Christen57 wrote:Sound4 wrote:Christen57 wrote:
Yeah. It's more like you didn't say enough. You didn't communicate when you were done thinking, you didn't communicate that you were taking extra time to read the other cards besides the Edge Imp Chain, and you wrongfully agreed to wait for a judge when you didn't yet know why the judge call was being made. That's what your freeze was for — improper communication on your part.
If you felt the call was unnecessary, you should've asked the opponent to cancel it and not agreed to wait for a judge.
Well, you were wrong to think that, because you thinking that is what led to your freeze, and you're still wrong to think that now. You should've asked instead of waiting on him to inform you.
In fact, I don't understand this double standard you created here. First you say it was your opponent's fault for not explicitly telling you they didn't understand why you were pointing at the Frightfur Cruel Whale, so because of this you thought they were completely okay with you just pointing at that card, which tells me you agree players should be proactive and ask about important things in duels they don't understand instead of waiting for that information to come to them automatically, but then, when I point out that you didn't ask that opponent why they were making that judge call, and also that you should've asked for that information before agreeing to wait, you're now saying it was entirely your opponent's fault, both for thinking you already knew why they were calling the judge, and for not giving you that information on their own — information as to why they were calling the judge to begin with — without waiting for you to ask for it.
In other words, this argument you made earlier:
"He didn't say his is issues to me about me pointing at whale until after the judge call was made. Since he wasn't saying anything then I thought he was ok with it."
and this argument you're making now about how it's "still his fault" for not immediately telling you why they called a judge, are 2 arguments you're making that contradict each other.
So which one was it? Was it you and your opponent's responsibility to be proactive and ask each other for necessary information when it's needed, or was it you and your opponent's responsibility to automatically give each other such necessary information without waiting for anyone to ask for it? If it was both players' responsibility to be proactive and ask, then you must agree that you should've been proactive and asked the opponent to clarify once more for you why they were calling the judge before you agreed to wait for said judge. If it was both players' responsibility to automatically give each other such information without waiting for anyone to ask for it, then you must agree that, instead of just pointing to the Frightfur Cruel Whale, you should've explicitly told the opponent that you were taking extra time to read that Frightfur Cruel Whale so they wouldn't continue thinking you were still reading just the Edge Imp Chain after 40 seconds.
He mentioned, at least twice, that the judge was being called for your slow playing since you weren't telling him you were done thinking and he was running out of patience. https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=815175-33324410
[19:54] "if you need more than 40 seconds"
[19:58] "to read and think"
[20:01] "about 1 effect in gy"
[20:03] "you are slowplaying"
[20:03] "And usually when his is not on no judges come obline"
[20:10] "now,just get ignored"
[20:14] "until another judge come in the room"
[20:20] "to do something about your slowplaying"
"Now just get ignored until another judge come in the room to do something about your slowplaying". That's what the call was for. It wasn't to do something about your "AFKing". No, they specifically said "about your slowplaying".
Did you just miss this detail or something? You keep acting like the opponent never gave any clue as to why they were calling the judge, even though "to do something about your slowplaying" was the clue.
The judge was concerned only with that duel in which you got that freeze, not any of your other duels prior to that.
For once I agree with you. This thread should've been locked by now as your freeze has expired and a new thinking button was added since, so nothing like this incident of yours should happen again.
It was only confirmed that itsmetristan himself couldn't move threads, not that threads couldn't be moved at all or that Genexwrecker specifically couldn't move them.
Do you kniw how to read? 19:54] "if you need more than 40 seconds"
[19:58] "to read and think"
[20:01] "about 1 effect in gy"
[20:03] "you are slowplaying"
[20:03] "And usually when his is not on no judges come obline"
The guy already knew I was reading and thinking he was simply thought I was reading and thinking for one card. Plus you need to read these logs carefully putting "you are Slowplaying" by itself he said that if you need 40 seconds to read and think one card I am slow playing keep that in mind. That wasn't a direct confirmation that that he is calling a judge for Slow playing. Plus I already showed the logs of him saying a lot of other things on why he called the judge like this.
33:45] "cause this guy is sharking"
Not very clear on what he is calling a judge for.
You know you can call a judge for more than one issue though, right? Maybe he was calling because he suspected you of both slowplaying and sharking.You still have to inform your opponent on what you are calling the judge for as if you don't it just seems like you are calling a judge for no reason. Yu still ignored that there was information needed that without that information the game couldn't continue. The guy should have said his issues with me pointing at whale informing a person on why you are calling a judge is something that you must do not optional an opponent isn't suppost to say "why are you calling a judge?". Me saying that he should have told his issues with me pointung aylt whale has nothing to do with informing that is a false comparison.
It's not a false comparison. You're saying it was the opponent's responsibility to give you necessary information needed for the game to continue, so by that logic, you should've given them necessary information (that you were now taking the extra time to read other cards besides Edge Imp Chain) so they would understand and let you finish reading everything, so the game could continue then as well, without a judge ever having to get involved.39:49] Ended turn
Me ending turn willing to continue but Maniez just didn't care. You can not say this is all my fault when the guy was set on getting a judge. I didn't think I was going to get frozen for "thinking for ten minutes".
I see. So it's after 20 minutes later from when you first said "think" at [17:11], and it's only after you agreed to wait for the judge, and after they arrived, were you finally ready to continue. Why didn't you just end your turn and be willing to continue before they arrived so the opponent could cancel the call so the judge would've never had to have gotten involved to begin with?Plus I never said threads could not be moved this is why I question if you can really read properly.
You really want to judge me and my "reading abilities" because I'm not "reading properly"? How about we judge you and your spelling and grammar abilities instead since you've made so many spelling and grammar mistakes throughout this conversation?greg503 wrote:Sound4 wrote:I thought this thread would have been over when I showed the confirmation.
That isn't how these work, the thread ended when your evidence was determined to be incorrect and misinterpreted. But you have refused to let that be the last word so now here we are. You're the reason this thread continues because of those who refuse to let you have the last word, because you are, in fact, wrong.
I still think Sound4 can request for the thread to be locked and then someone will lock it. Sound4 started this thread, meaning he has the power to delete it if he wishes, so I think he has some control over if it gets locked.
From thses replies it does not seem like you read properly. When did I ever say that threads could not be moved at all? This proves you don't read my replies properly. I said Genexwrecker could move threads as itsmetristan couldn't.
If he was calling a judge for slow playing and sharking then that helps my point. The game had to be stopped as sharking needs a judge to intervene.
Once you call a judge you need to inform your opponen what is so difficult about this? Since he didn't say anything I thought it is what is said "opponent called a judge for AFK". If he had such an issue with me pointing at whale then he could have simply said so.
17:42] Pointed at "Frightfur Cruel Whale" in M-1
[17:48] Viewed Opponent's Graveyard
A 6 second gap me waiting if he is confused. Since he didn't say anything I thought he was ok with it.
I showed me ending turn to show that I always wanted to continue. I mentioned this is in the post proving you have not read.
There was nothing to be misinterpreted by if I was misinterpreting then Madrest would have said in that judge call.