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Re: Silence is Consent in Yugioh Just had Confirmation

Post #561 by Sound4 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:19 pm

Christen57 wrote:
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Yeah. It's more like you didn't say enough. You didn't communicate when you were done thinking, you didn't communicate that you were taking extra time to read the other cards besides the Edge Imp Chain, and you wrongfully agreed to wait for a judge when you didn't yet know why the judge call was being made. That's what your freeze was for — improper communication on your part.



If you felt the call was unnecessary, you should've asked the opponent to cancel it and not agreed to wait for a judge.



Well, you were wrong to think that, because you thinking that is what led to your freeze, and you're still wrong to think that now. You should've asked instead of waiting on him to inform you.

In fact, I don't understand this double standard you created here. First you say it was your opponent's fault for not explicitly telling you they didn't understand why you were pointing at the Frightfur Cruel Whale, so because of this you thought they were completely okay with you just pointing at that card, which tells me you agree players should be proactive and ask about important things in duels they don't understand instead of waiting for that information to come to them automatically, but then, when I point out that you didn't ask that opponent why they were making that judge call, and also that you should've asked for that information before agreeing to wait, you're now saying it was entirely your opponent's fault, both for thinking you already knew why they were calling the judge, and for not giving you that information on their own — information as to why they were calling the judge to begin with — without waiting for you to ask for it.

In other words, this argument you made earlier:
"He didn't say his is issues to me about me pointing at whale until after the judge call was made. Since he wasn't saying anything then I thought he was ok with it."
and this argument you're making now about how it's "still his fault" for not immediately telling you why they called a judge, are 2 arguments you're making that contradict each other.

So which one was it? Was it you and your opponent's responsibility to be proactive and ask each other for necessary information when it's needed, or was it you and your opponent's responsibility to automatically give each other such necessary information without waiting for anyone to ask for it? If it was both players' responsibility to be proactive and ask, then you must agree that you should've been proactive and asked the opponent to clarify once more for you why they were calling the judge before you agreed to wait for said judge. If it was both players' responsibility to automatically give each other such information without waiting for anyone to ask for it, then you must agree that, instead of just pointing to the Frightfur Cruel Whale, you should've explicitly told the opponent that you were taking extra time to read that Frightfur Cruel Whale so they wouldn't continue thinking you were still reading just the Edge Imp Chain after 40 seconds.



He mentioned, at least twice, that the judge was being called for your slow playing since you weren't telling him you were done thinking and he was running out of patience. https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=815175-33324410

[19:54] "if you need more than 40 seconds"
[19:58] "to read and think"
[20:01] "about 1 effect in gy"
[20:03] "you are slowplaying"
[20:03] "And usually when his is not on no judges come obline"
[20:10] "now,just get ignored"
[20:14] "until another judge come in the room"
[20:20] "to do something about your slowplaying"

"Now just get ignored until another judge come in the room to do something about your slowplaying". That's what the call was for. It wasn't to do something about your "AFKing". No, they specifically said "about your slowplaying".

Did you just miss this detail or something? You keep acting like the opponent never gave any clue as to why they were calling the judge, even though "to do something about your slowplaying" was the clue.



The judge was concerned only with that duel in which you got that freeze, not any of your other duels prior to that.



For once I agree with you. This thread should've been locked by now as your freeze has expired and a new thinking button was added since, so nothing like this incident of yours should happen again.



It was only confirmed that itsmetristan himself couldn't move threads, not that threads couldn't be moved at all or that Genexwrecker specifically couldn't move them.

Do you kniw how to read? 19:54] "if you need more than 40 seconds"
[19:58] "to read and think"
[20:01] "about 1 effect in gy"
[20:03] "you are slowplaying"
[20:03] "And usually when his is not on no judges come obline"
The guy already knew I was reading and thinking he was simply thought I was reading and thinking for one card. Plus you need to read these logs carefully putting "you are Slowplaying" by itself he said that if you need 40 seconds to read and think one card I am slow playing keep that in mind. That wasn't a direct confirmation that that he is calling a judge for Slow playing. Plus I already showed the logs of him saying a lot of other things on why he called the judge like this.
33:45] "cause this guy is sharking"
Not very clear on what he is calling a judge for.


You know you can call a judge for more than one issue though, right? Maybe he was calling because he suspected you of both slowplaying and sharking.

You still have to inform your opponent on what you are calling the judge for as if you don't it just seems like you are calling a judge for no reason. Yu still ignored that there was information needed that without that information the game couldn't continue. The guy should have said his issues with me pointing at whale informing a person on why you are calling a judge is something that you must do not optional an opponent isn't suppost to say "why are you calling a judge?". Me saying that he should have told his issues with me pointung aylt whale has nothing to do with informing that is a false comparison.


It's not a false comparison. You're saying it was the opponent's responsibility to give you necessary information needed for the game to continue, so by that logic, you should've given them necessary information (that you were now taking the extra time to read other cards besides Edge Imp Chain) so they would understand and let you finish reading everything, so the game could continue then as well, without a judge ever having to get involved.

39:49] Ended turn
Me ending turn willing to continue but Maniez just didn't care. You can not say this is all my fault when the guy was set on getting a judge. I didn't think I was going to get frozen for "thinking for ten minutes".


I see. So it's after 20 minutes later from when you first said "think" at [17:11], and it's only after you agreed to wait for the judge, and after they arrived, were you finally ready to continue. Why didn't you just end your turn and be willing to continue before they arrived so the opponent could cancel the call so the judge would've never had to have gotten involved to begin with?

Plus I never said threads could not be moved this is why I question if you can really read properly.


You really want to judge me and my "reading abilities" because I'm not "reading properly"? How about we judge you and your spelling and grammar abilities instead since you've made so many spelling and grammar mistakes throughout this conversation?

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Sound4 wrote:I thought this thread would have been over when I showed the confirmation.

That isn't how these work, the thread ended when your evidence was determined to be incorrect and misinterpreted. But you have refused to let that be the last word so now here we are. You're the reason this thread continues because of those who refuse to let you have the last word, because you are, in fact, wrong.


I still think Sound4 can request for the thread to be locked and then someone will lock it. Sound4 started this thread, meaning he has the power to delete it if he wishes, so I think he has some control over if it gets locked.

From thses replies it does not seem like you read properly. When did I ever say that threads could not be moved at all? This proves you don't read my replies properly. I said Genexwrecker could move threads as itsmetristan couldn't.

If he was calling a judge for slow playing and sharking then that helps my point. The game had to be stopped as sharking needs a judge to intervene.

Once you call a judge you need to inform your opponen what is so difficult about this? Since he didn't say anything I thought it is what is said "opponent called a judge for AFK". If he had such an issue with me pointing at whale then he could have simply said so.
17:42] Pointed at "Frightfur Cruel Whale" in M-1
[17:48] Viewed Opponent's Graveyard
A 6 second gap me waiting if he is confused. Since he didn't say anything I thought he was ok with it.

I showed me ending turn to show that I always wanted to continue. I mentioned this is in the post proving you have not read.

There was nothing to be misinterpreted by if I was misinterpreting then Madrest would have said in that judge call.

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Post #562 by Sound4 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:24 pm

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The judge assumed youwere because you never communicated that you didn't. Again communication. You neverreplied. And it was very clear what he was saying. There was no option of anything else for the judge to assume, since you were supposed to keep playing. You never told your opponent to keep playing and you were done with what you were doing. You also waited, implying to the judge that you were stalling. Again communication. I know this isa different replay than silence is consent. But it links back to it. Silence caused you to get frozen. Silence caused misunderstanding. So this problem is solved case closed. Miscommunication and silence - bad. Communication and talking - good. It cant get simpler than that.

How is assuming I was thinking for ten minutes the only option? I know I am suppost to keep playing however I didn't know he was calling a judge for slowplay in the first place. There was information I needed and without that information it would have not been possible.


IT was because the judge thought you kept playing. (as you shouldv'e) He thought that you were stalling because you didn't start playing by saying I'm done resolve edge imp. You didnt asnwer that. You didnt ask what he meant by thinking for 10 minutes. You just stuck to redundat points such as now. You misscommunicated. Your opponent also misscommunicated, and I never said he didn't, you just want to ignore what I said. As for the pointing, in DB pointing means targeting/selecting for most people. You thought he got what you meant because he didnt communicate. He thought you were just pointing for no reason. He thought you were stalling and so did the judge. So please stop going around in circles. Here's an Idea. Read this thread from the start. Read EVERY reply. See what whe missed and what you missed, and then reply to this post.

I clearly wanted to continue but I didn't know what he was calling a judge for that was the issue. I thought it was for AFK but when the judge came in it seemed like it was for something else. Also I have been replying to everyone in this thread from the start so I have read all posts. I don't think you have read all posts from start to finish have you?

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Post #563 by Sound4 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:25 pm

Renji Asuka wrote:
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Renji Asuka wrote:I don't want to hear all your bullshit. Answer each question.

I just did. Me explaining for each one.

No you did not.

I literally answered each one which you asked for.

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Post #564 by Sound4 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:27 pm

greg503 wrote:
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greg503 wrote:THERE WAS INFORMATION THEY NEEDED AND WITHOUT THAT INFORMATION LOGIC DICTATES THAT YOU WERE THINKING FOR TEN MINUTES!

What are you talking about?

Literally answering the question you had that I quoted. I don't think you have the brain power for rated if this is how little you think before you type.

First who is "they"? Maniez I assume. It makes no sense why a person would take ten minutes to think.

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Post #565 by greg503 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:43 pm

Sound4 wrote:
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Sound4 wrote:What are you talking about?

Literally answering the question you had that I quoted. I don't think you have the brain power for rated if this is how little you think before you type.

First who is "they"? Maniez I assume. It makes no sense why a person would take ten minutes to think.

It makes no sense that you think sitting there, pretending to read your opponents cards for 10 minutes was a good idea, that would definitely not result in you being frozen for malicious stalling. "They" are both Maniez and the judge.
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Post #566 by itsmetristan » Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:14 pm

From thses replies it does not seem like you read properly. When did I ever say that threads could not be moved at all? This proves you don't read my replies properly. I said Genexwrecker could move threads as itsmetristan couldn't.

Neither of us can move threads here.
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Post #567 by Renji Asuka » Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:07 pm

Sound4 wrote:
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Sound4 wrote:I just did. Me explaining for each one.

No you did not.

I literally answered each one which you asked for.

No, you answered the first question then proceeded with excuses for the first question. You never answered the other 2.
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Post #568 by I Only Play Water Decks » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:54 am

Can someone give me a run through of this discussion , i'm not reading 29 pages of posts.

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Post #569 by greg503 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:41 am

I Only Play Water Decks wrote:Can someone give me a run through of this discussion , i'm not reading 29 pages of posts.

No need, you'll know everything you need to off of the first page
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Post #570 by I Only Play Water Decks » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:46 am

greg503 wrote:
I Only Play Water Decks wrote:Can someone give me a run through of this discussion , i'm not reading 29 pages of posts.

No need, you'll know everything you need to off of the first page


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Post #571 by Christen57 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 4:56 am

Sound4 wrote:
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Sound4 wrote:Do you kniw how to read? 19:54] "if you need more than 40 seconds"
[19:58] "to read and think"
[20:01] "about 1 effect in gy"
[20:03] "you are slowplaying"
[20:03] "And usually when his is not on no judges come obline"
The guy already knew I was reading and thinking he was simply thought I was reading and thinking for one card. Plus you need to read these logs carefully putting "you are Slowplaying" by itself he said that if you need 40 seconds to read and think one card I am slow playing keep that in mind. That wasn't a direct confirmation that that he is calling a judge for Slow playing. Plus I already showed the logs of him saying a lot of other things on why he called the judge like this.
33:45] "cause this guy is sharking"
Not very clear on what he is calling a judge for.


You know you can call a judge for more than one issue though, right? Maybe he was calling because he suspected you of both slowplaying and sharking.

You still have to inform your opponent on what you are calling the judge for as if you don't it just seems like you are calling a judge for no reason. Yu still ignored that there was information needed that without that information the game couldn't continue. The guy should have said his issues with me pointing at whale informing a person on why you are calling a judge is something that you must do not optional an opponent isn't suppost to say "why are you calling a judge?". Me saying that he should have told his issues with me pointung aylt whale has nothing to do with informing that is a false comparison.


It's not a false comparison. You're saying it was the opponent's responsibility to give you necessary information needed for the game to continue, so by that logic, you should've given them necessary information (that you were now taking the extra time to read other cards besides Edge Imp Chain) so they would understand and let you finish reading everything, so the game could continue then as well, without a judge ever having to get involved.

39:49] Ended turn
Me ending turn willing to continue but Maniez just didn't care. You can not say this is all my fault when the guy was set on getting a judge. I didn't think I was going to get frozen for "thinking for ten minutes".


I see. So it's after 20 minutes later from when you first said "think" at [17:11], and it's only after you agreed to wait for the judge, and after they arrived, were you finally ready to continue. Why didn't you just end your turn and be willing to continue before they arrived so the opponent could cancel the call so the judge would've never had to have gotten involved to begin with?

Plus I never said threads could not be moved this is why I question if you can really read properly.


You really want to judge me and my "reading abilities" because I'm not "reading properly"? How about we judge you and your spelling and grammar abilities instead since you've made so many spelling and grammar mistakes throughout this conversation?

greg503 wrote:That isn't how these work, the thread ended when your evidence was determined to be incorrect and misinterpreted. But you have refused to let that be the last word so now here we are. You're the reason this thread continues because of those who refuse to let you have the last word, because you are, in fact, wrong.


I still think Sound4 can request for the thread to be locked and then someone will lock it. Sound4 started this thread, meaning he has the power to delete it if he wishes, so I think he has some control over if it gets locked.

From thses replies it does not seem like you read properly. When did I ever say that threads could not be moved at all? This proves you don't read my replies properly. I said Genexwrecker could move threads as itsmetristan couldn't.


Well, as itsmetristan just confirmed, neither himself nor Genexwrecker can move threads, but I still think you can request for it to be locked.

If he was calling a judge for slow playing and sharking then that helps my point. The game had to be stopped as sharking needs a judge to intervene.


Okay, and did you include this important detail in your appeal when you were appealing this matter to Genexwrecker? Let's go back to when she shared her screenshot of her denying your appeal. https://forum.duelingbook.com/viewtopic.php?p=74493#p74493

Genexwrecker wrote:https://prnt.sc/2119btw maniez appeal message

https://prnt.sc/2119eh3 most recent one


You see, the reason I asked you, Sound4, if you included that important detail in the appeal is because Genexwrecker denied your appeal due to being under the impression that the sole issue was the slowplaying/AFK'ing and thus you should've tried to continue the duel to the best of your ability while waiting for the judge instead of simply doing nothing as you waited for said judge, but if Genexwrecker wasn't aware of this sharking part as well, she wouldn't have known that the game, in that case, "had to be stopped" since, as you said, sharking is something that would need a judge and isn't something you can simply keep continuing the game over until it's resolved like slowplaying and AFK'ing are.

Once you call a judge you need to inform your opponen what is so difficult about this?


If you knew you needed to be informed as to why your opponent was calling the judge, and your opponent wasn't informing you, you should've stepped up and told them to. What was so difficult about that? If people forget to tell you these kinds of important things, you need to remind them to, or else you risk being held responsible for failing to remind them.

Since he didn't say anything I thought it is what is said "opponent called a judge for AFK".


So once again, you've made 2 contradictory arguments. You say you couldn't figure out what the call could've been for, but at the same time, you say you did in fact figure out what the call must've been for — that it must've indeed been for AFK — so, which one was it? If you couldn't determine what the call was for, you should've asked, and if you did determine what the call was for — that it was "for AFK" — then you should've tried to continue the duel to the best of your ability while you waited for the judge, as "AFK" didn't relate to the immediate gamestate.

If he had such an issue with me pointing at whale then he could have simply said so.
17:42] Pointed at "Frightfur Cruel Whale" in M-1
[17:48] Viewed Opponent's Graveyard
A 6 second gap me waiting if he is confused. Since he didn't say anything I thought he was ok with it.


Your opponent didn't have an issue with you pointing at Frightfur Cruel Whale. Your opponent had an issue with you not communicating to him that you were no longer reading just the Edge Imp Chain.

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Post #572 by itsmetristan » Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:04 am

Well, as itsmetristan just confirmed, neither himself nor Genexwrecker can move threads, but I still think you can request for it to be locked.

I already checked. Spam Paradise threads won't be locked because... Well they're in Spam Paradise. Nothing said here is ever off topic.
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Post #573 by itsmetristan » Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:05 am

If you want the thread to end, I don't think I need to repeat what you need to do.
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Post #574 by Sound4 » Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:41 pm

Christen57 wrote:
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You know you can call a judge for more than one issue though, right? Maybe he was calling because he suspected you of both slowplaying and sharking.



It's not a false comparison. You're saying it was the opponent's responsibility to give you necessary information needed for the game to continue, so by that logic, you should've given them necessary information (that you were now taking the extra time to read other cards besides Edge Imp Chain) so they would understand and let you finish reading everything, so the game could continue then as well, without a judge ever having to get involved.



I see. So it's after 20 minutes later from when you first said "think" at [17:11], and it's only after you agreed to wait for the judge, and after they arrived, were you finally ready to continue. Why didn't you just end your turn and be willing to continue before they arrived so the opponent could cancel the call so the judge would've never had to have gotten involved to begin with?



You really want to judge me and my "reading abilities" because I'm not "reading properly"? How about we judge you and your spelling and grammar abilities instead since you've made so many spelling and grammar mistakes throughout this conversation?



I still think Sound4 can request for the thread to be locked and then someone will lock it. Sound4 started this thread, meaning he has the power to delete it if he wishes, so I think he has some control over if it gets locked.

From thses replies it does not seem like you read properly. When did I ever say that threads could not be moved at all? This proves you don't read my replies properly. I said Genexwrecker could move threads as itsmetristan couldn't.


Well, as itsmetristan just confirmed, neither himself nor Genexwrecker can move threads, but I still think you can request for it to be locked.

If he was calling a judge for slow playing and sharking then that helps my point. The game had to be stopped as sharking needs a judge to intervene.


Okay, and did you include this important detail in your appeal when you were appealing this matter to Genexwrecker? Let's go back to when she shared her screenshot of her denying your appeal. https://forum.duelingbook.com/viewtopic.php?p=74493#p74493

Genexwrecker wrote:https://prnt.sc/2119btw maniez appeal message

https://prnt.sc/2119eh3 most recent one


You see, the reason I asked you, Sound4, if you included that important detail in the appeal is because Genexwrecker denied your appeal due to being under the impression that the sole issue was the slowplaying/AFK'ing and thus you should've tried to continue the duel to the best of your ability while waiting for the judge instead of simply doing nothing as you waited for said judge, but if Genexwrecker wasn't aware of this sharking part as well, she wouldn't have known that the game, in that case, "had to be stopped" since, as you said, sharking is something that would need a judge and isn't something you can simply keep continuing the game over until it's resolved like slowplaying and AFK'ing are.

Once you call a judge you need to inform your opponen what is so difficult about this?


If you knew you needed to be informed as to why your opponent was calling the judge, and your opponent wasn't informing you, you should've stepped up and told them to. What was so difficult about that? If people forget to tell you these kinds of important things, you need to remind them to, or else you risk being held responsible for failing to remind them.

Since he didn't say anything I thought it is what is said "opponent called a judge for AFK".


So once again, you've made 2 contradictory arguments. You say you couldn't figure out what the call could've been for, but at the same time, you say you did in fact figure out what the call must've been for — that it must've indeed been for AFK — so, which one was it? If you couldn't determine what the call was for, you should've asked, and if you did determine what the call was for — that it was "for AFK" — then you should've tried to continue the duel to the best of your ability while you waited for the judge, as "AFK" didn't relate to the immediate gamestate.

If he had such an issue with me pointing at whale then he could have simply said so.
17:42] Pointed at "Frightfur Cruel Whale" in M-1
[17:48] Viewed Opponent's Graveyard
A 6 second gap me waiting if he is confused. Since he didn't say anything I thought he was ok with it.


Your opponent didn't have an issue with you pointing at Frightfur Cruel Whale. Your opponent had an issue with you not communicating to him that you were no longer reading just the Edge Imp Chain.

You do know that the appeal reply is separate from the first appeal itself? I literally made a very long appeal as after that duel I was a bit angry. I literally asked Genexwrecker to show the appeal I sent as I can't go back to it only Genexwrecker can but Genexwrecker obviously didn't show it all for no reason.

19:08] "You do know I am talking right?"
Once he called the judge for AFK I was trying to say things to prove that I am not AFK. You still ignored all the logs I showed. You are missing important details in my replies which is making your replies flawed and inaccurate.

I said I didn't what was really the point of this call at the time I thought it was for AFK at first but the guy was just so set on getting a judge in. I was already a bit annoyed at the time as I didn't even want ta judge to come in as I just wanted to continue.

You are lying now he has quite an issue with me pointing at whale.
32:03] "you payed attention"
[32:05] "how many time time"
[32:10] "he think until i call the judge?"
[32:15] "or you only read what you want?"
[32:33] "i declare edge imp in gy,and he start to point at whale"
Plus I was only thinking once it is not like I was thinking every ten seconds. You need to stop ignoring the logs I am showing as it supports what I am saying. I am making full replies to flawed and inaccurate replies but I am at least not ignoring your points.

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Post #575 by Sound4 » Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:45 pm

Renji Asuka wrote:
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Renji Asuka wrote:No you did not.

I literally answered each one which you asked for.

No, you answered the first question then proceeded with excuses for the first question. You never answered the other 2.

I literally answered the other two as well. Explain how I did not answer the other two.

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Post #576 by Renji Asuka » Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:38 pm

Sound4 wrote:
Renji Asuka wrote:
Sound4 wrote:I literally answered each one which you asked for.

No, you answered the first question then proceeded with excuses for the first question. You never answered the other 2.

I literally answered the other two as well. Explain how I did not answer the other two.

No, you did not. You only answered the first question and made excuses for it.
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Post #577 by Christen57 » Mon Jan 17, 2022 11:30 pm

Genexwrecker wrote:
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itsmetristan wrote:This thread is in spam paradise. There's no reason for it to be locked.


Any way you could move the thread to serious discussion? I know it was possible to move threads around back on dueling network's forum. This clearly doesn't belong in spam paradise.

It was originally posted in serious discussions. We moved it to spam paradise since it was just a troll trolling and not an actual serious logical debate


Genexwrecker and itsmetristan, could either of you check Sound4's appeal regarding this freeze to see if Sound4 mentioned anything about the duel having to be stopped due to this sharking issue that was brought up, and show us what Sound4 said in the appeal this time instead of just what Genexwrecker's response was?

Sound4 wrote:
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Sound4 wrote:From thses replies it does not seem like you read properly. When did I ever say that threads could not be moved at all? This proves you don't read my replies properly. I said Genexwrecker could move threads as itsmetristan couldn't.


Well, as itsmetristan just confirmed, neither himself nor Genexwrecker can move threads, but I still think you can request for it to be locked.

If he was calling a judge for slow playing and sharking then that helps my point. The game had to be stopped as sharking needs a judge to intervene.


Okay, and did you include this important detail in your appeal when you were appealing this matter to Genexwrecker? Let's go back to when she shared her screenshot of her denying your appeal. https://forum.duelingbook.com/viewtopic.php?p=74493#p74493

Genexwrecker wrote:https://prnt.sc/2119btw maniez appeal message

https://prnt.sc/2119eh3 most recent one


You see, the reason I asked you, Sound4, if you included that important detail in the appeal is because Genexwrecker denied your appeal due to being under the impression that the sole issue was the slowplaying/AFK'ing and thus you should've tried to continue the duel to the best of your ability while waiting for the judge instead of simply doing nothing as you waited for said judge, but if Genexwrecker wasn't aware of this sharking part as well, she wouldn't have known that the game, in that case, "had to be stopped" since, as you said, sharking is something that would need a judge and isn't something you can simply keep continuing the game over until it's resolved like slowplaying and AFK'ing are.

Once you call a judge you need to inform your opponen what is so difficult about this?


If you knew you needed to be informed as to why your opponent was calling the judge, and your opponent wasn't informing you, you should've stepped up and told them to. What was so difficult about that? If people forget to tell you these kinds of important things, you need to remind them to, or else you risk being held responsible for failing to remind them.

Since he didn't say anything I thought it is what is said "opponent called a judge for AFK".


So once again, you've made 2 contradictory arguments. You say you couldn't figure out what the call could've been for, but at the same time, you say you did in fact figure out what the call must've been for — that it must've indeed been for AFK — so, which one was it? If you couldn't determine what the call was for, you should've asked, and if you did determine what the call was for — that it was "for AFK" — then you should've tried to continue the duel to the best of your ability while you waited for the judge, as "AFK" didn't relate to the immediate gamestate.

If he had such an issue with me pointing at whale then he could have simply said so.
17:42] Pointed at "Frightfur Cruel Whale" in M-1
[17:48] Viewed Opponent's Graveyard
A 6 second gap me waiting if he is confused. Since he didn't say anything I thought he was ok with it.


Your opponent didn't have an issue with you pointing at Frightfur Cruel Whale. Your opponent had an issue with you not communicating to him that you were no longer reading just the Edge Imp Chain.

You do know that the appeal reply is separate from the first appeal itself? I literally made a very long appeal as after that duel I was a bit angry. I literally asked Genexwrecker to show the appeal I sent as I can't go back to it only Genexwrecker can but Genexwrecker obviously didn't show it all for no reason.

19:08] "You do know I am talking right?"
Once he called the judge for AFK I was trying to say things to prove that I am not AFK. You still ignored all the logs I showed. You are missing important details in my replies which is making your replies flawed and inaccurate.

I said I didn't what was really the point of this call at the time I thought it was for AFK at first but the guy was just so set on getting a judge in. I was already a bit annoyed at the time as I didn't even want ta judge to come in as I just wanted to continue.


You should've continued trying to get the opponent to cancel the call and continued trying to resolve the issue before the judge arrived. "AFK" didn't relate to the immediate gamestate, so you still should've never just agreed to wait for the judge. If you just wanted to continue during the entire time, you should've told the opponent that, and told them you were done thinking and that they could continue, instead of agreeing to wait for the judge.

You are lying now he has quite an issue with me pointing at whale.
32:03] "you payed attention"
[32:05] "how many time time"
[32:10] "he think until i call the judge?"
[32:15] "or you only read what you want?"
[32:33] "i declare edge imp in gy,and he start to point at whale"


He didn't have an issue with you pointing at Frightfur Cruel Whale. The issue he had with you was you not communicating to him that you were taking extra time to read the other cards aside from the Edge Imp Chain. https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=815175-33324410

[18:40] Called a judge for AFK
[18:45] Pointed at "Frightfur Cruel Whale" in M-1
[19:08] "You do know I am talking right?"
[19:18] "I said think"
[19:39] "Also Maniez went offline"
[19:48] "im asking 1 card"
[19:48] "in gy"
[19:51] "for more than 40 seconds"
[19:54] "if you need more than 40 seconds"
[19:58] "to read and think"
[20:01] "about 1 effect in gy"
[20:03] "you are slowplaying"
[20:03] "And usually when his is not on no judges come obline"
[20:10] "now,just get ignored"
[20:14] "until another judge come in the room"
[20:20] "to do something about your slowplaying"
[20:48] "So I'm not allowed to think? Is this a joke"
[21:26] "Well let's wait for 40 minutes"

He accused you of specifically taking "more than 40 seconds to read and think about 1 effect in gy". He mentioned nothing about the pointing-at-whale stuff until after the judge asked him why he began resolving Edge Imp Chain's effect. When the judge arrived, he said "sound4 refusing to play" because that's what his issue was — that he believed you were refusing to play — not that you were pointing at the Frightfur Cruel Whale. He said "and he start to point at whale" not because that's what his issue was, but because he was simply trying to give the judge a brief summary of what happened. The judge asked "Hello, what is the issue," so your opponent provided a brief explanation of what was going on so the judge wouldn't be left completely confused.

In other words, "and he start to point at whale" was just part of your opponent's brief summary as to what had happened. Nothing more. With that brief summary, the judge could quickly understand and address whatever the actual issue was without having to read through the entire log for themselves. The real issue was you "refusing to play" according to the opponent, as that was the first thing the opponent said to the judge when the judge arrived asking what the issue was.

So no, I didn't lie here.

Plus I was only thinking once it is not like I was thinking every ten seconds.


There's no such thing as thinking a certain number of times. We don't do that. We think for certain amounts of time. The judge wanted to know how long you were thinking, not how many times you were thinking. You thinking only "once" says nothing about how long you were thinking, as you could've been thinking once for 40 seconds, or once for an even longer amount of time than that, like 10 minutes.

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Post #578 by Genexwrecker » Mon Jan 17, 2022 11:56 pm

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Post #579 by Christen57 » Tue Jan 18, 2022 12:32 am

Genexwrecker wrote:I will not discuss the details of the report. Just know everything and possible scenarios are taken into account when reviewing.


So you did take into account this potential sharking issue Sound4 brought up after all...

Thanks. That's all I wanted to know anyway, not necessarily any of the remaining details of the report.

Another question I have though is: Can Sound4 check the details of his appeals himself that are responded to and see what exactly he wrote in those appeals? He should be able to after all since they're his appeals, but I've never filed an appeal for anything on this platform myself, only reports against various rule-breaking users, so I can't tell, but what I do know is that when those reports of mine are answered, I'm able to see specifically what I wrote in the report itself, not just the admin's response, but I don't know yet if the same holds true for appeals.
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