M112x | #1 | Wed Feb 19, 2025 6:36 AM | Delete | I believe it arises whenever is requested an <<ok>> to continue from a crucial action (for ex the summon of a monster) the question of "how far does that <<ok>> go".
This depended on multiple factors. for some this may represent the pass of mere action (in accordance with what happens with the other N-1 platforms) for others, it becomes the pass for anything about the upcoming openGame state.
This is a problem that I believe must be governed. DB is however an online platform where facts like this can create dangerous dynamics in terms of mutual fairness. Now it is evident that those who approach the theme with regard to simple subtlety, it is inevitable that the concept of priority will also become relevant (I am referring to starting an ss2 chain with prio on an ss1 or to perform other actions such as summon).
Currently, the game controls include <<ok>> and <<ok extended>>. I think it is appropriate that the <<ok>> normal should be valid only for the area strictly to be confirmed.
I would like to add that the area of interest in question is related to the fact of giving an unambiguous interpretation in the logic of wanting to feel accused of playing slowly, but in full freedom to play as you want.
This category of stupid errors can also be heavily sanctioned. The fact is that there is just no right approach and that <<ok>> is deliberately taken in the form that I consider objectively ambiguous. Is it therefore itself (I refer to the <<ok>>) a trap? |
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Renji Asuka | #2 | Thu Feb 20, 2025 3:36 AM | Delete | There's a reason why a chat box exists...use it. |
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M112x | #3 | Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:35 AM | Delete | after a summon i click the button coz i'vent sj (OR I'VE SJ but i prefer dont use it, i didnt remember) but that for me not implied he/she can proceed free coz i play quick cards eff activable when turn player pass the prio. also in this situation opponent tell me that is cheating and judge tell me i think too much. isnt my intention mention the judge or the opponent.
silence isnt always afk or think moment but should be waiting for logical sequence.
[quote="Renji Asuka":vjz8c3ps]There's a reason why a chat box exists...use it.[/quote:vjz8c3ps]
i want to be able to dont discover my skills. if i 've set card like superpoly my opponent should be ask me if i want start a quick chain before he/she start a not quick chain or make an action like summon /set something.
THIS DOESNT HAPPEN. Based your opinion i must wait he/she made the move w/o ask me if i want prio or not and risk a frozen. WTF!!!
in that contest after long silence my opponent proceed to summon again using that monster as link material.. and when i told i wanna make something before he/she claim that's cheating.
DB should be playable as other N-1 platform.
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To be more clear: i want to be able to play card like superpoly w/o tell my opponent i play superpoly? This's pretty easy... lol if the game proceed w/o ask the right microstep this cant be my problem. the problem is: 1- from the platform that make ambiguity 2- from the other player that make i CANT CHAIN my superpoly (this card is only one simple example) to make he/she PROBABLY LOST his/her CL1 quick effect, as it's in my right. 3- i edit adding this: changing phase is rilevant but at the same lvl is rilevant the pass prio.
that make the game is too complicated for some players that want a fast and ez game? it'snt my fault. i cant risk frozen for his/her incompetence |
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Renji Asuka | #4 | Thu Feb 20, 2025 2:00 PM | Delete | If it isn't your turn, you can't make a move during an open game state anyways.
If the game isn't in an open game state, you can only react to actions that had taken place.
Again, use the chat box, it's right there. |
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M112x | #5 | Fri Feb 21, 2025 9:10 AM | Delete | whut? in every phase/step the turn player have the prio to start a quick chain if it'snt in his/her intention opponent have the prio to start a quick chain if not again the turn player have the opportunity to start a chain link 1 chain or attempt to perform a summon or set something.
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Actully "ok" button work as you say. but as you say is wrong. |
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Renji Asuka | #6 | Sun Feb 23, 2025 6:27 AM | Delete | Read what I said again.
I know you can do it. |
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M112x | #7 | Mon Feb 24, 2025 8:36 AM | Delete | Judge this gameplay sequence: P1 [4:58] Special Summoned "Kashtira Fenrir" from hand (4/5) to M-1 (ATK) P1 [5:04] Declared effect of "Kashtira Fenrir" in M-1 P2 [5:09] Signaled OK P2 [5:14] Sent "Effect Veiler" from hand (1/4) to GY P2 [5:15] Pointed at "Kashtira Fenrir" in M-1 P1 [5:26] "[5:09] Signaled OK" P1 [5:29] Viewed deck P2 [5:29] "ok summon" P1 [5:32] Stopped viewing Deck P1 [5:32] Shuffled deck P1 [5:50] "did you tell me something regard that?" P1 [6:07] "no" |
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Kitty Trouble | #8 | Mon Feb 24, 2025 8:42 AM | Delete | Ok was done 5 seconds after fenrirs effect so to me, your ok’ing everything up to and including fenrirs effect. If it was very quickly after, like 0-1 seconds, maybe 2, then I could see maybe you didn’t notice fenrir effect, but 5, it’s your job to communicate differently when using the ok button. |
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M112x | #9 | Mon Feb 24, 2025 8:45 AM | Delete | ok you want tell me my opponent (P2) want lye me (P1) in that contest. well ahahah It's nice to know that I spared my opponent a frozen |
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Kitty Trouble | #10 | Mon Feb 24, 2025 8:54 AM | Delete | I doubt anyone would get frozen over this but it’s really up to the judge whether they would allow the response and whether it was cheating. |
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M112x | #11 | Mon Feb 24, 2025 9:03 AM | Delete | [quote="Kitty Trouble":2tjm8ovk]I doubt anyone would get frozen over this but it’s really up to the judge whether they would allow the response and whether it was cheating.[/quote:2tjm8ovk]
I'm not sure at all what you say
in fact, in the timing it is a going back on the word and this is interpreted as lying that if said to the judge is a lying to a judge. It is in all respects a frozen |
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M112x | #12 | Mon Feb 24, 2025 9:04 AM | Delete | And I can assure you that this type of situation is quite frequent. Yes, I'm sure the "OK" button is a trap. |
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Renji Asuka | #13 | Mon Feb 24, 2025 5:28 PM | Delete | Literally...just use the chat box on the right hand side.
Pressing the Ok button doesn't mean anything.
It's there for a reason.
Use it. |
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M112x | #14 | Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:39 AM | Delete | I realize ok button is a trap. if you create trap that make confusion, "doesnt mean anything" well literally I must say that the request to have commands to make the game more fluent has completely failed, I denounce the fact that numerous disputes have arisen precisely because of the negligence inherent in your fallacious "problem solving".
On the other hand, the judges' group does not understand this negligence of the platform and does not respond as Kitty says. Too many frozen and too many strikes given because of YOUR TRAP. |
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Kitty Trouble | #15 | Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:18 AM | Delete | I don't really understand or care about your specific complaint, but if you're talking about a cheating freeze, if the judge determines that cheating happened then they'll freeze, and if not they won't. |
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M112x | #16 | Tue Feb 25, 2025 11:32 AM | Delete | If I speak it is from experience.
my pov is the platform is specified designed to make some misunderstanding like as i describe. It is not reasonable that the position of the programmers defends a solution that generates problems as I have explained. The game dynamics include multiple encounters in which different approaches are proposed.
If you rule like a good judge, at best you will be 90% consistent and correct (and I am abundant) because you will never be able to have full awareness of what you have in front of you. if you are a mediocre judge even less, much less. So objectively if the platform itself is itself to generate problems of understanding among players, I consider the issue rather reprehensible. |
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Renji Asuka | #17 | Wed Feb 26, 2025 10:37 PM | Delete | [quote="M112x":14bllf1p]If I speak it is from experience.
my pov is the platform is specified designed to make some misunderstanding like as i describe. It is not reasonable that the position of the programmers defends a solution that generates problems as I have explained. The game dynamics include multiple encounters in which different approaches are proposed.
If you rule like a good judge, at best you will be 90% consistent and correct (and I am abundant) because you will never be able to have full awareness of what you have in front of you. if you are a mediocre judge even less, much less. So objectively if the platform itself is itself to generate problems of understanding among players, I consider the issue rather reprehensible.[/quote:14bllf1p] Which again, goes back to....just use the chat to communicate like a normal person.
If you don't want to do that, then go play on an automated simulator. |
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M112x | #18 | Fri Feb 28, 2025 12:37 AM | Delete | [quote="Renji Asuka":1n1gviqa] Which again, goes back to....just use the chat to communicate like a normal person.
If you don't want to do that, then go play on an automated simulator.[/quote:1n1gviqa]
dearest, you appear so superior to the problem that I would really like to play a couple of matches against you. Since your "great communication" is reduced to suggesting me to be a normal person, surely as a less normal person (so as to please you) as you think I would slam the truth in your face. Very bad. |
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Renji Asuka | #19 | Fri Feb 28, 2025 3:47 PM | Delete | [quote="M112x":bey4fim3][quote="Renji Asuka":bey4fim3] Which again, goes back to....just use the chat to communicate like a normal person.
If you don't want to do that, then go play on an automated simulator.[/quote:bey4fim3]
dearest, you appear so superior to the problem that I would really like to play a couple of matches against you. Since your "great communication" is reduced to suggesting me to be a normal person, surely as a less normal person (so as to please you) as you think I would slam the truth in your face. Very bad.[/quote:bey4fim3] I'm telling you what the solution is. If you're just relying on 1 button, that's your own fault.
Like if I was to play Blue-Eyes, I'd discard Maiden to place True Light, saying "Maiden's 1st effect. K?"
Then you can literally type "k" or 'Okay".
A thumbs up button, doesn't exactly work because it doesn't tell me anything. |
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M112x | #20 | Sat Mar 1, 2025 1:58 AM | Delete | you will therefore agree that it is there for no good. it is only there to be pushed to create uncertain situations. only shit
as i told: it's a trap! |
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