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I have a feeling the last 4 digits of each judge's profile number on their forum profile is their resource judge number

Post #1 by Christen57 » Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:33 pm

At first I thought all judges' judge numbers were private, so if you saw "Resource Judge" followed by 4 random numbers, you had no way of tracing those 4 numbers to the user, but now I think I figured out a way.

So we know that DistantCoder's judge number is 1245 because he streams himself judging on twitch/youtube, but when you go to DistantCoder's forum profile: https://forum.duelingbook.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=41245

You can see that his profile number is 41245.

Notice how the last 4 digits is 1245, which are the same 4 digits of his judge number.

At first I thought this was just a coincidence, until I took a look at the URL for Genexwrecker's profile.

https://forum.duelingbook.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=3354

I know for a fact that Genexwrecker's resource judge number is 3354, so seeing that same number come up when I went to view Genexwrecker's profile, along with knowing that DistantCoder's resource judge number is 1245, made me realize that maybe the last 4 digits of each judge's forum profile number is their resource judge number.

This is great for identifying judges on duelingbook.

I decided to get 3 more resource judges' numbers and compare each of them to the last 4 digits of their respective forum profile numbers just to be really sure that all judge's judge numbers were related to their forum profile numbers.

I went onto duelingbook and noticed that only 1 judge was online at the time: Resource Judge 5850.

I compared the number 5850 to every forum profile number of all the currently existing judges, and only 1 judge had a forum profile number whose last 4 digits matched 5850: A user I've never heard of who goes by the username Sahqovum.
https://forum.duelingbook.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=65850

I went to this user's profile to watch for any suspicious activity, and sure enough, less than a minute after that user logging out, resource judge 5850 popped up.

https://imgur.com/r21hGvR
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I also went to the profiles of resource judges 0217 and 0260 who each identified themselves as Cameron Saunders and Kitty Trouble respectively, then compared each of their judge numbers with their respective forum profile numbers.

https://imgur.com/SF6P9gd
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https://imgur.com/b0BHr15
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Once again, Kitty Trouble's judge number, 0260, matched the last 4 digits of 430260, his forum profile number https://forum.duelingbook.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=430260, while the last 3 digits of Cameron Saunders's judge number, 217, matched his forum profile number. https://forum.duelingbook.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217

So I'm guessing if a judge's forum profile number has 3 digits instead of at least 4, their judge number will be their forum profile number but with a 0 added to it, meaning 217 will become 0217, and so on.

If these 5 judges having judge numbers that match, or at least closely match, their forum profile numbers isn't enough evidence that judge numbers are tied to forum profile numbers, I don't know what else is.

So if it's true that every resource judge's judge number is tied to their respective forum profile numbers, then all current resource judges and their numbers should be as follows, in the format of

username // =forum profile number // #what their resource judge number should be

with the names being in alphabetical order:

! ! ! ! // =165175 // #5175
!!!Gilgamesh // =375571 // #5571
$waggot // =111 // #0111
_Lantern // =811677 // #1677
aahil98 // =2346 // #2346
Agent-007 // =2113 // #2113
Alessio Giordani // =47634 // #7634
Ants In The Pants // =462584 // #2584
Appeal Bot // =386809 // #6809
Asmodesu // =84225 // #4225
Cameron Saunders // =217 // #0217
crasher93 // =52513 // #2513
Demon Reaper // =3755 // #3755
Disguised Loli // =263993 // #3993
DistantCoder // =41245 // #1245
Duelingbook Moderator // =421019 // #1019
EvanBurlaga // =11253 // #1253
Fragile // =438701 // #8701
Georgiy Kachurin // =260343 // #0343
GrandmistressD // =12189 // #2189
Green Lantern // =385327 // #5327
Gyanma // =14649 // #4649
HawkSix // =10534 // #0534
headsortails // =52251 // #2251
Hey Dude // =509125 // #9125
Jacobnmber1 // =57656 // #7656
Jarifalt // =665591 // #5591
JebusMcAzn // =58582 // #8582
Kancollewuzhere // =23787 // #3787
Kay Nikkai // =343023 // #3023
kingworld // =5221 // #5221
Kitty Trouble // =430260 // #0260
komilatte // =4774 // #4774
KuribohHunter // =27830 // #7830
LightPhenix // =21865 // #1865
Loop // =1084 // #1084
Lukelele // =5068 // #5068
MadRest // =9929 // #9929
Main Menu Moderator // =726795 // #6795
Maniez // =278465 // #8465
McKnaehrich // =2131 // #2131
Mega // =465 // #0465
N3sh // =5081 // #5081
Ny3 // =496 // #0496
Pax // =32650 // #2650
Pingu // =680 // #0680
Pululungoso // =150336 // #0336
qtpey // =650073 // #0073
Rafa Santos // =1663 // #1663
Reegar // =118505 // #8505
Regiruler // =5835 // #5835
Retribution // =126969 // #6969
Rusty // =13876 // #3876
S.Jenkins // =20844 // #0844
Sahqovum // =65850 // #5850
SamBr // =1345 // #1345
ShootingBLS // =1504 // #1504
Sries Mslaiks // =1694 // #1694
superamaro // =151616 // #1616
theamatuer // =823 // #0823
TheNMan75 // =504405 // #4405
thetys // =4304 // #4304
Toast // =4112 // #4112
Unorthodoxical-Princ // =51979 // #1979
Vennominaga // =3206 // #3206
WannaBuyAToaster // =3312 // #3312
Wazikamawata // =7103 // #7103
wolfyo // =277612 // #7612
xdxdxdxdxdxd // =46007 // #6007

I thought it was that simple, but I did run into some issues.

First of all, while Cameron Saunders's forum profile number, 217, matched the last 3 digits of his judge number, 0217, the same can't be said for $waggot, because while his forum profile number is 111, you would think his judge number would be 0111, but...

https://imgur.com/Nas4yyT
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You can see that no judge currently exists with a judge number ending in 111.

I had no idea why this was, until I went to his regular profile:

https://imgur.com/zgnbxwx
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He hasn't been online in years, so I'm guessing if a judge is inactive for too many months/years, their judge profile is automatically deleted?

Another judge with no existing judge number matching the last 4 digits of his forum profile number is Ants In The Pants. This user's forum profile number is 462584 so his judge number should be the last 4 digits of that, 2584, but once again...

https://imgur.com/UW7l1XY
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No such judge with the number 2584 exists. I looked at Ants In The Pants's profile again, and he too hasn't been online for quite some time. In this case, he hasn't been online in over 5 months.

So I figured judges do get deleted from the platform if they're inactive for too long, but then I looked at the profile of resource judge 4225, who has been inactivate for at least 6 whole months.

https://imgur.com/ZjUkQZo
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Since this judge number is 4225, I compared it to Asmodesu, the only judge whose forum profile number ended in those 4 numbers.

https://imgur.com/BRs1I6w
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As you can see, this judge has been inactive for at least 6 months, yet he's still thriving as a judge, meanwhile judges who have been inactive for much shorter times got deleted off the platform.

I'm not sure what this means. Did those deleted judges simply get fired from their duties, were they simply given "special" judge numbers that are unrelated to their forum profile numbers when they first got hired, or are their judge profiles simply hidden from the general public for some reason? Do completely inactive judges just never get fired/removed/deleted off the platform? If a new judge is ever hired, will his/her judge number have a change of replacing what should have been $waggot or Ants In The Pants's judge number, or will no possible judge ever exist with the same number as an old/deleted judge? If I ever become a judge myself, will my judge number be 8994, or will I be manually assigned a completely different judge number?

I don't know if/when these questions will be answers or if/how these mysteries will be solved, but for now, I think I can safely say that most judges' judge numbers will match, or at least closely match, their forum profile numbers, whether it's the last 3 digits or the last 4 digits. So if you need to identify a judge, you should check their forum profile number to see if it lines up with said judge's number.

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Post #2 by PENMASTER » Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:59 pm

somehow i read all of this damn you are fucking impressive with your computer shit dude
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Post #3 by Lil Oldman » Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:07 pm

By any chance have you ever played L.A. Noire?
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Post #4 by Genexwrecker » Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:20 pm

You are both correct and incorrect. That being said we do try to not openly say other judges numbers.
We use numbers so people dont spam us when we sre not in judge mode.
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Post #5 by KTeknis » Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:50 pm

For some reason I'm kinda glad that the method does not guarantee 100% success.
Why does this remind me of James Bond's Skyfall? Especially on the part where you listed the judges and their number?
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Post #6 by Christen57 » Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:58 am

Lil Oldman wrote:By any chance have you ever played L.A. Noire?


What is that?

Genexwrecker wrote:There is a are a few reasons your method does not always work.


Why is that?

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Post #7 by Lil Oldman » Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:54 am

Christen57 wrote:
Lil Oldman wrote:By any chance have you ever played L.A. Noire?


What is that?

Detective game. Really cool. Your post reminded me of a Police Investigation lol
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Post #8 by Genexwrecker » Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:04 am

Christen57 wrote:
Lil Oldman wrote:By any chance have you ever played L.A. Noire?


What is that?

Genexwrecker wrote:There is a are a few reasons your method does not always work.


Why is that?

1.) we can change the judge id
2.) not all judge accounts are associated with the user account
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Post #9 by Christen57 » Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:10 am

KTeknis wrote:For some reason I'm kinda glad that the method does not guarantee 100% success.
Why does this remind me of James Bond's Skyfall? Especially on the part where you listed the judges and their number?


Here's the thing. At the moment, I actually think my method does guarantee 100% success, just not in the way I thought it would.

Yes, it didn't work for those 2 specific judges I mentioned, but Xteven was kind enough to fill me in on why that may have been the case.

https://imgur.com/yjnJHH9
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Basically, judges can receive what's called a "demotion" where they technically still exist as "judges" in the system, but their judge profiles are temporarily hidden/disabled, which is why they didn't show up when I tried to search them. While a judge gets demoted, they also lose most if not all of their judge "powers" which is probably why a demoted judge won't have their name show up in green or something like other judges do.

This could also explain why duelingbook says they don't exist when I try to search for their profiles, because they really don't exist at this time. They've been demoted, meaning they're no longer technically "judges" on duelingbook until/unless their judge status, judge profiles, green colored names, and judge powers all get restored. I can't search for judge profiles that have been removed from existence until/unless they're brought back into existence.

I guess those specific judges received their demotion because they proved to be bad judges or something, and now need to earn back their judging privileges.

So yeah, I'm confident my method works, as long as the judge is an active judge and not an inactive/demoted one. So far, my method worked on every judge I saw online, and only failed for the judges who were inactive or never really saw online.

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Post #10 by Christen57 » Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:18 am

Genexwrecker wrote:
Christen57 wrote:
Lil Oldman wrote:By any chance have you ever played L.A. Noire?


What is that?

Genexwrecker wrote:There is a are a few reasons your method does not always work.


Why is that?

1.) we can change the judge id
2.) not all judge accounts are associated with the user account


Does changing the judge id also change the forum profile number? Also is there a record for judges who change their id?

I figured some of the "judges" on this platform would be either bots or shared by maybe multiple users. You have judges named:

  • DB Head Judge
  • Appeal Bot
  • Duelingbook Moderator
  • Main Menu Moderator

Also why would anyone need to spam you guys when you're not in judge mode? If they need help with a ruling they can always use this forum or something.

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Post #11 by Genexwrecker » Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:23 am

There are no bots.
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Post #12 by Wek » Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:19 am

Genexwrecker wrote:There are no bots.


May Appeal Bot smite you for your heresy! :o

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Post #13 by Wek » Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:52 am

Christen57 wrote:
So I figured judges do get deleted from the platform if they're inactive for too long, but then I looked at the profile of resource judge 4225, who has been inactivate for at least 6 whole months.

https://imgur.com/ZjUkQZo
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Since this judge number is 4225, I compared it to Asmodesu, the only judge whose forum profile number ended in those 4 numbers.

https://imgur.com/BRs1I6w
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As you can see, this judge has been inactive for at least 6 months, yet he's still thriving as a judge, meanwhile judges who have been inactive for much shorter times got deleted off the platform.


idk about you, but I'm not all that excited to demote the guy who's taken over 10,000 calls for inactivity. :D
Wouldn't be surprised if they do demote judges for not doing anything, but past activity should count for something

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Post #14 by Wek » Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:10 am

Christen57 wrote:
KTeknis wrote:For some reason I'm kinda glad that the method does not guarantee 100% success.
Why does this remind me of James Bond's Skyfall? Especially on the part where you listed the judges and their number?


Here's the thing. At the moment, I actually think my method does guarantee 100% success, just not in the way I thought it would.

Yes, it didn't work for those 2 specific judges I mentioned, but Xteven was kind enough to fill me in on why that may have been the case.

https://imgur.com/yjnJHH9
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Basically, judges can receive what's called a "demotion" where they technically still exist as "judges" in the system, but their judge profiles are temporarily hidden/disabled, which is why they didn't show up when I tried to search them. While a judge gets demoted, they also lose most if not all of their judge "powers" which is probably why a demoted judge won't have their name show up in green or something like other judges do.

This could also explain why duelingbook says they don't exist when I try to search for their profiles, because they really don't exist at this time. They've been demoted, meaning they're no longer technically "judges" on duelingbook until/unless their judge status, judge profiles, green colored names, and judge powers all get restored. I can't search for judge profiles that have been removed from existence until/unless they're brought back into existence.

I guess those specific judges received their demotion because they proved to be bad judges or something, and now need to earn back their judging privileges.

So yeah, I'm confident my method works, as long as the judge is an active judge and not an inactive/demoted one. So far, my method worked on every judge I saw online, and only failed for the judges who were inactive or never really saw online.


If they aren't judges, I don't see why they'd still be listed as judges anywhere. If you aren't a judge, you aren't a judge, you wouldn't want users getting confused about if you're still a judge or not. In case they come back? That should be a nonissue, they could already be made a judge without the need for that before, just do it again. Don't think they'd want to advertise a demotion list anywhere either.

Considering the other errors in the list you've posted for us so far besides the two you have mentioned, it's probably something else. You should have proofread that list first. A few of those names stand out as weird on sight. Main Menu Moderator // =726795 // #6795 seems a bit unlikely. I take a look to confirm, and no such number exists. Given the name, don't think they were demoted either.
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Post #15 by Genexwrecker » Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:10 am

Wek wrote:
Christen57 wrote:
So I figured judges do get deleted from the platform if they're inactive for too long, but then I looked at the profile of resource judge 4225, who has been inactivate for at least 6 whole months.

https://imgur.com/ZjUkQZo
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Since this judge number is 4225, I compared it to Asmodesu, the only judge whose forum profile number ended in those 4 numbers.

https://imgur.com/BRs1I6w
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As you can see, this judge has been inactive for at least 6 months, yet he's still thriving as a judge, meanwhile judges who have been inactive for much shorter times got deleted off the platform.


idk about you, but I'm not all that excited to demote the guy who's taken over 10,000 calls for inactivity. :D
Wouldn't be surprised if they do demote judges for not doing anything, but past activity should count for something

we have fired judges with 12000 calls taken so no nothing is out of bounds.
That judge in particular has special reasons they are completely inactive and still on the roster which I cannot disclose here. but generally inactivity = dimote.
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Post #16 by Wek » Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:20 am

Genexwrecker wrote:
Wek wrote:
Christen57 wrote:
So I figured judges do get deleted from the platform if they're inactive for too long, but then I looked at the profile of resource judge 4225, who has been inactivate for at least 6 whole months.

https://imgur.com/ZjUkQZo
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Since this judge number is 4225, I compared it to Asmodesu, the only judge whose forum profile number ended in those 4 numbers.

https://imgur.com/BRs1I6w
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As you can see, this judge has been inactive for at least 6 months, yet he's still thriving as a judge, meanwhile judges who have been inactive for much shorter times got deleted off the platform.


idk about you, but I'm not all that excited to demote the guy who's taken over 10,000 calls for inactivity. :D
Wouldn't be surprised if they do demote judges for not doing anything, but past activity should count for something

we have fired judges with 12000 calls taken so no nothing is out of bounds.


For inactivity? The guy's been off DB for over 6 months and still a judge. So unless your inactivity radar is even slower than that, probably not.

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Post #17 by Genexwrecker » Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:22 pm

Like I said their situation is special they have an exemption.
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Post #18 by Wek » Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:01 pm

Genexwrecker wrote:Like I said their situation is special they have an exemption.


You must have edited after I quoted and replied. That part wasn't in there before.

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Post #19 by Christen57 » Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:51 pm

Wek wrote:
Christen57 wrote:
KTeknis wrote:For some reason I'm kinda glad that the method does not guarantee 100% success.
Why does this remind me of James Bond's Skyfall? Especially on the part where you listed the judges and their number?


Here's the thing. At the moment, I actually think my method does guarantee 100% success, just not in the way I thought it would.

Yes, it didn't work for those 2 specific judges I mentioned, but Xteven was kind enough to fill me in on why that may have been the case.

https://imgur.com/yjnJHH9
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Basically, judges can receive what's called a "demotion" where they technically still exist as "judges" in the system, but their judge profiles are temporarily hidden/disabled, which is why they didn't show up when I tried to search them. While a judge gets demoted, they also lose most if not all of their judge "powers" which is probably why a demoted judge won't have their name show up in green or something like other judges do.

This could also explain why duelingbook says they don't exist when I try to search for their profiles, because they really don't exist at this time. They've been demoted, meaning they're no longer technically "judges" on duelingbook until/unless their judge status, judge profiles, green colored names, and judge powers all get restored. I can't search for judge profiles that have been removed from existence until/unless they're brought back into existence.

I guess those specific judges received their demotion because they proved to be bad judges or something, and now need to earn back their judging privileges.

So yeah, I'm confident my method works, as long as the judge is an active judge and not an inactive/demoted one. So far, my method worked on every judge I saw online, and only failed for the judges who were inactive or never really saw online.


If they aren't judges, I don't see why they'd still be listed as judges anywhere. If you aren't a judge, you aren't a judge, you wouldn't want users getting confused about if you're still a judge or not. In case they come back? That should be a nonissue, they could already be made a judge without the need for that before, just do it again. Don't think they'd want to advertise a demotion list anywhere either.

Considering the other errors in the list you've posted for us so far besides the two you have mentioned, it's probably something else. You should have proofread that list first. A few of those names stand out as weird on sight. Main Menu Moderator // =726795 // #6795 seems a bit unlikely. I take a look to confirm, and no such number exists. Given the name, don't think they were demoted either.


That's because Main Menu Moderator isn't actually a resource judge. They're just a regular user like the rest of us who happened to be granted judge powers/privileges normally reserved for actual resource judges.

Look at the login screen where it says you need at least 100 experience to become a resource judge by taking the judge exam.

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Now notice how Main Menu Moderator lacks that required amount of experience to be a resource judge.

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The same thing goes for Appeal Bot and Duelingbook Moderator.

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So obviously these users aren't going to have resource judge profiles, because they haven't become actual resources judges by passing the exam like everyone else and getting the required experience. They were simply granted judge powers/privileges which they use for purposes unrelated to resource judging. There not actual resources judges so they don't do what resource judges normally do such as answering judge calls. Their regular profiles themselves, Main Menu Moderator, Appeal Bot, and Duelingbook Moderator, are the only profiles they need. They don't need any additional profiles saying Resource Judge followed by a number because that isn't their role.

The user DB Head Judge also isn't a resource judge either since they didn't pass the resource judge exam and get the required experience. That user was also just given admin privileges, also on duelingbook, trying to visit their profile instead takes you to the profile of Admin Recruiting.

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This means their actual job isn't to be a judge but rather to recruit them, so they too wouldn't have or need a resource judge profile.

All these 4 users are listed as judges in the system, but only because they were granted special judge-like roles, not because they're actually resource judges who passed the exam like everyone else and got the required experience and answer judge calls.


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Genexwrecker wrote:
Wek wrote:
idk about you, but I'm not all that excited to demote the guy who's taken over 10,000 calls for inactivity. :D
Wouldn't be surprised if they do demote judges for not doing anything, but past activity should count for something

we have fired judges with 12000 calls taken so no nothing is out of bounds.


For inactivity? The guy's been off DB for over 6 months and still a judge. So unless your inactivity radar is even slower than that, probably not.


Genexwrecker wrote:Like I said their situation is special they have an exemption.


If I had to take a guess as to what this "situation" was I would say it's something similar to paid leave, where an employee is allowed to stop working for a certain amount of months so they can do something really important like take care of a family member without having to worry about getting fired from their job. I know someone who recently gave birth to a baby girl who said she's going to have to stop working for a few months so she can take care of her, and she gets to do that without fear of being fired from her job for inactivity.

Maybe this judge has a funeral to attend, a newborn/elder to care for, or some other very important thing he needs to do maybe in the government or something, that requires him to not be active on duelingbook.

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Post #20 by Genexwrecker » Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:40 pm

Those 4 are senior resource judge accounts. I was also made resource judge without the exp or exam.
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