KTeknis | #1 | Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:37 PM | Delete | I once made some cards based on Ikaros from Heaven's Lost Properties. Today I overhauled the entire card. Can you please give a feedback about it? Fallen Angel Ikaros https://www.duelingbook.com/card?id=1694253Heaven's Lost Properties https://www.duelingbook.com/card?id=1694260Ikaros, The Heaven's Lost Properties https://www.duelingbook.com/card?id=1694264PS: Card is available for public use. |
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Rocket2 | #2 | Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:58 PM | Delete | Ah, I saw 9 lines in the effect box of "Ikaros", red flag. You break over the limit. You don't need the word "you can active this effect" 2 times. I said remove the attack once each as this should not be an activation, this save space & defeat the nuke effect. The 1st effect should be the standard: "This turn, your opponent cannot target or destroyed this card by card effect". Let your opponent Kaiju it, but don't let the opponent target it during the End Phase (It kind of beat the purpose).
However, an Equip Spell who is the monster must be equipped with that Union Monster, SS a Fusion Monster (which is not a Fusion Summon) but send monsters to the GY like a materials? ....I don't think the it will pull through even in casual play. -4 cards with 2 specific actions (Spell & Union). Go with Contact or standard Fusion Summon, or even a Main Deck Boss. |
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KTeknis | #3 | Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:50 PM | Delete | Alright. For now: - Fixed Ikaros Boss monster by removing the second eff and nerfing the first one. - Buffed It's Summoning method: Heaven's Lost Properties now simply removes the Union Ikaros for it's summon cost.
Tbh I kinda have difficulty of how to fix it's way too hard summoning condition. The idea of the cards is that Ikaros is "imprinted" to one of the monster on the field, so I made her reliant on having the imprinted in order to stay alive. Another idea i had is to simply tribute the equipped monster and probably some others one to summon the Boss Monster, although I don't think Ikaros absorb Tomoki and co to go into battle mode lol.
Anyway, do you have a better idea of it's summon method? |
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Rocket2 | #4 | Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:28 PM | Delete | How about a Main Deck LV8 Ikaros monster where when she is Tribute Summoned (or some other Specific SS methods), you can target 1 monster in your GY (like with Cyberdarkness Dragon), and equip it to this card. Then, she gain the following effects if it is equipped with a monster (so maybe combo with Union Carrier). Best at least 1 effect used the Equip card.
Btw, I think it is fine for her to attack after nuke the field, due to Judgment Dragon as the example, but go with monsters only to save text space on sparing the equip card. If going for this, make an another Ikaros card. And let see a non-archetype boss. Just 1 individual card. Post it here once you are done. |
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KTeknis | #5 | Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:28 AM | Delete | So, just one standalone card? At first I kinda confused with the idea, but I think I understand now. https://www.duelingbook.com/card?id=2097971I also had to admit, you gave me a very helpful advice there, even thought I once called your critic "Harsh"  |
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Rocket2 | #6 | Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:17 AM | Delete | [quote="KTeknis":1w0ahgdu]So, just one standalone card? At first I kinda confused with the idea, but I think I understand now. https://www.duelingbook.com/card?id=2097971I also had to admit, you gave me a very helpful advice there, even thought I once called your critic "Harsh"  [/quote:1w0ahgdu] Harsh but true I like this one better. Psct: "while this card is equipped", "destroy all", "target this card with a card". A standard each HOPT is fine, because a weakness that the opponent can just go after its equip card. Also change the HOPT to this "You can only use each of the following effects of "Uranus Queen Ikaros" once per turn", in between the Tribute Summon & the 2 other effects, because the only 1 HOPT actually said it stop after it is tribute summoned. Nvm, just go for standard each HOPT on the last line. Its not a broken card. Just an idea, how about upgrade the 3rd effect with something like Red-Eyes Slash Dragon, due to the weakness I had mentioned, and just made this card worth the Tribute Summon. PS: I just realized but Union Monsters work with this. I think it had a nice ring to it with the lore. |
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KTeknis | #7 | Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:43 AM | Delete | Thanks a lot. Fixed PSCT and given it an each HOPT instead. Also, for the "Red-Eyes Slash Dragon" style upgrade, you mean a way to replenish it's equip card? If so, some idea I had is either "Once per turn, you can equip 1 Monster to this card" Or Stardust Dragon style "The equipped monster re-equip itself at the End Phase" or "During end phase, if not eqipped, equip 1 monster from GY". Also, I suddenly have an Idea of making the old "Heaven's Lost Properties" Fusion version of Ikaros as the evolved version of the "Uranus Queen" variant. Maybe making it just a Fusion Monster that is "traditionally" Fusion Summoned with "Fallen Angel" And "Uranus Queen" as Material? EDIT: Re-Linked the card. https://www.duelingbook.com/card?id=2097971 |
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Rocket2 | #8 | Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:56 AM | Delete | Also, for the "Red-Eyes Slash Dragon" style upgrade, you mean a way to replenish it's equip card? The Quick Effect that trigger if any card you control is targeted by your opponent card effect. Konami seem to solve the problem that the opponent can always go after the equip card before the monster, and it just a broader negation. Your choice whether it is a monster equipped to it, or just a general equip card. Also, I suddenly have an Idea of making the old "Heaven's Lost Properties" Fusion version of Ikaros as the evolved version of the "Uranus Queen" variant. Maybe making it just a Fusion Monster that is "traditionally" Fusion Summoned with "Fallen Angel" And "Uranus Queen" as Material? Hmmmm, I'm not sure. In modern Fusion, most of them lack the old fashion 2 specific names (except popular anime monsters like Dark Magician or Neos). How about "Ikaros" monster + something not a specific card name? Fairy, LIGHT Union Monster, Fairy Union or something else. Also, have a look at all Monster, Spell, or Trap that perform Fusion Summon, before you make an Ikaros Fusion Spell, and see which one you like. Oh check if anyone else in DB have done this, so you can make a different one that standout. |
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KTeknis | #9 | Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:00 PM | Delete | Buffed Uranus Queen's protection effect by having it proc on effect targeting on all your card. To be honest I'm still conflicted on whatever keep the cost to just equipped monster, or all equipped card, which mean equip card is also OK. Seeing there's not many Union Monster there, let alone one that equip to any monster. (On the good side, Public Custom Union exist) Also for now, I made the Fusion material of the fusion version the following: 1 "Ikaros" Monster + 1 Level 5 or higher Fairy Monster. I once made it also accept Monster equipped with fallen Angel instead of Ikaros Monster, but it makes the card text long. To be honest, I was thinking of making the material even harder, but make the fusion even more stronger. Making the fusion made me thinking: How to make card with high cost justifiable? PS: I once posted the same request on this thread [url:1s2ng3r5]https://forum.duelingbook.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=13769[/url:1s2ng3r5] because I'm afraid people might not look at it, but I think I accidentally killed the thread. Rocket2 can you go there and post that you had given feedback on said thread, then post your Task there? Thanks. |
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