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i hear alot of excuses but i gotta take up for them right now its not as easy as it looks man you cant hire anyone that wants a job man we don't have enough and most of them are untrustable on the most part but like there's almost no way to get a lot more in a short amount of time plus ide rather have less bad judges then a whole lot more which this will do

Finding trustworthy, reliable, knowledgeable, competent people to judge on the site is exceedingly difficult. I have just as much a hard time finding new TOs to hire.

What is TOes?

[quote="Lil Oldman":2kfc04uc]What is TOes?[/quote:2kfc04uc]
Tournament Organizers/Tournament Judges aka the purple that I am

I'd say instead of hiring more judges, start creating schedules for judges to be online to do their duty based around their schedule.

um renji you think they should schedule to be online that won't do a thing we can't enforce it and then we would have a confirmed time without judges instead of having hope one can get on i mean plus it would have to fit the judges lives its way to much what-ifs and could to be succesful

[quote="PENMASTER":3o86liid]um renji you think they should schedule to be online that won't do a thing we can't enforce it and then we would have a confirmed time without judges instead of having hope one can get on i mean plus it would have to fit the judges lives its way to much what-ifs and could to be succesful[/quote:3o86liid]
If a person applies to be a judge and is accepted, then never go online to do their job they volunteered to do, they're not fit to be part of the staff. That is my opinion.

yea humans are unreliable and unpredictable in most cases making them useless in positions over others

I just stay off of rated if there aren't any judges online.

When there is a disagreement with your opponent about a ruling and no judge is online, try to identify what exactly the opponent believes is incorrect. Try to come up with different ways of explaining the rulings and or search resources on the internet for proof. Most of the time, this solves problems instead of waiting 1 hour and doing nothing. If no agreement is found, at least you had an engaging conversation

[quote="Renji Asuka":3ubh77q3][quote="PENMASTER":3ubh77q3]um renji you think they should schedule to be online that won't do a thing we can't enforce it and then we would have a confirmed time without judges instead of having hope one can get on i mean plus it would have to fit the judges lives its way to much what-ifs and could to be succesful[/quote:3ubh77q3]
If a person applies to be a judge and is accepted, then never go online to do their job they volunteered to do, they're not fit to be part of the staff. That is my opinion.[/quote:3ubh77q3]
And those people are demoted for inactivity.

[quote="Renji Asuka":hnn7c1sm]I'd say instead of hiring more judges, start creating schedules for judges to be online to do their duty based around their schedule.[/quote:hnn7c1sm]
It is volunteer so no

[quote="Genexwrecker":3dyfflao][quote="Renji Asuka":3dyfflao]I'd say instead of hiring more judges, start creating schedules for judges to be online to do their duty based around their schedule.[/quote:3dyfflao]
It is volunteer so no[/quote:3dyfflao]
I already know its a volunteer, but even volunteers can still be given a schedule.

[quote="Renji Asuka":107sc2fw][quote="Genexwrecker":107sc2fw][quote="Renji Asuka":107sc2fw]I'd say instead of hiring more judges, start creating schedules for judges to be online to do their duty based around their schedule.[/quote:107sc2fw]
It is volunteer so no[/quote:107sc2fw]
I already know its a volunteer, but even volunteers can still be given a schedule.[/quote:107sc2fw] You would go to 0 judges

[quote="Genexwrecker":39w1cpu8][quote="Renji Asuka":39w1cpu8][quote="Genexwrecker":39w1cpu8]
It is volunteer so no[/quote:39w1cpu8]
I already know its a volunteer, but even volunteers can still be given a schedule.[/quote:39w1cpu8] You would go to 0 judges[/quote:39w1cpu8]
If people refuse to be on a schedule after volunteering, then I'd have no need for them.

I agree with Renji here. There are plenty of people who are happy to align their availability on DB as a judge with their real life availability to play DB. Just because someone is not getting paid to do a job, that does not mean they do not report on time. They CHOSE to volunteer, so it is okay to set those standards (just like you have standards for them in the way they behave.)

With scheduling, enough overlap, and judges from different timezones, we WILL always have judges on and won't have to wait 50 years per call.

Hell, when I volunteer at the church in town to help pass out food, I have to be there before people start showing up to get food to not only help set it up, but to also bring in MORE food that is given out. I'm not being paid to do it. Sorry Genexwrecker, there's just no excuse to be this lax even with volunteers. Mind you, I'm not saying they have to dedicate their entire day, but they can literally dedicate 3-4 hours of helping, and if they can't (outside of real life responsibilities), they don't need to be a judge.

[quote="Renji Asuka":25d2m9xu]Hell, when I volunteer at the church in town to help pass out food, I have to be there before people start showing up to get food to not only help set it up, but to also bring in MORE food that is given out. I'm not being paid to do it. Sorry Genexwrecker, there's just no excuse to be this lax even with volunteers. Mind you, I'm not saying they have to dedicate their entire day, but they can literally dedicate 3-4 hours of helping, and if they can't (outside of real life responsibilities), they don't need to be a judge.[/quote:25d2m9xu]
Volunteering irl is an entirely different scenario. You cannot possibly compare it to running a non profit free site. Irl you have set dates and times where things need to occur. a website is literally run 24/7 and there is always stuff to do. And getting Judges hired from each timezone is also very difficult because not only do they need to be from those timezones but they need to know very very good english to judge properly. Trying to get multiple people from each timezone with those english skills and ability to be a very competent judge is absurdly rare. it took us forever to just get more than 1 judge that resides in brazil. Now then as for your 3-4 hours to judge straight you have to realize the task you are asking of people this isnt something that you can binge and do a good job at. Judging on duelingbook varies call to call and pending on what the calls are you might not be at the mental capacity after just 5 calls to go any furthur without huring the quality of the calls. sometimes you could go 40 calls without issue. There are so many variables to how long one can consistantly judge at one time. We do have a minimum requirements of each judge and specific duties they must fulfill. If they cannot fulfill those then they will be removed.

[quote="Genexwrecker":3rn34vg6][quote="Renji Asuka":3rn34vg6]Hell, when I volunteer at the church in town to help pass out food, I have to be there before people start showing up to get food to not only help set it up, but to also bring in MORE food that is given out. I'm not being paid to do it. Sorry Genexwrecker, there's just no excuse to be this lax even with volunteers. Mind you, I'm not saying they have to dedicate their entire day, but they can literally dedicate 3-4 hours of helping, and if they can't (outside of real life responsibilities), they don't need to be a judge.[/quote:3rn34vg6]
Volunteering irl is an entirely different scenario. You cannot possibly compare it to running a non profit free site. Irl you have set dates and times where things need to occur. a website is literally run 24/7 and there is always stuff to do. And getting Judges hired from each timezone is also very difficult because not only do they need to be from those timezones but they need to know very very good english to judge properly. Trying to get multiple people from each timezone with those english skills and ability to be a very competent judge is absurdly rare. it took us forever to just get more than 1 judge that resides in brazil. Now then as for your 3-4 hours to judge straight you have to realize the task you are asking of people this isnt something that you can binge and do a good job at. Judging on duelingbook varies call to call and pending on what the calls are you might not be at the mental capacity after just 5 calls to go any furthur without huring the quality of the calls. sometimes you could go 40 calls without issue. There are so many variables to how long one can consistantly judge at one time. We do have a minimum requirements of each judge and specific duties they must fulfill. If they cannot fulfill those then they will be removed.[/quote:3rn34vg6]

All I am hearing you say is that there is no solution to the problem of not having enough judges/judges throughout the day. No matter what the reasons are, we need to be working towards solving the problem in one shape or form.

For example, here is an idea someone proposed: creating a different tier of judges. Ones who only have the ability to give game losses to individuals who have been maliciously AFK. Nothing more nothing else.

[quote="Genexwrecker":3aqhj3si][quote="Renji Asuka":3aqhj3si]Hell, when I volunteer at the church in town to help pass out food, I have to be there before people start showing up to get food to not only help set it up, but to also bring in MORE food that is given out. I'm not being paid to do it. Sorry Genexwrecker, there's just no excuse to be this lax even with volunteers. Mind you, I'm not saying they have to dedicate their entire day, but they can literally dedicate 3-4 hours of helping, and if they can't (outside of real life responsibilities), they don't need to be a judge.[/quote:3aqhj3si]
Volunteering irl is an entirely different scenario. You cannot possibly compare it to running a non profit free site. Irl you have set dates and times where things need to occur. a website is literally run 24/7 and there is always stuff to do. And getting Judges hired from each timezone is also very difficult because not only do they need to be from those timezones but they need to know very very good english to judge properly. Trying to get multiple people from each timezone with those english skills and ability to be a very competent judge is absurdly rare. it took us forever to just get more than 1 judge that resides in brazil. Now then as for your 3-4 hours to judge straight you have to realize the task you are asking of people this isnt something that you can binge and do a good job at. Judging on duelingbook varies call to call and pending on what the calls are you might not be at the mental capacity after just 5 calls to go any furthur without huring the quality of the calls. sometimes you could go 40 calls without issue. There are so many variables to how long one can consistantly judge at one time. We do have a minimum requirements of each judge and specific duties they must fulfill. If they cannot fulfill those then they will be removed.[/quote:3aqhj3si]
Volunteering irl is NOT different than volunteering for something online. Both REQUIRES a person to PUT IN TIME TO SAID THING THEY VOLUNTEERED FOR. And if they CAN'T put in a TINY AMOUNT OF THEIR TIME TO DO THE WORK, THEY SHOULDN'T HAD VOLUNTEERED TO BEGIN WITH. Asking for ONLY 3 hours of their time ISN'T impossible to work with. If a person can't handle making those calls, they shouldn't apply to be a judge. I never claimed it'd be easy, but frankly its pathetic. I seen DuelingNetwork have more active judges throughout the day than DuelingBook. So cut the excuses.

That has already been discussed and explored by Dueling Book. This topic has already been brought up numerous times and has already been addressed in other threads.

Woah. He became a toe

[quote="Lil Oldman":1k6iud4g]Woah. He became a toe[/quote:1k6iud4g]
Yes the only TO I hired in the past year. Another sentiment to how hard it is to find somebody that fits the criteria to be staff on here.

renji you seem to be missing the points I have made. Judges are required to do their job, they are required to take a certain amount of calls, and they are required to be active. Though there is info I cannot share publicly on the subject there are again very strict requirements to judge and if they do not follow them they are removed.

[quote="GayNProud":1gr0idsv][quote="Genexwrecker":1gr0idsv][quote="Renji Asuka":1gr0idsv]Hell, when I volunteer at the church in town to help pass out food, I have to be there before people start showing up to get food to not only help set it up, but to also bring in MORE food that is given out. I'm not being paid to do it. Sorry Genexwrecker, there's just no excuse to be this lax even with volunteers. Mind you, I'm not saying they have to dedicate their entire day, but they can literally dedicate 3-4 hours of helping, and if they can't (outside of real life responsibilities), they don't need to be a judge.[/quote:1gr0idsv]
Volunteering irl is an entirely different scenario. You cannot possibly compare it to running a non profit free site. Irl you have set dates and times where things need to occur. a website is literally run 24/7 and there is always stuff to do. And getting Judges hired from each timezone is also very difficult because not only do they need to be from those timezones but they need to know very very good english to judge properly. Trying to get multiple people from each timezone with those english skills and ability to be a very competent judge is absurdly rare. it took us forever to just get more than 1 judge that resides in brazil. Now then as for your 3-4 hours to judge straight you have to realize the task you are asking of people this isnt something that you can binge and do a good job at. Judging on duelingbook varies call to call and pending on what the calls are you might not be at the mental capacity after just 5 calls to go any furthur without huring the quality of the calls. sometimes you could go 40 calls without issue. There are so many variables to how long one can consistantly judge at one time. We do have a minimum requirements of each judge and specific duties they must fulfill. If they cannot fulfill those then they will be removed.[/quote:1gr0idsv]

All I am hearing you say is that there is no solution to the problem of not having enough judges/judges throughout the day. No matter what the reasons are, we need to be working towards solving the problem in one shape or form.

For example, here is an idea someone proposed: creating a different tier of judges. Ones who only have the ability to give game losses to individuals who have been maliciously AFK. Nothing more nothing else.[/quote:1gr0idsv]

I believe I'm the one that suggested this, although I can't remember where exactly on the forum I suggested it, but Genexwrecker said he wouldn't consider this... for some reason.

Genex already explained that they had considered it and decided to give the idea a pass.

Big Q regarding this, do Judges get notified or something? If so, having an alt guarding is actually worse than regular guarding, maybe if they can disguise themselves without leaving the benefits of notifications.

[quote="Lil Oldman":gkg6itok]Big Q regarding this, do Judges get notified or something? If so, having an alt guarding is actually worse than regular guarding, maybe if they can disguise themselves without leaving the benefits of notifications.[/quote:gkg6itok]

What do you mean by "guarding"? Guarding what?

[quote="Christen57":3w0bd8nj][quote="Lil Oldman":3w0bd8nj]Big Q regarding this, do Judges get notified or something? If so, having an alt guarding is actually worse than regular guarding, maybe if they can disguise themselves without leaving the benefits of notifications.[/quote:3w0bd8nj]

What do you mean by "guarding"? Guarding what?[/quote:3w0bd8nj]
a judge being on duty in an alt instead to not appear in as "online"

With guarding I literally mean on duty, didnt found a better word for it.

[quote="Christen57":2ivuf5v1][quote="GayNProud":2ivuf5v1][quote="Genexwrecker":2ivuf5v1]
Volunteering irl is an entirely different scenario. You cannot possibly compare it to running a non profit free site. Irl you have set dates and times where things need to occur. a website is literally run 24/7 and there is always stuff to do. And getting Judges hired from each timezone is also very difficult because not only do they need to be from those timezones but they need to know very very good english to judge properly. Trying to get multiple people from each timezone with those english skills and ability to be a very competent judge is absurdly rare. it took us forever to just get more than 1 judge that resides in brazil. Now then as for your 3-4 hours to judge straight you have to realize the task you are asking of people this isnt something that you can binge and do a good job at. Judging on duelingbook varies call to call and pending on what the calls are you might not be at the mental capacity after just 5 calls to go any furthur without huring the quality of the calls. sometimes you could go 40 calls without issue. There are so many variables to how long one can consistantly judge at one time. We do have a minimum requirements of each judge and specific duties they must fulfill. If they cannot fulfill those then they will be removed.[/quote:2ivuf5v1]

All I am hearing you say is that there is no solution to the problem of not having enough judges/judges throughout the day. No matter what the reasons are, we need to be working towards solving the problem in one shape or form.

For example, here is an idea someone proposed: creating a different tier of judges. Ones who only have the ability to give game losses to individuals who have been maliciously AFK. Nothing more nothing else.[/quote:2ivuf5v1]

I believe I'm the one that suggested this, although I can't remember where exactly on the forum I suggested it, but Genexwrecker said he wouldn't consider this... for some reason.[/quote:2ivuf5v1]We discussed the idea of having different judges for different things or mods and decided it was an absolute no. this has not changed since then.

[quote="Genexwrecker":1liplbir][quote="Christen57":1liplbir][quote="GayNProud":1liplbir]

All I am hearing you say is that there is no solution to the problem of not having enough judges/judges throughout the day. No matter what the reasons are, we need to be working towards solving the problem in one shape or form.

For example, here is an idea someone proposed: creating a different tier of judges. Ones who only have the ability to give game losses to individuals who have been maliciously AFK. Nothing more nothing else.[/quote:1liplbir]

I believe I'm the one that suggested this, although I can't remember where exactly on the forum I suggested it, but Genexwrecker said he wouldn't consider this... for some reason.[/quote:1liplbir]We discussed the idea of having different judges for different things or mods and decided it was an absolute no. this has not changed since then.[/quote:1liplbir]

Again, offer us some kind of solution. Tell us you are working on it. Ask us to brainstorm with you. Tell us how we can help. All you are doing is just shutting down everything, and leaving unsatisfied and maliciously stalled.

You did interact with me in my other post about "judges ignoring reports". The issue here goes hand in hand with that. I would not need to make NUMEROUS abuse reports if I did not have to deal with almost every single issue myself due to judges never coming on. Judges are almost NEVER on. This is crazy.

No matter how many internal rules and policies you cannot share with us, all we actually care about is the RESULT. What is the result we have? Judges not on most of the day. And whenever they are on, they are just too few judges for the abundance of calls. Couple that with the fact that you guys do not respond to abuse reports, you get RAMPAGE running around in the website's rated sections.

Now, go back and think about your very strict criteria for hiring judges. Why do you enforce this? Isn't it to keep the quality of the website high? Is that the result you are actually achieving? No. Meaning? Something must change.

It is not like we are over here just bitching and complaining. We are trying to propose solutions.

Here is what I see, Duelingbook has been up since Feb 26, 2017. So why is it after almost 4 years, the admins don't seem to give a crap about the playerbase? Let me explain. All the excuses I seen come from you GenexWrecker, essentially boiled down to "We don't want to because we're lazy" or "We don't want to because Judges have real life obligations, and are not required to do their job or even log in." Despite options being presented and the higher ups don't want to hear it.

What this tells me is that, being a judge or even an admin is just being treated as a club to do in one's spare time and not take the work seriously, nothing more. And if that is the case, why should I bother to use DuelingBook over something like YgoPro. Or, why should I go into rated, knowing no judge will ever be on, and if one is on, they only hop on for a few minutes.

Which then gives you 2 options, either remove rated and the need for judges if no judge wants to do their job. Or, give them schedules. Which is easier to do? In my opinion the 2nd option seems like the obvious answer, yet you seem to be extremely adamant in not letting judges be held to a higher standard. Yet, your hiring process is just that, you want quality.

Which then boils down to, the judges that are never on, were never of good quality, which then brings into question of the hiring process. Either the standards are too low, or its too lax.

[quote="GayNProud":yoag6p8z][quote="Genexwrecker":yoag6p8z][quote="Christen57":yoag6p8z]

I believe I'm the one that suggested this, although I can't remember where exactly on the forum I suggested it, but Genexwrecker said he wouldn't consider this... for some reason.[/quote:yoag6p8z]We discussed the idea of having different judges for different things or mods and decided it was an absolute no. this has not changed since then.[/quote:yoag6p8z]

Again, offer us some kind of solution. Tell us you are working on it. Ask us to brainstorm with you. Tell us how we can help. All you are doing is just shutting down everything, and leaving unsatisfied and maliciously stalled.

You did interact with me in my other post about "judges ignoring reports". The issue here goes hand in hand with that. I would not need to make NUMEROUS abuse reports if I did not have to deal with almost every single issue myself due to judges never coming on. Judges are almost NEVER on. This is crazy.

No matter how many internal rules and policies you cannot share with us, all we actually care about is the RESULT. What is the result we have? Judges not on most of the day. And whenever they are on, they are just too few judges for the abundance of calls. Couple that with the fact that you guys do not respond to abuse reports, you get RAMPAGE running around in the website's rated sections.

Now, go back and think about your very strict criteria for hiring judges. Why do you enforce this? Isn't it to keep the quality of the website high? Is that the result you are actually achieving? No. Meaning? Something must change.

It is not like we are over here just bitching and complaining. We are trying to propose solutions.[/quote:yoag6p8z]

What abuse reports have they been ignoring?

Also, if it's true that they're ignoring abuse reports, wouldn't spamming more abuse reports only make judges ignore them even further? I'm pretty sure only 1 abuse report at a time is enough.

[quote="Genexwrecker":3u24oz72][quote="Christen57":3u24oz72][quote="GayNProud":3u24oz72]

All I am hearing you say is that there is no solution to the problem of not having enough judges/judges throughout the day. No matter what the reasons are, we need to be working towards solving the problem in one shape or form.

For example, here is an idea someone proposed: creating a different tier of judges. Ones who only have the ability to give game losses to individuals who have been maliciously AFK. Nothing more nothing else.[/quote:3u24oz72]

I believe I'm the one that suggested this, although I can't remember where exactly on the forum I suggested it, but Genexwrecker said he wouldn't consider this... for some reason.[/quote:3u24oz72]We discussed the idea of having different judges for different things or mods and decided it was an absolute no. this has not changed since then.[/quote:3u24oz72]
[quote="Renji Asuka":3u24oz72]Here is what I see, Duelingbook has been up since Feb 26, 2017. So why is it after almost 4 years, the admins don't seem to give a crap about the playerbase? Let me explain. All the excuses I seen come from you GenexWrecker, essentially boiled down to "We don't want to because we're lazy" or "We don't want to because Judges have real life obligations, and are not required to do their job or even log in." Despite options being presented and the higher ups don't want to hear it.

What this tells me is that, being a judge or even an admin is just being treated as a club to do in one's spare time and not take the work seriously, nothing more. And if that is the case, why should I bother to use DuelingBook over something like YgoPro. Or, why should I go into rated, knowing no judge will ever be on, and if one is on, they only hop on for a few minutes.

Which then gives you 2 options, either remove rated and the need for judges if no judge wants to do their job. Or, give them schedules. Which is easier to do? In my opinion the 2nd option seems like the obvious answer, yet you seem to be extremely adamant in not letting judges be held to a higher standard. Yet, your hiring process is just that, you want quality.

Which then boils down to, the judges that are never on, were never of good quality, which then brings into question of the hiring process. Either the standards are too low, or its too lax.[/quote:3u24oz72]

Calling judges lazy isn't helping anyone. If anything, it makes them less likely to want to listen to you.

What would help is if they at least gave us some reason as to why they decided having judges with more power but more responsibility and judges with less power but less responsibility would be a bad idea. It would alleviate the issue of people having to wait long periods of time just because their opponent was stalling. The judges with only the power to answer calls related to stalling would be able to answer them, while the judges with more power could focus more on the bigger responsibilities such as rulings. Instead we are told only that "we discussed it and we decided not to do it" and nothing else.

Another thing that would help that I don't think anyone else previously brought up would be if players had the option to make a certain sound play whenever a judge arrives to their duel. I've had rated duels in the past where I had to call a judge, but I also wanted to take a quick shower or go grab something to eat, but I was worried the judge would come while I was showering/eating and give me a loss for not being present. So if you call a judge, you can leave your computer temporarily, and when the judge comes, your computer/browser plays a certain, for example, beeping sound, or maybe your profile song, so you know a judge has arrived and should return to your computer.

This wouldn't fix the issue of the lack of judges, but it would make waiting for them in the first place a lot less stressful. It would be a step in the right direction, even if would be only a small one.

[quote="Genexwrecker":36mw8iqm][quote="Christen57":36mw8iqm][quote="GayNProud":36mw8iqm]

All I am hearing you say is that there is no solution to the problem of not having enough judges/judges throughout the day. No matter what the reasons are, we need to be working towards solving the problem in one shape or form.

For example, here is an idea someone proposed: creating a different tier of judges. Ones who only have the ability to give game losses to individuals who have been maliciously AFK. Nothing more nothing else.[/quote:36mw8iqm]

I believe I'm the one that suggested this, although I can't remember where exactly on the forum I suggested it, but Genexwrecker said he wouldn't consider this... for some reason.[/quote:36mw8iqm]We discussed the idea of having different judges for different things or mods and decided it was an absolute no. this has not changed since then.[/quote:36mw8iqm]
You have said this multiple times and have never given a reason.

[quote="Christen57":3ruk9f9n][quote="Genexwrecker":3ruk9f9n][quote="Christen57":3ruk9f9n]

I believe I'm the one that suggested this, although I can't remember where exactly on the forum I suggested it, but Genexwrecker said he wouldn't consider this... for some reason.[/quote:3ruk9f9n]We discussed the idea of having different judges for different things or mods and decided it was an absolute no. this has not changed since then.[/quote:3ruk9f9n]
[quote="Renji Asuka":3ruk9f9n]Here is what I see, Duelingbook has been up since Feb 26, 2017. So why is it after almost 4 years, the admins don't seem to give a crap about the playerbase? Let me explain. All the excuses I seen come from you GenexWrecker, essentially boiled down to "We don't want to because we're lazy" or "We don't want to because Judges have real life obligations, and are not required to do their job or even log in." Despite options being presented and the higher ups don't want to hear it.

What this tells me is that, being a judge or even an admin is just being treated as a club to do in one's spare time and not take the work seriously, nothing more. And if that is the case, why should I bother to use DuelingBook over something like YgoPro. Or, why should I go into rated, knowing no judge will ever be on, and if one is on, they only hop on for a few minutes.

Which then gives you 2 options, either remove rated and the need for judges if no judge wants to do their job. Or, give them schedules. Which is easier to do? In my opinion the 2nd option seems like the obvious answer, yet you seem to be extremely adamant in not letting judges be held to a higher standard. Yet, your hiring process is just that, you want quality.

Which then boils down to, the judges that are never on, were never of good quality, which then brings into question of the hiring process. Either the standards are too low, or its too lax.[/quote:3ruk9f9n]

Calling judges lazy isn't helping anyone. If anything, it makes them less likely to want to listen to you.

What would help is if they at least gave us some reason as to why they decided having judges with more power but more responsibility and judges with less power but less responsibility would be a bad idea. It would alleviate the issue of people having to wait long periods of time just because their opponent was stalling. The judges with only the power to answer calls related to stalling would be able to answer them, while the judges with more power could focus more on the bigger responsibilities such as rulings. Instead we are told only that "we discussed it and we decided not to do it" and nothing else.

Another thing that would help that I don't think anyone else previously brought up would be if players had the option to make a certain sound play whenever a judge arrives to their duel. I've had rated duels in the past where I had to call a judge, but I also wanted to take a quick shower or go grab something to eat, but I was worried the judge would come while I was showering/eating and give me a loss for not being present. So if you call a judge, you can leave your computer temporarily, and when the judge comes, your computer/browser plays a certain, for example, beeping sound, or maybe your profile song, so you know a judge has arrived and should return to your computer.

This wouldn't fix the issue of the lack of judges, but it would make waiting for them in the first place a lot less stressful. It would be a step in the right direction, even if would be only a small one.[/quote:3ruk9f9n]
The lazy part is how I see the whole situation, could I had worded it differently? Yes, but its what I see and how I honestly feel about it. Its more of being blunt than anything.

Also if you're in the middle of a duel in rated, why would you leave to take a shower or do something else? Why not do all those things before you get on DB?

[quote="Renji Asuka":12czgwgl][quote="Christen57":12czgwgl][quote="Genexwrecker":12czgwgl]We discussed the idea of having different judges for different things or mods and decided it was an absolute no. this has not changed since then.[/quote:12czgwgl]
[quote="Renji Asuka":12czgwgl]Here is what I see, Duelingbook has been up since Feb 26, 2017. So why is it after almost 4 years, the admins don't seem to give a crap about the playerbase? Let me explain. All the excuses I seen come from you GenexWrecker, essentially boiled down to "We don't want to because we're lazy" or "We don't want to because Judges have real life obligations, and are not required to do their job or even log in." Despite options being presented and the higher ups don't want to hear it.

What this tells me is that, being a judge or even an admin is just being treated as a club to do in one's spare time and not take the work seriously, nothing more. And if that is the case, why should I bother to use DuelingBook over something like YgoPro. Or, why should I go into rated, knowing no judge will ever be on, and if one is on, they only hop on for a few minutes.

Which then gives you 2 options, either remove rated and the need for judges if no judge wants to do their job. Or, give them schedules. Which is easier to do? In my opinion the 2nd option seems like the obvious answer, yet you seem to be extremely adamant in not letting judges be held to a higher standard. Yet, your hiring process is just that, you want quality.

Which then boils down to, the judges that are never on, were never of good quality, which then brings into question of the hiring process. Either the standards are too low, or its too lax.[/quote:12czgwgl]

Calling judges lazy isn't helping anyone. If anything, it makes them less likely to want to listen to you.

What would help is if they at least gave us some reason as to why they decided having judges with more power but more responsibility and judges with less power but less responsibility would be a bad idea. It would alleviate the issue of people having to wait long periods of time just because their opponent was stalling. The judges with only the power to answer calls related to stalling would be able to answer them, while the judges with more power could focus more on the bigger responsibilities such as rulings. Instead we are told only that "we discussed it and we decided not to do it" and nothing else.

Another thing that would help that I don't think anyone else previously brought up would be if players had the option to make a certain sound play whenever a judge arrives to their duel. I've had rated duels in the past where I had to call a judge, but I also wanted to take a quick shower or go grab something to eat, but I was worried the judge would come while I was showering/eating and give me a loss for not being present. So if you call a judge, you can leave your computer temporarily, and when the judge comes, your computer/browser plays a certain, for example, beeping sound, or maybe your profile song, so you know a judge has arrived and should return to your computer.

This wouldn't fix the issue of the lack of judges, but it would make waiting for them in the first place a lot less stressful. It would be a step in the right direction, even if would be only a small one.[/quote:12czgwgl]
The lazy part is how I see the whole situation, could I had worded it differently? Yes, but its what I see and how I honestly feel about it. Its more of being blunt than anything.

Also if you're in the middle of a duel in rated, why would you leave to take a shower or do something else? Why not do all those things before you get on DB?[/quote:12czgwgl]

We need solutions, not insults. The staff doesn't struggle to hire more judges because they're lazy. They struggle to do it because they have strict criteria for becoming a judge. If you believe their standards are too high, then focus on that, but having high standards isn't laziness. Lazy means wanting to do as little work as possible. Hiring the right judges based on their criteria is a lot of work.

Also, sometimes unexpected things happen. Maybe I'm in the middle of a rated duel and I need to answer the door, take a phone call, or get something to eat because I suddenly have a growth spurt. It would help if I had the browser alert me with a sound when a judge arrives so I know I need to return to the duel immediately. I don't want to just sit in my chair staring at my screen for over an hour as I wait for a judge to arrive. I want to be able to pass the time without worrying about a judge coming when I'm not there don't know about it then giving me a loss for not sitting in my chair for over an hour straight, waiting, and staring at the screen. An alert system would make waiting for judges less boring and less stressful.

[quote="Christen57":22c2gh69][quote="Renji Asuka":22c2gh69][quote="Christen57":22c2gh69]


Calling judges lazy isn't helping anyone. If anything, it makes them less likely to want to listen to you.

What would help is if they at least gave us some reason as to why they decided having judges with more power but more responsibility and judges with less power but less responsibility would be a bad idea. It would alleviate the issue of people having to wait long periods of time just because their opponent was stalling. The judges with only the power to answer calls related to stalling would be able to answer them, while the judges with more power could focus more on the bigger responsibilities such as rulings. Instead we are told only that "we discussed it and we decided not to do it" and nothing else.

Another thing that would help that I don't think anyone else previously brought up would be if players had the option to make a certain sound play whenever a judge arrives to their duel. I've had rated duels in the past where I had to call a judge, but I also wanted to take a quick shower or go grab something to eat, but I was worried the judge would come while I was showering/eating and give me a loss for not being present. So if you call a judge, you can leave your computer temporarily, and when the judge comes, your computer/browser plays a certain, for example, beeping sound, or maybe your profile song, so you know a judge has arrived and should return to your computer.

This wouldn't fix the issue of the lack of judges, but it would make waiting for them in the first place a lot less stressful. It would be a step in the right direction, even if would be only a small one.[/quote:22c2gh69]
The lazy part is how I see the whole situation, could I had worded it differently? Yes, but its what I see and how I honestly feel about it. Its more of being blunt than anything.

Also if you're in the middle of a duel in rated, why would you leave to take a shower or do something else? Why not do all those things before you get on DB?[/quote:22c2gh69]

We need solutions, not insults. The staff doesn't struggle to hire more judges because they're lazy. They struggle to do it because they have strict criteria for becoming a judge. If you believe their standards are too high, then focus on that, but having high standards isn't laziness. Lazy means wanting to do as little work as possible. Hiring the right judges based on their criteria is a lot of work.

Also, sometimes unexpected things happen. Maybe I'm in the middle of a rated duel and I need to answer the door, take a phone call, or get something to eat because I suddenly have a growth spurt. It would help if I had the browser alert me with a sound when a judge arrives so I know I need to return to the duel immediately. I don't want to just sit in my chair staring at my screen for over an hour as I wait for a judge to arrive. I want to be able to pass the time without worrying about a judge coming when I'm not there don't know about it then giving me a loss for not sitting in my chair for over an hour straight, waiting, and staring at the screen. An alert system would make waiting for judges less boring and less stressful.[/quote:22c2gh69]
I never once advocate for more hiring judges, but every solution given to them are easy things to implement, they don't want to do it. I only been advocating for Judges to be put on shifts. And the fact its being shot down is showing that the judges don't want to do their job making them lazy. There is 0 excuse for judges not to be online.

There is already an alarm feature when we enter your games btw.

If you dont like the fact we aren't always online then you do not have to use the site. If you dont like the product provided don't use it.

[quote="Genexwrecker":mch27c6k]There is already an alarm feature when we enter your games btw.

If you dont like the fact we aren't always online then you do not have to use the site. If you dont like the product provided don't use it.[/quote:mch27c6k]


This.

It's the response I took. I didn't like a judges response to a call about my opponent being rude and toxic. He basically said the guy wasn't "toxic enough" and I was being too sensitive.

I quit because I refused to continue with that person under any circumstances and the judge wasn't going to cancel the match.

I escalated and heard nothing back.

The end result? I just don't play here anymore. There are far too many different sites available to force myself to spend my time somewhere that I don't agree with the policies in place.

Renji, you keep asking why you should stay. The answer is, if it bothers you so badly you shouldn't. Just pick one of the dozen other sites to go to.

[quote="Genexwrecker":1bhvwr82]There is already an alarm feature when we enter your games btw.

If you dont like the fact we aren't always online then you do not have to use the site. If you dont like the product provided don't use it.[/quote:1bhvwr82]

Can you show us how to use it and how it works?

[quote="Eidas":1bhvwr82][quote="Genexwrecker":1bhvwr82]There is already an alarm feature when we enter your games btw.

If you dont like the fact we aren't always online then you do not have to use the site. If you dont like the product provided don't use it.[/quote:1bhvwr82]


This.

It's the response I took. I didn't like a judges response to a call about my opponent being rude and toxic. He basically said the guy wasn't "toxic enough" and I was being too sensitive.

I quit because I refused to continue with that person under any circumstances and the judge wasn't going to cancel the match.

I escalated and heard nothing back.

The end result? I just don't play here anymore. There are far too many different sites available to force myself to spend my time somewhere that I don't agree with the policies in place.

Renji, you keep asking why you should stay. The answer is, if it bothers you so badly you shouldn't. Just pick one of the dozen other sites to go to.[/quote:1bhvwr82]

Do you have the replay for this?

[quote="Renji Asuka":1bhvwr82][quote="Christen57":1bhvwr82][quote="Renji Asuka":1bhvwr82]
The lazy part is how I see the whole situation, could I had worded it differently? Yes, but its what I see and how I honestly feel about it. Its more of being blunt than anything.

Also if you're in the middle of a duel in rated, why would you leave to take a shower or do something else? Why not do all those things before you get on DB?[/quote:1bhvwr82]

We need solutions, not insults. The staff doesn't struggle to hire more judges because they're lazy. They struggle to do it because they have strict criteria for becoming a judge. If you believe their standards are too high, then focus on that, but having high standards isn't laziness. Lazy means wanting to do as little work as possible. Hiring the right judges based on their criteria is a lot of work.

Also, sometimes unexpected things happen. Maybe I'm in the middle of a rated duel and I need to answer the door, take a phone call, or get something to eat because I suddenly have a growth spurt. It would help if I had the browser alert me with a sound when a judge arrives so I know I need to return to the duel immediately. I don't want to just sit in my chair staring at my screen for over an hour as I wait for a judge to arrive. I want to be able to pass the time without worrying about a judge coming when I'm not there don't know about it then giving me a loss for not sitting in my chair for over an hour straight, waiting, and staring at the screen. An alert system would make waiting for judges less boring and less stressful.[/quote:1bhvwr82]
I never once advocate for more hiring judges, but every solution given to them are easy things to implement, they don't want to do it. I only been advocating for Judges to be put on shifts. And the fact its being shot down is showing that the judges don't want to do their job making them lazy. There is 0 excuse for judges not to be online.[/quote:1bhvwr82]

Judges have their own lives to live too. They can't invest all their time into just judging. In fact, putting judges on "shifts" would be counterproductive for 3 reasons.

1. Judges can have their real life schedules change without warning which may end up conflicting with the schedule set for them for duelingbook.

2. Multiple judges could want to come online answering many calls but wouldn't be able to do so because one of them has to wait for the other's shift to finish.

3. If you have a judge who's shift starts at 2 o'clock and ends at 4 o'clock, but that judge wants to either come online before 2 o'clock to do some judging early or remain online after 4 o'clock to answer calls since they have more free time on their hands, they wouldn't be able to do so. They would have to go offline since their shift is up.

Judges have to be allowed plenty of flexibility, and shifts hinder that. Simply requiring judges to take a certain number of calls every week is good enough.

[quote="Christen57":b60v47py][quote="Genexwrecker":b60v47py]There is already an alarm feature when we enter your games btw.

If you dont like the fact we aren't always online then you do not have to use the site. If you dont like the product provided don't use it.[/quote:b60v47py]

Can you show us how to use it and how it works?

[quote="Eidas":b60v47py][quote="Genexwrecker":b60v47py]There is already an alarm feature when we enter your games btw.

If you dont like the fact we aren't always online then you do not have to use the site. If you dont like the product provided don't use it.[/quote:b60v47py]


This.

It's the response I took. I didn't like a judges response to a call about my opponent being rude and toxic. He basically said the guy wasn't "toxic enough" and I was being too sensitive.

I quit because I refused to continue with that person under any circumstances and the judge wasn't going to cancel the match.

I escalated and heard nothing back.

The end result? I just don't play here anymore. There are far too many different sites available to force myself to spend my time somewhere that I don't agree with the policies in place.

Renji, you keep asking why you should stay. The answer is, if it bothers you so badly you shouldn't. Just pick one of the dozen other sites to go to.[/quote:b60v47py]

Do you have the replay for this?

[quote="Renji Asuka":b60v47py][quote="Christen57":b60v47py]

We need solutions, not insults. The staff doesn't struggle to hire more judges because they're lazy. They struggle to do it because they have strict criteria for becoming a judge. If you believe their standards are too high, then focus on that, but having high standards isn't laziness. Lazy means wanting to do as little work as possible. Hiring the right judges based on their criteria is a lot of work.

Also, sometimes unexpected things happen. Maybe I'm in the middle of a rated duel and I need to answer the door, take a phone call, or get something to eat because I suddenly have a growth spurt. It would help if I had the browser alert me with a sound when a judge arrives so I know I need to return to the duel immediately. I don't want to just sit in my chair staring at my screen for over an hour as I wait for a judge to arrive. I want to be able to pass the time without worrying about a judge coming when I'm not there don't know about it then giving me a loss for not sitting in my chair for over an hour straight, waiting, and staring at the screen. An alert system would make waiting for judges less boring and less stressful.[/quote:b60v47py]
I never once advocate for more hiring judges, but every solution given to them are easy things to implement, they don't want to do it. I only been advocating for Judges to be put on shifts. And the fact its being shot down is showing that the judges don't want to do their job making them lazy. There is 0 excuse for judges not to be online.[/quote:b60v47py]

Judges have their own lives to live too. They can't invest all their time into just judging. In fact, putting judges on "shifts" would be counterproductive for 3 reasons.

1. Judges can have their real life schedules change without warning which may end up conflicting with the schedule set for them for duelingbook.

2. Multiple judges could want to come online answering many calls but wouldn't be able to do so because one of them has to wait for the other's shift to finish.

3. If you have a judge who's shift starts at 2 o'clock and ends at 4 o'clock, but that judge wants to either come online before 2 o'clock to do some judging early or remain online after 4 o'clock to answer calls since they have more free time on their hands, they wouldn't be able to do so. They would have to go offline since their shift is up.

Judges have to be allowed plenty of flexibility, and shifts hinder that. Simply requiring judges to take a certain number of calls every week is good enough.[/quote:b60v47py]

The idea of "Judges having lives" isn't an excuse, any reasonable adult knows this. Yes real life responsibilities come first, BUT IF YOU VOLUNTEER FOR SOMETHING YOU NEED TO PUT IN THE WORK TO DO SAID THING YOU VOLUNTEER TO DO. If you're too busy to spend about 3 hours of your time to help players in rated, then you shouldn't be a judge. If you volunteer at a place in real life, you are still having to show up on time for whatever you're volunteering for. You only screw things up if you don't show up at designated times.

This isnt a real life job we are not trying to run a sucessful productive company we are working together with whatever free time we have to provide a fun website for people to play ygo on. Stop comparing what we are doing to real jobs because volunteering to judge is not only not a real job we can all stop doing what we do here at any point. Again we provide a FREE website. If you do not like the fact we are running it this way you are not forced to play on it.

Because this is free there is no set schedule for shifts there is no set schedule for patches there is no set time to upload cards there is no set schedule to update banlists there is no set upates to update card text. Things occur when we are able to get around to them as soon as we are free and able.

[quote="Genexwrecker":2b0x05w8]This isnt a real life job we are not trying to run a sucessful productive company we are working together with whatever free time we have to provide a fun website for people to play ygo on. Stop comparing what we are doing to real jobs because volunteering to judge is not only not a real job we can all stop doing what we do here at any point. Again we provide a FREE website. If you do not like the fact we are running it this way you are not forced to play on it.

Because this is free there is no set schedule for shifts there is no set schedule for patches there is no set time to upload cards there is no set schedule to update banlists there is no set upates to update card text. Things occur when we are able to get around to them as soon as we are free and able.[/quote:2b0x05w8]
And volunteering to pass out food spending hours is also not a real job. You can easily create a schedule but you are not willing to. It also seems you are not willing to create a better product. But it seems that DN is always going to be superior to DB regarding judges.

[quote="Christen57":3mu4jqgy]

Do you have the replay for this?

[/quote:3mu4jqgy]


I could go get it, why?

And volunteering to pass out food spending hours is also not a real job. You can easily create a schedule but you are not willing to. It also seems you are not willing to create a better product. But it seems that DN is always going to be superior to DB regarding judges.

There were a fair amount of DN Judges that were somewhat corrupt, or did not adhere to staff policy. In DB, there is a MUCH higher expectation for staff members and DN did not have.

[quote="DarkPhenix":2k6hxjs5]

And volunteering to pass out food spending hours is also not a real job. You can easily create a schedule but you are not willing to. It also seems you are not willing to create a better product. But it seems that DN is always going to be superior to DB regarding judges.

There were a fair amount of DN Judges that were somewhat corrupt, or did not adhere to staff policy. In DB, there is a MUCH higher expectation for staff members and DN did not have.[/quote:2k6hxjs5]
If there is higher expectations for staff members on DB, then why is it difficult to have judges to be on regularly? Shouldn't that be one of the expectations? To hire someone and have them do their job on the regular?

Mind you, I'm not asking for judges to be on for 8 hours a day. But are you honestly telling me NONE can actually do their job they volunteered for about 3 hours a day? I mean you can get everyone's schedule on when they can be free, then create a system revolving around that. I mean DB had about almost 4 years now to get this sorted out but refused cause heaven forbid judges actually be active on the regular.

Idk, I rather just see a DB get BETTER, instead of it being subpar.

Oof all I see in this post is excuses, we all know DB judges is juste an exclusive club for lazy uninterested sad people, most respected DN judges made the move, I wonder if at some point DB reached to those said judges.

[quote="Renji Asuka":3th3y1sw][quote="Christen57":3th3y1sw][quote="Genexwrecker":3th3y1sw]There is already an alarm feature when we enter your games btw.

If you dont like the fact we aren't always online then you do not have to use the site. If you dont like the product provided don't use it.[/quote:3th3y1sw]

Can you show us how to use it and how it works?

[quote="Eidas":3th3y1sw]


This.

It's the response I took. I didn't like a judges response to a call about my opponent being rude and toxic. He basically said the guy wasn't "toxic enough" and I was being too sensitive.

I quit because I refused to continue with that person under any circumstances and the judge wasn't going to cancel the match.

I escalated and heard nothing back.

The end result? I just don't play here anymore. There are far too many different sites available to force myself to spend my time somewhere that I don't agree with the policies in place.

Renji, you keep asking why you should stay. The answer is, if it bothers you so badly you shouldn't. Just pick one of the dozen other sites to go to.[/quote:3th3y1sw]

Do you have the replay for this?

[quote="Renji Asuka":3th3y1sw]
I never once advocate for more hiring judges, but every solution given to them are easy things to implement, they don't want to do it. I only been advocating for Judges to be put on shifts. And the fact its being shot down is showing that the judges don't want to do their job making them lazy. There is 0 excuse for judges not to be online.[/quote:3th3y1sw]

Judges have their own lives to live too. They can't invest all their time into just judging. In fact, putting judges on "shifts" would be counterproductive for 3 reasons.

1. Judges can have their real life schedules change without warning which may end up conflicting with the schedule set for them for duelingbook.

2. Multiple judges could want to come online answering many calls but wouldn't be able to do so because one of them has to wait for the other's shift to finish.

3. If you have a judge who's shift starts at 2 o'clock and ends at 4 o'clock, but that judge wants to either come online before 2 o'clock to do some judging early or remain online after 4 o'clock to answer calls since they have more free time on their hands, they wouldn't be able to do so. They would have to go offline since their shift is up.

Judges have to be allowed plenty of flexibility, and shifts hinder that. Simply requiring judges to take a certain number of calls every week is good enough.[/quote:3th3y1sw]

The idea of "Judges having lives" isn't an excuse, any reasonable adult knows this. Yes real life responsibilities come first, BUT IF YOU VOLUNTEER FOR SOMETHING YOU NEED TO PUT IN THE WORK TO DO SAID THING YOU VOLUNTEER TO DO. If you're too busy to spend about 3 hours of your time to help players in rated, then you shouldn't be a judge. If you volunteer at a place in real life, you are still having to show up on time for whatever you're volunteering for. You only screw things up if you don't show up at designated times.[/quote:3th3y1sw]

I've already explained why it's better to expect judges to take a certain number of calls per week than to expect judges to be online for a certain number of hours per day.

Also stop comparing judging on duelingbook to volunteering for places in real life. Volunteering involves being "on time" at "designated times". Judging involves taking a certain number of calls per week/month.

Judges having lives is meant to be an explanation, not an excuse. Excuses are meant to deny the situation or shift the blame for a situation onto something or someone else without improving it. Explanations are meant to acknowledge the situation and try to improve it without shifting the blame to anything or anyone else.

[quote="Eidas":3th3y1sw][quote="Christen57":3th3y1sw]

Do you have the replay for this?

[/quote:3th3y1sw]


I could go get it, why?[/quote:3th3y1sw]

Because oftentimes when people complain about judges here being abusive either they refuse to back it up with evidence or someone provides evidence that only ends up showing that the judge was justified in doing whatever they did.

[quote="Renji Asuka":3th3y1sw][quote="DarkPhenix":3th3y1sw]

And volunteering to pass out food spending hours is also not a real job. You can easily create a schedule but you are not willing to. It also seems you are not willing to create a better product. But it seems that DN is always going to be superior to DB regarding judges.

There were a fair amount of DN Judges that were somewhat corrupt, or did not adhere to staff policy. In DB, there is a MUCH higher expectation for staff members and DN did not have.[/quote:3th3y1sw]
If there is higher expectations for staff members on DB, then why is it difficult to have judges to be on regularly? Shouldn't that be one of the expectations? To hire someone and have them do their job on the regular?

Mind you, I'm not asking for judges to be on for 8 hours a day. But are you honestly telling me NONE can actually do their job they volunteered for about 3 hours a day? I mean you can get everyone's schedule on when they can be free, then create a system revolving around that. I mean DB had about almost 4 years now to get this sorted out but refused cause heaven forbid judges actually be active on the regular.

Idk, I rather just see a DB get BETTER, instead of it being subpar.[/quote:3th3y1sw]

Back on dueling network, it was decided that it was better to have good judges that weren't very active than to have bad judges that were very active. I assume that mindset carried over to dueling book.

Getting everyone's schedule and making a system around that sounds simple on paper, but schedules can and will rapidly change unexpectedly, especially when we have like 40 different judges all with varying amounts of free time. It would be tedious to keep adjusting the universal schedule for all 40 judges because one of them had a sudden change of plans.

As long as the judges are required to take a certain number of calls per week, that's good enough. It allows them to set their own flexible schedules and be able to adjust them whenever they need without being too inactive. Some judges have only 1 day off per week where they can spend that day answering 30 calls, others may have 2 days off per week where they can answer 15 calls each of those days, and others may have 3 days off per week where they can answer 10 calls each of those days. Either way, they're all answering a total of at least 30 calls per week, so that's an example of them putting in their share of work for duelingbook without having to follow a strict schedule.

[quote="Alter-Ego":3th3y1sw]Oof all I see in this post is excuses, we all know DB judges is juste an exclusive club for lazy uninterested sad people, most respected DN judges made the move, I wonder if at some point DB reached to those said judges.[/quote:3th3y1sw]

There is no evidence that judges are lazy, uninterested, and sad. I'm sure many of them work hard in real life and are also interested in balancing between real life and judging.

I know I that it is better to have better judges, but how much skill do you need to handle an AFK?
There should either be junior judges, more judges, or judges for things like boosting, AFK, or being mean.

[quote="Christen57":2t69xg3o][quote="Renji Asuka":2t69xg3o][quote="Christen57":2t69xg3o]

Can you show us how to use it and how it works?



Do you have the replay for this?



Judges have their own lives to live too. They can't invest all their time into just judging. In fact, putting judges on "shifts" would be counterproductive for 3 reasons.

1. Judges can have their real life schedules change without warning which may end up conflicting with the schedule set for them for duelingbook.

2. Multiple judges could want to come online answering many calls but wouldn't be able to do so because one of them has to wait for the other's shift to finish.

3. If you have a judge who's shift starts at 2 o'clock and ends at 4 o'clock, but that judge wants to either come online before 2 o'clock to do some judging early or remain online after 4 o'clock to answer calls since they have more free time on their hands, they wouldn't be able to do so. They would have to go offline since their shift is up.

Judges have to be allowed plenty of flexibility, and shifts hinder that. Simply requiring judges to take a certain number of calls every week is good enough.[/quote:2t69xg3o]

The idea of "Judges having lives" isn't an excuse, any reasonable adult knows this. Yes real life responsibilities come first, BUT IF YOU VOLUNTEER FOR SOMETHING YOU NEED TO PUT IN THE WORK TO DO SAID THING YOU VOLUNTEER TO DO. If you're too busy to spend about 3 hours of your time to help players in rated, then you shouldn't be a judge. If you volunteer at a place in real life, you are still having to show up on time for whatever you're volunteering for. You only screw things up if you don't show up at designated times.[/quote:2t69xg3o]

I've already explained why it's better to expect judges to take a certain number of calls per week than to expect judges to be online for a certain number of hours per day.

Also stop comparing judging on duelingbook to volunteering for places in real life. Volunteering involves being "on time" at "designated times". Judging involves taking a certain number of calls per week/month.

Judges having lives is meant to be an explanation, not an excuse. Excuses are meant to deny the situation or shift the blame for a situation onto something or someone else without improving it. Explanations are meant to acknowledge the situation and try to improve it without shifting the blame to anything or anyone else.

[quote="Eidas":2t69xg3o][quote="Christen57":2t69xg3o]

Do you have the replay for this?

[/quote:2t69xg3o]


I could go get it, why?[/quote:2t69xg3o]

Because oftentimes when people complain about judges here being abusive either they refuse to back it up with evidence or someone provides evidence that only ends up showing that the judge was justified in doing whatever they did.

[quote="Renji Asuka":2t69xg3o][quote="DarkPhenix":2t69xg3o]


There were a fair amount of DN Judges that were somewhat corrupt, or did not adhere to staff policy. In DB, there is a MUCH higher expectation for staff members and DN did not have.[/quote:2t69xg3o]
If there is higher expectations for staff members on DB, then why is it difficult to have judges to be on regularly? Shouldn't that be one of the expectations? To hire someone and have them do their job on the regular?

Mind you, I'm not asking for judges to be on for 8 hours a day. But are you honestly telling me NONE can actually do their job they volunteered for about 3 hours a day? I mean you can get everyone's schedule on when they can be free, then create a system revolving around that. I mean DB had about almost 4 years now to get this sorted out but refused cause heaven forbid judges actually be active on the regular.

Idk, I rather just see a DB get BETTER, instead of it being subpar.[/quote:2t69xg3o]

Back on dueling network, it was decided that it was better to have good judges that weren't very active than to have bad judges that were very active. I assume that mindset carried over to dueling book.

Getting everyone's schedule and making a system around that sounds simple on paper, but schedules can and will rapidly change unexpectedly, especially when we have like 40 different judges all with varying amounts of free time. It would be tedious to keep adjusting the universal schedule for all 40 judges because one of them had a sudden change of plans.

As long as the judges are required to take a certain number of calls per week, that's good enough. It allows them to set their own flexible schedules and be able to adjust them whenever they need without being too inactive. Some judges have only 1 day off per week where they can spend that day answering 30 calls, others may have 2 days off per week where they can answer 15 calls each of those days, and others may have 3 days off per week where they can answer 10 calls each of those days. Either way, they're all answering a total of at least 30 calls per week, so that's an example of them putting in their share of work for duelingbook without having to follow a strict schedule.

[quote="Alter-Ego":2t69xg3o]Oof all I see in this post is excuses, we all know DB judges is juste an exclusive club for lazy uninterested sad people, most respected DN judges made the move, I wonder if at some point DB reached to those said judges.[/quote:2t69xg3o]

There is no evidence that judges are lazy, uninterested, and sad. I'm sure many of them work hard in real life and are also interested in balancing between real life and judging.[/quote:2t69xg3o]
Mind you, its players volunteering THEIR TIME AND ENERGY to be a judge, so yes its the same as doing irl, the only difference is, you're at your PC or Phone doing the job instead of doing whatever physical labor you're helping with.

Issue isnt the number of judges... Judges got lives and unlike you, it doesnt revolve around a children's card game. If they wanted more judges fast, theyd have to lower the bar of admission, meaning more judges, but at a lower quality. You also give some kids on this site even a little bit of power and theyll let it go to their head and abuse it. Its the same reason you cant trust people to police themselves, they just arent trust worthy.

[quote="d1234":g50y1dcf]I know I that it is better to have better judges, but how much skill do you need to handle an AFK?
There should either be junior judges, more judges, or judges for things like boosting, AFK, or being mean.[/quote:g50y1dcf]
There is a lot more stuff that goes into an afk call than you think. Atleast 6 different factors and things you have to look over in afk calls at a base level

[quote="GayNProud":jinmw68r][quote="Genexwrecker":jinmw68r][quote="Renji Asuka":jinmw68r]Hell, when I volunteer at the church in town to help pass out food, I have to be there before people start showing up to get food to not only help set it up, but to also bring in MORE food that is given out. I'm not being paid to do it. Sorry Genexwrecker, there's just no excuse to be this lax even with volunteers. Mind you, I'm not saying they have to dedicate their entire day, but they can literally dedicate 3-4 hours of helping, and if they can't (outside of real life responsibilities), they don't need to be a judge.[/quote:jinmw68r]
Volunteering irl is an entirely different scenario. You cannot possibly compare it to running a non profit free site. Irl you have set dates and times where things need to occur. a website is literally run 24/7 and there is always stuff to do. And getting Judges hired from each timezone is also very difficult because not only do they need to be from those timezones but they need to know very very good english to judge properly. Trying to get multiple people from each timezone with those english skills and ability to be a very competent judge is absurdly rare. it took us forever to just get more than 1 judge that resides in brazil. Now then as for your 3-4 hours to judge straight you have to realize the task you are asking of people this isnt something that you can binge and do a good job at. Judging on duelingbook varies call to call and pending on what the calls are you might not be at the mental capacity after just 5 calls to go any furthur without huring the quality of the calls. sometimes you could go 40 calls without issue. There are so many variables to how long one can consistantly judge at one time. We do have a minimum requirements of each judge and specific duties they must fulfill. If they cannot fulfill those then they will be removed.[/quote:jinmw68r]

All I am hearing you say is that there is no solution to the problem of not having enough judges/judges throughout the day. No matter what the reasons are, we need to be working towards solving the problem in one shape or form.

For example, here is an idea someone proposed: creating a different tier of judges. Ones who only have the ability to give game losses to individuals who have been maliciously AFK. Nothing more nothing else.[/quote:jinmw68r]

It's just impossible to have a Judge on 24/7 no matter how many get hired. People have lifes

[quote="GayNProud":21xttf5b][quote="Genexwrecker":21xttf5b][quote="Christen57":21xttf5b]

I believe I'm the one that suggested this, although I can't remember where exactly on the forum I suggested it, but Genexwrecker said he wouldn't consider this... for some reason.[/quote:21xttf5b]We discussed the idea of having different judges for different things or mods and decided it was an absolute no. this has not changed since then.[/quote:21xttf5b]

Again, offer us some kind of solution. Tell us you are working on it. Ask us to brainstorm with you. Tell us how we can help. All you are doing is just shutting down everything, and leaving unsatisfied and maliciously stalled.

There is just no solution you're asking for the impossible.

You did interact with me in my other post about "judges ignoring reports". The issue here goes hand in hand with that. I would not need to make NUMEROUS abuse reports if I did not have to deal with almost every single issue myself due to judges never coming on. Judges are almost NEVER on. This is crazy.

Well, you would think if there are numerous in your duels then it would be you? Anyway, abuse reports are there for when we are not able to get to your call etc so use it? You act like we are slaves that need to be online at your beck and call...

No matter how many internal rules and policies you cannot share with us, all we actually care about is the RESULT. What is the result we have? Judges not on most of the day. And whenever they are on, they are just too few judges for the abundance of calls. Couple that with the fact that you guys do not respond to abuse reports, you get RAMPAGE running around in the website's rated sections.

Judges are on a lot of times. You forget this period is busy for people at work and also those who have exams coming up. I have personally handled over 500 abuse reports and still do. A lot do, like a lot of things it takes time to handle everything but we still handle them.


Now, go back and think about your very strict criteria for hiring judges. Why do you enforce this? Isn't it to keep the quality of the website high? Is that the result you are actually achieving? No. Meaning? Something must change.

Criteria isn't really that strict and we need to hire Judges who will actually be good Judges. I have no idea why you would want more Judges at the sacrifice of them not being good at you....know Judging? It's fine how it currently is. You might not always have a Judge on but that's just how it is.

It is not like we are over here just bitching and complaining. We are trying to propose solutions.

You literally kinda are. The solution? try and communicate with your opponents and solve issues before relying on a Judge. A Judge will not always be online that's just impossible no matter how many you hire let's be logical here. A schedule wouldn't work this is volunteer also people have things in their lives that can randomly pop up.
[/quote:21xttf5b]

[quote="Renji Asuka":21xttf5b][quote="Christen57":21xttf5b][quote="Renji Asuka":21xttf5b]
The lazy part is how I see the whole situation, could I had worded it differently? Yes, but its what I see and how I honestly feel about it. Its more of being blunt than anything.

Also if you're in the middle of a duel in rated, why would you leave to take a shower or do something else? Why not do all those things before you get on DB?[/quote:21xttf5b]

We need solutions, not insults. The staff doesn't struggle to hire more judges because they're lazy. They struggle to do it because they have strict criteria for becoming a judge. If you believe their standards are too high, then focus on that, but having high standards isn't laziness. Lazy means wanting to do as little work as possible. Hiring the right judges based on their criteria is a lot of work.

Also, sometimes unexpected things happen. Maybe I'm in the middle of a rated duel and I need to answer the door, take a phone call, or get something to eat because I suddenly have a growth spurt. It would help if I had the browser alert me with a sound when a judge arrives so I know I need to return to the duel immediately. I don't want to just sit in my chair staring at my screen for over an hour as I wait for a judge to arrive. I want to be able to pass the time without worrying about a judge coming when I'm not there don't know about it then giving me a loss for not sitting in my chair for over an hour straight, waiting, and staring at the screen. An alert system would make waiting for judges less boring and less stressful.[/quote:21xttf5b]
I never once advocate for more hiring judges, but every solution given to them are easy things to implement, they don't want to do it. I only been advocating for Judges to be put on shifts. And the fact its being shot down is showing that the judges don't want to do their job making them lazy. There is 0 excuse for judges not to be online.[/quote:21xttf5b]
This is not a Job. You actually get paid for Jobs? Sure if this actually paid like a normal Job I'd be on a lot more. It doesn't that's the reality and people have to make a living cut the lazy bs and stop acting like you have it all figured out. Honestly it gets tiring when people act like their idea is the best in the world when it's not. You just sound super entitled.

[quote="Alter-Ego":21xttf5b]Oof all I see in this post is excuses, we all know DB judges is juste an exclusive club for lazy uninterested sad people, most respected DN judges made the move, I wonder if at some point DB reached to those said judges.[/quote:21xttf5b]

Yea cut the crap, Judges weren't online 24/7 on DN so don't act like it's only on DB just stop.

Ending statement: At least Christen57 thinks logically.

Nice

[quote="Runzy":30b4dbkq][quote="GayNProud":30b4dbkq][quote="Genexwrecker":30b4dbkq]We discussed the idea of having different judges for different things or mods and decided it was an absolute no. this has not changed since then.[/quote:30b4dbkq]

Again, offer us some kind of solution. Tell us you are working on it. Ask us to brainstorm with you. Tell us how we can help. All you are doing is just shutting down everything, and leaving unsatisfied and maliciously stalled.

There is just no solution you're asking for the impossible.

You did interact with me in my other post about "judges ignoring reports". The issue here goes hand in hand with that. I would not need to make NUMEROUS abuse reports if I did not have to deal with almost every single issue myself due to judges never coming on. Judges are almost NEVER on. This is crazy.

Well, you would think if there are numerous in your duels then it would be you? Anyway, abuse reports are there for when we are not able to get to your call etc so use it? You act like we are slaves that need to be online at your beck and call...

No matter how many internal rules and policies you cannot share with us, all we actually care about is the RESULT. What is the result we have? Judges not on most of the day. And whenever they are on, they are just too few judges for the abundance of calls. Couple that with the fact that you guys do not respond to abuse reports, you get RAMPAGE running around in the website's rated sections.

Judges are on a lot of times. You forget this period is busy for people at work and also those who have exams coming up. I have personally handled over 500 abuse reports and still do. A lot do, like a lot of things it takes time to handle everything but we still handle them.


Now, go back and think about your very strict criteria for hiring judges. Why do you enforce this? Isn't it to keep the quality of the website high? Is that the result you are actually achieving? No. Meaning? Something must change.

Criteria isn't really that strict and we need to hire Judges who will actually be good Judges. I have no idea why you would want more Judges at the sacrifice of them not being good at you....know Judging? It's fine how it currently is. You might not always have a Judge on but that's just how it is.

It is not like we are over here just bitching and complaining. We are trying to propose solutions.

You literally kinda are. The solution? try and communicate with your opponents and solve issues before relying on a Judge. A Judge will not always be online that's just impossible no matter how many you hire let's be logical here. A schedule wouldn't work this is volunteer also people have things in their lives that can randomly pop up.
[/quote:30b4dbkq]

[quote="Renji Asuka":30b4dbkq][quote="Christen57":30b4dbkq]

We need solutions, not insults. The staff doesn't struggle to hire more judges because they're lazy. They struggle to do it because they have strict criteria for becoming a judge. If you believe their standards are too high, then focus on that, but having high standards isn't laziness. Lazy means wanting to do as little work as possible. Hiring the right judges based on their criteria is a lot of work.

Also, sometimes unexpected things happen. Maybe I'm in the middle of a rated duel and I need to answer the door, take a phone call, or get something to eat because I suddenly have a growth spurt. It would help if I had the browser alert me with a sound when a judge arrives so I know I need to return to the duel immediately. I don't want to just sit in my chair staring at my screen for over an hour as I wait for a judge to arrive. I want to be able to pass the time without worrying about a judge coming when I'm not there don't know about it then giving me a loss for not sitting in my chair for over an hour straight, waiting, and staring at the screen. An alert system would make waiting for judges less boring and less stressful.[/quote:30b4dbkq]
I never once advocate for more hiring judges, but every solution given to them are easy things to implement, they don't want to do it. I only been advocating for Judges to be put on shifts. And the fact its being shot down is showing that the judges don't want to do their job making them lazy. There is 0 excuse for judges not to be online.[/quote:30b4dbkq]
This is not a Job. You actually get paid for Jobs? Sure if this actually paid like a normal Job I'd be on a lot more. It doesn't that's the reality and people have to make a living cut the lazy bs and stop acting like you have it all figured out. Honestly it gets tiring when people act like their idea is the best in the world when it's not. You just sound super entitled.

[quote="Alter-Ego":30b4dbkq]Oof all I see in this post is excuses, we all know DB judges is juste an exclusive club for lazy uninterested sad people, most respected DN judges made the move, I wonder if at some point DB reached to those said judges.[/quote:30b4dbkq]

Yea cut the crap, Judges weren't online 24/7 on DN so don't act like it's only on DB just stop.

Ending statement: At least Christen57 thinks logically.[/quote:30b4dbkq]

As a judge who is able to see my reports and have handled some of them, I do not understand how could you say that I am "the problem". My ONLY "problem" is that my deck of choice is Mystic Mine. As someone who follows the rules of this website, I have the right for my opponents to follow the rules as well. 99.9% of my numerous reports are about my opponents EXPLICITLY breaking these rules, particularly the most recent ones. I am talking about straight up cheating or malicious stalling that they admitted to in the chat. Why aren't these people frozen? How am I the problem there? Because I play a deck that irritated them enough to decide to break the rules?

This is exactly the same mentality you guys used when you unfairly demoted Kitty Trouble for her personal and legal decision to play Pole Position and when she argued back about the legality of her choice. You are LUCKY that I didn't dedicate a post to expose you on that (yet). Stop attacking us and making it sound like you are doing us charity, when you got a lot of work to do behind the scenes to fix your problems. If you choose or decide to operate this website, you must do it right. There are objective metrics that are not debatable for what "doing it right" looks like, and one of them is without a doubt the expectation for people to follow your rules. This is what this entire post is ultimately about.

Oh and Genex, my eyes fell out of my face from rolling around at your "6 factors that go into an AFK" comment. You literally are trying to make it sound like you Yu-Gi-Oh DB judges are brain surgeons. Any fucking idiot would be able to handle 99.9% of AFK issues. AFK = Away from the motherfucking keyboard. Gosh, this is out of pocket.

1.) that isnt what happened with kitty trouble there is a lot of details on that you dont have access to but they were not demoted for wanting to play pole position that is just factually incorrect.
2.) yea no I assure you there are several steps that go into an afk call its not just a simple "hello you here? 30s"

[quote="GayNProud":32pobfv2]As a judge who is able to see my reports and have handled some of them, I do not understand how could you say that I am "the problem".[/quote:32pobfv2]

And which judge are you supposed to be then?

What is your number?

The person I quoted is the judge, not me. Lol.

That makes more sense lol

[quote="GayNProud":3bcdzj07][quote="Runzy":3bcdzj07][quote="GayNProud":3bcdzj07]

Again, offer us some kind of solution. Tell us you are working on it. Ask us to brainstorm with you. Tell us how we can help. All you are doing is just shutting down everything, and leaving unsatisfied and maliciously stalled.

There is just no solution you're asking for the impossible.

You did interact with me in my other post about "judges ignoring reports". The issue here goes hand in hand with that. I would not need to make NUMEROUS abuse reports if I did not have to deal with almost every single issue myself due to judges never coming on. Judges are almost NEVER on. This is crazy.

Well, you would think if there are numerous in your duels then it would be you? Anyway, abuse reports are there for when we are not able to get to your call etc so use it? You act like we are slaves that need to be online at your beck and call...

No matter how many internal rules and policies you cannot share with us, all we actually care about is the RESULT. What is the result we have? Judges not on most of the day. And whenever they are on, they are just too few judges for the abundance of calls. Couple that with the fact that you guys do not respond to abuse reports, you get RAMPAGE running around in the website's rated sections.

Judges are on a lot of times. You forget this period is busy for people at work and also those who have exams coming up. I have personally handled over 500 abuse reports and still do. A lot do, like a lot of things it takes time to handle everything but we still handle them.


Now, go back and think about your very strict criteria for hiring judges. Why do you enforce this? Isn't it to keep the quality of the website high? Is that the result you are actually achieving? No. Meaning? Something must change.

Criteria isn't really that strict and we need to hire Judges who will actually be good Judges. I have no idea why you would want more Judges at the sacrifice of them not being good at you....know Judging? It's fine how it currently is. You might not always have a Judge on but that's just how it is.

It is not like we are over here just bitching and complaining. We are trying to propose solutions.

You literally kinda are. The solution? try and communicate with your opponents and solve issues before relying on a Judge. A Judge will not always be online that's just impossible no matter how many you hire let's be logical here. A schedule wouldn't work this is volunteer also people have things in their lives that can randomly pop up.
[/quote:3bcdzj07]

[quote="Renji Asuka":3bcdzj07]
I never once advocate for more hiring judges, but every solution given to them are easy things to implement, they don't want to do it. I only been advocating for Judges to be put on shifts. And the fact its being shot down is showing that the judges don't want to do their job making them lazy. There is 0 excuse for judges not to be online.[/quote:3bcdzj07]
This is not a Job. You actually get paid for Jobs? Sure if this actually paid like a normal Job I'd be on a lot more. It doesn't that's the reality and people have to make a living cut the lazy bs and stop acting like you have it all figured out. Honestly it gets tiring when people act like their idea is the best in the world when it's not. You just sound super entitled.

[quote="Alter-Ego":3bcdzj07]Oof all I see in this post is excuses, we all know DB judges is juste an exclusive club for lazy uninterested sad people, most respected DN judges made the move, I wonder if at some point DB reached to those said judges.[/quote:3bcdzj07]

Yea cut the crap, Judges weren't online 24/7 on DN so don't act like it's only on DB just stop.

Ending statement: At least Christen57 thinks logically.[/quote:3bcdzj07]

As a judge who is able to see my reports and have handled some of them, I do not understand how could you say that I am "the problem". My ONLY "problem" is that my deck of choice is Mystic Mine. As someone who follows the rules of this website, I have the right for my opponents to follow the rules as well. 99.9% of my numerous reports are about my opponents EXPLICITLY breaking these rules, particularly the most recent ones. I am talking about straight up cheating or malicious stalling that they admitted to in the chat. Why aren't these people frozen? How am I the problem there? Because I play a deck that irritated them enough to decide to break the rules?

This is exactly the same mentality you guys used when you unfairly demoted Kitty Trouble for her personal and legal decision to play Pole Position and when she argued back about the legality of her choice. You are LUCKY that I didn't dedicate a post to expose you on that (yet). Stop attacking us and making it sound like you are doing us charity, when you got a lot of work to do behind the scenes to fix your problems. If you choose or decide to operate this website, you must do it right. There are objective metrics that are not debatable for what "doing it right" looks like, and one of them is without a doubt the expectation for people to follow your rules. This is what this entire post is ultimately about.

Oh and Genex, my eyes fell out of my face from rolling around at your "6 factors that go into an AFK" comment. You literally are trying to make it sound like you Yu-Gi-Oh DB judges are brain surgeons. Any fucking idiot would be able to handle 99.9% of AFK issues. AFK = Away from the motherfucking keyboard. Gosh, this is out of pocket.[/quote:3bcdzj07]

Wait what happened with Kitty Trouble? What do you mean they wanted Pole Position? Does it have to do with that new ruling on Pole Position where if it would cause an infinite loop it instead is sent to the graveyard, so it can no longer be combined with Invoked Purgatrio to lock the opponent out of playing cards?

The new ruling was clarified by Konami lol

[quote="Genexwrecker":2dc5r6a9]There is already an alarm feature when we enter your games btw.

If you dont like the fact we aren't always online then you do not have to use the site. If you dont like the product provided don't use it.[/quote:2dc5r6a9]

How do we activate this alarm feature? Is it automatically activated when a judge enters the game?

When a Judge enters the game, and you are on a different tab, your tab will suddenly say A Judge has Entered the Game or something similar. Additionally, if I remember correctly, some sort of sound will play too

Maybe if Xteven gives judges a reward for being judges, more people would be interested in the possition. Maybe the perks of a custom pfp as a dono user, etc. So far the only reward judges have for being judges is the option to crash their opponent's connection mid-duel.

Maybe that would wortk, but it could also bring unwanted attention to the judge applications. If you think of it, people will start to apply for judges just for getting that custom profile and maybe overwhealm the applications, not to forget the problem isn't the amount of applications, the "problem" is the high standards there are to become a judge.

[quote="Lil Oldman":16dt1o76]Maybe that would wortk, but it could also bring unwanted attention to the judge applications. If you think of it, people will start to apply for judges just for getting that custom profile and maybe overwhealm the applications, not to forget the problem isn't the amount of applications, the "problem" is the high standards there are to become a judge.[/quote:16dt1o76]

There's a lot of qualified people in DB. The only problem is the time. Nobody wants to work for free. Some people can turn the "free work" into paid work like Coder, he voluntarily takes the judge calls but he streams it on Twitch, people watch him, making his YT channel grow, as wel as receiving donations on Twitch from time to time.

There are already a massive amount of people who applied for this test, and even more might apply when the new test comes out. Applications are not the problem.

Considering what Genexwrecker said, a good way to find reliable people would be by recommendation, if there's an excellent judge, and recommends one of his friends to be a judge, and this friend proves to do their job right, then it would be an easy way to invite new judges.

[quote="GayNProud":wn2xmold]I agree with Renji here. There are plenty of people who are happy to align their availability on DB as a judge with their real life availability to play DB. Just because someone is not getting paid to do a job, that does not mean they do not report on time. They CHOSE to volunteer, so it is okay to set those standards (just like you have standards for them in the way they behave.)

With scheduling, enough overlap, and judges from different timezones, we WILL always have judges on and won't have to wait 50 years per call.[/quote:wn2xmold]
The type of person who would align their IRL schedule to volunteer on DB is also the type of person who would likely abuse any power given to them.

[quote="| Hanverid |":1jkp8lmg]Maybe if Xteven gives judges a reward for being judges, more people would be interested in the possition. Maybe the perks of a custom pfp as a dono user, etc. So far the only reward judges have for being judges is the option to crash their opponent's connection mid-duel.[/quote:1jkp8lmg]
All judges except me and the heads get customs based on the amount of calls we take

[quote="Christen57":3bgowpyt][quote="Genexwrecker":3bgowpyt]There is already an alarm feature when we enter your games btw.

If you dont like the fact we aren't always online then you do not have to use the site. If you dont like the product provided don't use it.[/quote:3bgowpyt]

How do we activate this alarm feature? Is it automatically activated when a judge enters the game?[/quote:3bgowpyt]
If you are on a different tab when we enter an alarm will sound and the top of the dB tab will change text

[quote="ominous":sfz48hy6][quote="GayNProud":sfz48hy6]I agree with Renji here. There are plenty of people who are happy to align their availability on DB as a judge with their real life availability to play DB. Just because someone is not getting paid to do a job, that does not mean they do not report on time. They CHOSE to volunteer, so it is okay to set those standards (just like you have standards for them in the way they behave.)

With scheduling, enough overlap, and judges from different timezones, we WILL always have judges on and won't have to wait 50 years per call.[/quote:sfz48hy6]
The type of person who would align their IRL schedule to volunteer on DB is also the type of person who would likely abuse any power given to them.[/quote:sfz48hy6]
That right there is bullshit, and you know it.

I am being maliciously stalled now and of course, no judges have been on for a long while.

Still being maliciously stalled by the same opponent. They have been AFK upon losing for the past 2 hours.

Check out the replay. The player is paladin79. A judge never came. None were on.

https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=623896-25785491

That's what abuse reports is for.

[quote="Runzy":1t484k5c]That's what abuse reports is for.[/quote:1t484k5c]
But why have Judges, if none pop on? A person stalling for 2 hours is ridiculous. I thought the whole point of judges being online would prevent this from happening or at the very least, lessen the effect?

[quote="Renji Asuka":2amyw0e7][quote="Runzy":2amyw0e7]That's what abuse reports is for.[/quote:2amyw0e7]
But why have Judges, if none pop on? A person stalling for 2 hours is ridiculous. I thought the whole point of judges being online would prevent this from happening or at the very least, lessen the effect?[/quote:2amyw0e7]

Correct. Judges help lessen the amount of stalling situations like these, not prevent every single one of them.

[quote="Christen57":28u5fb2w][quote="Renji Asuka":28u5fb2w][quote="Runzy":28u5fb2w]That's what abuse reports is for.[/quote:28u5fb2w]
But why have Judges, if none pop on? A person stalling for 2 hours is ridiculous. I thought the whole point of judges being online would prevent this from happening or at the very least, lessen the effect?[/quote:28u5fb2w]

Correct. Judges help lessen the amount of stalling situations like these, not prevent every single one of them.[/quote:28u5fb2w]
But just having judges be on regularly, people are less likely to pull that crap.

[quote="Renji Asuka":1jg3hrko][quote="Christen57":1jg3hrko][quote="Renji Asuka":1jg3hrko]
But why have Judges, if none pop on? A person stalling for 2 hours is ridiculous. I thought the whole point of judges being online would prevent this from happening or at the very least, lessen the effect?[/quote:1jg3hrko]

Correct. Judges help lessen the amount of stalling situations like these, not prevent every single one of them.[/quote:1jg3hrko]
But just having judges be on regularly, people are less likely to pull that crap.[/quote:1jg3hrko]
People still do so even with Judges online.

[quote="Runzy":dp3huqys][quote="Renji Asuka":dp3huqys][quote="Christen57":dp3huqys]

Correct. Judges help lessen the amount of stalling situations like these, not prevent every single one of them.[/quote:dp3huqys]
But just having judges be on regularly, people are less likely to pull that crap.[/quote:dp3huqys]
People still do so even with Judges online.[/quote:dp3huqys]
Did...did you not read what was posted? Cause you're showing that you didn't.

[quote="Renji Asuka":hvfhtcqx][quote="Runzy":hvfhtcqx][quote="Renji Asuka":hvfhtcqx]
But just having judges be on regularly, people are less likely to pull that crap.[/quote:hvfhtcqx]
People still do so even with Judges online.[/quote:hvfhtcqx]
Did...did you not read what was posted? Cause you're showing that you didn't.[/quote:hvfhtcqx]
And you have not read a single post in this thread. There is nothing to discuss here anymore.

[quote="Genexwrecker":1ll8c34h][quote="Renji Asuka":1ll8c34h][quote="Runzy":1ll8c34h]
People still do so even with Judges online.[/quote:1ll8c34h]
Did...did you not read what was posted? Cause you're showing that you didn't.[/quote:1ll8c34h]
And you have not read a single post in this thread. There is nothing to discuss here anymore.[/quote:1ll8c34h]
More like, you don't want the discussion.

The entire discussion appears to have been had, are there any more points to bring up right now?

Cut the excuses and actually become judges, smh. If it's so bad and so easy to fix, just get yourself on the roster and fix the issue.

Not sure how "all the points were made". This guy maliciously stalled me for 2 hours, no judge came, and I made a report to no avail. Judges are not online and they never actually freeze these people once reported most of the time. They are telling us in our face that they won't do anything about it, we can stop using the site if we don't like it, and that there are no solutions.

AT LEAST judges should look into making punishments tougher for malicious stallers.

[quote="Wek":2mhrh2cf]Cut the excuses and actually become judges, smh. If it's so bad and so easy to fix, just get yourself on the roster and fix the issue. [/quote:2mhrh2cf]
Easier said than done, since you have to play "rated" and get "100 exp" And then somehow pass the judge text thing, without running into an idiot on rated while there aren't judges online in the first place.
I'm not taking anyone's side not even my own, everyone is stupid

Passing the Judge Test is the easiest qualification out of all them. There are thousands of people who have passed the test, but only a small portion of them are actually qualified expectations wise

[quote="Renji Asuka":2t35b9ys][quote="Genexwrecker":2t35b9ys][quote="Renji Asuka":2t35b9ys]
Did...did you not read what was posted? Cause you're showing that you didn't.[/quote:2t35b9ys]
And you have not read a single post in this thread. There is nothing to discuss here anymore.[/quote:2t35b9ys]
More like, you don't want the discussion.[/quote:2t35b9ys]
True

He posted on his real account, d123 exists Pog

[quote="Neo_Fire_Sonic":f90gp1k9]
I'm not taking anyone's side not even my own, everyone is stupid[/quote:f90gp1k9]

Might wanna rephrase that.

[quote="Jedx_EX":jtsay0gj][quote="Neo_Fire_Sonic":jtsay0gj]
I'm not taking anyone's side not even my own, everyone is stupid, especially Jedx_EX[/quote:jtsay0gj]

Might wanna rephrase that.[/quote:jtsay0gj]

Done, rephrased for you.

[quote="Neo_Fire_Sonic":1azc5ji1][quote="Wek":1azc5ji1]Cut the excuses and actually become judges, smh. If it's so bad and so easy to fix, just get yourself on the roster and fix the issue. [/quote:1azc5ji1]
Easier said than done, since you have to play "rated" and get "100 exp" And then somehow pass the judge text thing, without running into an idiot on rated while there aren't judges online in the first place.
I'm not taking anyone's side not even my own, everyone is stupid[/quote:1azc5ji1]

None of that sounded very hard. If you didn't want to take the free win vs moron via judge call, you can just admit defeat and get exp that way. Whatever your method, it's very doable.

If you purposely keep admitting defeat in order to gain xp, that is considered boosting, so be careful about that.

[quote="DarkPhenix":2cqgvqmd]If you purposely keep admitting defeat in order to gain xp, that is considered boosting, so be careful about that.[/quote:2cqgvqmd]
Big Q:
Is it boosting if I admit defeat the second they pull stupid stuff and there is no judges online?
Also 100 posts pog

If you admit defeat because you are not interested in playing out a game or feel that you cannot win, that is perfectly fine. But if you keep admitting defeat at a high volume, that could be flagged for boosting.