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We do not need more judges, we need better, more competent players. ive recently talked with some judges, according to their analytics over 70% of judge calls can be resolved between the players without judge intervention, 30% of those can be boiled down to lack of reading comprehension, while the other 40% are Malicious AFK, cheating ect. So next time, before you say "we need more judges" consider the fact that there are well over 3 times as much work as there should be.

Be adults, figure shit out amongst yourselves. if your opponent is cheating/afking, leave the duel and report them, your time is worth more than fake internet points and complaining about judges wont fix your problems any sooner.

sound4 in shambles

atleast 80% of my ruling disputes are covered by the rulebook. If users read the rules 90% of judge calls would not exist

[quote="greg503":308vd6u6]sound4 in shambles[/quote:308vd6u6]
Explain. I tried to resolve the issue.

Where is your source supporting your percentages?

[quote="Sound4":3kn2a5w0]Where is your source supporting your percentages?[/quote:3kn2a5w0]
everyone who played/watches rated knows this is about right plus its just a statement not exact facts but if they said it was i would believe it

[quote="Sound4":ju10me66]Where is your source supporting your percentages?[/quote:ju10me66]
Genexwrecker is literally a judge.. Distant coder went over the analytics for Judge calls on DB on their stream, you can literally ask any judge what percentage of judge calls are covered in the card text/rulebook alone and it will likely be no less than 30%.

[quote="Sound4":tj3ls89l]Where is your source supporting your percentages?[/quote:tj3ls89l]
I'm the source. it can change pending on the judge but typically a good chunk or sometimes majority of our calls are resolved by simply reading or reading the rulebook. atleas 30% of calls can be that way. though some of us have different luck with our calls and I tend to get more than others. I Have also taken the most judge calls rightbehind coder and player1 so I have a much larger pool of calls taken to pull from for stats.

[quote="PENMASTER":dj6g5hlu][quote="Sound4":dj6g5hlu]Where is your source supporting your percentages?[/quote:dj6g5hlu]
everyone who played/watches rated knows this is about right plus its just a statement not exact facts but if they said it was i would believe it[/quote:dj6g5hlu]
I have taken over 15000 judge calls on duelingbook. probably over 8000 of those judge calls were rules covered in the rulebook.

[quote="Genexwrecker":2mlkjotu][quote="Sound4":2mlkjotu]Where is your source supporting your percentages?[/quote:2mlkjotu]
I'm the source. it can change pending on the judge but typically a good chunk or sometimes majority of our calls are resolved by simply reading or reading the rulebook. atleas 30% of calls can be that way. though some of us have different luck with our calls and I tend to get more than others. I Have also taken the most judge calls rightbehind coder and player1 so I have a much larger pool of calls taken to pull from for stats.[/quote:2mlkjotu]
And how exactly do you keep record of thses judge calls? Plus that is simply a cause of of DB being veryslow a ame that is slow causes people to be careless and not paying attention to the current situation which then needs a judge to come in.

[quote="ominous":3g55szuz][quote="Sound4":3g55szuz]Where is your source supporting your percentages?[/quote:3g55szuz]
Genexwrecker is literally a judge.. Distant coder went over the analytics for Judge calls on DB on their stream, you can literally ask any judge what percentage of judge calls are covered in the card text/rulebook alone and it will likely be no less than 30%.[/quote:3g55szuz]
DB is very slow you would not see this in irl.

[quote="Sound4":27f6ocd6][quote="Genexwrecker":27f6ocd6][quote="Sound4":27f6ocd6]Where is your source supporting your percentages?[/quote:27f6ocd6]
I'm the source. it can change pending on the judge but typically a good chunk or sometimes majority of our calls are resolved by simply reading or reading the rulebook. atleas 30% of calls can be that way. though some of us have different luck with our calls and I tend to get more than others. I Have also taken the most judge calls rightbehind coder and player1 so I have a much larger pool of calls taken to pull from for stats.[/quote:27f6ocd6]
And how exactly do you keep record of thses judge calls? Plus that is simply a cause of of DB being veryslow a ame that is slow causes people to be careless and not paying attention to the current situation which then needs a judge to come in.[/quote:27f6ocd6]
[quote="Sound4":27f6ocd6][quote="ominous ":27f6ocd6][quote="Sound4":27f6ocd6]
Where is your source supporting your percentages?
[/quote:27f6ocd6]
Genexwrecker is literally a judge.. Distant coder went over the analytics for Judge calls on DB on their stream, you can literally ask any judge what percentage of judge calls are covered in the card text/rulebook alone and it will likely be no less than 30%.
[/quote:27f6ocd6]
DB is very slow you would not see this in irl.[/quote:27f6ocd6]
First off, you don't need to keep a record of every single judge call you've taken to notice a significant trend. Genex feels that a lot of calls are about reading the cards or rules, and I believe that. Second, "lag" is a very simple judge call, rule what happens to the player who "lagged," and if the other disagrees, they might appeal it.

[quote="Sound4":z1h2zzzd][quote="Genexwrecker":z1h2zzzd][quote="Sound4":z1h2zzzd]Where is your source supporting your percentages?[/quote:z1h2zzzd]
I'm the source. it can change pending on the judge but typically a good chunk or sometimes majority of our calls are resolved by simply reading or reading the rulebook. atleas 30% of calls can be that way. though some of us have different luck with our calls and I tend to get more than others. I Have also taken the most judge calls rightbehind coder and player1 so I have a much larger pool of calls taken to pull from for stats.[/quote:z1h2zzzd]
And how exactly do you keep record of thses judge calls?[/quote:z1h2zzzd]

In some database obviously?

Plus that is simply a cause of of DB being veryslow a ame that is slow causes people to be careless and not paying attention to the current situation which then needs a judge to come in.

Multiple judges now have said that it has to do with players not knowing basic rules/rulings, not with duelingbook being slow.

[quote="Sound4":127ihvys][quote="Genexwrecker":127ihvys][quote="Sound4":127ihvys]Where is your source supporting your percentages?[/quote:127ihvys]
I'm the source. it can change pending on the judge but typically a good chunk or sometimes majority of our calls are resolved by simply reading or reading the rulebook. atleas 30% of calls can be that way. though some of us have different luck with our calls and I tend to get more than others. I Have also taken the most judge calls rightbehind coder and player1 so I have a much larger pool of calls taken to pull from for stats.[/quote:127ihvys]
And how exactly do you keep record of thses judge calls? Plus that is simply a cause of of DB being veryslow a ame that is slow causes people to be careless and not paying attention to the current situation which then needs a judge to come in.[/quote:127ihvys]
Every single judge call I take is recorded just like your duels. I myself also keep track of every call myself on top of that. currently I have taken 16618 exactly. and I have been a judge on here since 2018. I have seen a lot more things than most of the judges on duelingbook.

[quote="greg503":26tqy1to][quote="Sound4":26tqy1to][quote="Genexwrecker":26tqy1to]
I'm the source. it can change pending on the judge but typically a good chunk or sometimes majority of our calls are resolved by simply reading or reading the rulebook. atleas 30% of calls can be that way. though some of us have different luck with our calls and I tend to get more than others. I Have also taken the most judge calls rightbehind coder and player1 so I have a much larger pool of calls taken to pull from for stats.[/quote:26tqy1to]
And how exactly do you keep record of thses judge calls? Plus that is simply a cause of of DB being veryslow a ame that is slow causes people to be careless and not paying attention to the current situation which then needs a judge to come in.[/quote:26tqy1to]
[quote="Sound4":26tqy1to][quote="ominous ":26tqy1to]
Genexwrecker is literally a judge.. Distant coder went over the analytics for Judge calls on DB on their stream, you can literally ask any judge what percentage of judge calls are covered in the card text/rulebook alone and it will likely be no less than 30%.
[/quote:26tqy1to]
DB is very slow you would not see this in irl.[/quote:26tqy1to]
First off, you don't need to keep a record of every single judge call you've taken to notice a significant trend. Genex feels that a lot of calls are about reading the cards or rules, and I believe that. Second, "lag" is a very simple judge call, rule what happens to the player who "lagged," and if the other disagrees, they might appeal it.[/quote:26tqy1to]
Some of us do actually keep personal track of our call types on a spreadsheet.

As for your issues about duelingbook being slow. I am able to tell if duelingbook itself is running slow or if your internet is. if you experience lag and db is the one being the problem I will see the lag and rule accordingly. If however your internet is slow and causing you to lag then obviously it is not duelingbooks fault and for lag that I cannot see I will rule accordingly.

[quote="Genexwrecker":eyilhq3c]As for your issues about duelingbook being slow. I am able to tell if duelingbook itself is running slow or if your internet is. if you experience lag and db is the one being the problem I will see the lag and rule accordingly. If however your internet is slow and causing you to lag then obviously it is not duelingbooks fault and for lag that I cannot see I will rule accordingly.[/quote:eyilhq3c]
I am talking about DB being slow as a whole. Searching your deck, clicking typing everything is very slow. Plus I find it odd you call yourself "the greatest online simulator" but a lot of people experience lag even with a good Internet.
https://youtu.be/mfQVsh3Ygtg
Watch this video for more information about DB being slow.

[quote="Sound4":36hk5wxc][quote="Genexwrecker":36hk5wxc]As for your issues about duelingbook being slow. I am able to tell if duelingbook itself is running slow or if your internet is. if you experience lag and db is the one being the problem I will see the lag and rule accordingly. If however your internet is slow and causing you to lag then obviously it is not duelingbooks fault and for lag that I cannot see I will rule accordingly.[/quote:36hk5wxc]
I am talking about DB being slow as a whole. Searching your deck, clicking typing everything is very slow. Plus I find it odd you call yourself "the greatest online simulator" but a lot of people experience lag even with a good Internet.
https://youtu.be/mfQVsh3Ygtg
Watch this video for more information about DB being slow.[/quote:36hk5wxc]
OH NO IT'S MANUAL!

Oh no, the simulator is a simulator, not a videogame

[quote="Sound4":1yq1nokk][quote="Genexwrecker":1yq1nokk]As for your issues about duelingbook being slow. I am able to tell if duelingbook itself is running slow or if your internet is. if you experience lag and db is the one being the problem I will see the lag and rule accordingly. If however your internet is slow and causing you to lag then obviously it is not duelingbooks fault and for lag that I cannot see I will rule accordingly.[/quote:1yq1nokk]
I am talking about DB being slow as a whole. Searching your deck, clicking typing everything is very slow. Plus I find it odd you call yourself "the greatest online simulator" but a lot of people experience lag even with a good Internet.
https://youtu.be/mfQVsh3Ygtg
Watch this video for more information about DB being slow.[/quote:1yq1nokk]

That video was from 2017. Back then we didn't have things like the declare button, the thinking button, or the ok button, so yes, duelingbook was slow back then when it came to basic things like declaring effects, but now we have those aforementioned buttons so games are overall faster.

I also don't know of any free online yugioh simulator that's better than duelingbook at the moment, so it's safe to say (for now at least) that duelingbook remains the best free online yugioh simulator.

It's pretty common knowledge that the average Duelingbook player is dim-witted, especially at the lower ranks. The general consensus is to grind to the top before you start seeing more skilled opponents, but lately I don't even think that's the case.

[quote="Earl /ygo":1qg61q6m]It's pretty common knowledge that the average Duelingbook player is dim-witted, especially at the lower ranks. The general consensus is to grind to the top before you start seeing more skilled opponents, but lately I don't even think that's the case.[/quote:1qg61q6m]
id argue its the opposite, the further up you go in rating, the more full-of-themselves your opponents get and become less likely to acknowledge a ruling against them, while dueling against someone who doesnt know what theyre doing is a bad experience, dueling against someone who stubbornly refuses theyre wrong is a different beast entirely.

If there are enough Judges, why are the reports i've sent not getting resolved? Even after MONTHS of being sent in?!

[quote="h2o2":1gi1lxm3]If there are enough Judges, why are the reports i've sent not getting resolved? Even after MONTHS of being sent in?![/quote:1gi1lxm3]
Maybe because the things youre reporting arent worth immediate action, or theyve already been dealt with. Could also be, like i said in the Original post, there is 3 times the amount of work as there should be for judges to shift through?

Be an adult, Solve your own problems, stop relying on others to do it for you.

so you say, harressment is not a topic worth reporting? and if they were already resolved, why didnt i get an apropriate notification?

[quote="h2o2":2tqh6ee0]so you say, harressment is not a topic worth reporting? and if they were already resolved, why didnt i get an apropriate notification?[/quote:2tqh6ee0]

Reports can take weeks before they're responded to. You need to wait. Nobody said harassment shouldn't be reported.

[quote="Christen57":39gii14r][quote="h2o2":39gii14r]so you say, harressment is not a topic worth reporting? and if they were already resolved, why didnt i get an apropriate notification?[/quote:39gii14r]

Reports can take weeks before they're responded to. You need to wait. Nobody said harassment shouldn't be reported.[/quote:39gii14r]
No that is a complete lie that Genexwrecker made up. "oh there are thousands of reports" No there isn't both of my appeals were literally replied within the next day.

[quote="ominous":o2c1mw8c][quote="h2o2":o2c1mw8c]If there are enough Judges, why are the reports i've sent not getting resolved? Even after MONTHS of being sent in?![/quote:o2c1mw8c]
Maybe because the things youre reporting arent worth immediate action, or theyve already been dealt with. Could also be, like i said in the Original post, there is 3 times the amount of work as there should be for judges to shift through?

Be an adult, Solve your own problems, stop relying on others to do it for you.[/quote:o2c1mw8c]
How is that Derbabaus guy not banned? Have you not seen him in past tournaments using extremely inappropriate language which is against DB rules? My report was almost a month ago yet still no response. I also provided a screenshot. Both of my appeals were replied within the next day which says that these appeals don't take long to do. They are relatively simplistic.

[quote="Sound4":3ydsafkj][quote="Christen57":3ydsafkj][quote="h2o2":3ydsafkj]so you say, harressment is not a topic worth reporting? and if they were already resolved, why didnt i get an apropriate notification?[/quote:3ydsafkj]

Reports can take weeks before they're responded to. You need to wait. Nobody said harassment shouldn't be reported.[/quote:3ydsafkj]
No that is a complete lie that Genexwrecker made up. "oh there are thousands of reports" No there isn't both of my appeals were literally replied within the next day.[/quote:3ydsafkj]

Reports and appeals are 2 separate things and are handled separately. There can be many reports but very few appeals, meaning appeals would be answered much faster, which would explain why your appeals got handled so quickly.

How is that Derbabaus guy not banned? Have you not seen him in past tournaments using extremely inappropriate language which is against DB rules?

I currently don't pay attention to what goes on in tournaments so you're going to need to share screenshots or replays or something of this guy using said language.

There are maybe 1 or 2 ban or freeze appeals submitted each day. There are dozens of abuse reports filed each day. Most abuse reports are junk that we have to file through to find the actual reports. One takes far longer to get to than the other.

[quote="Sound4":1d3hg6qf][quote="Christen57":1d3hg6qf][quote="h2o2":1d3hg6qf]so you say, harressment is not a topic worth reporting? and if they were already resolved, why didnt i get an apropriate notification?[/quote:1d3hg6qf]

Reports can take weeks before they're responded to. You need to wait. Nobody said harassment shouldn't be reported.[/quote:1d3hg6qf]
No that is a complete lie that Genexwrecker made up. "oh there are thousands of reports" No there isn't both of my appeals were literally replied within the next day.[/quote:1d3hg6qf]
Appeals =/= reports, they are literally 2 different forum topics.

[quote="Genexwrecker":ob878w1c]There are maybe 1 or 2 ban or freeze appeals submitted each day. There are dozens of abuse reports filed each day. Most abuse reports are junk that we have to file through to find the actual reports. One takes far longer to get to than the other.[/quote:ob878w1c]

Isn't it against the rules to file bogus reports? When people do that, they're wasting their own time and judges' time because judges, like you said, have to sift through them to get to the real reports instead of just being able to jump right to said real reports.

We have no rules against silly reports. If they spam we can just ban them.

[quote="Christen57":1on6kig9][quote="Sound4":1on6kig9][quote="Christen57":1on6kig9]

Reports can take weeks before they're responded to. You need to wait. Nobody said harassment shouldn't be reported.[/quote:1on6kig9]
No that is a complete lie that Genexwrecker made up. "oh there are thousands of reports" No there isn't both of my appeals were literally replied within the next day.[/quote:1on6kig9]

Reports and appeals are 2 separate things and are handled separately. There can be many reports but very few appeals, meaning appeals would be answered much faster, which would explain why your appeals got handled so quickly.

How is that Derbabaus guy not banned? Have you not seen him in past tournaments using extremely inappropriate language which is against DB rules?

I currently don't pay attention to what goes on in tournaments so you're going to need to share screenshots or replays or something of this guy using said language.[/quote:1on6kig9]
I can't they were deleted but a judge can look back through his tournament replays especially against Spaghoot.

[quote="Genexwrecker":19oa8lu8]We have no rules against silly reports. If they spam we can just ban them.[/quote:19oa8lu8]

Sound4 suggests you look through this tournament he's referring to to see if some user named Derbabaus was saying things against the rules.

[quote="Sound4":dwenwyml][quote="ominous":dwenwyml][quote="h2o2":dwenwyml]If there are enough Judges, why are the reports i've sent not getting resolved? Even after MONTHS of being sent in?![/quote:dwenwyml]
Maybe because the things youre reporting arent worth immediate action, or theyve already been dealt with. Could also be, like i said in the Original post, there is 3 times the amount of work as there should be for judges to shift through?

Be an adult, Solve your own problems, stop relying on others to do it for you.[/quote:dwenwyml]
How is that Derbabaus guy not banned? Have you not seen him in past tournaments using extremely inappropriate language which is against DB rules? My report was almost a month ago yet still no response. I also provided a screenshot. Both of my appeals were replied within the next day which says that these appeals don't take long to do. They are relatively simplistic.[/quote:dwenwyml]
Probably because, "inappropriate language" isnt actually in the rules... Closes is "unsportsmanlike conduct" or "harassment" which, unless its rated, or done in public chat, isnt enforceable. Judges already deal with more than they should, we should expect them to police unrated duels, it would be like expecting the judge at your local card shop to punish someone for cheating in a play-ground duel. If they "hurt your feelings" block them, advise your participants to do the same, the judges have no obligation to deal with your meek sensibilities.

[quote="Sound4":2k08ucnt][quote="ominous":2k08ucnt][quote="h2o2":2k08ucnt]If there are enough Judges, why are the reports i've sent not getting resolved? Even after MONTHS of being sent in?![/quote:2k08ucnt]
Maybe because the things youre reporting arent worth immediate action, or theyve already been dealt with. Could also be, like i said in the Original post, there is 3 times the amount of work as there should be for judges to shift through?

Be an adult, Solve your own problems, stop relying on others to do it for you.[/quote:2k08ucnt]
How is that Derbabaus guy not banned? Have you not seen him in past tournaments using extremely inappropriate language which is against DB rules? My report was almost a month ago yet still no response. I also provided a screenshot. Both of my appeals were replied within the next day which says that these appeals don't take long to do. They are relatively simplistic.[/quote:2k08ucnt]
Probably because, "inappropriate language" isnt actually in the rules... Closest is "unsportsmanlike conduct" or "harassment" which, unless its rated, or done in public chat, isnt enforceable. Judges already deal with more than they should, we should expect them to police unrated duels, it would be like expecting the judge at your local card shop to punish someone for cheating in a play-ground duel. If they "hurt your feelings" block them, advise your participants to do the same, the judges have no obligation to deal with your meek sensibilities.