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After some misscommunications in game, opponent called judge because I viewed my deck to check ratios. After judge by name "superamaro"entered the game, he said 'im not able to do that', i nicely asked if he/she can send me where is that said, provided or anything similiar in official rulings, or db rulings, anything that is written and said like that. He furiously ignored it and because he is a "JUDGE", he made an AUTHORITY because of his rights as JUDGE and not acting fairly to both players, as one wanted some answers he get it, but when i wanted my answers on my questions I didnt get them. Only "YOU CANT". Thats not acting as a proper and fair judge, only an arrogant person which did not see both sides only one. Also im disabled for 2 days to play rated matches, and I think i didnt deserve it. Because i asked for answers and wanted to get know them for future mathes, i didnt get them, instead i got disabled from rated matches. I would ask that this judge be punished for not working their job properly

Replay?

You're not allowed to look through your deck without a card allowing you to.

Otherwise it is cheating.

rotfl

is this a clickbait?

What you did falls under cheating and is one of the most basic fundamentals of all card games. The mass awareness of knowing not to do this and common sense is why you were removed from ranked.

Yes, I understand all, i dont need any more people to warn me that. Everyone says even judge that is called "cheating", no i dont see it that way as deck is shuffled. Cards cannot be put in any order i want. So it remains shuffled. NO that is not the point of this topic. As i understand that, i just asked a guide/ruling/link/anything that points and provides reasonable explanation of that. I asked judge nicely, no judge refused to send me anything. If he did that, i would say thank you and im sorry. Its more important that he/she acted arrogant and rude to me. He/she wasnt 100% fair to both sides, and not even considered taking in opinion my questions. It would be the same when i say: "hey, this judge is bad, hey this judge is good", why is he/she good?, why is he/she bad? I need to explain things why i have that opinion or complaint. This was what i wanted. I just wanted from judge to explain me in anyway why is that called "cheating" tho i dont see it as cheating but if it is said like than it is, and to give me link to official rule

[quote="Renji Asuka":3artwynv]You're not allowed to look through your deck without a card allowing you to.

Otherwise it is cheating.[/quote:3artwynv]
Literally you just copied judge words. Same question to you im asking, as i asked judge. Just need link/resource/anything that points to official rulings, and i will say "Thank you, i was wrong for doing that and im sorry. Will never happen again"

We have 0 obligations to link you to x thing. You the player are not doing your job nor applying common sense.

[quote="Psily":8bg83n9u][quote="Renji Asuka":8bg83n9u]You're not allowed to look through your deck without a card allowing you to.

Otherwise it is cheating.[/quote:8bg83n9u]
Literally you just copied judge words. Same question to you im asking, as i asked judge. Just need link/resource/anything that points to official rulings, and i will say "Thank you, i was wrong for doing that and im sorry. Will never happen again"[/quote:8bg83n9u]
This is how all trading card games work.

Hell even Yugioh Master Duel won't allow you to look through your deck without a card stating so.

You're wrong on this subject, simple as that.

Yes, you say you have 0 obligations, but when it comes to card rulings and such a things, of course that everyone points to those rules. Same thing, but one is done correctly, the other one not. Really dissappointing...

[quote="Psily":tz8gyfwv]Yes, you say you have 0 obligations, but when it comes to card rulings and such a things, of course that everyone points to those rules. Same thing, but one is done correctly, the other one not. Really dissappointing...[/quote:tz8gyfwv]
What is disappointing is thinking that it is okay to look through your deck any time you want and thinking that is okay.

I never stated that is good to view your deck, i stated that no one (judges) points to official ruling about this thing. I agreed that is wrong and it shouldnt be done, i just want points to official ruling. its about principles not ruling in the game

[quote="Psily":27wqi9h3]I never stated that is good to view your deck, i stated that no one (judges) points to official ruling about this thing. I agreed that is wrong and it shouldnt be done, i just want points to official ruling. its about principles not ruling in the game[/quote:27wqi9h3]
Literally, nearly every single yugioh video game does not let you look through your deck in the middle of a duel unless a card allows it.

That is reference enough, stop trying to cheat.

[quote="Renji Asuka":1evc0jbl][quote="Psily":1evc0jbl]I never stated that is good to view your deck, i stated that no one (judges) points to official ruling about this thing. I agreed that is wrong and it shouldnt be done, i just want points to official ruling. its about principles not ruling in the game[/quote:1evc0jbl]
Literally, nearly every single yugioh video game does not let you look through your deck in the middle of a duel unless a card allows it.

That is reference enough, stop trying to cheat.[/quote:1evc0jbl]
And I want that reference about the thing you just said. And that will end this conversation. That was what i wanted from judge

[quote="Psily":l5zj69rj][quote="Renji Asuka":l5zj69rj][quote="Psily":l5zj69rj]I never stated that is good to view your deck, i stated that no one (judges) points to official ruling about this thing. I agreed that is wrong and it shouldnt be done, i just want points to official ruling. its about principles not ruling in the game[/quote:l5zj69rj]
Literally, nearly every single yugioh video game does not let you look through your deck in the middle of a duel unless a card allows it.

That is reference enough, stop trying to cheat.[/quote:l5zj69rj]
And I want that reference about the thing you just said. And that will end this conversation. That was what i wanted from judge[/quote:l5zj69rj]
Literally go to steam, download master duel and see for yourself. It isn't hard.

[quote="Renji Asuka":2sjp03ck][quote="Psily":2sjp03ck][quote="Renji Asuka":2sjp03ck]
Literally, nearly every single yugioh video game does not let you look through your deck in the middle of a duel unless a card allows it.

That is reference enough, stop trying to cheat.[/quote:2sjp03ck]
And I want that reference about the thing you just said. And that will end this conversation. That was what i wanted from judge[/quote:2sjp03ck]
Literally go to steam, download master duel and see for yourself. It isn't hard.[/quote:2sjp03ck]
I have bad laptop. Master duel doesnt work. Its not about the game if allows or not. I just want reference to offical rule

[quote="Psily":p1u01fmm][quote="Renji Asuka":p1u01fmm][quote="Psily":p1u01fmm]
And I want that reference about the thing you just said. And that will end this conversation. That was what i wanted from judge[/quote:p1u01fmm]
Literally go to steam, download master duel and see for yourself. It isn't hard.[/quote:p1u01fmm]
I have bad laptop. Master duel doesnt work. Its not about the game if allows or not. I just want reference to offical rule[/quote:p1u01fmm]
Everyone telling you that you can't do something is the reference. Otherwise google it yourself.

[quote="Renji Asuka":3j86b9x4][quote="Psily":3j86b9x4][quote="Renji Asuka":3j86b9x4]
Literally go to steam, download master duel and see for yourself. It isn't hard.[/quote:3j86b9x4]
I have bad laptop. Master duel doesnt work. Its not about the game if allows or not. I just want reference to offical rule[/quote:3j86b9x4]
Everyone telling you that you can't do something is the reference. Otherwise google it yourself.[/quote:3j86b9x4]
I dont trust anyone that tells me something. You can tell me that sky is red but is blue. I want offical ruling from KONAMI. only than the reference is 100% true. I belive you and judges and everyone that is not allowed and i accepted it. Only VALID reference from anywhere that is confirmed

[quote="Psily":9soy6hi2][quote="Renji Asuka":9soy6hi2][quote="Psily":9soy6hi2]
I have bad laptop. Master duel doesnt work. Its not about the game if allows or not. I just want reference to offical rule[/quote:9soy6hi2]
Everyone telling you that you can't do something is the reference. Otherwise google it yourself.[/quote:9soy6hi2]
I dont trust anyone that tells me something. You can tell me that sky is red but is blue. I want offical ruling from KONAMI. only than the reference is 100% true. I belive you and judges and everyone that is not allowed and i accepted it. Only VALID reference from anywhere that is confirmed[/quote:9soy6hi2]
Then go email them, oh wait, they'll tell you the same thing you been told already.

But considering you said you don't trust anyone that tells you something, something tells me you won't believe them.

From the tournament penalty documents: "Cheating includes, but is not limited to, intentionally misrepresenting the Game State, or intentionally violating rulings or tournament polices." and also "The Head Judge of the tournament has final say on all ruling and policy decisions." And we have some DB judges here who would fill the role of Head Judge, who are likely to agree with the rest of us that intentionally looking at the contents of your deck unprompted is cheating, that's Private Information.

You'd probably really struggle trying to find an official Konami source that explicitly says you cannot view your Main Deck for no reason. You can probably refer to page 55 of the Official Rulebook (v10) which tells you that you can pick up your Deck and search through it "whenever an effect instructs you" to do so. You can probably refer to page 5 of the same document where it mentions you can "look at the cards in your Extra Deck during the game" but makes no mention of that with respect to the Main Deck. Based on those 2 rulings, you might infer that you can't just look at your Main Deck without a reason, but you're not going to find anything explicit very easily.

Even if an official source does exist with respect to this ruling, you can't expect my judges to have these sources readily available at all times. This is such a fundamental ruling to the game, that we genuinely aren't prepared to provide this ruling at a moment's notice, and it would likely take more time to look for such an official ruling than it's worth. It would be like asking us to provide a ruling that says you can't randomly send cards to the Graveyard, or asking us to provide a ruling that says you can't randomly decide to increase your Life Points. We sort of expect that, if you've been playing this game for longer than 20 minutes, you probably should know these things.

Also, I'd get out of the headspace that Konami is the only source that provides us with the tools on how to play their game. As much as I hate to say it, there are very few official sources out there relatively. It took 18 months just for Konami to officially tell us we were following the April 2020 revisions in the TCG, despite sanctioned events following those rulings since April 2020.

With all the respect to the rules, but what's wrong with looking at your deck, provided that it is shuffled afterwards?

[quote="Goatobed":1ue0c5wa]With all the respect to the rules, but what's wrong with looking at your deck, provided that it is shuffled afterwards?[/quote:1ue0c5wa]

Just ain't allowed to do it. Nothing more can really be said.

I imagine the argument is that we want to avoid changing the gamestate as much as possible if we can. Accidentally messing with the deck when the deck shouldn't be messed with gets you PE/DC penalties. Intentionally doing it can get you hit for cheating.

[quote="Psily":f3gi5pn7][quote="Renji Asuka":f3gi5pn7][quote="Psily":f3gi5pn7]
I have bad laptop. Master duel doesnt work. Its not about the game if allows or not. I just want reference to offical rule[/quote:f3gi5pn7]
Everyone telling you that you can't do something is the reference. Otherwise google it yourself.[/quote:f3gi5pn7]
I dont trust anyone that tells me something. You can tell me that sky is red but is blue. I want offical ruling from KONAMI. only than the reference is 100% true. I belive you and judges and everyone that is not allowed and i accepted it. Only VALID reference from anywhere that is confirmed[/quote:f3gi5pn7]

When you decide to go play ranked, it is taken for granted that you know and agree with the tournament policies stated by Konami, it is not the Judges nor other users' job to teach you what are the tournament policies, it is your responsibility as a player to know this information beforehand.
Ignorance DOES NOT extent you of receiving penalties. 2 days is more than enough time to go and read the tournament policies yourself.

At this point, its not up to a judge or anyone to prove it to you or "link the ruling" saying YOU CANNOT arbitrarily ruffle through deck and shuffle it for no reason. Its up to YOU to prove to all of US and show a document that says YOU CAN. Go ahead, we'll wait.

[quote="Goatobed":z4qmiq5b]With all the respect to the rules, but what's wrong with looking at your deck, provided that it is shuffled afterwards?[/quote:z4qmiq5b]

IF you were allowed to shuffle your deck whenever you wanted, cards and effects that intentionally stack the deck in a specific order would be completely and utterly meaningless and would alter your draws in a significantly unfair manner.

I think as a judge, teaching people about the rules/policies of the game is incredibly important. Our enjoyment of teaching others is one of the biggest reasons why most of us judge in the first place.

If I'm taking a call, I do try to teach Duelists why rulings/policies are in place. If I have an official ruling on hand, or can easily get one in 30 seconds, I'll try to provide that if they ask. But I can't always do that, and I won't spend the time to go search for one if I am 100% certain I'm correct. At the end of the day, the Judge's ruling is what's going to be enforced, especially the ruling of a Head Judge (or someone acting in the capacity of a Head Judge, as was in this case). If you don't like it, you can complain about it on the internet later and either be told you were right or be told you were wrong (usually, it's the latter if I'm honest).

[quote="Jon-Stark":3l575mlr][quote="Goatobed":3l575mlr]With all the respect to the rules, but what's wrong with looking at your deck, provided that it is shuffled afterwards?[/quote:3l575mlr]

IF you were allowed to shuffle your deck whenever you wanted, cards and effects that intentionally stack the deck in a specific order would be completely and utterly meaningless and would alter your draws in a significantly unfair manner.[/quote:3l575mlr]

This is actually a good point. You wouldn't have needed 18-21 handtraps to beat SPYRAL back in early 2018.

[quote="Renji Asuka":1dk3q8bm][quote="Psily":1dk3q8bm]I never stated that is good to view your deck, i stated that no one (judges) points to official ruling about this thing. I agreed that is wrong and it shouldnt be done, i just want points to official ruling. its about principles not ruling in the game[/quote:1dk3q8bm]
Literally, nearly every single yugioh video game does not let you look through your deck in the middle of a duel unless a card allows it.

That is reference enough, stop trying to cheat.[/quote:1dk3q8bm]
This is very hypocritical of you because I remember a few months ago I said type x thing. You said "you need to link your source or else it makes your point less reliable" Paraphrased a bit. You yourself decide to do the same thing.

[quote="Sound4":kaf0fcs5][quote="Renji Asuka":kaf0fcs5][quote="Psily":kaf0fcs5]I never stated that is good to view your deck, i stated that no one (judges) points to official ruling about this thing. I agreed that is wrong and it shouldnt be done, i just want points to official ruling. its about principles not ruling in the game[/quote:kaf0fcs5]
Literally, nearly every single yugioh video game does not let you look through your deck in the middle of a duel unless a card allows it.

That is reference enough, stop trying to cheat.[/quote:kaf0fcs5]
This is very hypocritical of you because I remember a few months ago I said type x thing. You said "you need to link your source or else it makes your point less reliable" Paraphrased a bit. You yourself decide to do the same thing.[/quote:kaf0fcs5]
Considering the OP doesn't trust any source.

It wouldn't matter at all.

[quote="Renji Asuka":25ck2ah0][quote="Sound4":25ck2ah0][quote="Renji Asuka":25ck2ah0]
Literally, nearly every single yugioh video game does not let you look through your deck in the middle of a duel unless a card allows it.

That is reference enough, stop trying to cheat.[/quote:25ck2ah0]
This is very hypocritical of you because I remember a few months ago I said type x thing. You said "you need to link your source or else it makes your point less reliable" Paraphrased a bit. You yourself decide to do the same thing.[/quote:25ck2ah0]
Considering the OP doesn't trust any source.

It wouldn't matter at all.[/quote:25ck2ah0]

The Sound4 x Renji Asuka romance continues. You deserve each other.

[quote="Renji Asuka":1wvf4l7o][quote="Sound4":1wvf4l7o][quote="Renji Asuka":1wvf4l7o]
Literally, nearly every single yugioh video game does not let you look through your deck in the middle of a duel unless a card allows it.

That is reference enough, stop trying to cheat.[/quote:1wvf4l7o]
This is very hypocritical of you because I remember a few months ago I said type x thing. You said "you need to link your source or else it makes your point less reliable" Paraphrased a bit. You yourself decide to do the same thing.[/quote:1wvf4l7o]
Considering the OP doesn't trust any source.

It wouldn't matter at all.[/quote:1wvf4l7o]
Yeah you are lying at this point he literally said that the issue he had was the judge not showing any source to support his claim. If the judge showed a source supporting his claim he said himself this thread would have never been created.

[quote="troglyte":84f89h80][quote="Renji Asuka":84f89h80][quote="Sound4":84f89h80]
This is very hypocritical of you because I remember a few months ago I said type x thing. You said "you need to link your source or else it makes your point less reliable" Paraphrased a bit. You yourself decide to do the same thing.[/quote:84f89h80]
Considering the OP doesn't trust any source.

It wouldn't matter at all.[/quote:84f89h80]

The Sound4 x Renji Asuka romance continues. You deserve each other.[/quote:84f89h80]
Ah you again the person who ignores points and runs when your point is debunked. Correct?

[quote="Sound4":3h7z3ijo][quote="Renji Asuka":3h7z3ijo][quote="Sound4":3h7z3ijo]
This is very hypocritical of you because I remember a few months ago I said type x thing. You said "you need to link your source or else it makes your point less reliable" Paraphrased a bit. You yourself decide to do the same thing.[/quote:3h7z3ijo]
Considering the OP doesn't trust any source.

It wouldn't matter at all.[/quote:3h7z3ijo]
Yeah you are lying at this point he literally said that the issue he had was the judge not showing any source to support his claim. If the judge showed a source supporting his claim he said himself this thread would have never been created.[/quote:3h7z3ijo]
Are you just stupid?

Just say you are and you won't look like a fool, as I can easily correct you from within this thread.

[quote="Renji Asuka":2jbdinsg][quote="Sound4":2jbdinsg][quote="Renji Asuka":2jbdinsg]
Considering the OP doesn't trust any source.

It wouldn't matter at all.[/quote:2jbdinsg]
Yeah you are lying at this point he literally said that the issue he had was the judge not showing any source to support his claim. If the judge showed a source supporting his claim he said himself this thread would have never been created.[/quote:2jbdinsg]
Are you just stupid?

Just say you are and you won't look like a fool, as I can easily correct you from within this thread.[/quote:2jbdinsg]
Go ahead if you can.

[quote="Sound4":x9ga63xr][quote="Renji Asuka":x9ga63xr][quote="Sound4":x9ga63xr]
Yeah you are lying at this point he literally said that the issue he had was the judge not showing any source to support his claim. If the judge showed a source supporting his claim he said himself this thread would have never been created.[/quote:x9ga63xr]
Are you just stupid?

Just say you are and you won't look like a fool, as I can easily correct you from within this thread.[/quote:x9ga63xr]
Go ahead if you can.[/quote:x9ga63xr]
3rd Reply from the bottom on Page 1.

Their words exactly "I dont trust anyone that tells me something."

Now, do you want to stop being stupid? Or are you going to smarten up and keep your mouth shut so you don't make more of a fool of yourself?

[quote="Renji Asuka":qpf0hrwj][quote="Sound4":qpf0hrwj][quote="Renji Asuka":qpf0hrwj]
Are you just stupid?

Just say you are and you won't look like a fool, as I can easily correct you from within this thread.[/quote:qpf0hrwj]
Go ahead if you can.[/quote:qpf0hrwj]
3rd Reply from the bottom on Page 1.

Their words exactly "I dont trust anyone that tells me something."

Now, do you want to stop being stupid? Or are you going to smarten up and keep your mouth shut so you don't make more of a fool of yourself?[/quote:qpf0hrwj]
"I asked judge nicely, no judge refused to send me anything. If he did that, i would say thank you and im sorry. "
I recommend paying attention more when you are reading. Also that quote refers to a statement with nothing to back it up. Again you either clearly did not read properly or misunderstood.

[quote="Sound4":2linydy4][quote="Renji Asuka":2linydy4][quote="Sound4":2linydy4]
Go ahead if you can.[/quote:2linydy4]
3rd Reply from the bottom on Page 1.

Their words exactly "I dont trust anyone that tells me something."

Now, do you want to stop being stupid? Or are you going to smarten up and keep your mouth shut so you don't make more of a fool of yourself?[/quote:2linydy4]
"I asked judge nicely, no judge refused to send me anything. If he did that, i would say thank you and im sorry. "
I recommend paying attention more when you are reading. Also that quote refers to a statement with nothing to back it up. Again you either clearly did not read properly or misunderstood.[/quote:2linydy4]
The whole point of (head) judges is that they know the rules, so if they say something is against the rules then they ARE the source

[quote="Sound4":3jyd08vr][quote="Renji Asuka":3jyd08vr][quote="Sound4":3jyd08vr]
Go ahead if you can.[/quote:3jyd08vr]
3rd Reply from the bottom on Page 1.

Their words exactly "I dont trust anyone that tells me something."

Now, do you want to stop being stupid? Or are you going to smarten up and keep your mouth shut so you don't make more of a fool of yourself?[/quote:3jyd08vr]
"I asked judge nicely, no judge refused to send me anything. If he did that, i would say thank you and im sorry. "
I recommend paying attention more when you are reading. Also that quote refers to a statement with nothing to back it up. Again you either clearly did not read properly or misunderstood.[/quote:3jyd08vr]
Ah yes, the whole "Maybe you should pay attention while I selectively read" argument.

This is drama, not a serious discussion bruh...

The nosense never ending story...

[quote="Renji Asuka":15a8o4ns][quote="Sound4":15a8o4ns][quote="Renji Asuka":15a8o4ns]
3rd Reply from the bottom on Page 1.

Their words exactly "I dont trust anyone that tells me something."

Now, do you want to stop being stupid? Or are you going to smarten up and keep your mouth shut so you don't make more of a fool of yourself?[/quote:15a8o4ns]
"I asked judge nicely, no judge refused to send me anything. If he did that, i would say thank you and im sorry. "
I recommend paying attention more when you are reading. Also that quote refers to a statement with nothing to back it up. Again you either clearly did not read properly or misunderstood.[/quote:15a8o4ns]
Ah yes, the whole "Maybe you should pay attention while I selectively read" argument.[/quote:15a8o4ns]
Thank you for confirming that you are wrong. Have a nice day.

[quote="greg503":9yf8dnt5][quote="Sound4":9yf8dnt5][quote="Renji Asuka":9yf8dnt5]
3rd Reply from the bottom on Page 1.

Their words exactly "I dont trust anyone that tells me something."

Now, do you want to stop being stupid? Or are you going to smarten up and keep your mouth shut so you don't make more of a fool of yourself?[/quote:9yf8dnt5]
"I asked judge nicely, no judge refused to send me anything. If he did that, i would say thank you and im sorry. "
I recommend paying attention more when you are reading. Also that quote refers to a statement with nothing to back it up. Again you either clearly did not read properly or misunderstood.[/quote:9yf8dnt5]
The whole point of (head) judges is that they know the rules, so if they say something is against the rules then they ARE the source[/quote:9yf8dnt5]
Judges aren't perfect and has been criticised many times of judges making ruling mistakes.

[list:3uttc6uv][/list:u:3uttc6uv][quote="DarwisBellium92":3uttc6uv]This is drama, not a serious discussion bruh...

The nosense never ending story...[/quote:3uttc6uv]
Don't bother reading then in the first place.

[quote="Sound4":k3chfeaq][quote="greg503":k3chfeaq][quote="Sound4":k3chfeaq]
"I asked judge nicely, no judge refused to send me anything. If he did that, i would say thank you and im sorry. "
I recommend paying attention more when you are reading. Also that quote refers to a statement with nothing to back it up. Again you either clearly did not read properly or misunderstood.[/quote:k3chfeaq]
The whole point of (head) judges is that they know the rules, so if they say something is against the rules then they ARE the source[/quote:k3chfeaq]
Judges aren't perfect and has been criticised many times of judges making ruling mistakes.[/quote:k3chfeaq]
Of which this is unanimously NOT one of them

[quote="Sound4":2r1nkrbd][quote="Renji Asuka":2r1nkrbd][quote="Sound4":2r1nkrbd]
"I asked judge nicely, no judge refused to send me anything. If he did that, i would say thank you and im sorry. "
I recommend paying attention more when you are reading. Also that quote refers to a statement with nothing to back it up. Again you either clearly did not read properly or misunderstood.[/quote:2r1nkrbd]
Ah yes, the whole "Maybe you should pay attention while I selectively read" argument.[/quote:2r1nkrbd]
Thank you for confirming that you are wrong. Have a nice day.[/quote:2r1nkrbd]
Ah yes, the guy who makes himself to be a hypocrite without realizing, then proceeds he is in the right.

But hey, I didn't know you advocated for blatant cheating.

[quote="Renji Asuka":njcyd9x6][quote="Sound4":njcyd9x6][quote="Renji Asuka":njcyd9x6]
Ah yes, the whole "Maybe you should pay attention while I selectively read" argument.[/quote:njcyd9x6]
Thank you for confirming that you are wrong. Have a nice day.[/quote:njcyd9x6]
Ah yes, the guy who makes himself to be a hypocrite without realizing, then proceeds he is in the right.

But hey, I didn't know you advocated for blatant cheating.[/quote:njcyd9x6]
Elaborate on the "hypocrite" part. I said that you are a hypocrite since you said about me that you it is important to show sources to what what I am saying instead of saying "type x thing". You proceed to do the same thing by the saying "look on master duel". It is incredibly hypocritical. Also don't jump to conclusions who said I am advocating cheating? You completely missed the point. Pay attention. What I said that you are a hypocrite based on what you said on what this topic is about. Also you intentionally misinterpreting quotes and once you saw that I proved you wrong. You gave a weak argument. Don't jump to conclusions before reading properly. Have a nice day.

[quote="greg503":2raci6bs][quote="Sound4":2raci6bs][quote="greg503":2raci6bs]
The whole point of (head) judges is that they know the rules, so if they say something is against the rules then they ARE the source[/quote:2raci6bs]
Judges aren't perfect and has been criticised many times of judges making ruling mistakes.[/quote:2raci6bs]
Of which this is unanimously NOT one of them[/quote:2raci6bs]
Of course the point is that the person wanted a source on why the judge thought that.

[quote="Sound4":1z5y3ana][quote="greg503":1z5y3ana][quote="Sound4":1z5y3ana]
Judges aren't perfect and has been criticised many times of judges making ruling mistakes.[/quote:1z5y3ana]
Of which this is unanimously NOT one of them[/quote:1z5y3ana]
Of course the point is that the person wanted a source on why the judge thought that.[/quote:1z5y3ana]
Which is where they misunderstand that the judge does not need to give a source, end of story

[quote="Sound4":2331wtux][quote="Renji Asuka":2331wtux][quote="Sound4":2331wtux]
Thank you for confirming that you are wrong. Have a nice day.[/quote:2331wtux]
Ah yes, the guy who makes himself to be a hypocrite without realizing, then proceeds he is in the right.

But hey, I didn't know you advocated for blatant cheating.[/quote:2331wtux]
Elaborate on the "hypocrite" part. I said that you are a hypocrite since you said about me that you it is important to show sources to what what I am saying instead of saying "type x thing". You proceed to do the same thing by the saying "look on master duel". It is incredibly hypocritical. Also don't jump to conclusions who said I am advocating cheating? You completely missed the point. Pay attention. What I said that you are a hypocrite based on what you said on what this topic is about. Also you intentionally misinterpreting quotes and once you saw that I proved you wrong. You gave a weak argument. Don't jump to conclusions before reading properly. Have a nice day.[/quote:2331wtux]
I don't need to elaborate on anything since you're incapable of reading.

[quote="Renji Asuka":2eplzbso][quote="Sound4":2eplzbso][quote="Renji Asuka":2eplzbso]
Ah yes, the guy who makes himself to be a hypocrite without realizing, then proceeds he is in the right.

But hey, I didn't know you advocated for blatant cheating.[/quote:2eplzbso]
Elaborate on the "hypocrite" part. I said that you are a hypocrite since you said about me that you it is important to show sources to what what I am saying instead of saying "type x thing". You proceed to do the same thing by the saying "look on master duel". It is incredibly hypocritical. Also don't jump to conclusions who said I am advocating cheating? You completely missed the point. Pay attention. What I said that you are a hypocrite based on what you said on what this topic is about. Also you intentionally misinterpreting quotes and once you saw that I proved you wrong. You gave a weak argument. Don't jump to conclusions before reading properly. Have a nice day.[/quote:2eplzbso]
I don't need to elaborate on anything since you're incapable of reading.[/quote:2eplzbso]
Very weak and vague argument. Is it that you have realised that you misinterpreted what the user said? or are you in denial? Either way you have been proven wrong with facts and evidence which you have no answer for. Have a nice day.

[quote="greg503":ly63zxdc][quote="Sound4":ly63zxdc][quote="greg503":ly63zxdc]
Of which this is unanimously NOT one of them[/quote:ly63zxdc]
Of course the point is that the person wanted a source on why the judge thought that.[/quote:ly63zxdc]
Which is where they misunderstand that the judge does not need to give a source, end of story[/quote:ly63zxdc]
The point is that the user didn't see much of a reason why the judge thought that and wanted a source. A judge in well within their rights to provide a source which I I have seen been done.

[quote="Sound4":3sf4evjs][quote="greg503":3sf4evjs][quote="Sound4":3sf4evjs]
Of course the point is that the person wanted a source on why the judge thought that.[/quote:3sf4evjs]
Which is where they misunderstand that the judge does not need to give a source, end of story[/quote:3sf4evjs]
The point is that the user didn't see much of a reason why the judge thought that and wanted a source. A judge in well within their rights to provide a source which I I have seen been done.[/quote:3sf4evjs]
They are also well within their rights to not in a scenario as obvious as this.

[quote="Sound4":36ck19e2][quote="Renji Asuka":36ck19e2][quote="Sound4":36ck19e2]
Elaborate on the "hypocrite" part. I said that you are a hypocrite since you said about me that you it is important to show sources to what what I am saying instead of saying "type x thing". You proceed to do the same thing by the saying "look on master duel". It is incredibly hypocritical. Also don't jump to conclusions who said I am advocating cheating? You completely missed the point. Pay attention. What I said that you are a hypocrite based on what you said on what this topic is about. Also you intentionally misinterpreting quotes and once you saw that I proved you wrong. You gave a weak argument. Don't jump to conclusions before reading properly. Have a nice day.[/quote:36ck19e2]
I don't need to elaborate on anything since you're incapable of reading.[/quote:36ck19e2]
Very weak and vague argument. Is it that you have realised that you misinterpreted what the user said? or are you in denial? Either way you have been proven wrong with facts and evidence which you have no answer for. Have a nice day.[/quote:36ck19e2]
It isn't weak or vague, you just refuse to read. There's a difference.

If you actually cared to have a conversation, you wouldn't be intellectually dishonest.

And yes, nearly every thread you get into, you're always intellectually dishonest.

The endless and useless words battle...

[quote="Renji Asuka":2njj3zid][quote="Sound4":2njj3zid][quote="Renji Asuka":2njj3zid]
I don't need to elaborate on anything since you're incapable of reading.[/quote:2njj3zid]
Very weak and vague argument. Is it that you have realised that you misinterpreted what the user said? or are you in denial? Either way you have been proven wrong with facts and evidence which you have no answer for. Have a nice day.[/quote:2njj3zid]
It isn't weak or vague, you just refuse to read. There's a difference.

If you actually cared to have a conversation, you wouldn't be intellectually dishonest.

And yes, nearly every thread you get into, you're always intellectually dishonest.[/quote:2njj3zid]
Incorrect you realised that you misinterpreted what the user said and refuse to admit. You have been proven wrong with facts and evidence which you have no answer. That is the truth. This isn't my opinion this is purely facts supported with evidence. You know it just accept it. Have a nice day.

[quote="greg503":nxxcm7ev][quote="Sound4":nxxcm7ev][quote="greg503":nxxcm7ev]
Which is where they misunderstand that the judge does not need to give a source, end of story[/quote:nxxcm7ev]
The point is that the user didn't see much of a reason why the judge thought that and wanted a source. A judge in well within their rights to provide a source which I I have seen been done.[/quote:nxxcm7ev]
They are also well within their rights to not in a scenario as obvious as this.[/quote:nxxcm7ev]
The user did which is what they are complaining about.

[quote="Sound4":3pxsemaj][quote="greg503":3pxsemaj][quote="Sound4":3pxsemaj]
The point is that the user didn't see much of a reason why the judge thought that and wanted a source. A judge in well within their rights to provide a source which I I have seen been done.[/quote:3pxsemaj]
They are also well within their rights to not in a scenario as obvious as this.[/quote:3pxsemaj]
The user did which is what they are complaining about.[/quote:3pxsemaj]
And they can complain, but it doesn't change anything

[quote="Sound4":279ml95g][quote="Renji Asuka":279ml95g][quote="Sound4":279ml95g]
Very weak and vague argument. Is it that you have realised that you misinterpreted what the user said? or are you in denial? Either way you have been proven wrong with facts and evidence which you have no answer for. Have a nice day.[/quote:279ml95g]
It isn't weak or vague, you just refuse to read. There's a difference.

If you actually cared to have a conversation, you wouldn't be intellectually dishonest.

And yes, nearly every thread you get into, you're always intellectually dishonest.[/quote:279ml95g]
Incorrect you realised that you misinterpreted what the user said and refuse to admit. You have been proven wrong with facts and evidence which you have no answer. That is the truth. This isn't my opinion this is purely facts supported with evidence. You know it just accept it. Have a nice day.[/quote:279ml95g]
once again you're showing how you're intellectually dishonest.

[quote="Renji Asuka":2dhmh4v6][quote="Sound4":2dhmh4v6][quote="Renji Asuka":2dhmh4v6]
It isn't weak or vague, you just refuse to read. There's a difference.

If you actually cared to have a conversation, you wouldn't be intellectually dishonest.

And yes, nearly every thread you get into, you're always intellectually dishonest.[/quote:2dhmh4v6]
Incorrect you realised that you misinterpreted what the user said and refuse to admit. You have been proven wrong with facts and evidence which you have no answer. That is the truth. This isn't my opinion this is purely facts supported with evidence. You know it just accept it. Have a nice day.[/quote:2dhmh4v6]
once again you're showing how you're intellectually dishonest.[/quote:2dhmh4v6]
Explain. Oh sorry you can't. You know why? It is because you have been proven wrong with facts and evidence.

[quote="Sound4":dmbxq4r8][quote="Renji Asuka":dmbxq4r8][quote="Sound4":dmbxq4r8]
Incorrect you realised that you misinterpreted what the user said and refuse to admit. You have been proven wrong with facts and evidence which you have no answer. That is the truth. This isn't my opinion this is purely facts supported with evidence. You know it just accept it. Have a nice day.[/quote:dmbxq4r8]
once again you're showing how you're intellectually dishonest.[/quote:dmbxq4r8]
Explain. Oh sorry you can't. You know why? It is because you have been proven wrong with facts and evidence.[/quote:dmbxq4r8]
You claim I can't, yet I already have, which is more proof you don't read and all you do is just worry about what your next response is going to be.

[quote="Renji Asuka":35d1335o][quote="Sound4":35d1335o][quote="Renji Asuka":35d1335o]
once again you're showing how you're intellectually dishonest.[/quote:35d1335o]
Explain. Oh sorry you can't. You know why? It is because you have been proven wrong with facts and evidence.[/quote:35d1335o]
You claim I can't, yet I already have, which is more proof you don't read and all you do is just worry about what your next response is going to be.[/quote:35d1335o]
Your explanation got proven wrong long ago with evidence of what he said. Don't act clueless. You know you have been proven wrong. Accept it.

[quote="Sound4":1dusu0sw][quote="Renji Asuka":1dusu0sw][quote="Sound4":1dusu0sw]
Explain. Oh sorry you can't. You know why? It is because you have been proven wrong with facts and evidence.[/quote:1dusu0sw]
You claim I can't, yet I already have, which is more proof you don't read and all you do is just worry about what your next response is going to be.[/quote:1dusu0sw]
Your explanation got proven wrong long ago with evidence of what he said. Don't act clueless. You know you have been proven wrong. Accept it.[/quote:1dusu0sw]
You haven't posted any form of evidence my guy.

You do the same song and dance every time you post in the forum and you're always end up wrong.

Yep, time to close this thread. Otherwise, these two will be at it on here for the rest of the year...

[quote="Renji Asuka":18a9bz11][quote="Sound4":18a9bz11][quote="Renji Asuka":18a9bz11]
You claim I can't, yet I already have, which is more proof you don't read and all you do is just worry about what your next response is going to be.[/quote:18a9bz11]
Your explanation got proven wrong long ago with evidence of what he said. Don't act clueless. You know you have been proven wrong. Accept it.[/quote:18a9bz11]
You haven't posted any form of evidence my guy.

You do the same song and dance every time you post in the forum and you're always end up wrong.[/quote:18a9bz11]
"I asked judge nicely, no judge refused to send me anything. If he did that, i would say thank you and im sorry. "
I recommend paying attention more when you are reading. Also that quote refers to a statement with nothing to back it up. Again you either clearly did not read properly or misunderstood.

This was in page 2. You are lying again. You have been proven wrong. Accept it.

[quote="Sound4":13vjy0k7][quote="Renji Asuka":13vjy0k7][quote="Sound4":13vjy0k7]
Your explanation got proven wrong long ago with evidence of what he said. Don't act clueless. You know you have been proven wrong. Accept it.[/quote:13vjy0k7]
You haven't posted any form of evidence my guy.

You do the same song and dance every time you post in the forum and you're always end up wrong.[/quote:13vjy0k7]
"I asked judge nicely, no judge refused to send me anything. If he did that, i would say thank you and im sorry. "
I recommend paying attention more when you are reading. Also that quote refers to a statement with nothing to back it up. Again you either clearly did not read properly or misunderstood.

This was in page 2. You are lying again. You have been proven wrong. Accept it.[/quote:13vjy0k7]
Hilarious how you choose to deflect from reality.

I've read every post from the past 2 pages and I honestly have no idea what you are all arguing about. Not even a single clue. I've already addressed the concerns of the topic. Nothing more needs to be said.