2 cards made to counter those who "Abuse" Dark Hole & Heavy Storm

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Re: 2 cards made to counter those who "Abuse" Dark Hole & Heavy Storm

Post #21 by Christen57 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:40 am

Why not just play dark bribe or solemn judgement where you can negate any Spell/Trap instead of just 2 — dark hole and heavy storm, one of which is banned anyway?

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Post #22 by Darkraiclone » Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:42 am

Christen57 wrote:Why not just play dark bribe or solemn judgement where you can negate any Spell/Trap instead of just 2 — dark hole and heavy storm, one of which is banned anyway?

Motions you closer so to whisper in your ear. He doesn't know that, neither does he know the use of counter traps.
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Post #23 by KTeknis » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:11 am

Darkraiclone wrote:Motions you closer so to whisper in your ear. He doesn't know that, neither does he know the use of counter traps.

Cursed Seal of The Forbidden Spell is a counter trap. It's also his second "Soul Card" probably.
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Post #24 by Darkraiclone » Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:01 am

KTeknis wrote:
Darkraiclone wrote:Motions you closer so to whisper in your ear. He doesn't know that, neither does he know the use of counter traps.

Cursed Seal of The Forbidden Spell is a counter trap. It's also his second "Soul Card" probably.

He's probably got millions of soul cards if you want to know the truth, and each one he probably has zero connection to in anyway shape or form unless he can make up a reason.
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Post #25 by CrawTheShrimp » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:42 am

These cards are totally balanced.
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Post #26 by Futuregamer » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:41 am

You know Heavy Storm is banned, right?

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Post #27 by Christen57 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:24 pm

Debt wrote:
CrystalMusic wrote:that no one plays??? who the heck are you dueling that no one runs dark hole of heavy storm?

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To be fair, ygoscope isn't 100% accurate. For example, I've seen plenty of people use Dark Bribe especially in Mysic Mine decks in rated, but ygoscope wouldn't show that either.

To get more accurate data on cards you have to go a url like this one, then replace the name of Dark Hole with the name of the card you want to see accurate data for: https://www.ygoscope.com/dataPage?name=Dark+Hole&dataType=C

https://www.ygoscope.com/dataPage?name=Dark+Bribe&dataType=C

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Post #28 by CrystalMusic » Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:34 am

greg503 wrote:https://www.duelingbook.com/card?id=1964684
This is a better "anti-board wipe" card.


more like broken
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Post #29 by KTeknis » Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:10 am

At the very least It's more usable, so It's technically better power wise.
Also we already have stuff like Evenly Matched who can also banish face down en-masse, and it's still unlimited.
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Post #30 by LightCaster » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:58 am

Or, y'know. You could deal with it? God forbid that there are cards out there that counter you. And as everyone else has demonstrated, you know nothing of which you speak.

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Post #31 by CrawTheShrimp » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:55 pm

CrystalMusic wrote:
greg503 wrote:https://www.duelingbook.com/card?id=1964684
This is a better "anti-board wipe" card.


more like broken

Ironic that this is coming from you.
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Post #32 by Christen57 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:00 pm

greg503 wrote:https://www.duelingbook.com/card?id=1964684
This is a better "anti-board wipe" card.


When your opponent activates a card or effect that does not target or designate cards on resolution, that would destroy all monsters you control and/or all Spells/Traps you control: Negate the activation and effect, and if you do, banish all cards your opponent controls face-down.


What is "designate" supposed to mean?

Also, there's so such thing as targeting "on resolution". Cards target before resolution, not on it.

Also, you don't negate the activation "and" the effect of something with a Counter Trap. You negate one or the other, but not both.

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Post #33 by greg503 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:18 pm

So, "designate" is meant for cards like Dragoon, with an effect that destroys but does not target. Someone might have thought that if they had 1 monster and it would be destroyed by non-targeting but single destruction that they could use this card. "target" is the first part and "designate cards on resolution" is the second part. I'm open to suggestions about how to better word it.
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