Why do even our head judges not know this Triple Tactics Talent ruling? Also, what ruling here will Duelingbook follow?
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:00 am
https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=53871695
[11:25] Starlight Glimmer: "Hi everypony!"
[11:31] "hello"
[11:39] "ill explain the situation"
[12:24] "I activated talents, in respone ray was activated, ihe summoned kagari and tried to activate her but i belive it would miss timing"
[13:00] ""if" can miss timing"
[13:10] ""when" cant miss timing"
[13:26] "thats ygo 101"
[13:46] "or maybe its the other way"
[13:47] "would the effect to add engage resolve since i control the monster when chain one would be able to activate"
[13:57] Starlight Glimmer: "It's the other way, but nonetheless "When" vs "If" isn't relevant here."
[14:30] Starlight Glimmer: "So you've both actually stumbled upon the biggest ruling debate of 2022."
[15:10] "is it the natasha vs chenying ruling debate"
[15:19] Starlight Glimmer: "Before I give my answer, I need to give my disclaimer - this is still sort of an ongoing debate so blah blah ask your head judge blah blah"
[15:35] Starlight Glimmer: "And yes it's related to Natasha v Chengying"
[15:48] "im gonna assume you dont choose the mode for TTT until resolution"
[15:56] Starlight Glimmer: "But the current consensus is that the player who did successfully Special Summon the Kagari will be able to activate its effect even if it was taken control of before its effect would activate."
This head judge may have ruled this incorrectly, as this page https://db.ygorganization.com/qa#23349 seems to have established that a monster must be in a player's possession, at that time its trigger effect gets to activate, in order for said player to activate said trigger effect.
In other words, you can't attempt to activate effects of cards currently in your opponent's possession unless some card or effect says they can be activated that way, even if the card(s) in question was in your own possession for a brief moment before switching to that opponent's possession.
Regardless, since even a head judge wasn't sure of this ruling and instead could only tell these players what the current "consensus" was, this may be another one of those that'll have to be officially clarified in the DB Head Judge Q&A.
[11:25] Starlight Glimmer: "Hi everypony!"
[11:31] "hello"
[11:39] "ill explain the situation"
[12:24] "I activated talents, in respone ray was activated, ihe summoned kagari and tried to activate her but i belive it would miss timing"
[13:00] ""if" can miss timing"
[13:10] ""when" cant miss timing"
[13:26] "thats ygo 101"
[13:46] "or maybe its the other way"
[13:47] "would the effect to add engage resolve since i control the monster when chain one would be able to activate"
[13:57] Starlight Glimmer: "It's the other way, but nonetheless "When" vs "If" isn't relevant here."
[14:30] Starlight Glimmer: "So you've both actually stumbled upon the biggest ruling debate of 2022."
[15:10] "is it the natasha vs chenying ruling debate"
[15:19] Starlight Glimmer: "Before I give my answer, I need to give my disclaimer - this is still sort of an ongoing debate so blah blah ask your head judge blah blah"
[15:35] Starlight Glimmer: "And yes it's related to Natasha v Chengying"
[15:48] "im gonna assume you dont choose the mode for TTT until resolution"
[15:56] Starlight Glimmer: "But the current consensus is that the player who did successfully Special Summon the Kagari will be able to activate its effect even if it was taken control of before its effect would activate."
This head judge may have ruled this incorrectly, as this page https://db.ygorganization.com/qa#23349 seems to have established that a monster must be in a player's possession, at that time its trigger effect gets to activate, in order for said player to activate said trigger effect.
In other words, you can't attempt to activate effects of cards currently in your opponent's possession unless some card or effect says they can be activated that way, even if the card(s) in question was in your own possession for a brief moment before switching to that opponent's possession.
Regardless, since even a head judge wasn't sure of this ruling and instead could only tell these players what the current "consensus" was, this may be another one of those that'll have to be officially clarified in the DB Head Judge Q&A.