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Posted: **Sun Jan 14, 2024 8:32 pm**

Reveal 1 monster in your hand, choose 1 monster from your Deck that has exactly 1 of the same Type, Attribute, Level, ATK or DEF, and banish the revealed monster from your hand face-down. Then add, from the Deck to your hand, 1 monster that has exactly 1 of the same Type, Attribute, Level, ATK or DEF as the monster chosen from your Deck, and banish the card chosen from the Deck face-down. You can only activate 1 "Small World" per turn.

Tyranno Infinity

Dinosaur
EARTH
Level 4
ATK ?
DEF 0

Arcana Triumph Joker

Warrior
LIGHT
Level 10
ATK ?
DEF 2500

Posted: **Sun Jan 14, 2024 9:59 pm**

Yes, you can use those "Tyranno Infinity" and "Arcana Triumph Joker", for "Small World". Also you can use "The Calculator" and "Lost Guardian", too. But cannot use "Gren Maju Da Eiza" and "Eater of Millions".

Posted: **Mon Jan 15, 2024 12:16 am**

Shouldn't you be able to and then have it be based on the non-stat components like level?

Posted: **Mon Jan 15, 2024 4:16 am**

Yes it can.
All monsters with ? ATK/DEF value are considered to have the same ATK/DEF for Small World's effect resolution, so yes, it is possible to use a ? ATK or ? DEF monster as your targets for small world's effect (given that they do not match in any other of their stats obviously). What you wouldn't be able to do is banishing a ? ATK monster and then choose a 0 ATK monster as the next card, treating them as if they had the same ATK; that is an illegal play.

Posted: **Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:39 pm**

greg503 wrote:Shouldn't you be able to and then have it be based on the non-stat components like level?

Fredblade wrote:Yes it can.
All monsters with ? ATK/DEF value are considered to have the same ATK/DEF for Small World's effect resolution, so yes, it is possible to use a ? ATK or ? DEF monster as your targets for small world's effect (given that they do not match in any other of their stats obviously). What you wouldn't be able to do is banishing a ? ATK monster and then choose a 0 ATK monster as the next card, treating them as if they had the same ATK; that is an illegal play.

The reason I asked this was because there was a ruling I found where effects aren't allowed to try and compare question mark stats with other question mark stats to see if they're the same or different. https://db.ygorganization.com/qa#22950

Posted: **Mon Jan 15, 2024 5:13 pm**

Christen57 wrote:
greg503 wrote:Shouldn't you be able to and then have it be based on the non-stat components like level?

Fredblade wrote:Yes it can.
All monsters with ? ATK/DEF value are considered to have the same ATK/DEF for Small World's effect resolution, so yes, it is possible to use a ? ATK or ? DEF monster as your targets for small world's effect (given that they do not match in any other of their stats obviously). What you wouldn't be able to do is banishing a ? ATK monster and then choose a 0 ATK monster as the next card, treating them as if they had the same ATK; that is an illegal play.

The reason I asked this was because there was a ruling I found where effects aren't allowed to try and compare question mark stats with other question mark stats to see if they're the same or different. https://db.ygorganization.com/qa#22950

It is a case-by-case scenario, so it really depends on the card as they might be ruled differently; in this case, Small World has been ruled to treat ? ATK/DEF as the same value for the purposes of its effect.

If you want my theory as to why this is the case, I'd say that's because Gizmek Uka checks for the numerical value, meanwhile, Small World only cares if the literal printed characters are the same. In programming terms, Gizmek Uka checks for interger values, whereas Small World checks for string values.

Posted: **Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:08 pm**

Was gonna so no you cannot use ??? for stat comparisons

Posted: **Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:23 pm**

Jon-Stark wrote:Was gonna so no you cannot use ??? for stat comparisons

Not even for Small World?

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 2:19 pm**

No. Youd have to find a ruling stating you CAN to be honest

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:11 pm**

Jon-Stark wrote:No. Youd have to find a ruling stating you CAN to be honest

https://db.ygorganization.com/card#17440

Here's a similar ruling that says how, when checking to see if one monster's original ATK is equal to another monster's, you're allowed to take question mark stats into consideration.

If you Tribute a monster with "?" ATK, you can Special Summon a monster with "?" ATK. The same is true for DEF.

Posted: **Fri Jan 19, 2024 5:46 am**

You can in that case ONLY because its on the field where its stat is verifiable (has a number or is otherwise always counted as 0) . In cases where its in a private location (hand/deck) its always considered unverifiable. So for instance you cannot choose a ??? monster for Aqua Dolphins effect.

Posted: **Fri Jan 19, 2024 4:28 pm**

Jon-Stark wrote:You can in that case ONLY because its on the field where its stat is verifiable (has a number or is otherwise always counted as 0) . In cases where its in a private location (hand/deck) its always considered unverifiable. So for instance you cannot choose a ??? monster for Aqua Dolphins effect.

Take a closer look at Nightmell the Dark Bonder's effect. Nightmell doesn't check the numerical ATK and DEF values. It checks the original ones. So even if a monster with question mark ATK and DEF is put on the field so it then has its on-field ATK and DEF set to 0 or something, its original ATK and DEF will still be question marks.

That ruling regarding Neo-Spacian Aqua Dolphin doesn't apply here to Small World or Nightmell. This is because Dolphin only checks and compares numerical values, and question mark monsters like you said have their ATK set to 0, or some other numerical value, while on the field, but remain question marks in the hand. Dolphin's ATK is 600, and such numerical values are never equal to, less than, or greater than, question marks.

Cards such as Small World and Nightmell on the other hand are capable of checking both numerical and non-numerical values, such as 0 ATK, 600 ATK, and question mark ATK; and one monster's question mark ATK can still be considered the same ATK as another monster's question mark ATK.

In other words, question mark ATK is only unverifiable when checking to see if it's less than or greater than another ATK value, but when checking to see if it's equal to another ATK value, they can be compared like normal.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:27 pm**

Id just ask your head judge at events. Any Ive taken part in dont allow ??? to add another ??? . Someone tried it to get Slifer to hand

Posted: **Fri Feb 09, 2024 5:21 am**

Oh I completely forgot about this Small World ruling debate. Good times...

Posted: **Fri Feb 09, 2024 4:49 pm**

MarshieDemon wrote:Oh I completely forgot about this Small World ruling debate. Good times...

Does that mean Small World can in fact banish Tyranno Infinity with Arcana Triumph Joker?

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Can Small World banish cards with question mark ATK / DEF, such as banishing Tyranno Infinity with Arcana Triumph Joker?

Can Small World banish cards with question mark ATK / DEF, such as banishing Tyranno Infinity with Arcana Triumph Joker?

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