) see.[/quote:3cnkvaxb]
It won't matter. I'm done with Yugioh at this point.

[quote="greg503":3uzzudia][/quote:3uzzudia]
I don't know if these other people actually agree, we'll have to wait and (hopefully) see.[/quote]

What do you mean (hopefully)? It's not like it matters either way, though Penmaster already commented that they had been making a joke.

welp, can't wait for an objetion.lol thing to come out from this mess.

[quote="parhelia_0000":1fnfqpe3][quote="Christen57":1fnfqpe3][quote="parhelia_0000":1fnfqpe3]
You have to understand that it's not just PENMASTER or myself who feel that custom cards format should just be deleted. A lot of people on DuelingBook who talk on public chat and/or Main Menu statuses want custom cards gone because of how it attracts negativity in many angles.[/quote:1fnfqpe3]

Neither public chat nor main menu should be used for requesting the removal of any duelingbook feature to begin with. That's what the Suggestions section of this forum is for, and any requests of the sort that do get posted to the public chat or main menu, instead of Suggestions, should be ignored and not taken into account.

It's not about whether or not we can include diversity just to maintain the website for a long term anymore. It's about breaking the chain of toxicity with custom cards by deleting the format for good.

As stated earlier, any format will attract some negativity. This isn't exclusive to customs, but I think these formats, including customs, attract far more positivity and creativity, than negativity. We just don't see as many people talking about how positive they find the custom format to be because, well, they're just too busy enjoying the custom format, while the much louder and more negative voices are the ones we might hear the most — talking about how negative they find the custom format — giving us the impression that these small groups of loud voices represent the will entire custom card community when they don't.
Extreme toxicity should be handled by punishing/freezing the toxic user(s) in question, not by removing an entire format that so many people including myself have grown to genuinely enjoy. Duelingnetwork was filled with just as much toxicity as duelingbook's customs, if not more, back when duelingnetwork was still around. Some people were leaving duelingbook to go join 4chan because duelingnetwork was getting so toxic that it was starting to make even 4chan look good, and that was all without customs.

It's like that saying: "The loudest are usually the haters"... or... was it "the haters are usually the loudest"?

If the community cannot be promised a healthier custom card format where we don't have to worry about trolls anymore, then perhaps the community does not deserve to have the custom cards format in the first place.

Again, it's the individual toxic users, and users intentionally spreading said toxicity, who don't deserve the custom cards format, not the entire community. Punish those extremely toxic users if necessary, not the toxic users + the good ones.

Also, it's spelled Xteven, not XSteven.[/quote:1fnfqpe3]
From the looks of it, I'm suspecting the admins won't be punishing CrystalMusic, Chaosprince, Aroma Girl or Ari Bellamy anytime soon given how the admins don't see broken cards and/or their toxicity as rule-breaking. If that's the case, then perhaps it's better for the admins to focus their attention towards the toxicity within the Advanced format and get rid of custom card format altogether, rather than keep custom cards alive and try to keep the burning train going.[/quote:1fnfqpe3]

Okay, I'm not sure about Chaosprince and Aroma Girl specifically, but I know that CrystalMusic's already been warned by Genexwrecker (and possibly by other judges as well) that further toxicity/harassment won't be tolerated, and I looked at a few of Ari Bellamy's cards since he/she seems to have made them public. That user's cards seemed somewhat balanced and have decent problem-solving card text for the most part. I even saw him/her dueling in the custom format earlier today. His/her cards were pretty strong, with her strongest card I saw being a 3000 atk monster that can attack directly, but I was expecting his/her cards to be far more broken, or at least as broken as yours were, and they weren't. [url:1fnfqpe3]https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=36063094[/url:1fnfqpe3]

So I would say (at least for now) that, out of CrystalMusic, Chaosprince, Aroma Girl, and Ari Bellamy, Ari Bellamy is the least problematic, and least toxic, of the 4.

Eventually push will have to come with shove. Admins need to acknowledge sooner or later that custom cards' toxicity will become uncontrollable, and that the downfall of custom cards will be inevitable, whether it be toxic players ruining the format beyond recovery to the point where almost everyone (if not literally everyone) wants custom cards gone, or admins taking action now to break the chain of toxicity by ridding DB of the custom cards format. Need proof? Watch the following videos made by dzeeff and you'll see my point:
[url:1fnfqpe3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpvZLLFZ4nA[/url:1fnfqpe3]
[url:1fnfqpe3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IcyDyQK0O0[/url:1fnfqpe3]

Neither of these youtube videos prove that the custom format as a whole should be removed, only that there happen to be quite a few terrible customs out there with little to no problem-solving card text, 9999 atk/def monsters, effects written in all caps, and so on.

Christen, I understand that you have good intentions for the custom card community; however, you have to understand sooner or later that you're fighting a losing battle. You have evidence all around you that custom cards will never be truly balanced, toxic players will eventually drive the entire custom card format to the ground (if they haven't already done so), and eventually the community in its majority will want the format gone.

Toxic players will eventually drive the custom format to the ground? The community in it's majority will want the format gone? I'd rather wait until those toxic players actually drive the custom format to the ground, and until that majority actually starts wanting the format gone, before deciding whether or not the custom format should really go. Until then, I haven't seen either of these prophecies of yours come true yet (which still gives me hope), nor do I see either of them coming true any time soon, so I'm not going to worry about that yet.

Take it however you'd like, but honestly I don't see any redeeming qualities of custom card format at this point.

Well I do, and so does Lil Oldman, Wek, CustomWalker, james123, KTeknis, and many others, including those people who were in your duel I mentioned earlier — those opponents and your teamate who you locked out of playing the game. Those 3 still saw redeeming qualities in customs too, which is why they didn't bother making any broken locking-out stuff like what you made.

Besides, people also tend to use the custom format to try testing out cards that'll be officially released to the OCG/TCG at some point but just haven't yet been added to duelingbook. I saw this happen with the Floowandereeze archetype. That archetype wasn't yet on duelingbook, so people created it as customs to test them until Xteven added them to duelingbook officially. It isn't right to punish these people who are only using customs to test soon-to-be-released cards.

If you still don't believe that custom cards needs to be deleted, please watch this replay. This just proves that you cannot reason with people who refuse to learn. https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=37528-36059412

If this replay doesn't prove that custom cards needs to be shut down, I don't know what will. 'Cause as long as there's no one policing the custom card pool, we'll always have to dread of these toxic players who ruin the entire format for the rest of us. It's better off that we shut it down for good.

If people stubbornly refuse to learn, you avoid them until they do. Wek and Lil Oldman told you this already. The only issue I'm seeing here is you keep cherrypicking and focusing only on the few duels here and there where people use extremely broken cards but ignoring the many duels where that's not the case. In other words, you're letting your Confirmation Bias get the better of you. Confirmation Bias is, in this case, you looking only at the duels with extremely broken customs to support your view that this is what the entire custom format has become, but ignore the duels with the far less broken customs since those contradict your point instead of supporting it. If all you look for is the toxicity, then the toxicity is all you'll find.

This is my open letter to Xteven, Genexwrecker and other administrators:

I don't know what was going through your mind when you created the custom card format in DB, but troglyte, PENMASTER and I believe that the format has created more negativity than positivity in the game.

I don't know why you're trying to drag troglyte and PENMASTER into this. So far, troglyte simply said customs were "gay," prefers rush duels, and is only against custom rush cards specifically. He hasn't yet said anything about actually agreeing with you that customs should be shut down outright. PENMASTER suggested deleting customs but has since come forward and admitted he was joking when he said that, so he isn't serious about wanting customs shut down either.

We're seeing too many incidents time and again where people bring in broken cards that ruin the format for others, forcing people like me to make broken cards just to be able to survive that format or just lose. Attempts were made to balance the format by many others, to no avail. The majority of custom card servers never make it through the first few months for this very reason.

It's not just a small handful of people who ruin the custom card format for the rest of us anymore. Now, the toxicity has spread throughout, with more and more people creating broken custom cards to the point where custom card format can be renamed "broken card format." It's turned from a fair competition of fair and balanced games into "who can create the most ridiculous, broken card" contest.

The same thing can be said about advanced format. People bring in broken and unfun cards like Mystic Mine, and bring decks that spam multiple boss monsters with omni-negates and whatnot, that ruin the format for others, forcing people like me to resort to trying out cheap strategies myself just to be able to survive that format. Attempts were made to balance advanced as well, with that also being to no avail, as discords servers trying these also failed to make it through the first few months.

Advanced format's been feeling like broken card format too to many people, turning games into "who can make the most broken board turn 1". What you keep complaining about isn't exclusive to customs.

On behalf of the rest of DB community that want this platform to thrive and survive as a healthier Yugioh website, I am strongly urging the admins, including Xteven, to strongly consider shutting down the custom card format and purging any and all custom cards that have been made thus far in the game.

Don't give us that "On behalf of the rest of DB community" crap. You're the only one so far who feels this strongly about what you believe in. I explained why troglyte and PENMASTER don't count (at least not until they openly state they do agree with what you're saying) and I explained why the random users in public chat and main menu don't count either.

As for Dzeeff, it turns out that he's also not entirely on board with doing away with the custom card format. Yes, you did link me to these two videos made by him:

[list:1fnfqpe3][*:1fnfqpe3][url:1fnfqpe3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpvZLLFZ4nA[/url:1fnfqpe3][/*:m:1fnfqpe3]
[*:1fnfqpe3][url:1fnfqpe3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IcyDyQK0O0[/url:1fnfqpe3][/*:m:1fnfqpe3][/list:u:1fnfqpe3]

but those videos were from December 2018 and February 2019 respectively. Since then, Dzeeff made a new video in September 2019 continuing to review custom cards, and this time, he reviews cards he finds to be much better designed then the cards he reviewed in those older videos you linked to. [url:1fnfqpe3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3ShhV5zkAE[/url:1fnfqpe3]

So, it makes no sense for him to continue reviewing customs (especially when, this time, he's expressing far more positivity than before) if he truly believed that the custom format was pointless and was in agreement that it should be shut down. All he said about the custom format anyway was something along the lines of how he was going to take a break from reviewing customs since too many people were sending him so many cards and overwhelming him with requests to review each one, not that he was in any sort of agreement that the format should be shut down. The fact that he took the time to make this new video about better-designed customs shows that he still has hope in the custom format like myself and Lil Oldman do.

We feel that it is best for the admins to focus their attention towards formats that are official, rather than try to create other formats that will only serve as places where people can spread toxicity and hate towards others.

The recent replay that I've posted above should serve as proof that toxic players ruining the custom cards for others has also soured my relationship with the custom card format. As much as I'd love to see the custom cards remain on the website, I must take the need of others' mental health and enjoyment of the game into consideration. Yugioh should be a game where people can have fun, and unfortunately, custom card format does not do any good to contribute to such cause. Please consider.

Thank you,
parhelia_0000

I would argue that advanced format tends to be just as frustrating, if not more, than custom format. In custom format, if someone's being a scumbag, you can simply quit and find another opponent. In advanced format however, you have to spend minutes, possibly hours, waiting for a judge to arrive to deal with the toxic player as you can't simply quit then or else you lose rating/exp. I often try to make it a habit to avoid rated while there are no active judges online, and only go in rated while at least 1 judge is online so if I do run into such players, I can be sure a judge will come and deal with them in a timely manner so I'm not stuck waiting for one.

The admins will be doing themselves a favor by deleting the custom cards format. No more having to deal with CrystalMusic in the custom card format, no more arguments about card balance, no more having to complain about players who use custom cards as an excuse to attack others, etc.

You send me a private message saying "I've decided to quit Yugioh as it's not enjoyable for me anymore." Yet you continue to request for the custom format's deletion so you can avoid running into toxic players on this site? That makes no sense. If you're quitting duelingbook entirely at this point, you're already going to not be running into those players you dislike so much anymore anyways, so at this point, there's really no longer any need (assuming there was even any need to begin with) for the admins to do what you asked which is shutting down customs as you're not sticking around anyways to enjoy the removal of the custom format should the admins actually shut it down, and if you intend to leave the forum as well never to return, you aren't going to have to worry about "reliving" any more locked thread recreations either since, again, you won't be around to enjoy me "respecting your wish for this".

Customs Format will never be deleted because you heard Genexwrecker though

i cant wait for this to get locked so I can see more godot me