Re: February Emergency Wishlist
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:20 am
The Eldlich engine needs to finally take a hit. Limiting Sanguine could fix it.
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| Hanverid | wrote:Dragoon is extremely op and totally unfair, but it isn't the problem. The problem is that Normal Spell that allows you to summon it, by using materials from the field, hand or Main Deck. Long story short, ban Red-Eyes Fusion.
greg503 wrote:sophia124 wrote:Slitina wrote:What about miscellaneousaurs? Or he is unaffected by another banlist
I just edited the list, I banned Terraforming so they can't search Lost World (or Mystic Mine)0. I think my list putting Fossil Dig to 1 will make Dinosaurs a lot less consistent.
Fossil Dig is just better ROTA, how has it not been limited yet
Lil Oldman wrote:| Hanverid | wrote:Dragoon is extremely op and totally unfair, but it isn't the problem. The problem is that Normal Spell that allows you to summon it, by using materials from the field, hand or Main Deck. Long story short, ban Red-Eyes Fusion.
The problem is the predaplant link, it can excavate it from the deck so easily
sophia124 wrote:james123 wrote:How bout
Ban
Calamities
Predaplant Verte Anaconda or Red-Eyes Fusion (If you prefer)
Number S0
Limited
Linkross
Dragon Buster
Nadir's Servant
Firewall Dragon (Upcoming Errata You know)
Grinder Golem
Semi-Limited
Cursed Eldland
Called By the Grave
Memories of Hope
I agree with the forbidden. But are you joking in the limited list, we just banned linkross and dragon buster. Unbanning Grinder golem would cause a lot of problems. Seriously you must not understand the definition of broken, degenerate, or unfair. Going first with these cards (linkross, dragon buster, grinder) makes it likely you'll win the Duel by more than 80%.
Ban
Herald of Arc Light
Preparation of Rites
Maybe: Manju of the Ten Thousand Hands
Ritual decks are really good now. Of course Benten is the card people want to ban the most. But i figured if we also ban manju of the ten thousand hands then it would be pretty hard, you'll have to rely on Senju and Sonic Bird, which can lead to bricks since its not as flexible as Manju, and it can be stopped by the likes of Effect Veiler, Ash Blossom, Gamma, Imperm, AND Solemn Strike. Plus Arc Light is broken if you also summon Borreload Savage Dragon. Arc Light can also be used with Extra Foolish Burial. If we ban Arc Light I think Eldich is more reasonable.
Ban
Number S0 Utopic Zexal
Calamities (VFD)
These are the most powerful XYZ monsters.
Ban
Crystron Halqifibrax
Red-Eyes Dark Dragoon
Guardragon Elpy
virtual world beast jiujiu
Look, halq is probably the 1 card I may be okay with not banning it but I think at some point Konami will be tempted to. Dragoon i realize a lot of players love this card. But the OCG did ban it. And of course, virtual world is getting really good. I realize if VFD is already banned in my list than, it makes sense to rid of this jiujiu card, since the lv8 virtual world synchro can't be used to make VFD.
Limit
Mystic Mine
Fossil Dig
Well, Fossil Dig is debatable. Souleating Over can be stopped by Effect Veiler, Gamma, Ash, Imperm, AND Solemn Strike while Fossil Dig needs Ash to stop it. (Very Few play Solemn Judgment) And Mystic Mine is only really overpowered in Duelingbook Singles, rarely played much in real life Konami tournaments.
See how my list is more reasonable than yours james123?
Jedx_EX wrote:greg503 wrote:sophia124 wrote:
I just edited the list, I banned Terraforming so they can't search Lost World (or Mystic Mine)0. I think my list putting Fossil Dig to 1 will make Dinosaurs a lot less consistent.
Fossil Dig is just better ROTA, how has it not been limited yet
Konami's mindset is probably that there aren't as many Dinosaurs as there are Warriors, but perhaps it IS still a must to be limited if Misc isn't.
| Hanverid | wrote:Dragoon is extremely op and totally unfair, but it isn't the problem. The problem is that Normal Spell that allows you to summon it, by using materials from the field, hand or Main Deck. Long story short, ban Red-Eyes Fusion.
Renji Asuka wrote:The fact I see Knightmare Phoenix being banned is when I knew the OP is a bad player.
sophia124 wrote:Renji Asuka wrote:The fact I see Knightmare Phoenix being banned is when I knew the OP is a bad player.
Well, it was either that or Borreload Savage Dragon. I figured Savage is used less because Linkross was banned. And because i put Needlefiber in my wishlist ban. And I already banned Herald of Arc Light.
I hit all those Link monsters (Phoenix, Needlefiber, Union Carrier, Zeus) because it would force players to think of other cards to put in the extra deck, of course this require skill.
I honestly think I was lenient in the number of cards I wanted to ban. I should've added these cards as well:
- Apollousa, Bow of the Goddess
- Borreload Savage Dragon
- Predplant Verde Anacoda
- Number 38: Hope Harbinger Dragon Titanic Galaxy
- Drytron Mu-Beta Fafnir
- Clear Wing Synchro Dragon
- Cyber Dragon Infinity
- Mecha Phantom Beast Auroradon
sophia124 wrote:Doesn't that do basically the same thing? (as banning Dragoon)
| Hanverid | wrote:sophia124 wrote:Doesn't that do basically the same thing? (as banning Dragoon)
It won't be so abusable. If Red-Eyes Fusion is banned, verte stops being a problem.
greg503 wrote:Knightmare Phoenix is not a problem and is not banworthy, it is only 1 card that gives decks a way to deal with Spells/Traps outside of their archtype and MST-like cards. It isn't broken like Verte Anaconda or Union Carrier (which got a Buster Blader support card banned)
sophia124 wrote:greg503 wrote:Knightmare Phoenix is not a problem and is not banworthy, it is only 1 card that gives decks a way to deal with Spells/Traps outside of their archtype and MST-like cards. It isn't broken like Verte Anaconda or Union Carrier (which got a Buster Blader support card banned)
Fair enough. My thought process was, it takes no skill to put this card in your extra deck.
Renji Asuka wrote:sophia124 wrote:Renji Asuka wrote:The fact I see Knightmare Phoenix being banned is when I knew the OP is a bad player.
Well, it was either that or Borreload Savage Dragon. I figured Savage is used less because Linkross was banned. And because i put Needlefiber in my wishlist ban. And I already banned Herald of Arc Light.
I hit all those Link monsters (Phoenix, Needlefiber, Union Carrier, Zeus) because it would force players to think of other cards to put in the extra deck, of course this require skill.
I honestly think I was lenient in the number of cards I wanted to ban. I should've added these cards as well:
- Apollousa, Bow of the Goddess
- Borreload Savage Dragon
- Predplant Verde Anacoda
- Number 38: Hope Harbinger Dragon Titanic Galaxy
- Drytron Mu-Beta Fafnir
- Clear Wing Synchro Dragon
- Cyber Dragon Infinity
- Mecha Phantom Beast Auroradon
LOL Now you HAVE to be trolling
Clear Wing Synchro Dragon is a card NO ONE plays.
Borreload Savage Dragon isn't OP to be banworthy. In fact IT LETS YOU get over cards your deck can't normally get rid of while also negating a spell/trap. Apollousa is also a NON ISSUE due to the fact that all you have to do is force its effect to be used at least 1 - 2 times (most people from what I seen only used 3 materials for it) then run it over by battle.
As for Number 38: How dare the card be able to negate a spell!
But yeah, please keep being bad!
Renji Asuka wrote:Knightmare Phoenix... extra deck staples
sophia124 wrote:Renji Asuka wrote:sophia124 wrote:
Well, it was either that or Borreload Savage Dragon. I figured Savage is used less because Linkross was banned. And because i put Needlefiber in my wishlist ban. And I already banned Herald of Arc Light.
I hit all those Link monsters (Phoenix, Needlefiber, Union Carrier, Zeus) because it would force players to think of other cards to put in the extra deck, of course this require skill.
I honestly think I was lenient in the number of cards I wanted to ban. I should've added these cards as well:
- Apollousa, Bow of the Goddess
- Borreload Savage Dragon
- Predplant Verde Anacoda
- Number 38: Hope Harbinger Dragon Titanic Galaxy
- Drytron Mu-Beta Fafnir
- Clear Wing Synchro Dragon
- Cyber Dragon Infinity
- Mecha Phantom Beast Auroradon
LOL Now you HAVE to be trolling
Clear Wing Synchro Dragon is a card NO ONE plays.
Borreload Savage Dragon isn't OP to be banworthy. In fact IT LETS YOU get over cards your deck can't normally get rid of while also negating a spell/trap. Apollousa is also a NON ISSUE due to the fact that all you have to do is force its effect to be used at least 1 - 2 times (most people from what I seen only used 3 materials for it) then run it over by battle.
As for Number 38: How dare the card be able to negate a spell!
But yeah, please keep being bad!
Borreload Savage Dragon + Herald of Arc Light probably usually leads to victory most of the time.
My list banned Arc Light. Okay,
Borreload Savage Dragon + maybe a solemn judgment probably usually leads to victory most of the time.
As of Clear Wing Synchro Dragon, well idk it doesn't specify any specific monsters other than 1 tuner + 1 non tuner. Too easy to summon.
Number 38 perhaps if your opponent use Prohibition to declare VFD, and you choose to summon this. idk. But in a format where Maxx C is banned, and players usually able to play around Nibiru because of the token, its easy to SS 2 monsters that negate even if its 2 monsters that negate once per turn.
I don't know why you think banning degenerate cards that don't let your opponent play the game ... geez. I don't understand you people. You must have all the free time in the world to waste 15 minutes waiting your opponent to Special Summon 15+ monsters in turn 1 and finish with 2 negates (e.g. Borreload Savage Dragon + Herald of Arc Light), and you go second and lose because every thing you can do gets negated. I get it, you can scoop.
Like Applousa and Boorelad Savage Dragon on the field, you can negate a monster effect TWICE AND negate a Spell/Trap. So if you MAIN a card like Lightning Storm or Evenly Matched, it'll get negated.
Whats so different is you don't have to DRAW any of those extra deck monsters I banned. Thats crucial and why its banworthy. Fine, I understand that Number 38 is difficult to summon but it has similar requirements to VFD (2 level 8 monsters, 2 level 9 monsters) but everyone is okay with banning VFD.
Take a card like light and darkness dragon or herald of ultimateness or vanity's ruler, thats not banworthy because you have to DRAW IT or be lucky to open it with your opening hand, usually to summon it turn 1, along with drawing a card that lets you SS either itself or another monster from your hand or Deck.Renji Asuka wrote:Knightmare Phoenix... extra deck staples
Also, a good example of a banned extra deck monster. Lavalaval Chain. The requirements are much easier, 2 level 4 monsters. However Applousa, Boorelad savage, don't specify exact levels (so you can use level 1 2 or 3 as materials whatever you choose), so theres some flexibility to SS it. But Foolish Burial you have to draw it, so thats why Foolish Burial was not banned. I admit, Knightmare Phoenix was a bit my own wants and desires and may run contrary to popular opinion, but hey thats my personal opinion.
Renji Asuka wrote:
1, No one plays Clear Wing
2, I never seen people run both Savage Dragon & Herald of Arc Light
Renji Asuka wrote:3, Number 38 FORCES players to run level 8s. Which then becomes DECK DEPENDANT.
Renji Asuka wrote:4, the fact you think these cards are degenerate is only showing your lack of understanding the game and don't know how to bait your opponent.
Renji Asuka wrote:5, Appollousa negates monsters once per chain and a limited amount times, the only thing you need to worry about is the savage and force its negate, then play something like Lightning Storm/Evenly, alternatively force 1 or 2 Monster Negations, then run over it by battle.
Renji Asuka wrote:6, The idea to ban extra deck stuff because you don't have to draw into them is idiotic, the game turned the extra deck into extra utility to help deal with boards or certain decks, by banning those cards, you make boards harder to break.
Renji Asuka wrote:7, The reason Lavalval Chain was banned was because of infernity.
Renji Asuka wrote:All your reasons are a prime example of why Konami should NEVER listen to a player regarding a banlist.