Sound4 wrote:Christen57 wrote:Sound4 wrote:OK but Maniez said that I wasn't communicating at all.
The judge said you weren't communicating
properly, not that you weren't communicating
at all.
When I showed the logs being confused on why he called the judge especially for AFK. Maniez never once mentioned anything o what happened prior to the judge call. He specifically asked why I was thinking for ten minutes. You were the one who was bringing up this thinking for ten minutes the most.
If you were thinking for 10 minutes, you should've explained to the judge why. If you weren't thinking for 10 minutes, you should've explained to the judge what you
were doing instead. You explained neither. That's one of the issues here, in addition to you not communicating properly prior to the judge's arrival. The judge didn't need to tell you what they "meant" by you thinking for 10 minutes. It wasn't code for anything else. Judges don't speak in code. They said what they meant and meant what they said. You should never assume under any circumstances that judges speak in code in your duels.
I didn't agree instantly I was saying the current situation when he called the judge and that we would basically be wasting both of our time.
You shouldn't have agreed
at all, as you didn't yet know for certain why the call was being made.
You can't blame me if wants to ignore me.
As itsmetristan pointed out earlier, you should focus on what
you could've done better, not what your opponent and the judge could've done better. Maybe it was wrong for your opponent to say "get ignored" and maybe the judge wasn't right to assume you were thinking for 10 minutes just because you could've been, but what you could've controlled was your actions and how you communicated. You didn't communicate that you were done thinking and you didn't bother to ask why exactly the call was made if you knew you weren't AFK.
If Maniez assumed all these things then why didn't he say all these thing ls in the judge call? He oly thing he said was thinking for ten minutes.
The judge assumed you knew this because it's listed in
the rules:
Discontinuing play while waiting for a judge to resolve an issue not related to the immediate gamestate:
- Calling a judge because of harassment, and discontinuing gameplay in the meantime
- Calling a judge because of slow play, and refusing to continue gameplay until the judge arrives.Whether the call was really for AFK or for slow play doesn't matter. The point is if the call was for either of these things, you must attempt to continue the duel to the best of your ability while you wait for the judge, as neither AFK nor slow play relate to the immediate gamestate. Judges assume you read the rules every time you go into rated, because, well, that's what you're supposed to do before going into rated — know the rules.
You should've never agreed to wait for the judge. Period. I don't care if you didn't agree "instantly" or not, nor does it matter if the opponent said "get ignored" or not. You shouldn't have agreed to it at all because the issue wasn't related to the immediate gamestate. You should've attempted to finish your thinking and try to get the duel to continue no matter what your opponent was saying and no matter if the agreement was "instant" or not.
Here, another user makes the same mistake as you and also ends up with a freeze:
https://www.duelingbook.com/replay?id=35522857He called a judge and forced both himself and his opponent to wait 20 minutes over something that they could've very easily resolved without getting any judge involved.
greg503 wrote:IDK but I trust the person with access to the history of the thread more than you
If it was originally in Serious Discussion but later moved to Spam Paradise then it must've been moved very early on when this thread was started (like within the first 2 and a half hours after it was created) as I have archived this thread when I first saw it and saw it was in Spam Paradise there.
https://archive.ph/5t8iD
39:44] Maniez: "The judge was called because you refused to play at all, and didn't communicate at all"
Saying I didn't communicate at all even though I said this:17:11] "Think"
It is not like I said nothing.
Yeah. It's more like you didn't say
enough. You didn't communicate when you were done thinking, you didn't communicate that you were taking extra time to read the other cards besides the Edge Imp Chain, and you wrongfully agreed to wait for a judge when you didn't yet know why the judge call was being made. That's what your freeze was for — improper communication on your part.
20:48] "So I'm not allowed to think? Is this a joke"
[21:26] "Well let's wait for 40 minutes"
A 38 second gap between the two especially when I was bit annoyed by this I didn't see any reason by thus judge call. 20:48] "So I'm not allowed to think? Is this a joke"
If you felt the call was unnecessary, you should've asked the opponent to cancel it and not agreed to wait for a judge.
It is still his fault for not informing me on what the judge call was made for.
Well, you were wrong to think that, because you thinking that is what led to your freeze, and you're still wrong to think that now. You should've asked instead of waiting on him to inform you.
In fact, I don't understand this double standard you created here. First you
say it was your opponent's fault for not explicitly telling you they didn't understand why you were pointing at the Frightfur Cruel Whale, so because of this you thought they were completely okay with you just pointing at that card, which tells me you agree players should be proactive and ask about important things in duels they don't understand instead of waiting for that information to come to them automatically, but then, when I point out that you didn't ask that opponent why they were making that judge call, and also that you should've asked for that information before agreeing to wait, you're now saying it was entirely your opponent's fault, both for thinking you already knew why they were calling the judge, and for not giving you that information on their own — information as to why they were calling the judge to begin with — without waiting for you to ask for it.
In other words, this argument you made earlier:
"
He didn't say his is issues to me about me pointing at whale until after the judge call was made. Since he wasn't saying anything then I thought he was ok with it."
and this argument you're making now about how it's "
still his fault" for not immediately telling you why they called a judge, are 2 arguments you're making that contradict each other.
So which one was it? Was it you and your opponent's responsibility to be proactive and ask each other for necessary information when it's needed, or was it you and your opponent's responsibility to automatically give each other such necessary information without waiting for anyone to ask for it? If it was both players' responsibility to be proactive and ask, then you must agree that you should've been proactive and asked the opponent to clarify once more for you why they were calling the judge before you agreed to wait for said judge. If it was both players' responsibility to automatically give each other such information without waiting for anyone to ask for it, then you must agree that, instead of just pointing to the Frightfur Cruel Whale, you should've explicitly told the opponent that you were taking extra time to read that Frightfur Cruel Whale so they wouldn't continue thinking you were still reading just the Edge Imp Chain after 40 seconds.
He just left me in the dark me trying to go off him calling a judge for AFK. I already know you are suppost to continue if a player is calling a judge for slow play but you are missing the point that I didn't know.
He mentioned, at least twice, that the judge was being called for your slow playing since you weren't telling him you were done thinking and he was running out of patience.
https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=815175-33324410[19:54] "if you need more than 40 seconds"[19:58] "to read and think"[20:01] "about 1 effect in gy"[20:03] "you are slowplaying"[20:03] "And usually when his is not on no judges come obline"[20:10] "now,just get ignored"[20:14] "until another judge come in the room"[20:20] "to do something about your slowplaying""
Now just get ignored until another judge come in the room to do something about your slowplaying". That's what the call was for. It wasn't to do something about your "
AFKing". No, they specifically said "
about your slowplaying".
Did you just miss this detail or something? You keep acting like the opponent
never gave any clue as to why they were calling the judge, even though "
to do something about your slowplaying"
was the clue.
An admin can confirm that before this duel I have continued games if they are calling a judge for slow play.
The judge was concerned only with that duel in which you got that freeze, not any of your other duels prior to that.
Why would someone move this thread to spam if an admin can just lock it?
For once I agree with you. This thread should've been locked by now as your freeze has expired and a new thinking button was added since, so nothing like this incident of yours should happen again.
And it has already been confirmed that Genexwrecker can't move a thread.
It was only confirmed that itsmetristan himself couldn't move threads, not that threads couldn't be moved
at all or that Genexwrecker specifically couldn't move them.