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Judges that don't know site rules shouldn't be judging.

Post #1 by Crimson7Reaper » Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:03 am

I was unjustly frozened by Resource Judge #3755 on the basis that I was in violation of "severe harassment" even though said "severe harassment" took place in PRIVATE chat. And the rules of this site specifically list "severe harassment" as a violation in duels not outside of them.

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Post #2 by Genexwrecker » Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:14 am

So you say we shouldn’t freeze people for harassment so long as it’s not in a game chat?

Not happening
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Post #3 by CrawTheShrimp » Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:19 am

What were you even harrasing about, though ? Was it something serious ?
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Post #4 by Crimson7Reaper » Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:33 pm

Genexwrecker wrote:So you say we shouldn’t freeze people for harassment so long as it’s not in a game chat?

Not happening


Yes you shouldn't freeze people for harassment in private chat because the block option exists for a reason. Judges can't just make up rules because they feel like it, the freezing for "severe harassment" is listed as punishment in duels not outside of them.

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Post #5 by Crimson7Reaper » Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:51 pm

CrawTheShrimp wrote:What were you even harrasing about, though ? Was it something serious ?


Yeah I messaged a scrub that claimed Allure of Darkness can be activated even when the user can't banish cards before said activation and I sent him rulings on it. He proceeded to call me "illiterate" (w/ other insults ofc) and claimed that Allure of Darkness vs Imperial Iron Wall doesn't apply to Allure of Darkness vs Lancea even when they are literally the same conditions.
It's important to note that even if it was justifiable to freeze someone for severe harassment outside of duels, under the rules it states the condition "Telling another member you want them to die, without being provoked." And I was provoked since the scrub was the one that said stupid crap first.

I already made an abuse report and freeze appeal with SCREENSHOTS as evidence, if that actually illiterate judge doesn't get revoked, there is literally no form of legitimacy left for this site.

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Post #6 by Genexwrecker » Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:22 pm

Crimson7Reaper wrote:
Genexwrecker wrote:So you say we shouldn’t freeze people for harassment so long as it’s not in a game chat?

Not happening


Yes you shouldn't freeze people for harassment in private chat because the block option exists for a reason. Judges can't just make up rules because they feel like it, the freezing for "severe harassment" is listed as punishment in duels not outside of them.

Just because we have a block feature doesn’t exempt suicide requests and legit threats. We are more lax on harassment because of the block feature but it is 100% punishable if we deem necessary to apply site rules.
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Post #7 by Crimson7Reaper » Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:35 pm

Genexwrecker wrote:
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Genexwrecker wrote:So you say we shouldn’t freeze people for harassment so long as it’s not in a game chat?

Not happening


Yes you shouldn't freeze people for harassment in private chat because the block option exists for a reason. Judges can't just make up rules because they feel like it, the freezing for "severe harassment" is listed as punishment in duels not outside of them.

Just because we have a block feature doesn’t exempt suicide requests and legit threats. We are more lax on harassment because of the block feature but it is 100% punishable if we deem necessary to apply site rules.


Just because they deemed necessary to apply to site rules that doesn't mean it does apply to site rules. Nowhere in site rules states that players can't send harassment through private messages. Judges can't just make up rules just because in their own opinion those rules should exist when in reality it doesn't.

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Post #8 by Genexwrecker » Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:32 pm

And no where is there a law that states I cannot cook a person alive in a sauna but that doesn’t mean it’s okay for me to do it. your logic is the kind criminals use
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Post #9 by Renji Asuka » Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:54 pm

I'd just imagine, considering that there is rules regarding PM's and Public Chat

Objectionable material (Major) Linking to adult material or other inappropriate content in a public chat, or in private message to a user not expecting it:
- Linking to a screamer.
- Linking to adult content.
- Posting spoilers for new movies for the sole intention of ruining it for others.

^Example
I would expect even rules that apply in "games" would even apply in PM's out of games. I would also assume these are just some examples of how that rule would be enforced. So there could be more to it than what is actually listed.
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Post #10 by BrainStone » Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:39 pm

Also keep in mind that judges have some freedom in when to apply punishments. Even if not explicitly stated.

So for example if there was no rule that said it was not allowed to post porn on public posts and you did anyways you still could be punished simply because a judge deemed it appropriate. Rules are not laws. There's always freedom. And applying a rule in a space where it is not explicitly made for is fair. Especially if you're being an asshole.That's a huge difference from being arbitrary or bullying.

In any case I'd like to vote to double the time of the freeze for being an ass.

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Post #11 by Genexwrecker » Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:55 pm

We actually shortened some penalties over the years
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Post #12 by Crimson7Reaper » Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:40 pm

BrainStone wrote:Also keep in mind that judges have some freedom in when to apply punishments. Even if not explicitly stated.

So for example if there was no rule that said it was not allowed to post porn on public posts and you did anyways you still could be punished simply because a judge deemed it appropriate. Rules are not laws. There's always freedom. And applying a rule in a space where it is not explicitly made for is fair. Especially if you're being an asshole.That's a huge difference from being arbitrary or bullying.

In any case I'd like to vote to double the time of the freeze for being an ass.


Judges have freedom to apply punishments but that doesn't mean they can bend the rules or make up rules on their own. You're calling me the asshole as if the idiot that made a false ruling and insulted me in the first place isn't the one at fault. In any case I'd like people like you to get frozen too just so that you know how it feels to be punished for breaking a rule that isn't even a rule.

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Post #13 by Crimson7Reaper » Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:42 pm

Genexwrecker wrote:And no where is there a law that states I cannot cook a person alive in a sauna but that doesn’t mean it’s okay for me to do it. your logic is the kind criminals use

Something being okay or not is an OPINION. In terms of facts, yes you can cook a person alive in a sauna. By your logic and the logic of the imbecile judge, everyone can make up their own shit and punish everyone that breaks said shit that you made up.

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Post #14 by Genexwrecker » Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:08 am

Crimson7Reaper wrote:
Genexwrecker wrote:And no where is there a law that states I cannot cook a person alive in a sauna but that doesn’t mean it’s okay for me to do it. your logic is the kind criminals use

Something being okay or not is an OPINION. In terms of facts, yes you can cook a person alive in a sauna. By your logic and the logic of the imbecile judge, everyone can make up their own shit and punish everyone that breaks said shit that you made up.


rules posted are merely examples of what we may or may not want to enforce and it is up to our "OPINION" of wether or not said penalty should be applied. Being able to use that kind of judgment maturely is why we are judges. We dont just ban every person who calls somebody a noob or tells them to kys and we arent going to let everything slide everytime. We give users a block feature hoping that helps them resolve some issues without the need for a judge. the purpose of freezing users who perform acts such as harassment and threats is to stop them from continuing to do it. blocking a person lets them go about and keep doing it to other people.

You are not in any kind of position to say what can and cannot be penalized. if its not something you would say at a macdonalds it is probably something you should keep to yourself. Apply commons sense to your behavior being online is no different than irl and you are expected to act with atleast some form of decency if you want to keep using this site.
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Post #15 by Crimson7Reaper » Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:19 am

Genexwrecker wrote:rules posted are merely examples of what we may or may not want to enforce and it is up to our "OPINION" of wether or not said penalty should be applied. Being able to use that kind of judgment maturely is why we are judges. We dont just ban every person who calls somebody a noob or tells them to kys and we arent going to let everything slide everytime. We give users a block feature hoping that helps them resolve some issues without the need for a judge. the purpose of freezing users who perform acts such as harassment and threats is to stop them from continuing to do it. blocking a person lets them go about and keep doing it to other people.

You are not in any kind of position to say what can and cannot be penalized. if its not something you would say at a macdonalds it is probably something you should keep to yourself. Apply commons sense to your behavior being online is no different than irl and you are expected to act with atleast some form of decency if you want to keep using this site.


Telling someone to "kys" isn't a threat, those on the receiving end of "kys" are doing it to themselves not the person typing "kys". Since you're telling me that judges can act and carry out punishment solely based on their opinions regardless of facts, then what's the point of having someone with authority if they can't even segregate their own beliefs from reality. You're telling me to apply common sense and act with at least some form of decency, and yet the imbecile that started the whole argument and aggression gets away with it all? Really? This kind of bs only goes to show how incapable judges like you are that can't even understand that just because you have authority, that doesn't make all of your decisions factually accurate.

also judging from the fact that I still haven't gotten a response from neither the freeze appeal or abuse report, I can only assume someone completely ignored the reports even with the screenshots provided :|

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Post #16 by Renji Asuka » Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:43 am

You do realize, you can get into legal trouble for telling someone to kill themselves right? Especially IF THEY DO DO IT. There is 0 excuse to EVER tell anyone to kill themselves.
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Post #17 by Genexwrecker » Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:52 am

Renji Asuka wrote:You do realize, you can get into legal trouble for telling someone to kill themselves right? Especially IF THEY DO DO IT. There is 0 excuse to EVER tell anyone to kill themselves.

basically this.

let me make this clear i would 100% call the cops if i knew the people who made these threats. even on social media such threats are not taken lightly and people get arrested for making facebook posts that jokingly say they will kill X person at X time on X date. a few years ago some morn was stupid enough to say they would shoot up a ycs on this site. and that had legal repercussions for them.
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Post #18 by Renji Asuka » Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:14 am

Genexwrecker wrote:
Renji Asuka wrote:You do realize, you can get into legal trouble for telling someone to kill themselves right? Especially IF THEY DO DO IT. There is 0 excuse to EVER tell anyone to kill themselves.

basically this.

let me make this clear i would 100% call the cops if i knew the people who made these threats. even on social media such threats are not taken lightly and people get arrested for making facebook posts that jokingly say they will kill X person at X time on X date. a few years ago some morn was stupid enough to say they would shoot up a ycs on this site. and that had legal repercussions for them.

That reminds me from some years ago, a couple of people posted a picture on Facebook with a bunch of guns and ammo, stating that they were ready for a major pokemon event.

Well, Nintendo found out, so there was police, the 2 people got arrested when they arrived, and the police found a TON of ammo in the trunk of the cars as well as the guns.
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Post #19 by Runzy » Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:15 am

Harassment rules apply everywhere on the site. This should be rather obvious. Nowhere in the rules does it specify "only in duels". Also just because there is a block feature doesn't mean you can break our rules and think you magically get away with it. Think twice next time before doing something stupid.
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Post #20 by Crimson7Reaper » Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:17 pm

Renji Asuka wrote:You do realize, you can get into legal trouble for telling someone to kill themselves right? Especially IF THEY DO DO IT. There is 0 excuse to EVER tell anyone to kill themselves.

No you can't, even if cops come knocking on your door. They can't charge you for anything, you didn't kill the person, they killed themselves. It's their brain. Not my problem.


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