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Sound4 wrote:

greg503 wrote:

Sound4 wrote:That is not the opponents responsibility to "make them respond"

Correct, it is YOUR responsibility to make the opponent maintain the gamestate AS WELL through communication.

Taking longer than 15 seconds means you have no response and you may continue.
https://www.yugioh-card.com/ph/event/ru ... s/?lang=en
"Though an average of 3 minutes may be spent on each turn, excessive time should not be spent to allow the tournament to proceed properly. Any duelists caught taking too long (or intentionally stalling for time) may be penalized."
The gamestate is fine the fact that my opponent did not say anything is there fault not mine. It is not difficult to say something.

Let's break down the wording

"Though an average of 3 minutes may be spent on each turn"

Here we see "may" which can be more or less than 3 minutes.

"excessive time should not be spent to allow the tournament to proceed properly. "

Should not =/= cannot

"Any duelists caught taking too long (or intentionally stalling for time) may be penalized."

MAY be penalized, NOT WILL BE PENALIZED.

"The gamestate is fine the fact that my opponent did not say anything is there fault not mine."

If you're not communicating IT IS YOUR FAULT. You say "it is not difficult to say something" yet you refuse to ask if the resolution or the summon of a monster is okay.

Sorry it works both ways not the 1 sided way you want it to work.

Also that link means nothing to DB.

Renji Asuka wrote:

Sound4 wrote:

greg503 wrote:Correct, it is YOUR responsibility to make the opponent maintain the gamestate AS WELL through communication.

Taking longer than 15 seconds means you have no response and you may continue.
https://www.yugioh-card.com/ph/event/ru ... s/?lang=en
"Though an average of 3 minutes may be spent on each turn, excessive time should not be spent to allow the tournament to proceed properly. Any duelists caught taking too long (or intentionally stalling for time) may be penalized."
The gamestate is fine the fact that my opponent did not say anything is there fault not mine. It is not difficult to say something.

Let's break down the wording

"Though an average of 3 minutes may be spent on each turn"

Here we see "may" which can be more or less than 3 minutes.

"excessive time should not be spent to allow the tournament to proceed properly. "

Should not =/= cannot

"Any duelists caught taking too long (or intentionally stalling for time) may be penalized."

MAY be penalized, NOT WILL BE PENALIZED.

"The gamestate is fine the fact that my opponent did not say anything is there fault not mine."

If you're not communicating IT IS YOUR FAULT. You say "it is not difficult to say something" yet you refuse to ask if the resolution or the summon of a monster is okay.

Sorry it works both ways not the 1 sided way you want it to work.

Also that link means nothing to DB.

It says "may" it is implying that it should be less as it says an average.

It should not take excessive time to let the duel to proceed properly as it say "should not" as judges see no reason why it should a long time to let the duel proceed properly.

It says may be penalised as you may be doing it unintentionally so at most you will get a warning.

There is no reason my opponent should take thaylt long to respond. I am waiting for a response the opponent did not say anything.

DB tries to copy irl as much as possible so it is fine to use the link.

greg503 wrote:

Sound4 wrote:

greg503 wrote:Correct, it is YOUR responsibility to make the opponent maintain the gamestate AS WELL through communication.

Taking longer than 15 seconds means you have no response and you may continue.
https://www.yugioh-card.com/ph/event/ru ... s/?lang=en
"Though an average of 3 minutes may be spent on each turn, excessive time should not be spent to allow the tournament to proceed properly. Any duelists caught taking too long (or intentionally stalling for time) may be penalized."
The gamestate is fine the fact that my opponent did not say anything is there fault not mine. It is not difficult to say something.

You know that link isn't applicable to DB right?

DB tries to copy irl as much as possible.

Sound4 wrote:

greg503 wrote:

Sound4 wrote:Taking longer than 15 seconds means you have no response and you may continue.
https://www.yugioh-card.com/ph/event/ru ... s/?lang=en
"Though an average of 3 minutes may be spent on each turn, excessive time should not be spent to allow the tournament to proceed properly. Any duelists caught taking too long (or intentionally stalling for time) may be penalized."
The gamestate is fine the fact that my opponent did not say anything is there fault not mine. It is not difficult to say something.

You know that link isn't applicable to DB right?

DB tries to copy irl as much as possible.

While yes DB tries to simulate real play, the problem is unlike the REAL WORLD where YOU HAVE LIMITED TIME IN EVENTS. DB time is unlimited. Therefore, you don't have an argument.

Renji Asuka wrote:

Sound4 wrote:

greg503 wrote:You know that link isn't applicable to DB right?

DB tries to copy irl as much as possible.

While yes DB tries to simulate real play, the problem is unlike the REAL WORLD where YOU HAVE LIMITED TIME IN EVENTS. DB time is unlimited. Therefore, you don't have an argument.

Yeah, Rated is NOT A TOURNAMENT

greg503 wrote:

Renji Asuka wrote:

Sound4 wrote:DB tries to copy irl as much as possible.

While yes DB tries to simulate real play, the problem is unlike the REAL WORLD where YOU HAVE LIMITED TIME IN EVENTS. DB time is unlimited. Therefore, you don't have an argument.

Yeah, Rated is NOT A TOURNAMENT

Any behaviour during a duel that causes a delay will most likely be penalised like a tournament. Also the reason why judges take unreasonable behaviour serious is because other players don't want to lose rating that they quite a bit of time on.

Renji Asuka wrote:

Sound4 wrote:

greg503 wrote:You know that link isn't applicable to DB right?

DB tries to copy irl as much as possible.

While yes DB tries to simulate real play, the problem is unlike the REAL WORLD where YOU HAVE LIMITED TIME IN EVENTS. DB time is unlimited. Therefore, you don't have an argument.

It still applies as the rules even say that the duel should still proceeding at a reasonable pace.

Sound4 wrote:

greg503 wrote:

Renji Asuka wrote:While yes DB tries to simulate real play, the problem is unlike the REAL WORLD where YOU HAVE LIMITED TIME IN EVENTS. DB time is unlimited. Therefore, you don't have an argument.

Yeah, Rated is NOT A TOURNAMENT

Any behaviour during a duel that causes a delay will most likely be penalised like a tournament. Also the reason why judges take unreasonable behaviour serious is because other players don't want to lose rating that they quite a bit of time on.

Yes, which is why you should START THE CONVERSATION

greg503 wrote:

Sound4 wrote:

greg503 wrote:Yeah, Rated is NOT A TOURNAMENT

Any behaviour during a duel that causes a delay will most likely be penalised like a tournament. Also the reason why judges take unreasonable behaviour serious is because other players don't want to lose rating that they quite a bit of time on.

Yes, which is why you should START THE CONVERSATION

If the opponent is not saying anything that is the other players fault. There is no reason to start a conversation when the opponent has not said anything. You are already for a response when activating an effect. That is why you wait.

Sound4 wrote:

greg503 wrote:

Sound4 wrote:Any behaviour during a duel that causes a delay will most likely be penalised like a tournament. Also the reason why judges take unreasonable behaviour serious is because other players don't want to lose rating that they quite a bit of time on.

Yes, which is why you should START THE CONVERSATION

If the opponent is not saying anything that is the other players fault. There is no reason to start a conversation when the opponent has not said anything. You are already for a response when activating an effect. That is why you wait.

No, you're not already asking for a response when activating an effect. You HAVE to ask your opponent if it is okay to proceed. if they STILL WON'T COMMUNICATE call a judge and let them deal with it.

How hard is that for you to fucking understand? Or are you just stupid?

Renji Asuka wrote:

Sound4 wrote:

greg503 wrote:Yes, which is why you should START THE CONVERSATION

If the opponent is not saying anything that is the other players fault. There is no reason to start a conversation when the opponent has not said anything. You are already for a response when activating an effect. That is why you wait.

No, you're not already asking for a response when activating an effect. You HAVE to ask your opponent if it is okay to proceed. if they STILL WON'T COMMUNICATE call a judge and let them deal with it.

How hard is that for you to fucking understand? Or are you just stupid?

If your opponent is not saying you come to the logical conclusion that your opponent has no response. If they had a response why did they not say anything? You ce to the logical conclusion your opponent has no response.

Sound4 wrote:

Renji Asuka wrote:

Sound4 wrote:If the opponent is not saying anything that is the other players fault. There is no reason to start a conversation when the opponent has not said anything. You are already for a response when activating an effect. That is why you wait.

No, you're not already asking for a response when activating an effect. You HAVE to ask your opponent if it is okay to proceed. if they STILL WON'T COMMUNICATE call a judge and let them deal with it.

How hard is that for you to fucking understand? Or are you just stupid?

If your opponent is not saying you come to the logical conclusion that your opponent has no response. If they had a response why did they not say anything? You ce to the logical conclusion your opponent has no response.

That isn't how that works. First, you ask if they have a response, if they won't respond, call a judge let the judge handle it. Do not just continue as a judge can and probably will rule against you.

Renji Asuka wrote:

Sound4 wrote:

Renji Asuka wrote:No, you're not already asking for a response when activating an effect. You HAVE to ask your opponent if it is okay to proceed. if they STILL WON'T COMMUNICATE call a judge and let them deal with it.

How hard is that for you to fucking understand? Or are you just stupid?

If your opponent is not saying you come to the logical conclusion that your opponent has no response. If they had a response why did they not say anything? You ce to the logical conclusion your opponent has no response.

That isn't how that works. First, you ask if they have a response, if they won't respond, call a judge let the judge handle it. Do not just continue as a judge can and probably will rule against you.

You missed the point. I am saying that is your opponent isn't not saying that most players come to the logical conclusion they have no response. Think about it. If they a response why did not they say anything?

Sound4 wrote:

Renji Asuka wrote:

Sound4 wrote:If your opponent is not saying you come to the logical conclusion that your opponent has no response. If they had a response why did they not say anything? You ce to the logical conclusion your opponent has no response.

That isn't how that works. First, you ask if they have a response, if they won't respond, call a judge let the judge handle it. Do not just continue as a judge can and probably will rule against you.

You missed the point. I am saying that is your opponent isn't not saying that most players come to the logical conclusion they have no response. Think about it. If they a response why did not they say anything?

Because you didn't ask? lmao

Either communicate or do not play rated silence is not acceptable end of story. Good day!

greg503 pretty much covered it.

greg503 wrote:

Sound4 wrote:

Renji Asuka wrote:That isn't how that works. First, you ask if they have a response, if they won't respond, call a judge let the judge handle it. Do not just continue as a judge can and probably will rule against you.

You missed the point. I am saying that is your opponent isn't not saying that most players come to the logical conclusion they have no response. Think about it. If they a response why did not they say anything?

Because you didn't ask? lmao

What? If they had a response they would have clearly said something. Your comment makes absolutely no sense.

Sound4 wrote:

greg503 wrote:

Sound4 wrote:You missed the point. I am saying that is your opponent isn't not saying that most players come to the logical conclusion they have no response. Think about it. If they a response why did not they say anything?

Because you didn't ask? lmao

What? If they had a response they would have clearly said something. Your comment makes absolutely no sense.

Because by that logic, as soon as I play say Reinforcement of the Army, I go into my deck immediately ignoring the opponent's response window. That is what you're pushing for.

Renji Asuka wrote:

Sound4 wrote:

greg503 wrote:Because you didn't ask? lmao

What? If they had a response they would have clearly said something. Your comment makes absolutely no sense.

Because by that logic, as soon as I play say Reinforcement of the Army, I go into my deck immediately ignoring the opponent's response window. That is what you're pushing for.

What? I never said that. This proves you have not read.

Sound4 wrote:

Renji Asuka wrote:

Sound4 wrote:What? If they had a response they would have clearly said something. Your comment makes absolutely no sense.

Because by that logic, as soon as I play say Reinforcement of the Army, I go into my deck immediately ignoring the opponent's response window. That is what you're pushing for.

What? I never said that. This proves you have not read.

Yes that is what you're pushing for.

EVERYONE KEEPS TELLING YOU TO ASK IF THE OPPONENT IF ITS OKAY TO PROCEED.

YOU KEEP ARGUING AGAINST THAT SAYING YOU DON'T HAVE TO COMMUNICATE THAT IT'S SOLELY THE OPPONENT'S RESPONSIBILITY.

You're wrong on the subject then, and you are now.