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[Lil Oldman]

It may be not legal in certain countries while still being legal in whichever country it's being hosted in.

And? It still doesn't remove the fact that, at least in the U.S., it is illegal. Regardless however, this is more of a moral dilema, rather than a legal one, at least in my opinion.

How do you know it's illegal here?

It is blatant pirating.

[Renji Asuka]

Just to also point out, that pirating can make you receive heavy fines and even prison time in the U.S.

[PENMASTER]

the tripods series was pretty good i been looking for a way to read the rest

[Christen57]

And? It still doesn't remove the fact that, at least in the U.S., it is illegal. Regardless however, this is more of a moral dilema, rather than a legal one, at least in my opinion.

How do you know it's illegal here?

It is blatant pirating.

Only if the copyright holder and your Internet Service Provider both explicitly disallow it, the book in question's registered in the copyright database, and it isn't in the public domain.

Just to also point out, that pirating can make you receive heavy fines and even prison time in the U.S.

Only if you're illegally hosting the material in the United States and ignoring DMCA takedown requests. It doesn't apply if you're just downloading it from somewhere not explicitly forbidden by your Internet Service Provider, if the material's being hosted and downloaded outside the United States in a country with lax copyright laws, or if the material's too easy to recreate without copying, and libgen is hosted in places like Russia and the Netherlands, both of which have far more lenient copyright laws than the United States. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/dmca-ignored-countries

[Lil Oldman]

How do you know it's illegal here?

It is blatant pirating.

Only if the copyright holder and your Internet Service Provider both explicitly disallow it, the book in question's registered in the copyright database, and it isn't in the public domain.

According to whom? Because all sites from a quick google search for "What is Piracy" agreed that:

piracy, act of illegally reproducing or disseminating copyrighted material, such as computer programs, books, music, and films. Although any form of copyright infringement can and has been referred to as piracy, this article focuses on using computers to make digital copies of works for distribution over the Internet.

Piracy goes by a lot of very similar names – internet piracy, online piracy, and digital piracy, to name a few – but regardless of what it’s called, piracy is the act of illegally copying protected content that infringes on the owner’s copyright.

Piracy includes making illegal copies of copyrighted music, games, software, electronic books, and movies – or streaming that content without permission.

Online piracy is the practice of downloading and distributing copyrighted content digitally without permission, such as music or software.

All of them agree that illegal reproduction of any copyrighted work is considered piracy.
Regardless, this kinds of actions have no real prosecution and it mostly ends up to a moral descision, so there's no real point for this discussion regarding something just remotely related with the original topic.

[Renji Asuka]

How do you know it's illegal here?

It is blatant pirating.

Only if the copyright holder and your Internet Service Provider both explicitly disallow it, the book in question's registered in the copyright database, and it isn't in the public domain.

Just to also point out, that pirating can make you receive heavy fines and even prison time in the U.S.

Only if you're illegally hosting the material in the United States and ignoring DMCA takedown requests. It doesn't apply if you're just downloading it from somewhere not explicitly forbidden by your Internet Service Provider, if the material's being hosted and downloaded outside the United States in a country with lax copyright laws, or if the material's too easy to recreate without copying, and libgen is hosted in places like Russia and the Netherlands, both of which have far more lenient copyright laws than the United States. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/dmca-ignored-countries

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=8226751&page=1
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2012/sep/11/minnesota-woman-songs-illegally-downloaded

And this is just music.

https://venturebeat.com/2022/02/10/bowser-sentenced-to-3-years-in-jail-for-nintendo-switch-pirating/#:~:text=A%20U.S.%20court%20has%20sentenced,over%20%2414%20million%20in%20fines.

https://www.osnews.com/story/24186/game-pirate-sentenced-to-prison-fines-community-services/

https://www.networkworld.com/article/2274940/florida-man-sentenced-for-video-game-piracy.html

Then for books

https://torrentfreak.com/digital-textbook-pirate-handed-suspended-prison-sentence-211105/
https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2017/03/08/dad-ruled-liable-and-fined-for-his-sons-illegal-download/

Now I highly suggest you stop acting like it's legal to perform act of piracy.

[Renji Asuka]

It is blatant pirating.

Only if the copyright holder and your Internet Service Provider both explicitly disallow it, the book in question's registered in the copyright database, and it isn't in the public domain.

According to whom? Because all sites from a quick google search for "What is Piracy" agreed that:

piracy, act of illegally reproducing or disseminating copyrighted material, such as computer programs, books, music, and films. Although any form of copyright infringement can and has been referred to as piracy, this article focuses on using computers to make digital copies of works for distribution over the Internet.

Piracy goes by a lot of very similar names – internet piracy, online piracy, and digital piracy, to name a few – but regardless of what it’s called, piracy is the act of illegally copying protected content that infringes on the owner’s copyright.

Piracy includes making illegal copies of copyrighted music, games, software, electronic books, and movies – or streaming that content without permission.

Online piracy is the practice of downloading and distributing copyrighted content digitally without permission, such as music or software.

All of them agree that illegal reproduction of any copyrighted work is considered piracy.
Regardless, this kinds of actions have no real prosecution and it mostly ends up to a moral descision, so there's no real point for this discussion regarding something just remotely related with the original topic.

Just saying, in the U.S. Piracy is considered a federal crime. Not only that the only reason a lot of people get away with it (regarding police not arresting) is because it's a civil matter in most cases.

[PENMASTER]

tax evasion is illegal but i do it anyway so whats the difference honestly

[Renji Asuka]

tax evasion is illegal but i do it anyway so whats the difference honestly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G56VgsLfKY4

[Christen57]

It is blatant pirating.

Only if the copyright holder and your Internet Service Provider both explicitly disallow it, the book in question's registered in the copyright database, and it isn't in the public domain.

Just to also point out, that pirating can make you receive heavy fines and even prison time in the U.S.

Only if you're illegally hosting the material in the United States and ignoring DMCA takedown requests. It doesn't apply if you're just downloading it from somewhere not explicitly forbidden by your Internet Service Provider, if the material's being hosted and downloaded outside the United States in a country with lax copyright laws, or if the material's too easy to recreate without copying, and libgen is hosted in places like Russia and the Netherlands, both of which have far more lenient copyright laws than the United States. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/dmca-ignored-countries

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=8226751&page=1
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2012/sep/11/minnesota-woman-songs-illegally-downloaded

And this is just music.

It's says the punishment was for downloading AND sharing the stuff. I'm not telling people to, or how to, download AND re-distribute these books. I'm telling people just how they can download them.

https://venturebeat.com/2022/02/10/bowser-sentenced-to-3-years-in-jail-for-nintendo-switch-pirating/#:~:text=A%20U.S.%20court%20has%20sentenced,over%20%2414%20million%20in%20fines.

Again, it says the punishment was for selling the stuff, not for merely downloading the stuff. I'm not encouraging the specific act of selling other people's copyrighted stuff.

https://www.osnews.com/story/24186/game-pirate-sentenced-to-prison-fines-community-services/

Yeah, it literally says:

"There’s a massive and crucial difference between individual folk downloading some music, a few films, and some games – and professional pirates who earn massive boatloads of money by turning their piracy into a business. You know, the folks actually selling pirated copies of films, games, and so on.

Bi falls in the latter category. He turned piracy into a business, selling boatloads of pirated games on eBay. He earned USD 367669 with his little business, and got caught by, well, being an idiot – he emailed a spreadsheet detailing his piracy business to his work email address. The FBI’s Cybercrime Task Force and US Postal Inspectors took it from there, leading to his arrest."

In other words, the issue was specifically him selling the stuff and making money off of it, which is separate from just downloading the stuff for one's own personal use. I'm neither telling anyone how to, nor suggesting that anyone, start trying to make a business or profit from these things. I'm only saying where they can be found, which is perfectly acceptable.

https://www.networkworld.com/article/2274940/florida-man-sentenced-for-video-game-piracy.html

"A Florida man has been sentenced to 15 months in prison and ordered to pay US$415,900 in restitution for selling video game systems that were preloaded with more than 75 pirated copies of games, the U.S. Department of Justice announced."

In other words, the issue was, again, only him specifically trying to SELL the copies of games, not downloading them. I'm only talking about downloading. I'm not talking about selling or re-distributing.

Then for books

https://torrentfreak.com/digital-textbook-pirate-handed-suspended-prison-sentence-211105/
https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2017/03/08/dad-ruled-liable-and-fined-for-his-sons-illegal-download/

These links talk about cases that happened outside the United States. I'm talking about downloading within the United States since that's where I'm at and where I assume the rest of you currently are.

Your own source said it best: There's a massive and crucial difference between just downloading things for your own personal use, and then taking it to a whole new level by also trying to make a business re-distributing and profiting off of them by selling them. The latter is where the issue lies, not the former.

All of them agree that illegal reproduction of any copyrighted work is considered piracy.

I was discussing only downloading them for personal use, not reproducing them.

[PENMASTER]

tax evasion is illegal but i do it anyway so whats the difference honestly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G56VgsLfKY4

good thing im adachi joker

[itsmetristan]

Anyone else here read Berserk?