parhelia_0000 wrote:Christen57 wrote:Genexwrecker wrote:For the love of god please stop quoting the 10 page essay
What 10 page essay?
parhelia_0000 wrote:You know what, that's starting to look like not too bad an idea after all. Since people cannot be trusted to balance the cards themselves, and since the admins are unable to set up an automatic custom card review system, I don't feel that custom cards format should even exist anymore at this point.
Yes, there will still be toxic people on the game, but at the very least by getting rid of custom cards format as a whole, it'll be one less thing the community has to complain about.
I strongly disagree that the custom format should just be deleted outright just because you find yourself losing interest in it or getting frustrated in it. Lil Oldman pointed out earlier that customs "
allow for so much creativity and are such a powerful tool, both for casual/regular players looking for a fun time, aswell as for game card designers, this may be the first experience for lots of people in game design" and I agree with this.
Yes, there are people like the aforementioned CrystalMusic/Chaosprince who refuse any criticism and won't make any effort to make their cards more balanced or at least use problem-solving card text, but I still trust that you and many others like you will try balancing your customs, and people still trust that I'll continue to try balancing mine, so it isn't fair to group everyone as "
people who cannot be trusted to balance the cards," at least not just yet.
Getting rid of customs simply because of some mean user(s) will do more harm than good at this point, both for the duelingbook community and for duelingbook itself. For the duelingbook community because if you delete customs simply because of a few trolls or bad apples, those trolls will win and then feel emboldened to bring their toxicity over to other formats like advanced, goat, speed, rush, turbo, etc, to try getting some of those formats deleted as well. For duelingbook itself because duelingbook relies on ads to keep running, and less fun and attractive formats such as customs/tags means less users being attracted to the site, and less users being attracted to the site means less donations/ad revenue, and less donations/ad revenue means less money to keep the site running.
I mean, if it means FINALLY breaking the chain of CrystalMusic 2.0/3.0/4.0 etc. in the custom pool,
I would rather see these toxic users get slowly but surely frozen or removed from the platform one by one than for all fans of the custom format to be punished.
then it's better to deal with complaints about not having custom cards anymore rather than deal with constant reports of trolls in the format.
It's all about choosing the lesser of two evils at this point.
It's already against the rules to abuse the report feature, whether or not the issue in question is custom format related. Reports about what goes on in duels should be reserved for rated duels for the most part. It makes little sense to report people in unrated sections like the custom/tag sections as you can simply leave with no consequence if don't like what's going on, unless of course they're still breaking major duelingbook rules like severe harassment such as death threats.
You have to understand that it's not just PENMASTER or myself who feel that custom cards format should just be deleted. A lot of people on DuelingBook who talk on public chat and/or Main Menu statuses want custom cards gone because of how it attracts negativity in many angles.
Neither public chat nor main menu should be used for requesting the removal of any duelingbook feature to begin with. That's what the Suggestions section of this forum is for, and any requests of the sort that do get posted to the public chat or main menu, instead of Suggestions, should be ignored and not taken into account.
It's not about whether or not we can include diversity just to maintain the website for a long term anymore. It's about breaking the chain of toxicity with custom cards by deleting the format for good.
As stated earlier, any format will attract some negativity. This isn't exclusive to customs, but I think these formats, including customs, attract far more
positivity and
creativity, than negativity. We just don't see as many people talking about how positive they find the custom format to be because, well, they're just too busy enjoying the custom format to do that. Meanwhile, the much louder and more negative voices are the ones we might hear the most — talking about how negative they find the custom format — giving us the impression that these small groups of loud voices represent the will of the entire custom card community when they don't.
Extreme toxicity should be handled by punishing/freezing the toxic user(s) in question, not by removing an entire format that so many people including myself have grown to genuinely enjoy. Duelingnetwork was filled with just as much toxicity as duelingbook's customs, if not more, back when duelingnetwork was still around. Some people were leaving duelingbook to go join 4chan because duelingnetwork was getting so toxic that it was starting to make even 4chan look good, and that was all
without customs.
It's like that saying: "
The loudest are usually the haters"... or... was it "
the haters are usually the loudest"?
If the community cannot be promised a healthier custom card format where we don't have to worry about trolls anymore, then perhaps the community does not deserve to have the custom cards format in the first place.
Again, it's the individual toxic users, and users intentionally spreading said toxicity, who don't deserve the custom cards format, not the entire community. Punish those extremely toxic users if necessary, not the toxic users + the good ones.
Also, it's spelled Xteven, not XSteven.