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Post #21 by Sound4 » Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:33 am

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Genexwrecker wrote:We dont always need solid evidence of x behavior if a player keeps walking a line we can make that kudgement call to issue a penalty.

What do you mean by walking a line? Also yes it is important to have evidence or else it seems like you are giving punishments just for the fun of it.

A lot of cases will not have 100% evidence. That is when our opinions and evaluations are what are used to determine if penalties are needed for x behavior

That is why it is important to take into consideration what the other player is saying. Your opinions and evaluations are more likely to be from a one sided view not seeing it from the point of view of the player in that position. For example, you are not communicating with your opponent because the opponent is being aggressive. A judge comes in the judge gives the player who is not communicating a warning. The judges says "you are getting a warning for not communicating in the duel." I see this as the judge seeing this from a one sided view. Do you really want to talk with a person who is being aggressive? It is uncomfortable and difficult to play the game like that.

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Post #22 by Sound4 » Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:38 am

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Genexwrecker wrote:We dont always need solid evidence of x behavior if a player keeps walking a line we can make that kudgement call to issue a penalty.

What do you mean by walking a line? Also yes it is important to have evidence or else it seems like you are giving punishments just for the fun of it.

The evidence IS that the player is acting suspicious, such as only communicating certain actions as if they intend to shark.

If the player is acting suspicious then you can simply ask them questions to show their guilt. Like trying to get them to say something that only he would know in his position.

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Post #23 by greg503 » Fri Sep 03, 2021 12:46 pm

Sound4 wrote:
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Sound4 wrote:What do you mean by walking a line? Also yes it is important to have evidence or else it seems like you are giving punishments just for the fun of it.

The evidence IS that the player is acting suspicious, such as only communicating certain actions as if they intend to shark.

If the player is acting suspicious then you can simply ask them questions to show their guilt. Like trying to get them to say something that only he would know in his position.

I feel like most of time, you don't even need the questions.
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Post #24 by Renji Asuka » Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:27 pm

greg503 wrote:
Sound4 wrote:
greg503 wrote:The evidence IS that the player is acting suspicious, such as only communicating certain actions as if they intend to shark.

If the player is acting suspicious then you can simply ask them questions to show their guilt. Like trying to get them to say something that only he would know in his position.

I feel like most of time, you don't even need the questions.

Not only that, but we do know they will stall games needlessly with irrelevant questions for upwards of an hour when they're about to lose a game.
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Post #25 by Genexwrecker » Fri Sep 03, 2021 4:06 pm

Sound4 wrote:
Genexwrecker wrote:
Sound4 wrote:What do you mean by walking a line? Also yes it is important to have evidence or else it seems like you are giving punishments just for the fun of it.

A lot of cases will not have 100% evidence. That is when our opinions and evaluations are what are used to determine if penalties are needed for x behavior

That is why it is important to take into consideration what the other player is saying. Your opinions and evaluations are more likely to be from a one sided view not seeing it from the point of view of the player in that position. For example, you are not communicating with your opponent because the opponent is being aggressive. A judge comes in the judge gives the player who is not communicating a warning. The judges says "you are getting a warning for not communicating in the duel." I see this as the judge seeing this from a one sided view. Do you really want to talk with a person who is being aggressive? It is uncomfortable and difficult to play the game like that.

This example is nonsense a player being aggressive or rude is no way any kind of good reason to not communicate. If slight unpleasantries keep a player from playing then they shouldnt be in ranked in the first place. If the player knows how to communicate and flat out refuses to do so for any reason i assure you penalties will not be limited to uc minor.
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Post #26 by troglyte » Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:09 pm

I find it difficult to comment on this issue, as much of the important information is need-to-know. I can say that you definitely did the right thing in making a ban appeal request. I hope you get answers, though I highly doubt this thread will provide them for you.
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Post #27 by Genexwrecker » Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:13 pm

troglyte wrote:I find it difficult to comment on this issue, as much of the important information is need-to-know. I can say that you definitely did the right thing in making a ban appeal request. I hope you get answers, though I highly doubt this thread will provide them for you.

Iv already given them all the info and processed the appeal request
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Post #28 by Sound4 » Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:57 pm

Renji Asuka wrote:
greg503 wrote:
Sound4 wrote:If the player is acting suspicious then you can simply ask them questions to show their guilt. Like trying to get them to say something that only he would know in his position.

I feel like most of time, you don't even need the questions.

Not only that, but we do know they will stall games needlessly with irrelevant questions for upwards of an hour when they're about to lose a game.

That depends on the situation.

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Post #29 by greg503 » Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:22 pm

Sound4 wrote:
Renji Asuka wrote:
greg503 wrote:I feel like most of time, you don't even need the questions.

Not only that, but we do know they will stall games needlessly with irrelevant questions for upwards of an hour when they're about to lose a game.

That depends on the situation.

But one type is VERY common
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Post #30 by Genexwrecker » Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:56 pm

Sound4 wrote:
Renji Asuka wrote:
greg503 wrote:I feel like most of time, you don't even need the questions.

Not only that, but we do know they will stall games needlessly with irrelevant questions for upwards of an hour when they're about to lose a game.

That depends on the situation.

You pulled the exact thing in your duel got penalized and made a thread complaining and refusing to admit you did anything wrong.
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Post #31 by Christen57 » Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:22 am

Genexwrecker wrote:
Sound4 wrote:
Renji Asuka wrote:Not only that, but we do know they will stall games needlessly with irrelevant questions for upwards of an hour when they're about to lose a game.

That depends on the situation.

You pulled the exact thing in your duel got penalized and made a thread complaining and refusing to admit you did anything wrong.


troglyte wrote:I find it difficult to comment on this issue, as much of the important information is need-to-know. I can say that you definitely did the right thing in making a ban appeal request. I hope you get answers, though I highly doubt this thread will provide them for you.


Renji Asuka wrote:Not only that, but we do know they will stall games needlessly with irrelevant questions for upwards of an hour when they're about to lose a game.


Sound4 wrote:
Renji Asuka wrote:Not only that, but we do know they will stall games needlessly with irrelevant questions for upwards of an hour when they're about to lose a game.

That depends on the situation.


greg503 wrote:
Sound4 wrote:
Renji Asuka wrote:Not only that, but we do know they will stall games needlessly with irrelevant questions for upwards of an hour when they're about to lose a game.

That depends on the situation.

But one type is VERY common


Don't know if this was the exact reason for this "TheRoyalAu" guy's ban but, according to ygoscope, over half of his last 20 replays just consisted of him quitting the duel on turn 1, so his ban was likely due to boosting, and no, none of the opponents in any of these games were playing FTK strategies so I don't see any valid reason why he would do this.

1 https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=31456431
2 https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=31455970
3 https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=31374240
4 https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=31455990
5 https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=31374295
6 https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=31373958
7 https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=31373853
8 https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=31373864
9 https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=31374310
10 https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=31373897
11 https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=31373757
12 https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=31374628

There's also this replay of his that I stumbled across while looking through ygoscope https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=31374675 in which his opponent attempts to activate a field spell while Field Barrier is actively preventing field spell activations, but instead of taking back the illegal activation, said opponent decides to hold up the game for the next 20 minutes for no reason before admitting defeat and attempting to move on to game 2 like nothing happened, and then TheRoyalAu responds by holding up the game for 20 minutes himself in order to get back at the opponent (I guess?) for doing the same thing, meaning both players held up the game for a total of at least 40 minutes and should probably both be punished for maliciously stalling like that in my opinion.

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Post #32 by Genexwrecker » Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:30 am

Christen57 wrote:
Genexwrecker wrote:
Sound4 wrote:That depends on the situation.

You pulled the exact thing in your duel got penalized and made a thread complaining and refusing to admit you did anything wrong.


troglyte wrote:I find it difficult to comment on this issue, as much of the important information is need-to-know. I can say that you definitely did the right thing in making a ban appeal request. I hope you get answers, though I highly doubt this thread will provide them for you.


Renji Asuka wrote:Not only that, but we do know they will stall games needlessly with irrelevant questions for upwards of an hour when they're about to lose a game.


Sound4 wrote:
Renji Asuka wrote:Not only that, but we do know they will stall games needlessly with irrelevant questions for upwards of an hour when they're about to lose a game.

That depends on the situation.


greg503 wrote:
Sound4 wrote:That depends on the situation.

But one type is VERY common


Don't know if this was the exact reason for this "TheRoyalAu" guy's ban but, according to ygoscope, over half of his last 20 replays just consisted of him quitting the duel on turn 1, so his ban was likely due to boosting, and no, none of the opponents in any of these games were playing FTK strategies so I don't see any valid reason why he would do this.

1 https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=31456431
2 https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=31455970
3 https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=31374240
4 https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=31455990
5 https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=31374295
6 https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=31373958
7 https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=31373853
8 https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=31373864
9 https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=31374310
10 https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=31373897
11 https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=31373757
12 https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=31374628

There's also this replay of his that I stumbled across while looking through ygoscope https://www.duelingbook.com/log?id=31374675 in which his opponent attempts to activate a field spell while Field Barrier is actively preventing field spell activations, but instead of taking back the illegal activation, said opponent decides to hold up the game for the next 20 minutes for no reason before admitting defeat and attempting to move on to game 2 like nothing happened, and then TheRoyalAu responds by holding up the game for 20 minutes himself in order to get back at the opponent (I guess?) for doing the same thing, meaning both players held up the game for a total of at least 40 minutes and should probably both be punished for maliciously stalling like that in my opinion.

Actually the evaluation of that one duel is incorrect. they did indeed activate a second area 0 under field barrier illegally but the player also had silent wobby on the field making their hand size limit 3 which is why they went to activate the area 0 in the first place. once told they could not activate the area 0 they simply said they would discard it for hand size limit ending their turn. royal refused to accept this which is nonsense. It affected the gamestate in no way and puts area 0 in the gy and keeps one on the field. so the only player who stalled maliciously is royal. Those other duels are interesting and we will be investigating them.

[0:00] SuperNewton (789/1520) joined pool (English, TCG, Single) in Advanced (Rated)
[0:27] TheRoyalAu (151/12) automatically paired via pool
[0:30] Admitted defeat
[0:34] Left duel
[0:39] Left duel

^consistantly doing this is not going to be acceptable TheRoyalAU and if this behavior continues you will be removed from rated.
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Post #33 by Renji Asuka » Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:04 am

Sound4 wrote:
Renji Asuka wrote:
greg503 wrote:I feel like most of time, you don't even need the questions.

Not only that, but we do know they will stall games needlessly with irrelevant questions for upwards of an hour when they're about to lose a game.

That depends on the situation.

No, that doesn't depend on the situation. When a judge gives a ruling, you accept that ruling. The only time you wouldn't, is if you know the ruling is wrong and you provide a source on why. Otherwise, you accept the ruling and move on. Imo, you'd be banned from rated if you pulled that shit constantly.
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Post #34 by Genexwrecker » Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:27 am

Renji Asuka wrote:
Sound4 wrote:
Renji Asuka wrote:Not only that, but we do know they will stall games needlessly with irrelevant questions for upwards of an hour when they're about to lose a game.

That depends on the situation.

No, that doesn't depend on the situation. When a judge gives a ruling, you accept that ruling. The only time you wouldn't, is if you know the ruling is wrong and you provide a source on why. Otherwise, you accept the ruling and move on. Imo, you'd be banned from rated if you pulled that shit constantly.

they can also request an appeal instead of applying once that appeal is granted you follow the appealed judges ruling wether it upholds or changes the ruling given. or if the appeal is denied you either accept the ruling and continue or get a gameloss.
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Post #35 by Sound4 » Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:03 pm

Renji Asuka wrote:
Sound4 wrote:
Renji Asuka wrote:Not only that, but we do know they will stall games needlessly with irrelevant questions for upwards of an hour when they're about to lose a game.

That depends on the situation.

No, that doesn't depend on the situation. When a judge gives a ruling, you accept that ruling. The only time you wouldn't, is if you know the ruling is wrong and you provide a source on why. Otherwise, you accept the ruling and move on. Imo, you'd be banned from rated if you pulled that shit constantly.

I provided proof in the other thread. When a ruling is given and you see flaws you question it which is what I did.

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Post #36 by Sound4 » Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:09 pm

Genexwrecker wrote:
Renji Asuka wrote:
Sound4 wrote:That depends on the situation.

No, that doesn't depend on the situation. When a judge gives a ruling, you accept that ruling. The only time you wouldn't, is if you know the ruling is wrong and you provide a source on why. Otherwise, you accept the ruling and move on. Imo, you'd be banned from rated if you pulled that shit constantly.

they can also request an appeal instead of applying once that appeal is granted you follow the appealed judges ruling wether it upholds or changes the ruling given. or if the appeal is denied you either accept the ruling and continue or get a gameloss.

What N3sh was saying had flaws which I was questioning. I literally replied to your posts Genexwrecker and provided sources yet you kept denying.

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Post #37 by Sound4 » Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:11 pm

Genexwrecker wrote:
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Genexwrecker wrote:A lot of cases will not have 100% evidence. That is when our opinions and evaluations are what are used to determine if penalties are needed for x behavior

That is why it is important to take into consideration what the other player is saying. Your opinions and evaluations are more likely to be from a one sided view not seeing it from the point of view of the player in that position. For example, you are not communicating with your opponent because the opponent is being aggressive. A judge comes in the judge gives the player who is not communicating a warning. The judges says "you are getting a warning for not communicating in the duel." I see this as the judge seeing this from a one sided view. Do you really want to talk with a person who is being aggressive? It is uncomfortable and difficult to play the game like that.

This example is nonsense a player being aggressive or rude is no way any kind of good reason to not communicate. If slight unpleasantries keep a player from playing then they shouldnt be in ranked in the first place. If the player knows how to communicate and flat out refuses to do so for any reason i assure you penalties will not be limited to uc minor.

Your missing the point. The point is that the judges must see it from both of the players view. Also would you really like to talk to a player who is being aggressive? It is difficult to concentrate and play which can result in many mistakes in the duel.

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Post #38 by Renji Asuka » Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:50 pm

Sound4 wrote:
Renji Asuka wrote:
Sound4 wrote:That depends on the situation.

No, that doesn't depend on the situation. When a judge gives a ruling, you accept that ruling. The only time you wouldn't, is if you know the ruling is wrong and you provide a source on why. Otherwise, you accept the ruling and move on. Imo, you'd be banned from rated if you pulled that shit constantly.

I provided proof in the other thread. When a ruling is given and you see flaws you question it which is what I did.

The only flaw that N3sh had, was they were far too lenient with you. The moment you pulled the shit that you did, if I was a judge, you'd be perma frozen.
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Post #39 by Genexwrecker » Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:45 pm

Sound4 wrote:
Genexwrecker wrote:
Sound4 wrote:That is why it is important to take into consideration what the other player is saying. Your opinions and evaluations are more likely to be from a one sided view not seeing it from the point of view of the player in that position. For example, you are not communicating with your opponent because the opponent is being aggressive. A judge comes in the judge gives the player who is not communicating a warning. The judges says "you are getting a warning for not communicating in the duel." I see this as the judge seeing this from a one sided view. Do you really want to talk with a person who is being aggressive? It is uncomfortable and difficult to play the game like that.

This example is nonsense a player being aggressive or rude is no way any kind of good reason to not communicate. If slight unpleasantries keep a player from playing then they shouldnt be in ranked in the first place. If the player knows how to communicate and flat out refuses to do so for any reason i assure you penalties will not be limited to uc minor.

Your missing the point. The point is that the judges must see it from both of the players view. Also would you really like to talk to a player who is being aggressive? It is difficult to concentrate and play which can result in many mistakes in the duel.
yes i would communicate in a game no matter how my opp was acting. Like I said before if a minor inconvenience prevents you from communicating then avoid ranked. We look at every situation from each perspective but when a player starts to talk nonsense and just repeat irrelevant trolly questions the obvious behavior is penalized.
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Post #40 by Sound4 » Tue Sep 07, 2021 3:37 pm

Genexwrecker wrote:
Sound4 wrote:
Genexwrecker wrote:This example is nonsense a player being aggressive or rude is no way any kind of good reason to not communicate. If slight unpleasantries keep a player from playing then they shouldnt be in ranked in the first place. If the player knows how to communicate and flat out refuses to do so for any reason i assure you penalties will not be limited to uc minor.

Your missing the point. The point is that the judges must see it from both of the players view. Also would you really like to talk to a player who is being aggressive? It is difficult to concentrate and play which can result in many mistakes in the duel.
yes i would communicate in a game no matter how my opp was acting. Like I said before if a minor inconvenience prevents you from communicating then avoid ranked. We look at every situation from each perspective but when a player starts to talk nonsense and just repeat irrelevant trolly questions the obvious behavior is penalized.

Have you ever been in that situation before? You say you would still communicate but you have never experienced before.


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