Re: Shadowbanning without telling us?
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:50 pm
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Genexwrecker wrote:Correct
Christen57 wrote:Genexwrecker wrote:Correct
You agree that those spam posts of his I showed everyone would've warranted some kind of penalty, no?
Genexwrecker wrote:Christen57 wrote:Genexwrecker wrote:Correct
You agree that those spam posts of his I showed everyone would've warranted some kind of penalty, no?
Probably
apocralyph wrote:Genexwrecker wrote:Christen57 wrote:
You agree that those spam posts of his I showed everyone would've warranted some kind of penalty, no?
Probably
"probably" not yes, and was that why i was shadowbanned?
Genexwrecker wrote:apocralyph wrote:Genexwrecker wrote:Probably
"probably" not yes, and was that why i was shadowbanned?
I have no idea why ur posts are not viewable to others. This answer is not changing. It also isnt able to be appealed.
Genexwrecker wrote:Yes
apocralyph wrote:Genexwrecker wrote:apocralyph wrote:"probably" not yes, and was that why i was shadowbanned?
I have no idea why ur posts are not viewable to others. This answer is not changing. It also isnt able to be appealed.
So just to be clear, i have no idea what i did
Christen57 wrote:apocralyph wrote:Genexwrecker wrote:I have no idea why ur posts are not viewable to others. This answer is not changing. It also isnt able to be appealed.
So just to be clear, i have no idea what i did
I gave you a damn good idea what you did, as you don't get shadowbanned for things unreleased to the main menu, so maybe I don't know which exact main menu post of yours got you shadowbanned, but it was at least some of them.
I am curious though as to why none of the staff can discuss your shadowban with you though. I get that maybe they want to maintain your privacy, but they usually discuss these things with you privately, then let you decide for yourself if you want to share with us what they say to you.
Christen57 wrote:apocralyph wrote:Genexwrecker wrote:I have no idea why ur posts are not viewable to others. This answer is not changing. It also isnt able to be appealed.
So just to be clear, i have no idea what i did
I gave you a damn good idea what you did, as you don't get shadowbanned for things unreleased to the main menu, so maybe I don't know which exact main menu post of yours got you shadowbanned, but it was at least some of them.
I am curious though as to why none of the staff can discuss your shadowban with you though. I get that maybe they want to maintain your privacy, but they usually discuss these things with you privately, then let you decide for yourself if you want to share with us what they say to you.
apocralyph wrote:Christen57 wrote:apocralyph wrote:So just to be clear, i have no idea what i did
I gave you a damn good idea what you did, as you don't get shadowbanned for things unreleased to the main menu, so maybe I don't know which exact main menu post of yours got you shadowbanned, but it was at least some of them.
I am curious though as to why none of the staff can discuss your shadowban with you though. I get that maybe they want to maintain your privacy, but they usually discuss these things with you privately, then let you decide for yourself if you want to share with us what they say to you.
No, you gave me why you think i was shadowbanned, which ive said were wrong 4 times now and the jusges have confirmed for you. 4 times.
They cant discuss it privately because They. Dont. Know.
greg503 wrote:But the real question is, how close is that conclusion to the truth?
Christen57 wrote:greg503 wrote:But the real question is, how close is that conclusion to the truth?
Which conclusion?
greg503 wrote:Christen57 wrote:greg503 wrote:But the real question is, how close is that conclusion to the truth?
Which conclusion?
What you just said about shadowbanning and the hypothesis that the judges/whomever is supposed to reply "I don't know".
Christen57 wrote:apocralyph wrote:Christen57 wrote:
I gave you a damn good idea what you did, as you don't get shadowbanned for things unreleased to the main menu, so maybe I don't know which exact main menu post of yours got you shadowbanned, but it was at least some of them.
I am curious though as to why none of the staff can discuss your shadowban with you though. I get that maybe they want to maintain your privacy, but they usually discuss these things with you privately, then let you decide for yourself if you want to share with us what they say to you.
No, you gave me why you think i was shadowbanned, which ive said were wrong 4 times now and the jusges have confirmed for you. 4 times.
It's not hard to figure out, through process of elimination, why you were shadowbanned. Shadowbans are issued for offenses directly related to the main menu, and their purpose is specifically to hide people's posts specifically on the main menu and nowhere else. Nothing else. Therefore, your shadowban had to do with what you posted on the main menu. I dug through your main menu posts and found a bunch of spammy/troll/nonsensical posts and logically deduced that these posts were most likely, if not definitely, the reason for your shadowban.They cant discuss it privately because They. Dont. Know.
If that were truly the case — that literally no judge and no admin could figure out why you would've possibly been shadowbanned — the staff would've lifted your shadowban by now, as when you submit an appeal for someone to look at, and that person finds no evidence of you doing anything wrong, your penalty gets lifted/reversed. They do know what you did, and the rest of us were able to figure it out too using process of elimination.
You don't get shadowbanned over things you say/do in duels, or over content you post in duel notes or in public chat. That's what freezes, game/match losses, and beginner status and stuff are for.
You don't get shadowbanned over custom cards, or images, that violate the rules. That's what revoking uploading privileges are for.
You don't get shadowbanned over anything said in private messages. That's what the blocking feature is for.
You don't get shadowbanned over registering with a username that breaks the rules. That's what mandatory username changes are for.
You don't get shadowbanned over anything you post on your profile, or anything related to the duelingbook judge exam (such as cheating on it). Those are what bans are for, as well as other offenses deemed serious enough to warrant an outright ban.
You get shadowbanned only as a result of things posted to the main menu. This is the only offense in which shadowbans can end up being issued. Nothing else.
This is the process of elimination I was talking about, Apocralyph. I concluded that it was your main menu posts that got you shadowbanned not because that's just what I knew, but because there was literally nothing else it could've been for, so please answer me this if you still want to insist it wasn't the main menu posts that you got shadowbanned:
What else could you have possibly been shadowbanned for, if not for those main menu posts, and what else does a shadowban get issued for, if not for anything related to the main menu?
Shadowbans are an absolute last resort after the users in question are given many many chances, and most of the time, chances across several accounts. It is only used for those who have shown clear intention to not stop their actions even when made aware of them, and shown that bans or freezes don't stop them as they just evade. The purpose of not telling them is so they do not try to ban evade, and all of them know already why they are shadowbanned if they do actually figure it out. - Genexwrecker
So quit lying already, Apocralyph. Shadowbans are given after the user in question was warned multiple times about their behavior on the main menu violating the rules, and has already been given lighter penalties such as freezes beforehand, all before the staff finally decide to escalate things to a shadowban. With all this in mind, it's safe to conclude that the only reason judges keep saying "I don't know" at this point is because that's just what they're instructed to say when people come to them asking about shadowbans, leaving it up to people like me to help fill in the blanks.
Christen57 wrote:greg503 wrote:Christen57 wrote:
Which conclusion?
What you just said about shadowbanning and the hypothesis that the judges/whomever is supposed to reply "I don't know".
Genexwrecker confirmed both these things. She confirmed that shadowbans are only issued as a last resort (unless it's Xteven himself handing them out), and confirmed that the judges aren't supposed to openly discuss shadowbans, which would explain why they reply with vague stuff like "I don't know".