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I told him face down cards have no effects, so upon it being flipped face up it has 0 atk and 0 def, watch what he says in response (Skip to the end to see what im talking about)

and if you say im wrong: https://yugioh.fandom.com/wiki/Face-down
Face-down cards have no properties (name, Attribute, Type, Level/Rank, ATK, DEF, effect) until they are changed to face-up. there for his card had no atk and no def upon me attacking it!

[quote="CrystalMusic":zmr55oyp]https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=200963-16354080

I told him face down cards have no effects, so upon it being flipped face up it has 0 atk and 0 def, watch what he says in response (Skip to the end to see what im talking about)[/quote:zmr55oyp]

Clock Tower Lighthouse
This card's ATK/DEF are each equal to the number of turns that have passed since the start of this duel x 400.

It seems to be a continuous effect, akin to Gren Maju da Eiza, except with turns. And the monster was attacked, being flipped face-up during damage step, so it wouldn't be face-down and the ATK/DEF values would be determined accordingly. What's the big deal?

CrystalMusic just finds ways too cheat during duels.

What happened to you "turning a new leaf?" Oh wait, you were lying through your teeth.

At first I thought you were right, because if it only counted turns it was on the field you would be. But since it counts from the start of the duel your opponent was actually right and his monster actually should have 10800 DEF.

[quote="Ir0n":22p27r6x]At first I thought you were right, because if it only counted turns it was on the field you would be. But since it counts from the start of the duel your opponent was actually right and his monster actually should have 10800 DEF.[/quote:22p27r6x]

wrong even the rulebook states that facedown cards have no continuous effects. even if it was a flip effect it still wouldnt have worked. it needs to be face up to resolve a continuous effect. The monster has a continuous effect. Go on, tell me any "Continuous" card that can be used while it is face down. ill wait!

his card was facedown the entire duel, thus its effect was not applying. therefore his card has 0 atk and 0 def

Face-down cards have no properties (name, Attribute, Type, Level/Rank, ATK, DEF, effect) until they are changed to face-up
Source: https://yugioh.fandom.com/wiki/Face-down

I WIN! NEXT?

CrawtheShit is a watcher in that duel? i hate that guy lmao

CrystalMusic your cards are overpowered and unfair, for cards like yours most people tend to make cards like "At the start of the duel", "This card is unaffected" to try to battle against your non-sense effects. In other words, you ruin the custom cards pool.

[quote="| Hanverid |":2zhhxxgn]CrawtheShit is a watcher in that duel? i hate that guy lmao

CrystalMusic your cards are overpowered and unfair, for cards like yours most people tend to make cards like "At the start of the duel", "This card is unaffected" to try to battle against your non-sense effects. In other words, you ruin the custom cards pool.[/quote:2zhhxxgn]

um no. ppl who make insta wins ruined the custom cards pool. I didnt make any at start of duel effects until ppl started making insta wins (aka cards that require specific cost/setup/or set of cards but makes them win upon playing it) thus my "Denied" card was introduced as my first at start of duel card to forbid all forms of alt victories and forces both players to reduce ones LP to 0 to win.

So i didnt ruin the customs.

My original first strongest card was a 3k atk, 3k def spell negator monster that required 3 tributes in order to be normal summoned. I also made a duplicate of this but for traps. Basically a higher def horus lv 8 but with a higher and harder requirement to summon it. (I dont spam summon in 99% of the duels i play) the only 2 decks i have that spam summon are my six sams and one of my custom decks.

Try to not make cards like that, in general people similar effects to those lead to everyone making the same to their own cards, and nobody enjoying a game because everybody does use a card that can't leave the field, unaffected, can't lose the duel.

I only recommend people to use a card like that in the extra deck for specific situations, for example if the opponent is playing unfair, you CAN also play unfair. But if the opponent is playing fair, you should play fair as well, and admit defeat if you lose. I don't understand a lot of your duel notes, like the summoning spam, unfair cards, etc. Is like you want to play a DM vanilla era (even in that format, kaiba, yugi and a lot of characters did spam the field with a lot of monsters.) Kaiba for example did use that Crush Card Virus that worked like a Vanity's Emptiness.

[quote="CrystalMusic":3akqfnu7]Face-down cards have no properties (name, Attribute, Type, Level/Rank, ATK, DEF, effect) until they are changed to face-up
Source: https://yugioh.fandom.com/wiki/Face-down

I WIN! NEXT?[/quote:3akqfnu7]
The card is turned face-up when you attack

[quote="CrystalMusic":22teq6et][quote="Ir0n":22teq6et]At first I thought you were right, because if it only counted turns it was on the field you would be. But since it counts from the start of the duel your opponent was actually right and his monster actually should have 10800 DEF.[/quote:22teq6et]

wrong even the rulebook states that facedown cards have no continuous effects. even if it was a flip effect it still wouldnt have worked. it needs to be face up to resolve a continuous effect. The monster has a continuous effect. Go on, tell me any "Continuous" card that can be used while it is face down. ill wait!

his card was facedown the entire duel, thus its effect was not applying. therefore his card has 0 atk and 0 def[/quote:22teq6et]
[...]to resolve a continuous effect.[...]
Elaborate that, since the very rulebook says the following about Continuous Effects of monsters (https://img.yugioh-card.com/en/rulebook ... _EN_10.pdf Page 9):

This effect is active while the Effect Monster Card is face-up on the field. The effect starts when the face-up monster appears on the field, and ends once that monster is gone or is no longer face-up; there is no trigger for its activation. These monsters are most useful if you have a strategy to protect them while they are on the field.

[quote="CrystalMusic":22teq6et]Face-down cards have no properties (name, Attribute, Type, Level/Rank, ATK, DEF, effect) until they are changed to face-up
Source: https://yugioh.fandom.com/wiki/Face-down

I WIN! NEXT?[/quote:22teq6et]
The monster was changed face-up during damage calculation after you attacked it, as the replays shows and others have previously stated here. Since it considers the turns that have passed since the start of the game, the ATK/DEF values are defined following its continuous effect. You lose here.

[quote="Silvers Rayleigh":1mqv6omd][quote="CrystalMusic":1mqv6omd][quote="Ir0n":1mqv6omd]At first I thought you were right, because if it only counted turns it was on the field you would be. But since it counts from the start of the duel your opponent was actually right and his monster actually should have 10800 DEF.[/quote:1mqv6omd]

wrong even the rulebook states that facedown cards have no continuous effects. even if it was a flip effect it still wouldnt have worked. it needs to be face up to resolve a continuous effect. The monster has a continuous effect. Go on, tell me any "Continuous" card that can be used while it is face down. ill wait!

his card was facedown the entire duel, thus its effect was not applying. therefore his card has 0 atk and 0 def[/quote:1mqv6omd]
[...]to resolve a continuous effect.[...]
Elaborate that, since the very rulebook says the following about Continuous Effects of monsters (https://img.yugioh-card.com/en/rulebook ... _EN_10.pdf Page 9):

This effect is active while the Effect Monster Card is face-up on the field. The effect starts when the face-up monster appears on the field, and ends once that monster is gone or is no longer face-up; there is no trigger for its activation. These monsters are most useful if you have a strategy to protect them while they are on the field.

[quote="CrystalMusic":1mqv6omd]Face-down cards have no properties (name, Attribute, Type, Level/Rank, ATK, DEF, effect) until they are changed to face-up
Source: https://yugioh.fandom.com/wiki/Face-down

I WIN! NEXT?[/quote:1mqv6omd]
The monster was changed face-up during damage calculation after you attacked it, as the replays shows and others have previously stated here. Since it considers the turns that have passed since the start of the game, the ATK/DEF values are defined following its continuous effect. You lose here.[/quote:1mqv6omd]

[quote="Debt":23lmexnu][quote="CrystalMusic":23lmexnu]Face-down cards have no properties (name, Attribute, Type, Level/Rank, ATK, DEF, effect) until they are changed to face-up
Source: https://yugioh.fandom.com/wiki/Face-down

I WIN! NEXT?[/quote:23lmexnu]
The card is turned face-up when you attack[/quote:23lmexnu]
that may be but the card was not face up during the time it was on the field until i attacked thus his lighthouse which Lighthouse says:T"his card's ATK/DEF are each equal to the number of turns that have passed since the start of this duel x 400". that monster would have 0 atk and 0 def. it would have to have been face-up on the field to accumulate atk and def points! as i stated before:
Face-down cards have no properties (name, Attribute, Type, Level/Rank, ATK, DEF, effect) until they are changed to face-up
thus his lighthouse has no ATK or DEF. jeez. just how dense are you???

[quote="CrystalMusic":vjtaz7fn][quote="Debt":vjtaz7fn][quote="CrystalMusic":vjtaz7fn]Face-down cards have no properties (name, Attribute, Type, Level/Rank, ATK, DEF, effect) until they are changed to face-up
Source: https://yugioh.fandom.com/wiki/Face-down

I WIN! NEXT?[/quote:vjtaz7fn]
The card is turned face-up when you attack[/quote:vjtaz7fn]
that may be but the card was not face up during the time it was on the field until i attacked thus his lighthouse which Lighthouse says:T"his card's ATK/DEF are each equal to the number of turns that have passed since the start of this duel x 400". that monster would have 0 atk and 0 def. it would have to have been face-up on the field to accumulate atk and def points! as i stated before:
Face-down cards have no properties (name, Attribute, Type, Level/Rank, ATK, DEF, effect) until they are changed to face-up
thus his lighthouse has no ATK or DEF. jeez. just how dense are you???[/quote:vjtaz7fn]
The card as written doesn't check whether it's face up to accumulate atk. It only lasts looks at how many turns have passed to determine its atk/def values. It can be summoned on turn 10 and have 4000 atk

[quote="CrystalMusic":3q8bgumo][quote="Debt":3q8bgumo][quote="CrystalMusic":3q8bgumo]Face-down cards have no properties (name, Attribute, Type, Level/Rank, ATK, DEF, effect) until they are changed to face-up
Source: https://yugioh.fandom.com/wiki/Face-down

I WIN! NEXT?[/quote:3q8bgumo]
The card is turned face-up when you attack[/quote:3q8bgumo]
that may be but the card was not face up during the time it was on the field until i attacked thus his lighthouse which Lighthouse says:T"his card's ATK/DEF are each equal to the number of turns that have passed since the start of this duel x 400". that monster would have 0 atk and 0 def. it would have to have been face-up on the field to accumulate atk and def points! as i stated before:
Face-down cards have no properties (name, Attribute, Type, Level/Rank, ATK, DEF, effect) until they are changed to face-up
thus his lighthouse has no ATK or DEF. jeez. just how dense are you???[/quote:3q8bgumo]
Just like Ir0n has said, its attack isn't determined by how many turns has spent face-up on the field, but the total amount of turns since the beginning of the game.

the monsters effect is continuous, as i stated before name a continuous card that gets its effects while face down. You CANT cas there is none! Face down cards have NO EFFECTS!!!

[quote="CrystalMusic":3mwyytd8]the monsters effect is continuous, as i stated before name a continuous card that gets its effects while face down. You CANT cas there is none! Face down cards have NO EFFECTS!!![/quote:3mwyytd8]
The card as written has an effect that only checks for how many turns have passed. Nothing else matters for that card. It's not atk determined by how many turns it's been face-up. It's atk is determined by turns passed during the duel.

[quote="CrystalMusic":14gsoc08]the monsters effect is continuous, as i stated before name a continuous card that gets its effects while face down. You CANT cas there is none! Face down cards have NO EFFECTS!!![/quote:14gsoc08]
It became face-up when you attacked. It's the same deal with Muka Muka, Gren Maju da Eiza, Lost Guardian or Spearfish Soldier.

OMFG!!!!!!! onec it was face up it gains its effect at taht time no turns have passed since it was face up thus it has no atk or def value!!! what part of this do you ppl not understand???????

[quote="CrystalMusic":2czlz3ix]OMFG!!!!!!! onec it was face up it gains its effect at taht time no turns have passed since it was face up thus it has no atk or def value!!! what part of this do you ppl not understand???????[/quote:2czlz3ix]
That's not the card's effect. His card doesn't care about being face up. He can summon it at turn 10 and it'll gain 4000 atk because that's what the card looks at.

muka muka, gren maju, lost guardian and spearfish however do not require TURNS to gain atk, since the card was flipped face up, no turns have passed since it was face up, thus it has NO ATK AND NO DEF!

[quote="Debt":2nn7qjbn][quote="CrystalMusic":2nn7qjbn]OMFG!!!!!!! onec it was face up it gains its effect at taht time no turns have passed since it was face up thus it has no atk or def value!!! what part of this do you ppl not understand???????[/quote:2nn7qjbn]
That's not the card's effect. His card doesn't care about being face up. He can summon it at turn 10 and it'll gain 4000 atk because that's what the card looks at.[/quote:2nn7qjbn]

but the rulebook does: Facedown cards do NOT have effects!!!! effects cannot bypass the rulebook!!!

[quote="CrystalMusic":3jw4p6qi]OMFG!!!!!!! onec it was face up it gains its effect at taht time no turns have passed since it was face up thus it has no atk or def value!!! what part of this do you ppl not understand???????[/quote:3jw4p6qi]
What part of Debt's or Ir0n's explanation did you not understand? Or is the fact that you lost the duel/argument so unbearable?

CrystalMusic, you're the one who don't understand, unlike a continous effect for cards that boost a monster's ATK and DEF values. That guy's monster is a condition effect, similar to Green Maju Da Eiza (when it's flipped face-up it remains with its ATK/DEF factor).

[quote="CrystalMusic":m1vwcj4n][quote="Debt":m1vwcj4n][quote="CrystalMusic":m1vwcj4n]OMFG!!!!!!! onec it was face up it gains its effect at taht time no turns have passed since it was face up thus it has no atk or def value!!! what part of this do you ppl not understand???????[/quote:m1vwcj4n]
That's not the card's effect. His card doesn't care about being face up. He can summon it at turn 10 and it'll gain 4000 atk because that's what the card looks at.[/quote:m1vwcj4n]

but the rulebook does: Facedown cards do NOT have effects!!!! effects cannot bypass the rulebook!!![/quote:m1vwcj4n]
It gets flipped on atk, looks at the number of turns passed then gets atk based solely on the number of turns that's passed in the duel. That's how his card works.

and im done arguing with you low iq ppl, you clearly dont understand the rules of how cards work. if the rulebook says something like facedowns dont have effects, no if ands or buts about it, facedowns dont have effects!

crap like this is why i just reworded my knight of god to negate effects of monsters it battles with! NOW WHAT??? still think that card can overpower my Knight of God????

[quote="CrystalMusic":m5k3hkbz]and im done arguing with you low iq ppl, you clearly dont understand the rules of how cards work. if the rulebook says something like facedowns dont have effects, no if ands or buts about it, facedowns dont have effects![/quote:m5k3hkbz]
You refuse to understand how his card functions. It doesn't say it gains atk based on the number of turns the card has been on the field. It looks at the number of turns in the duel and gets atk. It doesn't matter if it's been on the field for 1 turn or 30, all that matters is the turn number.

[quote="CrystalMusic":2n4xo9t4][quote="Debt":2n4xo9t4][quote="CrystalMusic":2n4xo9t4]OMFG!!!!!!! onec it was face up it gains its effect at taht time no turns have passed since it was face up thus it has no atk or def value!!! what part of this do you ppl not understand???????[/quote:2n4xo9t4]
That's not the card's effect. His card doesn't care about being face up. He can summon it at turn 10 and it'll gain 4000 atk because that's what the card looks at.[/quote:2n4xo9t4]

but the rulebook does: Facedown cards do NOT have effects!!!! effects cannot bypass the rulebook!!![/quote:2n4xo9t4][quote="CrystalMusic":2n4xo9t4]and im done arguing with you low iq ppl, you clearly dont understand the rules of how cards work. if the rulebook says something like facedowns dont have effects, no if ands or buts about it, facedowns dont have effects![/quote:2n4xo9t4]
Well, you disregard all the arguments made here in favor of the rulebook. Well, the rulebook also says (Page 50):

Rules vs Card Effects
If there is a discrepancy between the basic rules and a card’s effect, the card effect takes precedence. For example, a monster can only attack once per turn, but with a card effect, it is possible to attack twice.

Also, Big Shield Gardna sends his regardnas.

[quote="NiwatoriFTW":1higeuf4][quote="CrystalMusic":1higeuf4][quote="Debt":1higeuf4]
That's not the card's effect. His card doesn't care about being face up. He can summon it at turn 10 and it'll gain 4000 atk because that's what the card looks at.[/quote:1higeuf4]

but the rulebook does: Facedown cards do NOT have effects!!!! effects cannot bypass the rulebook!!![/quote:1higeuf4][quote="CrystalMusic":1higeuf4]and im done arguing with you low iq ppl, you clearly dont understand the rules of how cards work. if the rulebook says something like facedowns dont have effects, no if ands or buts about it, facedowns dont have effects![/quote:1higeuf4]
Well, you disregard all the arguments made here in favor of the rulebook. Well, the rulebook also says (Page 50):

Rules vs Card Effects
If there is a discrepancy between the basic rules and a card’s effect, the card effect takes precedence. For example, a monster can only attack once per turn, but with a card effect, it is possible to attack twice.

Also, Big Shield Gardna sends his regardnas.[/quote:1higeuf4]

seems you guys forgot i only follow the 1st edition rulebook with the exeption on synchros and xyz's. current gen is just crap. i dont play current gen. i play oldschool, classic, the golden era the ORIGINAL era!

and since all duels i host are unrated theres nothing the site judges can do, ur allowed to play the way you want in unrated as long as its stated in your duel notes and following a rulebook, reguardless what version that rulebook is.

[quote="CrystalMusic":28pdp0ke]crap like this is why i just reworded my knight of god to negate effects of monsters it battles with! NOW WHAT??? still think that card can overpower my Knight of God????[/quote:28pdp0ke]
I think you're a sore loser and it's sad that a make believe duel had you so worked up

[quote="CrystalMusic":1w5fbs36]crap like this is why i just reworded my knight of god to negate effects of monsters it battles with! NOW WHAT??? still think that card can overpower my Knight of God????[/quote:1w5fbs36]
You just made a card more OP because... you cannot admit defeat due to a monsters whose effect is determining its ATK/DEF values?

Also, arguments don't change retroactively because you changed a factor at the present time.

[quote="CrystalMusic":2gxc9yur][quote="NiwatoriFTW":2gxc9yur][quote="CrystalMusic":2gxc9yur]

but the rulebook does: Facedown cards do NOT have effects!!!! effects cannot bypass the rulebook!!![/quote:2gxc9yur][quote="CrystalMusic":2gxc9yur]and im done arguing with you low iq ppl, you clearly dont understand the rules of how cards work. if the rulebook says something like facedowns dont have effects, no if ands or buts about it, facedowns dont have effects![/quote:2gxc9yur]
Well, you disregard all the arguments made here in favor of the rulebook. Well, the rulebook also says (Page 50):

Rules vs Card Effects
If there is a discrepancy between the basic rules and a card’s effect, the card effect takes precedence. For example, a monster can only attack once per turn, but with a card effect, it is possible to attack twice.

Also, Big Shield Gardna sends his regardnas.[/quote:2gxc9yur]

seems you guys forgot i only follow the 1st edition rulebook with the exeption on synchros and xyz's. current gen is just crap. i dont play current gen. i play oldschool, classic, the golden era the ORIGINAL era!

and since all duels i host are unrated theres nothing the site judges can do, ur allowed to play the way you want in unrated as long as its stated in your duel notes.[/quote:2gxc9yur]
Well, then you can't quote the official rules and expect people to follow yours. Also, the ruling about continuous effects is the same since the beginning of the game. The game changing other stuff changes nothing about your argument. Not to mention that you still lost the game, the argument here and possibly any duel that you stick with this line of (un)reasoning.

i wouldnt have lost due to how my knight of god works, i cant lose and u cant win while its out, it can only be stopped by a level 12 divine

[quote="CrystalMusic":ia1powd2]i wouldnt have lost due to how my knight of god works, i cant lose and u cant win while its out, it can only be stopped by a level 12 divine[/quote:ia1powd2]
It does shows how unreasonably afraid of losing you by creating and using that.

[quote="CrystalMusic":1beilhcs]i wouldnt have lost due to how my knight of god works, i cant lose and u cant win while its out, it can only be stopped by a level 12 divine[/quote:1beilhcs]
Because you can't handle losing. Even a duel of make believe. You can't be mature and just lose gracefully.

its not that im afraid of losing. I like giving my opponent something to work for.

[quote="CrystalMusic":2syubo42]i wouldnt have lost due to how my knight of god works, i cant lose and u cant win while its out, it can only be stopped by a level 12 divine[/quote:2syubo42]
So, if i use a monster with an effect like:

"You can't lose the duel. Unaffected by cards' effects, conditions, game mechanics. This monster can only leave the field by being destroyed by battle with a Level 1 WIND Rock monster"

Would you admit defeat? i'm curious.

[quote="CrystalMusic":39cwm23x]its not that im afraid of losing. I like giving my opponent something to work for.[/quote:39cwm23x]
Why do you make cards that literally require ESP to beat? If your opponent didn't know to bring a level 12 divine then they lose. That's not working for shit.

whatever im done here. duel the way you want when ur the host, but if yo ujoin me: its my rules, my way. dont like it? dont duel me.

Sounds reasonable.

Then get a group of friends who want to play the way you want to play. Randos don't deserve to get jerked around and fucked with so you can be an anime fan fic mary sue protagonist.

[quote="Debt":3p7c763t]Then get a group of friends who want to play the way you want to play. Randos don't deserve to get jerked around and fucked with so you can be an anime fan fic mary sue protagonist.[/quote:3p7c763t]

*stutters* what???

[quote="CrystalMusic":2vbok2ae][quote="NiwatoriFTW":2vbok2ae][quote="CrystalMusic":2vbok2ae]

but the rulebook does: Facedown cards do NOT have effects!!!! effects cannot bypass the rulebook!!![/quote:2vbok2ae][quote="CrystalMusic":2vbok2ae]and im done arguing with you low iq ppl, you clearly dont understand the rules of how cards work. if the rulebook says something like facedowns dont have effects, no if ands or buts about it, facedowns dont have effects![/quote:2vbok2ae]
Well, you disregard all the arguments made here in favor of the rulebook. Well, the rulebook also says (Page 50):

Rules vs Card Effects
If there is a discrepancy between the basic rules and a card’s effect, the card effect takes precedence. For example, a monster can only attack once per turn, but with a card effect, it is possible to attack twice.

Also, Big Shield Gardna sends his regardnas.[/quote:2vbok2ae]

seems you guys forgot i only follow the 1st edition rulebook with the exeption on synchros and xyz's. current gen is just crap. i dont play current gen. i play oldschool, classic, the golden era the ORIGINAL era!

and since all duels i host are unrated theres nothing the site judges can do, ur allowed to play the way you want in unrated as long as its stated in your duel notes and following a rulebook, reguardless what version that rulebook is.[/quote:2vbok2ae]


That's another mistake, kiddo. See, no matter if it's unrated or rated, you still have to follow the current rules put forward by Konami. By you acting like you're above the rules of the game itself, you're demonstrating that not only are you a sore loser and a hypocrite, but an egomaniac as well.

[quote="CrystalMusic":2ksoy5wl][quote="NiwatoriFTW":2ksoy5wl][quote="CrystalMusic":2ksoy5wl]

but the rulebook does: Facedown cards do NOT have effects!!!! effects cannot bypass the rulebook!!![/quote:2ksoy5wl][quote="CrystalMusic":2ksoy5wl]and im done arguing with you low iq ppl, you clearly dont understand the rules of how cards work. if the rulebook says something like facedowns dont have effects, no if ands or buts about it, facedowns dont have effects![/quote:2ksoy5wl]
Well, you disregard all the arguments made here in favor of the rulebook. Well, the rulebook also says (Page 50):

Rules vs Card Effects
If there is a discrepancy between the basic rules and a card’s effect, the card effect takes precedence. For example, a monster can only attack once per turn, but with a card effect, it is possible to attack twice.

Also, Big Shield Gardna sends his regardnas.[/quote:2ksoy5wl]

seems you guys forgot i only follow the 1st edition rulebook with the exeption on synchros and xyz's. current gen is just crap. i dont play current gen. i play oldschool, classic, the golden era the ORIGINAL era!

and since all duels i host are unrated theres nothing the site judges can do, ur allowed to play the way you want in unrated as long as its stated in your duel notes and following a rulebook, reguardless what version that rulebook is.[/quote:2ksoy5wl]
That rule even existed in 1.0 Rule Book LOL, also you don't play "old school, classic, or the golden era" considering you won't even follow the rules set by konami.

This is why it is better to duel in rated with the actual cards, to avoid such maters. In rated a judge would have been called and Crystalmusic ruled against and given a game loss if they did not comply, or frozen if it was revealed to be intentional as opposed to simply incompetent. Unfortunately unrated is filled with individuals who do not know the rules or actively cheat, Crystalmusic a known example of such things.

[quote="Sries Mslaiks":25rxdxv8]This is why it is better to duel in rated with the actual cards, to avoid such maters. In rated a judge would have been called and Crystalmusic ruled against and given a game loss if they did not comply, or frozen if it was revealed to be intentional as opposed to simply incompetent. Unfortunately unrated is filled with individuals who do not know the rules or actively cheat, Crystalmusic a known example of such things.[/quote:25rxdxv8]

ill never play rated because of what yugioh has become: A game of spam summons. If this was during the time of when zexal was just coming out, i would have played a rated duel but this site wasnt around at the time.

now a days my duel note is much more complex ussually containing: no pends, no meta, OR DM - early zexal only.

Have a nice day

Why pretend that spam summoning is all that you can't handle? You literally crumble to any form of removal because you make linear and fragile decks that don't require much thought to pilot.

[quote="CrystalMusic":ghi8u9nt][quote="Sries Mslaiks":ghi8u9nt]This is why it is better to duel in rated with the actual cards, to avoid such maters. In rated a judge would have been called and Crystalmusic ruled against and given a game loss if they did not comply, or frozen if it was revealed to be intentional as opposed to simply incompetent. Unfortunately unrated is filled with individuals who do not know the rules or actively cheat, Crystalmusic a known example of such things.[/quote:ghi8u9nt]

ill never play rated because of what yugioh has become: A game of spam summons. If this was during the time of when zexal was just coming out, i would have played a rated duel but this site wasnt around at the time.

now a days my duel note is much more complex ussually containing: no pends, no meta, OR DM - early zexal only.

Have a nice day[/quote:ghi8u9nt]
You know damn well if you play in rated, you'd see how bad of a player you actually are and you know damn well you'd get banned.

Crystal, how are you so stupid ? A face-down card and once flipped face-up have no effect ?

[quote="CrawTheShrimp":376ja1ej]Crystal, how are you so stupid ? A face-down card and once flipped face-up have no effect ?[/quote:376ja1ej]

I never said that. I said a face down card has no effect. jeez learn to read will you?

[quote="CrystalMusic":3cly8hut][quote="CrawTheShrimp":3cly8hut]Crystal, how are you so stupid ? A face-down card and once flipped face-up have no effect ?[/quote:3cly8hut]

I never said that. I said a face down card has no effect. jeez learn to read will you?[/quote:3cly8hut]
Indeed, that's what you have been saying in this topic all the time. However, that doesn't reflect the situation in the replay, no matter how many times you repeat it. It was face-up during the damage step and considers the total numbers of turns passed in the duel, not how many turns it passed while it was face-up.

You lost both the duel and the argument here already. Do you need to insist so badly over things that happened in a duel style nobody cares and counts for nothing, neither for the site nor for the regular player, just to keep your ego inflated?

An actually unique and interesting effect confuses Crystal

[quote="CrystalMusic":fhwwy9qj][quote="Sries Mslaiks":fhwwy9qj]This is why it is better to duel in rated with the actual cards, to avoid such maters. In rated a judge would have been called and Crystalmusic ruled against and given a game loss if they did not comply, or frozen if it was revealed to be intentional as opposed to simply incompetent. Unfortunately unrated is filled with individuals who do not know the rules or actively cheat, Crystalmusic a known example of such things.[/quote:fhwwy9qj]

ill never play rated because of what yugioh has become: A game of spam summons. If this was during the time of when zexal was just coming out, i would have played a rated duel but this site wasnt around at the time.

now a days my duel note is much more complex ussually containing: no pends, no meta, OR DM - early zexal only.

Have a nice day[/quote:fhwwy9qj]
It's called a game! If you cant hndle the complexicity of a game aimed at CHILDREN; then WHY ARE YOU HERE! aND WHIKE I'm at it, please delete your name it is offensive against mine, since I know what happens when a face down monster get s attackked!

[quote="CrystailMusic":20gfkf2c][quote="CrystalMusic":20gfkf2c][quote="Sries Mslaiks":20gfkf2c]This is why it is better to duel in rated with the actual cards, to avoid such maters. In rated a judge would have been called and Crystalmusic ruled against and given a game loss if they did not comply, or frozen if it was revealed to be intentional as opposed to simply incompetent. Unfortunately unrated is filled with individuals who do not know the rules or actively cheat, Crystalmusic a known example of such things.[/quote:20gfkf2c]

ill never play rated because of what yugioh has become: A game of spam summons. If this was during the time of when zexal was just coming out, i would have played a rated duel but this site wasnt around at the time.

now a days my duel note is much more complex ussually containing: no pends, no meta, OR DM - early zexal only.

Have a nice day[/quote:20gfkf2c]
It's called a game! If you cant hndle the complexicity of a game aimed at CHILDREN; then WHY ARE YOU HERE! aND WHIKE I'm at it, please delete your name it is offensive against mine, since I know what happens when a face down monster get s attackked![/quote:20gfkf2c]
Learn to spell properly, so people will take you seriously.

[quote="CrystalMusic":2099n6mj]OMFG!!!!!!! onec it was face up it gains its effect at taht time no turns have passed since it was face up thus it has no atk or def value!!! what part of this do you ppl not understand???????[/quote:2099n6mj]

Whoa dude calm down. It is very simple, because there is a card that works almost the same: Gren Maju Da Eiza.
While face-down the effect doesn't apply, but when you attack it gets flipped face-up and the continuous effect starts checking for ATK/DEF properties without starting a chain. That's why you can accidently lose the duel by attacking into Gren Maju while your opponent has more than 20 cards banished. Because upon being flipped Gren Maju suddenly has 8000+ ATK and DEF. This card in question works the exact same way, only it checks for turns passed since the start of the Duel instead of cards banished.

Now if it like collected counters that gave the ATK THEN you would be correct OR if it said:"This card gains X ATK for every turn it was face-up on the field." In this case you would also be correct. But this specific effect is worded in a way that allows it to passively and instantly check for the number of turns that passed within the current duel and thus immediately applies the ATK/DEF values.

Before you answer please look up how Gren Maju works.

Crystal is clearly just a troll, it would be better just to simply ignore them.

How many people need to tell you that you're wrong before it finally clicks?