SHIFTY786 wrote:Genexwrecker wrote:SHIFTY786 wrote:
Because waiting for a judge on a ruling question is stalling.
Lol the level of ignorance is unheard of.
Also why would I stall a game when theres a judge online literally makes 0 sense
I dont buy that you dont know how targeting works. that is one of the most fundamental aspects of the game which is required to know for normal play. you have also established that ur a very seasoned player. there is no way you did not know how mst worked there.
I never claimed I never knew about targeting.
You may not have "claimed" you never knew about targeting, but you did
show it.
[16:34] Activated "Mystical Space Typhoon" from hand (5/6) to S-3[16:35] Activated Set "Wall of Revealing Light" in S-4
[16:40] Set "Wall of Revealing Light" in S-4
[16:45] "are you in M1 or SP"[16:50] "sp"[16:54] "okay sure "
[16:56] "target"[17:09] Viewed Opponent's Graveyard
[17:11] Stopped viewing Opponent's Graveyard[17:14] Signaled OK[17:20] Viewed Opponent's Graveyard
[17:21] Stopped viewing Opponent's Graveyard[17:27] "whats your target?"
[17:50] "not showing on my end"
[17:58] "hello?"[18:17] Pointed at Set "Last Turn" in S-3[18:40] "are you trying to get me to commit to Last Turn in SP so you can summon your returned to hand serpent and attack over jowgen for game?"[18:50] "yes"
[18:52] Viewed GY[18:54] "yeah"[18:54] Stopped viewing GY[18:57] "not my first time"
[19:04] "i got this"
[19:07] Activated Set "Magic Jammer" in S-5
[19:09] Sent "Heavy Storm" from hand (3/3) to GY
[19:10] Sent "Magic Jammer" from S-5 to GY[19:11] Sent "Mystical Space Typhoon" from S-3 to GY[19:35] "anything else in SP?"[19:36] "you cant jammer"[19:43] "yes i can"[19:53] "as you asked for target"[20:05] "excuse me LOL"
[20:09] "i can jammer"[20:12] "yeah"[20:15] Called a judge for Ruling
[20:21] "unreal dude"[20:23] "needs to be done on activation"Here, it's clear that you thought that
Mystical Space Typhoon activates, then the opponent gets the chance to respond, and if they don't/can't respond, you then designate your target with said Mystical Space Typhoon. This is incorrect. The proper order is that you activate Mystical Space Typhoon, designate your target with said Mystical Space Typhoon, and then,
after both players understand what the target is,
that is when your opponent gets the chance to respond if they have an appropriate response.
However, if, for example, you were resolving the effect of
Destiny HERO - Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer to destroy 2 cards, then in that case, you wouldn't need to tell your opponent what you're choosing to destroy before they got the chance to respond, since Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer's effects don't target, but since you were activate something that
did target (Mystical Space Typhoon), your opponent must know what you're targeting before they decided if/how they wish to respond.
I was misinformed regarding negation. I was told that negation must be done before targeting.
You relied on your... mommy, to give you a ruling on how Mystical Space Typhoon works? A woman who has no understanding of how the game and problem-solving card text works or plays the game competitively herself? You relied on her, over a qualified judge who took the actual judge exam and proved to be worthy of judging and giving rulings, for a ruling issue? Why??
[23:16] "i can negate even if you target my card with your MST"[23:18] "i used mst"
[23:27] "no u cant"[23:32] "sure i can"
[23:38] "find a ruling that says i cant"
[23:46] "i think you dont want me to becasue that means you lose"[23:53] "after ive selected a target your negation window is missed"[23:55] "since you are losing you make up things to win "
[23:59] "wrong"[24:01] "i asked my mommy"[24:02] "and your not 13"[24:05] "sje confirmed"[24:07] "stop it"
[24:13] "we'll wait for a judge"[24:18] "k"This is not enough for a ban.
What
was enough though was the fact that that judge determined that you stalled since you were in a losing position, and that all the opponent had to do was play Last Turn, in combination with their Jowgen, to win, as the other judge in this thread explained.
Also judges cant patronise players or assume the player knows everything.
They
do assume that you know at least some things though, like how Mystical Space Typhoon's targeting works, especially since you stated on your profile that you placed well in multiple previous yugioh locals and regionals, which would indicate that you're already experience with the game and basic rulings.
https://imgur.com/cD1YzxWNo I had sangan which would search me a monster then I would over his monster lol.
At first I actually thought this would've work, but after looking at
Last Turn's ruling page, I'm afraid it wouldn't have. It specifically says, and I quote:
"Last Turn" is not a card that Special Summons a monster when it resolves. Therefore you can activate "Last Turn" even while "Jowgen the Spiritualist" is face-up on the field. If the player activating "Last Turn" controls "Jowgen the Spiritualist" and selects it as the monster to keep, the opponent cannot Special Summon for "Last Turn", and there will be no special Battle Phase. However the victory check is still applied in the End Phase.
The special Battle Phase for "Last Turn" happens right after the monster is Special Summoned. It is in addition to the normal Battle Phase and does not disrupt the normal order of the turn. For example, if "Last Turn" is activated during the Draw Phase, resolves the effect, Special Summon, initiate the special Battle Phase, then continue with the Draw Phase. The turn player can have a normal Battle Phase later in the turn.
The special Battle Phase is treated like a standard Battle Phase in every other way, with a Start Step, Battle Step, Damage Step, and End Step. Only the selected monster and the Special Summoned monster can battle.Look at that last part there. "Only the selected monster and the Special Summoned monster can battle".
This means that you
wouldn't be able to search a monster with Sangan's graveyard effect, normal summon that searched monster, then use that normal summoned monster to "over his monster". This means that if you don't special summon any monster with Last Turn's effect, you don't "over" anything, meaning Jowgen remains on the field during the end phase, meaning you would certainly lose.
The judge determined that since this would've clearly happened, and that since you were delaying the inevitable, you were maliciously stalling. Judges can determine that you're maliciously stalling when it's clear you're going to lose and you delay it for no good reason.
itsmetristan wrote:SHIFTY786 wrote:No I had sangan which would search me a monster then I would run over his monster lol.
Ah, I see. That detail was probably missed then. I didn't notice it either. Did you submit a report already?
No, itsmetristan. He would not have been able to search a monster with Sangan's effect, normal summon it, and use any normal summoned monster to beat over the Jowgen. The ruling page I linked explicitly stated that only the monster selected by Last Turn's effect and the monster special summoned by Last Turn's effect (if any is special summoned) can battle.